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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
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The freshmen are going to have to play better today. Starters played a lot of minutes last night. If the bench is unable to provide quality minutes today, I worry that the starters will tire down the stretch.
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Fatigue generally becomes a bigger issue on the third day. All these kids ate in their late teens or early 20s, they should have more than enough in the tank. I would be worried about their conditioning if they couldn't play effectively two days in a row.
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We're going to need the bench guys to play smart enough to keep themselves in the game. Last night, they were all fouling machines. Harry had 3 fouls in 3 minutes. Greg had 4 fouls in 8 minutes. Villanova will be all over us if we get into that kind of foul trouble tonight.
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We're going to need the bench guys to play smart enough to keep themselves in the game. Last night, they were all fouling machines. Harry had 3 fouls in 3 minutes. Greg had 4 fouls in 8 minutes. Villanova will be all over us if we get into that kind of foul trouble tonight.
Hope like hell we get a different ref crew tonight.
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I'm expecting a lot of bad fouls.
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Fatigue generally becomes a bigger issue on the third day. All these kids ate in their late teens or early 20s, they should have more than enough in the tank. I would be worried about their conditioning if they couldn't play effectively two days in a row.
My guess is they also ate when they were in their early teens, so even more should be expected in the tank.
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Need something from Theo tonight. It’s been a little while
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Need something from Theo tonight. It’s been a little while
True. Cain was really good last night. Should have played more than 15, and spelled Sam a bit more. Have no idea why Wojo was so short with Cain's minutes - guy makes huge difference on defensive end. With Howard being off his game, Cain should have ate more of his minutes too.
Rowsey going 39 says as much as needs to be said as to his importance to this team. Didn't like him playing such heavy minutes, considering tonight, yet was a must win game last night.
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The health of Sam and Markus is more concerning than fatigue.
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'Nova's talent is more concerning to me. Very tough get if everyone is healthy and rested, and think this one could get away from the guys very early.
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True. Cain was really good last night. Should have played more than 15, and spelled Sam a bit more. Have no idea why Wojo was so short with Cain's minutes - guy makes huge difference on defensive end. With Howard being off his game, Cain should have ate more of his minutes too.
Rowsey going 39 says as much as needs to be said as to his importance to this team. Didn't like him playing such heavy minutes, considering tonight, yet was a must win game last night.
I don't know why we haven't hired you as the coach yet.
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I don't know why we haven't hired you as the coach yet.
Floorslapper is actually Stan, he needs a place to go to be the opposite of his cryptic twitter persona.
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Floorslapper is actually Stan, he needs a place to go to be the opposite of his cryptic twitter persona.
I think you're onto something here.
Also, I love that FloorSlapNers attempts to make Wojo look clueless by discussing minutes distribution, and then in the same post uses Rowsey's minutes as proof of his importance to this team. Solid logic.
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I don't know why we haven't hired you as the coach yet.
Just curious. Were you pleased with our performance last night? Did you feel Cain got adequate minutes commensurate with his performance?
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I am feeling a bit fatigued after last night. Drank a wee bit more than I planned. Thanks for your concern.
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The freshmen are going to have to play better today. Starters played a lot of minutes last night. If the bench is unable to provide quality minutes today, I worry that the starters will tire down the stretch.
Don't see it as a problem. Kemba did it for 5 straight and was just as good in the 5th game.
As kids we played every day for hours. These are young guys in great shape. I think it will only affect the bigs.
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I am feeling a bit fatigued after last night. Drank a wee bit more than I planned. Thanks for your concern.
Going with the hard stuff tonight.
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Just curious. Were you pleased with our performance last night? Did you feel Cain got adequate minutes commensurate with his performance?
I wasn't pleased. But Cain's minutes were fine.
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Just curious. Were you pleased with our performance last night? Did you feel Cain got adequate minutes commensurate with his performance?
Nope. Yep.
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I wasn't pleased. But Cain's minutes were fine.
Nope. Yep.
Fair enough. Glad we won of course, despite it being IMO unnecessarily ugly/close.
Regarding Cain, simply think he makes a HUGE difference on defensive end in all of M2M, zone, and defensive rebounding. He had, as I recall 3 deflections last night, two of which led to steals for teammates, and one steal of his own.
IMO he can be subbed in for any of Rowsey, Howard, Hauser, Sacar. Obviously we are always going to have one of Rowsey/Howard on the floor, BUT, don't see any reason he should be playing less than 20 on a team with our defensive and defensive rebounding challenges.
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Fair enough. Glad we won of course, despite it being IMO unnecessarily ugly/close.
Regarding Cain, simply think he makes a HUGE difference on defensive end in all of M2M, zone, and defensive rebounding. He had, as I recall 3 deflections last night, two of which led to steals for teammates, and one steal of his own.
IMO he can be subbed in for any of Rowsey, Howard, Hauser, Sacar. Obviously we are always going to have one of Rowsey/Howard on the floor, BUT, don't see any reason he should be playing less than 20 on a team with our defensive and defensive rebounding challenges.
His length is a positive for sure, especially with our short guards. He still looks kind of clumsy out there at times and gets beat off the dribble, commits silly fouls, and (especially) travels because he is moving too quickly.
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His length is a positive for sure, especially with our short guards. He still looks kind of clumsy out there at times and gets beat off the dribble, commits silly fouls, and (especially) travels because he is moving too quickly.
Feel Jamal's gotten called for some really, really, tick tack fouls for sure. Generally seems to stay in front of his man. Last night Heldt got in his way on a high ball screen and essentially blocked Jamal into a trailing position.
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Jamal Cain ppp allowed: 0.96 (24th percentile)....7th on the team.
I love Jamal but I'm not sure he's a HUGE difference maker on defense. He is disruptive with his length but his on ball defense leaves a lot to be desired
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Jamal Cain ppp allowed: 0.96 (24th percentile)....7th on the team.
I love Jamal but I'm not sure he's a HUGE difference maker on defense. He is disruptive with his length but his on ball defense leaves a lot to be desired
Get outta here with your facts.
Especially that fact. Need to give Cain a full game on the court, or at least run him exclusively for a half, before we can determine his worth.
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Sam looks fatigued.
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Sam looks fatigued.
Or hampered by injury.
But I don't want to be accused of setting-up excuses.
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Jamal Cain ppp allowed: 0.96 (24th percentile)....7th on the team.
I love Jamal but I'm not sure he's a HUGE difference maker on defense. He is disruptive with his length but his on ball defense leaves a lot to be desired
Well. Eye test says differently. Can you link where you are getting your data?
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Well. Eye test says differently. Can you link where you are getting your data?
"Eye test" when it works in your narrative. Got it.
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Well. Eye test says differently. Can you link where you are getting your data?
It matches what my eye test says. All data from Synergy.
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Per Ners request:
Sam Hauser: .844 (57th percentile)
Greg Elliott: .859 (52nd percentile)
Harry Froling: .873 (48th percentile)...small sample size doe
Markus Howard: .913 (35th percentile)
Sacar Anim: .930 (30th percentile)
Matt Heldt: .945 (27th percentile)
Jamal Cain: .960 (24th percentile)
Theo John: 1.018 (14th percentile)
Andrew Rowsey: 1.062 (9th percentile) :o
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Per Ners request:
Sam Hauser: .844 (57th percentile)
Greg Elliott: .859 (52nd percentile)
Harry Froling: .873 (48th percentile)...small sample size doe
Markus Howard: .913 (35th percentile)
Sacar Anim: .930 (30th percentile)
Matt Heldt: .945 (27th percentile)
Jamal Cain: .960 (24th percentile)
Theo John: 1.018 (14th percentile)
Andrew Rowsey: 1.062 (9th percentile) :o
Thank you. The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.
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Thank you. The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.
Discounting Synergy now?
Only things that support your narrative. Predictable.
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Discounting Synergy now?
Only things that support your narrative. Predictable.
And if nothing supports his narrative? “Eye test.”
At least he hasn’t called him Lebron Cain yet so I guess that’s progress.
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Thank you. The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.
Ah dismiss the data when you don't agree with it, classic.
But yes, ppp allowed is not the end all be all stat, no stat is (though eFG% is close). I was surprised by both Harry and Markus as well. Harry is the result of a small sample size. I think Marcus is the result of being repeatedly tasked with guarding inferior offensive players....or maybe my eye test is wrong on him.
The rest is pretty much what I expected.
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Sam looks fatigued.
Looked fatigued both games. Go rest, young man.
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Well, that sucked.
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Looked fatigued both games. Go rest, young man.
The kid always seems to have a tough assignment. Hopefully next year Joey, Cain and Morrow can help him out on defense to give him a bit of a break.
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Ah dismiss the data when you don't agree with it, classic.
But yes, ppp allowed is not the end all be all stat, no stat is (though eFG% is close). I was surprised by both Harry and Markus as well. Harry is the result of a small sample size. I think Marcus is the result of being repeatedly tasked with guarding inferior offensive players....or maybe my eye test is wrong on him.
The rest is pretty much what I expected.
This and the opposite for Sacar
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This and the opposite for Sacar
LOL.
So what's the logic on Froling having a markedly better D-Rating than Heldt?
Don't care who Markus Howard is guarding (granted it is usually the other team's shooting guard), he sure as hell aint the 3rd best defender on this team, nor is Harry Froling the 4th best.
Just shows that Synergy is not by any means the end all be all for measuring player's impact.
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Thank you. The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.
That your eye test sucks?
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LOL.
So what's the logic on Froling having a markedly better D-Rating than Heldt?
Don't care who Markus Howard is guarding (granted it is usually the other team's shooting guard), he sure as hell aint the 3rd best defender on this team, nor is Harry Froling the 4th best.
Just shows that Synergy is not by any means the end all be all for measuring player's impact.
Sigh. A few corrections:
It's not d-rating, it's ppp allowed
Harry is 3rd, Markus is 4th.
Harry's sample size is half the size of any player due to coming in midseason and playing few minutes
No one said that Harry is the 3rd best defender or Markus is the 4th. They are 3rd and 4th in ppp allowed, this is a fact
Ppp allowed is not the end all be all stat. No stat is. But it is generally regarded as the best indicator of individual on ball defense.
Synergy is not a stat. It's a service that collects advanced stats. I have no reason to believe that it lies
Now having said all that, Cain is a better defender than both Markus and Froling IMHO. PPP allowed doesn't tell you everything and is affected by the quality of players that individuals are tasked with guarding. I'd put him as 5th best defender on the team behind Sam, Greg, Sacar and Matt. He has great length and gets deflections but his on ball defense leaves a lot to be desired and he has a tendency to get lost. I'm excited to see what he can develop into as he gets more experience. I was just challenging that he is HUGE defensive difference maker.