To waste some time while we await March 11, 2018 5:00:00pm
Can anyone tell me why March 21, 2014 8:44:15pm is noteworthy in The Marquette Basketball Universe? Scoop Nation should know this one.
And as a bonus, after someone gets the right answer can anyone tell me why the answer is the answer (cause I don't know)?...you'll know what I mean when we get there.
No correct answer by 4p tomorrow, I will just give it up.
Buzz Williams goes to Va Tech
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Quote from: Lazar's Punk'd Headband on March 10, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
Buzz Williams goes to Va Tech
And yes, likely the reason for that answer.
End of thread!
Right answer and answer for right answer!
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I will never forget getting a call from someone at Auburn the day before who knew Buzz was getting the Auburn job if Pearl didn't take it. I was blindsided - the fact that an Auburn insider knew Buzz was leaving and I didn't. I was asked, "Why isn't your coach happy, he is getting a great salary."
I believe we are only successful long-term with Wojo on a long-term commitment. He is still young, but if he is chased out at some point then I believe we will always be a nice stepping stone position.
How about exactly one year before:
March 21, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
(add five seconds)
Quote from: auburnmarquette on March 10, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
I will never forget getting a call from someone at Auburn the day before who knew Buzz was getting the Auburn job if Pearl didn't take it. I was blindsided - the fact that an Auburn insider knew Buzz was leaving and I didn't. I was asked, "Why isn't your coach happy, he is getting a great salary."
I believe we are only successful long-term with Wojo on a long-term commitment. He is still young, but if he is chased out at some point then I believe we will always be a nice stepping stone position.
Pearl is dirty. Why would Buzz be on their list then?
EDIT: Buzz Williams seems a clean coach to me. He might push the envelope, but nothing beyond that. Pearl has been caught twice and under investigation earlier this year. Auburn has earned a reputation at times in various sports for going outside the rules, that doesn't make sense Coach Williams would be on their list.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 10, 2018, 12:48:57 PM
Pearl is dirty. Why would Buzz be on their list then?
Chico's and Ners were around back then right?
Quote from: Eldon on March 10, 2018, 12:31:38 PM
How about exactly one year before:
March 21, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
(add five seconds)
Miami game?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 10, 2018, 12:56:38 PM
Nope. It was The Miracle in Lexington.
That was my first thought but March 21st seemed late.
Well Rocky ruined the fun fast.
Quote from: auburnmarquette on March 10, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
I will never forget getting a call from someone at Auburn the day before who knew Buzz was getting the Auburn job if Pearl didn't take it. I was blindsided - the fact that an Auburn insider knew Buzz was leaving and I didn't. I was asked, "Why isn't your coach happy, he is getting a great salary."
I believe we are only successful long-term with Wojo on a long-term commitment. He is still young, but if he is chased out at some point then I believe we will always be a nice stepping stone position.
Wait, do you mean that coaches might not want to come to schools that give up on new coaches early?
Who've thunk it?
Spoiler alert: not anyone who wants Wojo gone now or after next year.
Day Buzz left and active day on Scoop.
This was one of the saddest days in MU BB history...Buzz leaving..you just wonder how different things might be for the program right now had the board not made the terrible decisions of hiring Larry Williams and Fr Pilarsz.
Quote from: muguru on March 10, 2018, 05:53:20 PM
This was one of the saddest days in MU BB history...Buzz leaving..you just wonder how different things might be for the program right now had the board not made the terrible decisions of hiring Larry Williams and Fr Pilarsz.
Or had Buzz behaved better.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 10, 2018, 12:56:38 PM
Nope. It was The Miracle in Lexington.
Just went back to watch the finish. Don't ever give up!
Quote from: #bansultan on March 10, 2018, 05:55:23 PM
Or had Buzz behaved better.
Stop...Had the previous administration still been here, Buzz would still be here..Buzz won games, and lots of them. Never did anything illegal. It was all on Larry and father Pilarsz. Period. Their legacy will always be that they killed MU BB and stopped it's momentum from becoming elite...I'm sure Larry is proud of that.
Guru
Hands down the closest the program was to being relevant on the national scene for several decades.
Quote from: muguru on March 10, 2018, 06:05:54 PM
Stop...Had the previous administration still been here, Buzz would still be here..Buzz won games, and lots of them. Never did anything illegal. It was all on Larry and father Pilarsz. Period. Their legacy will always be that they killed MU BB and stopped it's momentum from becoming elite...I'm sure Larry is proud of that.
Buzz's actions rightfully concerned the BOT. Hiring SP and LW were terrible overreactions that were eventually corrected.
And remember that Buzz left when Father Wild and Cords were in place.
Buzz wasn't some innocent victim in all of this.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 10, 2018, 06:14:48 PM
Buzz's actions rightfully concerned the BOT. Hiring SP and LW were terrible overreactions that were eventually corrected.
And remember that Buzz left when Father Wild and Cords were in place.
Buzz wasn't some innocent victim in all of this.
I will say it ONCE more....HE. WON. GAMES. Period, end of story. He was on the cusp of bringing this program back to where it belonged.
Quote from: muguru on March 10, 2018, 06:41:51 PM
I will say it ONCE more....HE. WON. GAMES. Period, end of story. He was on the cusp of bringing this program back to where it belonged.
His actions also caused Marquette to violate federal law.
Quote from: muguru on March 10, 2018, 06:05:54 PM
Stop...Had the previous administration still been here, Buzz would still be here..Buzz won games, and lots of them. Never did anything illegal. It was all on Larry and father Pilarsz. Period. Their legacy will always be that they killed MU BB and stopped it's momentum from becoming elite...I'm sure Larry is proud of that.
Probably my over active imagination but I always imagined that Buzz had a Ray Donovan type guy in the background making sure he and his guys didn't get in trouble.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 10, 2018, 06:52:12 PM
His actions also caused Marquette to violate federal law.
Obviously I have to keep repeating myself...HE WON GAMES! Period. the discussion ends there.
Quote from: muguru on March 10, 2018, 06:53:44 PM
Obviously I have to keep repeating myself...HE WON GAMES! Period. the discussion ends there.
So if he had a team full of felons and continually skirted NCAA rules, that would have been okay because HE WON GAMES?
BTW, he didn't WIN GAMES his last year here. The year we were predicted to win the Big East. The year we didn't even make the NIT. How's that for not meeting expectations?
Quote from: muguru on March 10, 2018, 06:53:44 PM
Obviously I have to keep repeating myself...HE WON GAMES! Period. the discussion ends there.
No it doesn't. Winning while causing your employer to violate federal law isn't acceptable.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 10, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
No it doesn't. Winning while causing your employer to violate federal law isn't acceptable.
+1
I love MU hoops, but winning does NOT justify violating the law.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 10, 2018, 05:55:23 PM
Or had Buzz behaved better.
Al McGuire of course was a Saint.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 07:42:45 PM
Al McGuire of course was a Saint.
Not exactly sure why that is relevant.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 07:42:45 PM
Al McGuire of course was a Saint.
No he wasn't. But I never heard allegations that he was violating the law to win games.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 10, 2018, 07:44:25 PM
Not exactly sure why that is relevant.
Maybe because for you self-righteous types, you'd understand people are fallible, and make mistakes at times.
But, if those mistakes are so egregious, don't as a university go trying to make a buck and market yourself off of the accomplishments of those same people.
Al McGuire gets pimped out by MU every chance they get. We sure like to tout Jimmy, Jae and Dwight being NBA players, yet the Pilarz, Williams., BOT - sure took issue with Buzz recruiting JUCO's.
Buzz acted like a father figure in that situation. Was it right? No, But, by and large he and his players repped the university quite well. Give the guy a break. He was a cash cow and lottery ticket for the university. Pretty sure basketball revenue is down substantially since he left.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 07:52:52 PM
Buzz acted like a father figure in that situation. Was it right? No, But, by and large he and his players repped the university quite well. Give the guy a break. He was a cash cow and lottery ticket for the university. Pretty sure basketball revenue is down substantially since he left.
One could say the same thing about Penn State and Joe Paterno.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 07:52:52 PM
Maybe because for you self-righteous types, you'd understand people are fallible, and make mistakes at times.
Well of course they do. I never wanted him fired. I just don't think he was some sort of victim of circumstance as guru implied.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 07:52:52 PM
But, if those mistakes are so egregious, don't as a university go trying to make a buck and market yourself off of the accomplishments of those same people.
Al McGuire gets pimped out by MU every chance they get. We sure like to tout Jimmy, Jae and Dwight being NBA players, yet the Pilarz, Williams., BOT - sure took issue with Buzz recruiting JUCO's.
The issue wasn't simply recruiting Jucos. It was Jucos who couldn't graduate within their eligibility. And of course you would celebrate them! They represented MU wonderfully when they were here!
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 07:52:52 PM
Buzz acted like a father figure in that situation. Was it right? No,
Interesting take for a guy who flat out said the alleged victim was lying when the allegations initially came out.
Plenty of the blame falls on Buzz. That said, Buzz holding them ransom for money probably cooked his goose more than the gray area stuff. He pushed the envelop with guys he recruited and demand for money and wore out his welcome. Sadly, he had us close to being something and I believe we would be a top 15 program if he was still here.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
Plenty of the blame falls on Buzz. That said, Buzz holding them ransom for money probably cooked his goose more than the gray area stuff. He pushed the envelop with guys he recruited and demand for money and wore out his welcome. Sadly, he had his close to being something and I believe we would be a top 15 program if he was still here.
This sounds right
Quote from: #bansultan on March 10, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
Well of course they do. I never wanted him fired. I just don't think he was some sort of victim of circumstance as guru implied.
The issue wasn't simply recruiting Jucos. It was Jucos who couldn't graduate within their eligibility. And of course you would celebrate them! They represented MU wonderfully when they were here!
Interesting take for a guy who flat out said the alleged victim was lying when the allegations initially came out.
What I said was there are two sides to every story. I believe in innocence until proven guilty. Believe he said/she said cases are gray, and particularly gray when the act in question began as consensual and at some point apparently turned non consensual. Neither you nor I ever heard the player's account of what happened.
The reality is that neither university nor MPD felt there was enough to merit any charges.
To rush to judgment and automatically convict the player in the court of public (message board) opinion seems wrong. And as for the woman scorned comment, there is a reason the very phrase exists. Perhaps you've never had a girl lose it, go totally crazy on you, but..I've had it happen and it's a brutal reality.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 10:01:00 PM
What I said was there are two sides to every story. I believe in innocence until proven guilty. Believe he said/she said cases are gray, and particularly gray when the act in question began as consensual and at some point apparently turned non consensual. Neither you nor I ever heard the player's account of what happened.
The reality is that neither university nor MPD felt there was enough to merit any charges.
To rush to judgment and automatically convict the player in the court of public (message board) opinion seems wrong. And as for the woman scorned comment, there is a reason the very phrase exists. Perhaps you've never had a girl lose it, go totally crazy on you, but..I've had it happen and it's a brutal reality.
Dis right here doesnt sound right.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2018, 06:08:58 PM
Guru
Hands down the closest the program was to being relevant on the national scene for several decades.
Are you suggesting we would be relevant for several decades, or first time in several decades? Al only lasted 13 years, and truth be told the 70's was the only real decade we were consistently relevant. Coach Williams is so hard to predict what he would be impossible to decipher what happens in the future.
Quote from: muguru on March 10, 2018, 05:53:20 PM
This was one of the saddest days in MU BB history...Buzz leaving..you just wonder how different things might be for the program right now had the board not made the terrible decisions of hiring Larry Williams and Fr Pilarsz.
Wasn't Williams a big reason for forming the new Big East in its current form and not allowing Georgetown to steamroll everyone else? Pulled Creighton into the conference, too? That's what I had heard.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 10, 2018, 11:15:12 PM
Wasn't Williams a big reason for forming the new Big East in its current form and not allowing Georgetown to steamroll everyone else? Pulled Creighton into the conference, too? That's what I had heard.
Larry Williams was arguably one of the biggest drivers of the new Big East.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 11, 2018, 12:21:22 AM
Larry Williams was arguably one of the biggest drivers of the new Big East.
And unarguably the biggest driver of getting Buzz to leave
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 10, 2018, 10:01:00 PM
What I said was there are two sides to every story. I believe in innocence until proven guilty. Believe he said/she said cases are gray, and particularly gray when the act in question began as consensual and at some point apparently turned non consensual. Neither you nor I ever heard the player's account of what happened.
That is NOT what you said. Let's turn the way-back machine to July 2011.
Quote from: NersEllenson on July 16, 2011, 10:03:54 AM
There is a song by the band Buck Cherry called: Crazy B$tch. The very cliche crazy b$tch exists for a reason. I've personally dealt with a couple of whack jobs, who though very hot, were very crazy and caused me plenty of drama....particularly after breaking up with them. Another cliche comes to mind: Hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned. And my 2 cents - this is exactly what happened here...
I remember starting a simple, innocuous thread that went to places I had no idea and got locked. Am I about to have a second?. Is there a record?
Quote from: #bansultan on March 11, 2018, 07:53:02 AM
That is NOT what you said. Let's turn the way-back machine to July 2011.
Ugh. What part of my previous post did you not read? And do you have bookmarks of every post I've made here, that you took offense to? Good Lord. Super sleuth. Or super psycho?
Quote from: MUBigDance on March 11, 2018, 08:31:32 AM
I remember starting a simple, innocuous thread that went to places I had no idea and got locked. Am I about to have a second?. Is there a record?
Just scoop things.
17-15
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 11, 2018, 08:53:34 AM
Ugh. What part of my previous post did you not read? And do you have bookmarks of every post I've made here, that you took offense to? Good Lord. Super sleuth. Or super psycho?
Nah. That particular post was just a particularly disgusting part of your history here. Easy to remember.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 11, 2018, 09:07:54 AM
Nah. That particular post was just a particularly disgusting part of your history here. Easy to remember.
Go read Brew's post above mine in that thread...But hey dude, keep being THAT GUY who is quick to convict and believes in guilt before innocence, without ever hearing the other side of a story. And keep being that creepy dude who archives posts for 7+ years to re-reference.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 11, 2018, 09:19:17 AM
Go read Brew's post above mine in that thread...But hey dude, keep being THAT GUY who is quick to convict and believes in guilt before innocence, without ever hearing the other side of a story. And keep being that creepy dude who archives posts for 7+ years to re-reference.
Gladly.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 11, 2018, 09:19:17 AM
Go read Brew's post above mine in that thread...But hey dude, keep being THAT GUY who is quick to convict and believes in guilt before innocence, without ever hearing the other side of a story. And keep being that creepy dude who archives posts for 7+ years to re-reference.
But can you dunk
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 12:47:05 AM
And unarguably the biggest driver of getting Buzz to leave
Well, I am arguing it.
Larry left well before Buzz, and Buzz was one of the driving forces behind Larry's resignation. If anything, that gave Buzz even more power (real or perceived) than he had before.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 11, 2018, 09:32:05 AM
Well, I am arguing it.
Larry left well before Buzz, and Buzz was one of the driving forces behind Larry's resignation. If anything, that gave Buzz even more power (real or perceived) than he had before.
Buzz won the battle but lost the war. Not a very good General, but he was good in the trenches.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 12:47:05 AM
And unarguably the biggest driver of getting Buzz to leave
Coach Williams is a nomad, he was likely leaving only a matter of when. He has never stayed long anywhere by his own history.
Larry Williams was already gone.
Al is gone, Hank, Rick, Crean, Buzz, Cords. There were years we overachieved with long runs, years we underachieved and bounced early. One play can swing your experience. We won by a bucket over seeds worse than ours, lost by a bucket to seeds worse than ours. That is the NCAA tournament.
Dwell on the past if you wish, make predictions about how things would have gone with absolutely no way to prove anything if it makes one feel better. Imagine for a minute if we don't beat Utah State by 1 point? Or don't beat Davidson? Or Butler? The fact is we did, but those games are decided by one basketball going through a hoop during a game. Not a shot a coach took, but players took or opposing players let in. Variables everywhere. When you break it down like that, that is how close to a razor's edge success and failure can be measured - one bucket over 40 minutes.
We play in a top 3 conference in the USA, have gone .500 the last three years and lose one player off this year's team. This team is ready to take the next step. I plan on embracing it.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 11, 2018, 09:32:05 AM
Well, I am arguing it.
Larry left well before Buzz, and Buzz was one of the driving forces behind Larry's resignation. If anything, that gave Buzz even more power (real or perceived) than he had before.
Yes, Larry left before Buzz, but Larry had also messed with Buzz's happy so much before he left, there was almost no way buzz could ever get back to feeling how he had...It's like someone that picks and picks and picks at you until you reach your breaking point...That stuff sticks with you and it's hard to forget.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 11, 2018, 08:59:16 AM
17-15
Yup, that 2014 season was arguably worse than Wojo's first season just based on expectations alone. Buzz quit halfway through the season, there's no denying that.
Quote from: ChitownHagans on March 11, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
Yup, that 2014 season was arguably worse than Wojo's first season just based on expectations alone. Buzz quit halfway through the season, there's no denying that.
I believe MU lost three straight OT games and had they won they won them all they would have made it or at least been close. I don't think he quit on the team but he had already mentally checked out and knew he was leaving.