Hoping for the best and would love another crack at Villanova, but realize that this team with it's youth and makeup could win or lose on any given night.
Who's head WONT explode if we lose tonight.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 07, 2018, 08:38:00 AM
Hoping for the best and would love another crack at Villanova, but realize that this team with it's youth and makeup could win or lose on any given night.
Honestly, you'd be on the top of my list.
Quote from: 4everCrean on March 07, 2018, 08:45:02 AM
Honestly, you'd be on the top of my list.
Yep close call between guru and him
We got this.
If we lose to DePaul, with a lot hanging on us winning some conference tourney games, likely some heads will explode. But what really should explode would be Wojo's butt from the blistering volcano attached to it with all that heat. Losing to DePaul twice in one year should be plenty of kindling to turn up the heat there. Having said that, we should fully expect a victory against the doormat of the BEast.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2018, 08:51:19 AM
If we lose to DePaul, with a lot hanging on us winning some conference tourney games, likely some heads will explode. But what really should explode would be Wojo's butt from the blistering volcano attached to it with all that heat. Losing to DePaul twice in one year should be plenty of kindling to turn up the heat there. Having said that, we should fully expect a victory against the doormat of the BEast.
Zero heat on Wojo even if they lose tonight.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2018, 08:51:19 AM
If we lose to DePaul, with a lot hanging on us winning some conference tourney games, likely some heads will explode. But what really should explode would be Wojo's butt from the blistering volcano attached to it with all that heat. Losing to DePaul twice in one year should be plenty of kindling to turn up the heat there. Having said that, we should fully expect a victory against the doormat of the BEast.
Me! My head will explode!
Edited for time and content.
Well, I for one would be sad.
If we lose to DePaul.
Can we have some other reason for Willie and Sand Knit's heads to explode? Not so sad about that.
If we lose to DePaul for the second time in 2 1/2 weeks with this loss eliminating us from any hopes of a tourney bid, Wojo's seat will be warmer than it was at the beginning of the season. Idc what anyone says.
It would suck for sure but other than the DePaul debacle the team has played very well down the stretch. Hoping it continues.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 07, 2018, 08:38:00 AM
Hoping for the best and would love another crack at Villanova, but realize that this team with it's youth and makeup could win or lose on any given night.
The "youth, inexperience" excuse again. The freshmen have played 30 games.....That excuse is over for next few years.
MU stays out of foul trouble, Depaul will be headed home very soon.
Three straight, baby!
I'd have to say MU "you should never lose to DePaul ever!" GURU.
Quote from: We R Hagans to MU on March 07, 2018, 09:07:10 AM
I'd have to say MU "you should never lose to DePaul ever!" GURU.
+1000...as far as heads exploding..it damn well better be everyone's. "Show me someone that handles losing well..and I'll show you a loser".-Cam Newton. Amen Cam, Amen
Whose. *Whose* dumb head is going to explode.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 09:12:41 AM
+1000...as far as heads exploding..it damn well better be everyone's. "Show me someone that handles losing well..and I'll show you a loser".-Cam Newton. Amen Cam, Amen
I'm not playing though. I mean, I get having that attitude if I am playing. But as a fan, I just don't get all worked up about it.
In the grand scheme of things, having my team lose a basketball game isn't really high on the list of things I get angry about. Sports should only bring me joy. If it doesn't, it's not worth it. I have too many other things that get me frustrated and angry.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 07, 2018, 09:12:50 AM
Whose. *Whose* dumb head is going to explode.
+1.
And we're not going to lose to DePaul tonight. We got this.
1. I will not worry about Wojo, the fate of the program or anything like that, but I will worry about guru. The boy has absolutely nothing else in his life. Nothing. If the game is close, cops everywhere should start scanning every window ledge for guru.
2. We got this.
Mine won't explode. I've come to accept that this team can be maddeningly frustrating. If we end up in the NIT, I'm okay with it, though it's definitely not my preference.
Losing to DePaul twice is embarrassing, no doubt. But our tourney chances really rest on beating Nova tomorrow night. If we don't, it will be hard to have a legitimate complaint about missing the field this year. Didn't do enough in the regular season.
DePaul Really Bad
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Quote from: #bansultan on March 07, 2018, 08:53:55 AM
Zero heat on Wojo even if they lose tonight.
Disagree. on a scale of 1-10, you're a 1 and muguru is a 10.
Two losses to Depaul with a healthy team, gets Wojo a 2 on the heat index. Eye brows raised.
Next year may be more of a make or break.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2018, 09:39:36 AM
Mine won't explode. I've come to accept that this team coachcan be maddeningly frustrating.
Fixed. Let's hope Wojo realizes he needs some shred of defense to win games, and not just an elite offense. Hope to see a lot of Jamal Cain tonight. So long as we don't allow DePaul another 32 FT attempts tonight, we should win.
Losing two games to DePaul in the last 10 days of the season, that would effectively eliminate our NCAA tourney hopes - that would be hard to swallow.
It's MU in the conference tournament. I never expect them to actually show up.
My head won't explode, though I do expect a (laborious) win against DePaul, before getting destroyed by Nova.
Quote from: chapman on March 07, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
It's MU in the conference tournament. I never expect them to actually show up.
My head won't explode, though I do expect a (laborious) win against DePaul, before getting destroyed by Nova.
Very good point. We are historically terrible in the BEAST tourney.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 09:12:41 AM
"Show me someone that handles losing well..and I'll show you a loser".-Cam Newton. Amen Cam, Amen
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Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 07, 2018, 09:54:08 AM
Very good point. We are historically terrible in the BEAST tourney.
It's the Baby Blues.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 07, 2018, 09:51:55 AM
Two losses to Depaul with a healthy team, gets Wojo a 2 on the heat index. Eye brows raised.
Next year may be more of a make or break.
Losing 2 to Depaul would definitely raise more than a few eyebrows, although I think the odds of that happening are very, very low. Have we ever dropped 2 to Depaul in one year?
Quote from: 4everCrean on March 07, 2018, 08:45:02 AM
Honestly, you'd be on the top of my list.
He's my favorite, going away.
Wojo should absolutely have plenty of heat on him if we lose tonight. Plane and simple the guy would not be getting the job. He should have heat on him before tip tonight anyway. We've been soft and inconsistent, so many f*cking excuses. As Woj said the other night, its a privilege to have pressure. He's got plenty of it.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 10:09:46 AM
Wojo should absolutely have plenty of heat on him if we lose tonight. Plane and simple the guy would not be getting the job. He should have heat on him before tip tonight anyway. We've been soft and inconsistent, so many f*cking excuses. As Woj said the other night, its a privilege to have pressure. He's got plenty of it.
He won't. (And "raising eyebrows" isn't really heat.) Your ranting doesn't change that.
Quote from: KampusFoods on March 07, 2018, 09:44:15 AM
Losing to DePaul twice is embarrassing, no doubt. But our tourney chances really rest on beating Nova tomorrow night. If we don't, it will be hard to have a legitimate complaint about missing the field this year. Didn't do enough in the regular season.
Though I tend to agree, and for some reason have a good feeling about MU winning that game...I wonder what MU's fate would be with a win over DUHPaul, and say Syracuse, Alabama, Louisville, Notre Dame, USC and UCLA all losing their first games would do for their chances?? I still don't think Providence is safe(or that they should be), and I don't see Butler's resume as being tourney worthy either(except for one win vs Nova).
My head never explodes. Cried all the time when my team lost when I was a kid. Grew up.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 10:19:18 AM
Though I tend to agree, and for some reason have a good feeling about MU winning that game...I wonder what MU's fate would be with a win over DUHPaul, and say Syracuse, Alabama, Louisville, Notre Dame, USC and UCLA all losing their first games would do for their chances?? I still don't think Providence is safe(or that they should be), and I don't see Butler's resume as being tourney worthy either(except for one win vs Nova).
I don't think Syracuse, Alabama, Louisville, Notre Dame, USC and UCLA all losing early is necessary for MU to get a bid at 1-1.
For all we know, MU will be a 9 or a 10 seed in the the committees first cut this afternoon and a win over Depaul and a loss to Nova isn't going to bump them out.
Let me repeat - beating Villanova is not necessary to get a bid. However, it would ensure a bid.
Quote from: MU82 on March 07, 2018, 09:31:57 AM
1. I will not worry about Wojo, the fate of the program or anything like that, but I will worry about guru. The boy has absolutely nothing else in his life. Nothing. If the game is close, cops everywhere should start scanning every window ledge for guru.
2. We got this.
First of all, I appreciate your concern...second(and most of all), I am NOT a boy, in fact I'd venture to guess older than a vast majority here or at least in the same age range. Third, I have other things, but I PURPOSELY eliminated the things that cause drama, or stress..It's a great feeling knowing you can have a clear mind, not have the everyday worries most do, and pour your heart and soul into sports, especially MU basketball. :) That's living right.
Quote from: 4everCrean on March 07, 2018, 08:45:02 AM
Honestly, you'd be on the top of my list.
Pretty ignorant, i was rightfully upset after the Providence game. Only game i was upset with this entire year.
At this point, nothing would completely surprise. Could lose tonight or upset 'nova tomorrow and I would not be shocked. That said, I am expecting win tonight and double digit loss tomorrow. Hope I am right tonight and wrong tomorrow.
The question is not whose head will explode, but rather, how far from the blast site does the detritus of guru's, wee willie's, etc. brains end up.
I'm willing to bet two bits that it is more than 1 mile.
Quote from: Goose on March 07, 2018, 10:32:54 AM
At this point, nothing would completely surprise. Could lose tonight or upset 'nova tomorrow and I would not be shocked. That said, I am expecting win tonight and double digit loss tomorrow. Hope I am right tonight and wrong tomorrow.
Couldn't have stated it any better. This team defines inconsistency. A win against Nova might be even more amazing than a year ago.
Ziggy
I'll pass on that bet. Those two would not take loss well.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 07, 2018, 09:51:55 AM
Disagree. on a scale of 1-10, you're a 1 and muguru is a 10.
Two losses to Depaul with a healthy team, gets Wojo a 2 on the heat index. Eye brows raised.
Next year may be more of a make or break.
Agreed. The heat doesn't just immediately jump from 0% to 90+%. There are more levels.
There is a 0% chance he would lose his job if we lost tonight (which is the way it should be). But a 0% hot seat means he could totally miss next year's tourney and be safe. Which I don't buy.
I was at the Depaul game and anyone that can recall or wants to look it up, i said we lost to a bigger stronger more athletic more experienced team on the road
I don't understand all this inconsistency talk. Our defense has been pretty consistently bad all year, and our O has only failed to hit 70 in 3 games, Wichita State, Georgia, and @Depaul. Now I wouldn't bet the farm on a W tonight because of our record in the BET over the last decade, but I feel fairly comfortable about the team getting it done tonight. For as young as we are, and our "live by the 3, die by the 3" mentality, we've been far more consistent that I anticipated coming into the year.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 07, 2018, 10:46:57 AM
I was at the Depaul game and anyone that can recall or wants to look it up, i said we lost to a bigger stronger more athletic more experienced team on the road
How many P6 teams are smaller, weaker, less athletic, and less experienced than us. Your statement is true, but could be said about every other team in the conference as well.
Losing to Nova doesn't mean we're done for, winning against Nova guarantees us into the tournament. Meanwhile losing to Depaul basically opens the Al Mcguire ticket center.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 10:28:53 AM
First of all, I appreciate your concern...second(and most of all), I am NOT a boy, in fact I'd venture to guess older than a vast majority here or at least in the same age range. Third, I have other things, but I PURPOSELY eliminated the things that cause drama, or stress..It's a great feeling knowing you can have a clear mind, not have the everyday worries most do, and pour your heart and soul into sports, especially MU basketball. :) That's living right.
You know what, old man (is that better?), this is the most uplifting post I can remember from you, and it gives me hope!
If I were your shrink, I'd still say you need more in life than Warriors hoops, but I like the positive energy here.
We got this!
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 10:49:37 AM
I don't understand all this inconsistency talk. Our defense has been pretty consistently bad all year, and our O has only failed to hit 70 in 3 games, Wichita State, Georgia, and @Depaul. Now I wouldn't bet the farm on a W tonight because of our record in the BET over the last decade, but I feel fairly comfortable about the team getting it done tonight. For as young as we are, and our "live by the 3, die by the 3" mentality, we've been far more consistent that I anticipated coming into the year.
This is a great point. Too many people use "consistent" as a synonym for
good and "inconsistent" as a synonym for
bad.
I'd argue (as you did) that we've been one of the most consistent teams in the country.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2018, 10:21:28 AM
My head never explodes. Cried all the time when my team lost when I was a kid. Grew up.
Ditto ... although I will admit that I did shed a tear when my daughter's HS team lost its last game because it was the "end of an era" for our family. But that's more about me being an old softy!
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Quote from: #bansultan on March 07, 2018, 10:12:01 AM
He won't. (And "raising eyebrows" isn't really heat.) Your ranting doesn't change that.
Ranting? This is big business. We are a highly funded program. I dont know why people are accepting mediocre. Accept the facts, we are underwhelming and Wojo hasnt gotten the job done in the last 4 years. Nothing but excuses, but he doesnt make excuses. In any other profession he would be gone. This isnt a rant, its realistically looking at goals that have not been met.
Don't be a p*ssy. Wojo needs a fire lit under his ass. Diamonds are made from pressure.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 11:22:22 AM
Ranting? This is big business. We are a highly funded program. I dont know why people are accepting mediocre. Accept the facts, we are underwhelming and Wojo hasnt gotten the job done in the last 4 years. Nothing but excuses, but he doesnt make excuses. In any other profession he would be gone. This isnt a rant, its realistically looking at goals that have not been met.
Don't be a p*ssy. Wojo needs a fire lit under his ass. Diamonds are made from pressure.
No he wouldn't be gone in any other profession.
While I obviously would prefer to make the big tournament, it wouldn't be awful getting the young guys some post season experience in the NIT. Hopefully with a high seed, they could make a deep run.
WOJO's......
Just like the Kingsman movie......
And it should if we lose.....
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 11:22:22 AM
Ranting? This is big business. We are a highly funded program. I dont know why people are accepting mediocre. Accept the facts, we are underwhelming and Wojo hasnt gotten the job done in the last 4 years. Nothing but excuses, but he doesnt make excuses. In any other profession he would be gone. This isnt a rant, its realistically looking at goals that have not been met.
Don't be a p*ssy. Wojo needs a fire lit under his ass. Diamonds are made from pressure.
looks like we need to change the thread title to "whose head explodes if we talk about whose head will explode if we lose to Depaul tonight?"
I've said it before....MU hoops is a roller-coaster this year so losing to Depaul is possible. If they do, just close your eyes and scream!
BUT, we will win! I predict ahead of us another climb before our final descent for the year.
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Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 11:22:22 AM
Ranting? This is big business. We are a highly funded program. I dont know why people are accepting mediocre. Accept the facts, we are underwhelming and Wojo hasnt gotten the job done in the last 4 years. Nothing but excuses, but he doesnt make excuses. In any other profession he would be gone. This isnt a rant, its realistically looking at goals that have not been met.
Don't be a p*ssy. Wojo needs a fire lit under his ass. Diamonds are made from pressure.
For a short post, I'm impressed with how many dopey points you try to make. Well done!
My one overriding question for you: How are you personally going to show that you are not "accepting mediocre"? What is BobWild's personal "or else"?
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 10:28:53 AM
First of all, I appreciate your concern...second(and most of all), I am NOT a boy, in fact I'd venture to guess older than a vast majority here or at least in the same age range. Third, I have other things, but I PURPOSELY eliminated the things that cause drama, or stress..It's a great feeling knowing you can have a clear mind, not have the everyday worries most do, and pour your heart and soul into sports, especially MU basketball. :) That's living right.
Tying any piece of your emotional well being to a sport which A) you have no control over whatsoever and B) has no tangible impact on you or your loved ones doesn't meet my definition of living right. At all.
Quote from: MU82 on March 07, 2018, 11:52:19 AM
For a short post, I'm impressed with how many dopey points you try to make. Well done!
My one overriding question for you: How are you personally going to show that you are not "accepting mediocre"? What is BobWild's personal "or else"?
For the record, Bob Wild loves Wojo. And I am sure he will love Wojo on Thursday morning no matter what happens tonight.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 10:49:37 AM
I don't understand all this inconsistency talk. Our defense has been pretty consistently bad all year, and our O has only failed to hit 70 in 3 games, Wichita State, Georgia, and @Depaul. Now I wouldn't bet the farm on a W tonight because of our record in the BET over the last decade, but I feel fairly comfortable about the team getting it done tonight. For as young as we are, and our "live by the 3, die by the 3" mentality, we've been far more consistent that I anticipated coming into the year.
I think 70 is too low of a bar for us, though. We've given up 78 points per game this year with an average 81.4 in conference. Our offensive bar is more like 80. We've only won 3 games this year while scoring fewer than 80 points. We have yet to win a game scoring under 70.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 07, 2018, 12:01:24 PM
For the record, Bob Wild loves Wojo. And I am sure he will love Wojo on Thursday morning no matter what happens tonight.
If true, chickadee, he has a unique way of showing it.
You love glow. Have you ever accused him of being an "underwhelming" failure?
In any other marriage, he'd be gone!
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 10:51:58 AM
How many P6 teams are smaller, weaker, less athletic, and less experienced than us. Your statement is true, but could be said about every other team in the conference as well.
Road being the biggest issue and i disagree how many other 6'7" point guards did Rowsey guard this year. Cain really killed us, their overall size hurt us prolly more in that game than most others. Xavier n butlers size caused issues but have to think theresultant rebounding issues in the Depaul game were the worst of the season.
Now similar to the Creighton game, if we shoot the lights out size, experience etc go out the window.
Old experienced chanpionship winning teams can win even when they dont shoot well, we are not there.
Quote from: chapman on March 07, 2018, 09:52:39 AM
It's MU in the conference tournament. I never expect them to actually show up.
My head won't explode, though I do expect a (laborious) win against DePaul, before getting destroyed by Nova.
This. Waiting for the year where we actually exceed expectations in NY
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2018, 10:21:28 AM
My head never explodes. Cried all the time when my team lost when I was a kid. Grew up.
This.
I watch every game I can, often rearranging my life to make sure I can. I travel to as many NCAA Tournament games as possible. I love and celebrate when we win. I wear my blue and gold with pride. When we lose, I used to cry. Now I remember it's just a game, and my life moves on. I'm sad to be sure, but I don't rant or cry like I used to when I was a kid.
Oh, and by the way...we got this.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 12:02:23 PM
I think 70 is too low of a bar for us, though. We've given up 78 points per game this year with an average 81.4 in conference. Our offensive bar is more like 80. We've only won 3 games this year while scoring fewer than 80 points. We have yet to win a game scoring under 70.
Where our bar should be is open for debate, my point was that given the style of play that we implement, we've been far more consistent than I though we'd be.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 07, 2018, 12:05:51 PM
Road being the biggest issue and i disagree how many other 6'7" point guards did Rowsey guard this year. Cain really killed us, their overall size hurt us prolly more in tgat fame than most others. Xavier n butlers size caused issues but have to think te resultant rebounding issues in the Depaul game were the wirst of the season.
Now similar to the Creighton game, if we shoot the lights out size, experience etc go out tge window.
Old experienced chanpionship winning teams can win even when they dont shoot well, we are not there.
I agree with your original point, however it is a very general one that proves true for most teams we play. We are a small young team, I don't think anyone would dispute that.
Quote from: MU82 on March 07, 2018, 11:52:19 AM
For a short post, I'm impressed with how many dopey points you try to make. Well done!
My one overriding question for you: How are you personally going to show that you are not "accepting mediocre"? What is BobWild's personal "or else"?
I am voicing my opinion to people who accept the mediocre. Wojo has been underwhelming and deserves the criticism.
Bob Wild hates Wojo, haven't seen him at a game recently. He's pissed.
Wojo smokes dope MU82. Face it. The guy is stoned. Not staying in the zone, inconsistent level of play, losing players. He's forgetful. Your wise guy loose tie attitude isnt accepted around here.
I also saw your post saying he'd be gone in any other marriage. I hope so, I like my spouse to be reliable and consistent. You on the other hand must let yours suck....
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 12:15:40 PM
I am voicing my opinion to people who accept the mediocre. Wojo has been underwhelming and deserves the criticism.
Bob Wild hates Wojo, haven't seen him at a game recently. He's pissed.
Wojo smokes dope MU82. Face it. The guy is stoned. Not staying in the zone, inconsistent level of play, losing players. He's forgetful. Your wise guy loose tie attitude isnt accepted around here.
I also saw your post saying he'd be gone in any other marriage. I hope so, I like my spouse to be reliable and consistent. You on the other hand must let yours suck....
Just curious, what were your expectations this year?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
I agree with your original point, however it is a very general one that proves true for most teams we play. We are a small young team, I don't think anyone would dispute that.
Yep and getting back to the original point. Thats why my head wouldnt explode and that the only real game that really pissed me off this year was Providence. I was really disappointed in the coaches n players that day, Georgia game maybe too. Bith games i thought we were mentally soft.
nh?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 12:08:04 PM
Where our bar should be is open for debate, my point was that given the style of play that we implement, we've been far more consistent than I though we'd be.
Given how reliant we are on the 3 and that we don't score a ton of points in the paint, I would agree with you that we're more consistent on offense than I would expect for our style of play. In general, you would expect to have more off shooting nights than we've had this year.
Some quick math I just did shows a std. dev of 9.4 for us in points scored per game and a std. dev of 12.2 in points allowed so far this year. Those figures both drop in conference play to 8.7 and 12, respectively. At some point after the season's over, it would be interesting to look into a little more into our scoring and FG% fluctuations compared to our conference and other Div 1 teams. Someone more adept with statistics could probably do this math and interpret this better than me, but I'm curious to see what is typical for scoring/defense consistency and how we compare.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 12:32:31 PM
Given how reliant we are on the 3 and that we don't score a ton of points in the paint, I would agree with you that we're more consistent on offense than I would expect for our style of play. In general, you would expect to have more off shooting nights than we've had this year.
Some quick math I just did shows a std. dev of 9.4 for us in points scored per game and a std. dev of 12.2 in points allowed so far this year. Those figures both drop in conference play to 8.7 and 12, respectively. At some point after the season's over, it would be interesting to look into a little more into our scoring and FG% fluctuations compared to our conference and other Div 1 teams. Someone more adept with statistics could probably do this math and interpret this better than me, but I'm curious to see what is typical for scoring/defense consistency and how we compare.
Sounds too complicated for me. I just know that we give up a lot of points, and score a lot of points. Hopefully we can score more than we give up for the next two+ days.
I'm very curious to see if Harry plays and if so what type of impact he has. I still believe he might have been the difference in our loss vs DePaul
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 11:22:22 AM
Ranting? This is big business. We are a highly funded program. I dont know why people are accepting mediocre. Accept the facts, we are underwhelming and Wojo hasnt gotten the job done in the last 4 years. Nothing but excuses, but he doesnt make excuses. In any other profession he would be gone. This isnt a rant, its realistically looking at goals that have not been met.
Don't be a p*ssy. Wojo needs a fire lit under his ass. Diamonds are made from pressure.
Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them. I don't know of anyone who would be fired for meeting their annual expectations every year....I think its actually funny that a college basketball coach is being held up as the pinnacle of job stability.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 07, 2018, 09:03:38 AM
If we lose to DePaul for the second time in 2 1/2 weeks with this loss eliminating us from any hopes of a tourney bid, Wojo's seat will be warmer than it was at the beginning of the season. Idc what anyone says.
But wait, sultan spoke otherwise. And he believes he is the guru of MU basketball.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 01:04:50 PM
Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them. I don't know of anyone who would be fired for meeting their annual expectations every year....I think its actually funny that a college basketball coach is being held up as the pinnacle of job stability.
He may have met expectations each year as looked at from the beginning of each season. But I'm not sure he has met expectations for Season 4 compared to what might have been expected when he was hired, even recognizing that he was starting with a bare cupboard.
The expectations (and demands) should be going up pretty significantly next year. One more year of being on the bubble or worse and his seat will definitely be warm.
Quote from: wisblue on March 07, 2018, 01:45:38 PM
He may have met expectations each year as looked at from the beginning of each season. But I'm not sure he has met expectations for Season 4 compared to what might have been expected when he was hired, even recognizing that he was starting with a bare cupboard.
The expectations (and demands) should be going up pretty significantly next year. One more year of being on the bubble or worse and his seat will definitely be warm.
Drink
Harry had a great first game against DePaul when we dominated. I am hoping he gets to play tonight and that our Trio is hot on 3s tonight. We should win this one. We will. We are Marquette.
Go Marquette!!
Quote from: KampusFoods on March 07, 2018, 01:46:18 PM
Drink
Yes! +1
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 01:04:50 PM
Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them. I don't know of anyone who would be fired for meeting their annual expectations every year....I think its actually funny that a college basketball coach is being held up as the pinnacle of job stability.
Finishing 7th is not my expectation...
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 01:59:52 PM
Finishing 7th is not my expectation...
I'll ask again, what were your expectations? complaining just to complain, without any possibility of discussion reflects poorly.
5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.
Quote from: wisblue on March 07, 2018, 01:45:38 PM
He may have met expectations each year as looked at from the beginning of each season. But I'm not sure he has met expectations for Season 4 compared to what might have been expected when he was hired, even recognizing that he was starting with a bare cupboard.
The expectations (and demands) should be going up pretty significantly next year. One more year of being on the bubble or worse and his seat will definitely be warm.
I think year 4 was always supposed to be a step back because of who was graduating this year.
Agreed 100% with your second paragraph.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 01:59:52 PM
Finishing 7th is not my expectation...
Well, all the professionals in the business pegged us for 7th, you had higher expectations, nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.
If we won one more game, we would have finished 3rd (nod to MUFINY). If that happened, would we have exceeded your expectations?
Beat UGA and DePaul is a silly thing to build season expectations on. Teams, good and bad, drop games they are supposed to win. As long as they also pick up wins they weren't supposed to (@Prov, @Hall, Hall, @Crei) then it balance out.
Learn to coach D is fair, our defense is unacceptably bad. I think a lot it has to do with roster construction (which is also on the coach). Its hard to be good at defense with two historically bad on ball defenders as 2/3 of your best players. Before Markus and Andrew got here, Marquette was actually better at defense then they were at offense per KenPom. If its a problem again next year, I will be very concerned.
Consistency? This is about as consistent of a team as you can hope for. We have only two bad losses but only two wins that I would say really stand out as surprises. For the most part we beat teams that we are better than and lose to teams we are worse than. There have been very few teams in college basketball who lose two games or less against teams that they should beat.
I don't know what "MU brand of basketball is." Every coach has had a very different style. Unless you mean "winning basketball" in which case I'll agree, there hasn't been enough for me to be satisfied, but I think its reasonable given the preseason expectations.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.
Ok. Tie for sixth is not very far out from fifth, but it's not fifth, so expectation not met, fair enough. Beat GA, the Georgia game was on December 2, 2017, you did not post on this board until January 31st 2018, so I'm not convinced that the loss bothered you that much, yes looking back, its our second worse loss on the year, but if you weren't bothered enough to post for almost 2 months afterwards, then it couldn't have been to much of a deal breaker for the season. Don't lose to DePaul, agree that Wojo has far too many losses against DePaul in his tenure, however, one game cannot and should not dictate the success or failure of a season. Learn to coach D, has been addressed pretty much all season that our D is very bad, partly can be attributed to the small guards we have, yes the roster is on Wojo, but both AR, and MH have proven to make up more on O than they give up on D, however that is just my opinion, you may disagree, fair enough. Most are of the opinion that our D will be better going forward when we are bigger/more experienced, once again an opinion, you can certainly disagree. Don't lose to DePaul, you said twice so I assume it is a major point for you, understandable. Play MU brand of basketball. This is the one that I don't quite understand, if you care to elaborate, I would be more than willing to have a discussion about it with you. It sounds like, based on the expectations that you listed, that we are not very far off from meeting them. I would assume that you, like most here will have increased expectations for next year. If in a years time, we have't meet or exceeded our new expectations then a new discussion can be had.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 12:15:40 PM
Bob Wild hates Wojo, haven't seen him at a game recently. He's pissed.
I know you are being "hyperbolic"...but
Fr. Wild sits right by us. He rarely misses a game in his seats. And if he is not in his seats, I am sure he is in the MU Suite often raising money.
He is a pure MU hoops fan in retirement, btw. His game emotions swing like any involved fan. One advantage sitting by him is my swearing is reduced. The other is I have confessionals on demand. (Btw, he loves Wojo).
College basketball is such a unique fan experience. Certainly, having priests as fans is a Big East asset. I have seen referees go up to Fr. Laurence for a blessing, Pat Driscoll sharing a beer with Fr. Kelly in Maui, oppising coaches at masses, etc. It's pretty damn cool to see as a fan even if you are not religious.
In other conferences, we see bag men instead of priests.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 07, 2018, 02:29:39 PM
I know you are being "hyperbolic"...but
Fr. Wild sits right by us. He rarely misses a game in his seats. And if he is not in his seats, I am sure he is in the MU Suite often raising money.
He is a pure MU hoops fan in retirement, btw. His game emotions swing like any involved fan. One advantage sitting by him is my swearing is reduced. The other is I have confessionals on demand. (Btw, he loves Wojo).
College basketball is such a unique fan experience. Certainly, having priests as fans is a Big East asset. I have seen referees go up to Fr. Laurence for a blessing, Pat Driscoll sharing a beer with Fr. Kelly in Maui, oppising coaches at masses, etc. It's pretty damn cool to see as a fan even if you are not religious.
In other conferences, we see bag men instead of priests.
I might pump the brakes on the holier than thou attitude
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.
Buzz lost to depaul as well while having a roster fairly similar to this one actually during a season very similar to this one where we ironically needed to beat Villanova to lock ourselves into the tournament
Quote from: MU82 on March 07, 2018, 12:05:06 PM
If true, chickadee, he has a unique way of showing it.
You love glow. Have you ever accused him of being an "underwhelming" failure?
In any other marriage, he'd be gone!
Yeah, I was talking about the actual Bob Wild; the former president of the university.
Anyone who is a true "Bob Wild loyalist" would not be talking sh!t about Wojo.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 01:04:50 PM
Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them. I don't know of anyone who would be fired for meeting their annual expectations every year....I think its actually funny that a college basketball coach is being held up as the pinnacle of job stability.
Who's expectations?? It's okay to you that his signature moment in 4 years is a win against #1?? That is record vs the dregs of the league, is way worse than it should be?? That his teams have been nothing but inconsistent(never winning 3 BE games in a row even). How is any of that, okay??
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 02:26:45 PM
Ok. Tie for sixth is not very far out from fifth, but it's not fifth, so expectation not met, fair enough. Beat GA, the Georgia game was on December 2, 2017, you did not post on this board until January 31st 2018, so I'm not convinced that the loss bothered you that much, yes looking back, its our second worse loss on the year, but if you weren't bothered enough to post for almost 2 months afterwards, then it couldn't have been to much of a deal breaker for the season. Don't lose to DePaul, agree that Wojo has far too many losses against DePaul in his tenure, however, one game cannot and should not dictate the success or failure of a season. Learn to coach D, has been addressed pretty much all season that our D is very bad, partly can be attributed to the small guards we have, yes the roster is on Wojo, but both AR, and MH have proven to make up more on O than they give up on D, however that is just my opinion, you may disagree, fair enough. Most are of the opinion that our D will be better going forward when we are bigger/more experienced, once again an opinion, you can certainly disagree. Don't lose to DePaul, you said twice so I assume it is a major point for you, understandable. Play MU brand of basketball. This is the one that I don't quite understand, if you care to elaborate, I would be more than willing to have a discussion about it with you. It sounds like, based on the expectations that you listed, that we are not very far off from meeting them. I would assume that you, like most here will have increased expectations for next year. If in a years time, we have't meet or exceeded our new expectations then a new discussion can be had.
Wojo has never won 3 conference games in a row ::drops mic::
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Wojo has never won 3 conference games in a row ::drops mic::
You're absolutely right, however based on your responses it seems like you don't really want to discuss the team or the future at all. If we win tonight, will your mic drop be preceded by Wojo has never won 4 conference games in a row. Despite what you may think, I'm not just trolling you, I'm actually trying to have a discussion about the team. Buzz never beat the #1 ranked team in the country, Crean had the best post Al class and couldn't make it to the second weekend with them in three attempts. All coaches have struggles, all have shortcomings, you seem fixated on these, and not the successes that they also experience.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
Who's expectations?? It's okay to you that his signature moment in 4 years is a win against #1?? That is record vs the dregs of the league, is way worse than it should be?? That his teams have been nothing but inconsistent(never winning 3 BE games in a row even). How is any of that, okay??
Because of the direction of the program.
It's the big east tournament. We really expect to win tonight? Hopefully we do, and I think we will
Question, when was the last time MU has won more then 1 game in the BEAST tourney?
Me. My head will explode if we lose twice to DePaul in the same season.
Please boys, don't let that happen.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
Who's expectations?? It's okay to you that his signature moment in 4 years is a win against #1?? That is record vs the dregs of the league, is way worse than it should be?? That his teams have been nothing but inconsistent(never winning 3 BE games in a row even). How is any of that, okay??
The expectations of the golden power point:
Year 1: Field a team
Year 2: Get Better
Year 3: Make the NCAA
Year 4: Weather the graduations, still make the postseason
Year 5: High NCAA seed
Year 6: Compete for BEast crown, legitimate final four contender
Year 7+: Sustained success
So it was written. So it shall be
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 04:44:06 PM
The expectations of the golden power point:
Year 1: Field a team
Year 2: Get Better
Year 3: Make the NCAA
Year 4: Weather the graduations, still make the postseason
Year 5: High NCAA seed
Year 6: Compete for BEast crown, legitimate final four contender
Year 7+: Sustained success
So it was written. So it shall be
in all fairness wojo did go on record saying if he'd known Henry was gonna be there they'd have scheduled differently so I think he knew the expectation for that year had changed. Still mad that we weren't at least in the NIT.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Wojo has never won 3 conference games in a row ::drops mic::
Oh thank god....
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 01:04:50 PM
Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them.
How can you assert that so definitively? Not trying to be a wiseass. Whose expectations? Were there criteria set by the university? Different people have differing expectations, and some of the discourse would indicate that he has not met with the expectations of some. If you are referring to your own expectations that should be included in the comment.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 07, 2018, 05:49:47 PM
How can you assert that so definitively? Not trying to be a wiseass. Whose expectations? Were there criteria set by the university? Different people have differing expectations, and some of the discourse would indicate that he has not met with the expectations of some. If you are referring to your own expectations that should be included in the comment.
This is it exactly...my problem with those of us that have higher expectations, get blasted and are told "our expectations are too high". Who says?? The crowd that doesn't have as high of expectations?? It's not like those of us with higher expectations have said he needed to win a national Championship already, so they can't cite that our expectations are unrealistic...they aren't, far from it. Perhaps it's just because those that are satisfied to this point, just don't care all that much....or...they are the type that always think they are the smartest people in the room...they know who they are.
The Big East coaches predicted MU would be 7th. MU tied for 6th. Hmm...
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 07, 2018, 05:49:47 PM
How can you assert that so definitively? Not trying to be a wiseass. Whose expectations? Were there criteria set by the university? Different people have differing expectations, and some of the discourse would indicate that he has not met with the expectations of some. If you are referring to your own expectations that should be included in the comment.
The expectations of the only people who matta (not us fans)
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 05:54:51 PM
This is it exactly...my problem with those of us that have higher expectations, get blasted and are told "our expectations are too high". Who says?? The crowd that doesn't have as high of expectations?? It's not like those of us with higher expectations have said he needed to win a national Championship already, so they can't cite that our expectations are unrealistic...they aren't, far from it. Perhaps it's just because those that are satisfied to this point, just don't care all that much....or...they are the type that always think they are the smartest people in the room...they know who they are.
Guru, I don't think I've ever blasted you or anyone for having higher expectations. I don't agree but don't think I've insulted anyone just for wanting more faster. If I have I apologize. I just know that the ones signing the checks understand that rebuilds are a process and have done the research to show that they are usually right. Program is trending upward and that is the most important thing. Make no mistake, I am desperate to be back on top....i just want to stay there after we arrive
People can have whatever expectations they want. But some of these people that have higher expectations dish out just as much as they receive. You can have higher expectations and write to the BOT telling them to fire wojo, but if you broadcast that fact on here, don't be surprised if people criticize you for doing so. Everyone believes that they're right, and bottom line is we can't all be. Don't complain that you're taking criticism for your opinion if you're criticizing other peoples, whatever opinion you may have.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 06:03:00 PM
The expectations of the only people who matta (not us fans)
Guru, I don't think I've ever blasted you or anyone for having higher expectations. I don't agree but don't think I've insulted anyone just for wanting more faster. If I have I apologize. I just know that the ones signing the checks understand that rebuilds are a process and have done the research to show that they are usually right. Program is trending upward and that is the most important thing. Make no mistake, I am desperate to be back on top....i just want to stay there after we arrive
No...you have been very good TAMU...No problems with you...but, certain people like Sultan have, and quickly jumps on anyone that says they are disappointed with where things are to this point.
Witch hed wee talkin' 'bout here, hey?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 06:03:00 PM
The expectations of the only people who matta (not us fans)
Guru, I don't think I've ever blasted you or anyone for having higher expectations. I don't agree but don't think I've insulted anyone just for wanting more faster. If I have I apologize. I just know that the ones signing the checks understand that rebuilds are a process and have done the research to show that they are usually right. Program is trending upward and that is the most important thing. Make no mistake, I am desperate to be back on top....i just want to stay there after we arrive
Please define "trending upward". Not sure that can be said. 20-13, no NCAA or NIT bid, to 19-13, NCAA bid, to where we are this year, on the bubble, does not establish an upward trend. Have not looked it up, but have we not been in 6th or 7th place in conference the last 3 years? Not really seeing an upward trend here. Glad you do, though.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 04:44:06 PM
The expectations of the golden power point:
Year 1: Field a team
Year 2: Get Better
Year 3: Make the NCAA
Year 4: Weather the graduations, still make the postseason
Year 5: High NCAA seed
Year 6: Compete for BEast crown, legitimate final four contender
Year 7+: Sustained success
So it was written. So it shall be
Yeah, it sure is great to write, "field a team". And even better, So it shall be. That is really a CYA expectation.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2018, 06:44:47 PM
Yeah, it sure is great to write, "field a team". And even better, So it shall be. That is really a CYA expectation.
What were your expectations for year one then? Wojo should get a pass that year more than any other. Not about to make sand knit drink but you know the cliche
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 06:19:27 PM
No...you have been very good TAMU...No problems with you...but, certain people like Sultan have, and quickly jumps on anyone that says they are disappointed with where things are to this point.
Deal with it sunshine.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 06:03:00 PM
The expectations of the only people who matta (not us fans)
So you are referring to his employers, the Board, since Woj is still employed? Fair enough, I guess that's the bottom line. Even they may not be thrilled, but have other factors to take into consideration.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 07, 2018, 06:59:37 PM
Deal with it sunshine.
Why do you have to always jump on people that don't share your point of view, and insist on trying to beat it into them that they are wrong, and you are right?? I forgot, you are a basketball guru(self anointed).
Says the guy who thinks he cares more because he has higher expectations...
Quote from: #bansultan on March 07, 2018, 07:13:24 PM
Says the guy who thinks he cares more because he has higher expectations...
This is true...Didn't you say yourself in a different thread today that you don't worry about losses too much?? Yes, yes you did. If losses don't affect you, then how can you say you care?? Whether you are a player or a fan it SHOULD bother you(if you care that is)?? If losing to DePaul tonight, doesn't keep you from sleeping, and doesn't ruin the rest of your weekend...I don't know what to say.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 07:24:37 PM
This is true...Didn't you say yourself in a different thread today that you don't worry about losses too much?? Yes, yes you did. If losses don't affect you, then how can you say you care?? Whether you are a player or a fan it SHOULD bother you(if you care that is)?? If losing to DePaul tonight, doesn't keep you from sleeping, and doesn't ruin the rest of your weekend...I don't know what to say.
What I said is that I don't get angry when they lose. Don't confuse people's response to how much they care.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 04:44:06 PM
The expectations of the golden power point:
Year 1: Field a team
Year 2: Get Better
Year 3: Make the NCAA
Year 4: Weather the graduations, still make the postseason
Year 5: High NCAA seed
Year 6: Compete for BEast crown, legitimate final four contender
Year 7+: Sustained success
So it was written. So it shall be
Wow. My bad TAMU. I had NO idea you were part of the hiring process and were present during the "golden power point?" Who else was present with you in the room during Wojo's interview?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 07, 2018, 01:04:50 PM
Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them.
That's pretty precise. You got a pipe to the BOT?
My head would explode. The season is on the line tonight, they need to win.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 07, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
Wow. My bad TAMU. I had NO idea you were part of the hiring process and were present during the "golden power point?" Who else was present with you in the room during Wojo's interview?
I think you need a long break from scoop.
Similarly, I'll definitely be taking a break from scoop myself if we lose tonight or don't make the tourney. The ridiculously childish flaming and literal nonsense will definitely peak in those scenarios. We'll all be looking forward to you and your kind crawling back under your rocks for the offseason.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 07, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
Wow. My bad TAMU. I had NO idea you were part of the hiring process and were present during the "golden power point?" Who else was present with you in the room during Wojo's interview?
Good chance he was...
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on March 07, 2018, 12:15:40 PM
I am voicing my opinion to people who accept the mediocre. Wojo has been underwhelming and deserves the criticism.
Bob Wild hates Wojo, haven't seen him at a game recently. He's pissed.
Wojo smokes dope MU82. Face it. The guy is stoned. Not staying in the zone, inconsistent level of play, losing players. He's forgetful. Your wise guy loose tie attitude isnt accepted around here.
I also saw your post saying he'd be gone in any other marriage. I hope so, I like my spouse to be reliable and consistent. You on the other hand must let yours suck....
So angry.
Seek help.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 06:55:26 PM
What were your expectations for year one then? Wojo should get a pass that year more than any other. Not about to make sand knit drink but you know the cliche
Don't you think there was some kind of expectation about how many guys would stay on after the transition? Or about how Wojo would be received by the team? I would imagine that the "check writers" look at any incoming coach's ability to sell vets on the nw program, even if the expectation isn't 100% retention. Of course, that kind of stuff is never made public, but that's got to be a big part of the initial evaluation. Or at least I would assume it would be.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 08:18:10 PM
Don't you think there was some kind of expectation about how many guys would stay on after the transition? Or about how Wojo would be received by the team? I would imagine that the "check writers" look at any incoming coach's ability to sell vets on the nw program, even if the expectation isn't 100% retention. Of course, that kind of stuff is never made public, but that's got to be a big part of the initial evaluation. Or at least I would assume it would be.
That does not answer my question. Knowing what we had, I had low expectations for year one that were more or less met. Mostly because Wojo showed an ability to recruit at a high level.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 08:20:59 PM
That does not answer my question. Knowing what we had, I had low expectations for year one that were more or less met. Mostly because Wojo showed an ability to recruit at a high level.
I'm just saying that sure there were some internal evaluations that we're important in year one. Bars that we're set higher than to just field a team. As fans, we won't know, but any new year coach doesn't just get a complete free pass in his first year. I just think the things that matter for his livelihood are less measurable than wins and losses.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 08:23:40 PM
I'm just saying that sure there were some internal evaluations that we're important in year one. Bars that we're set higher than to just field a team. As fans, we won't know, but any new year coach doesn't just get a complete free pass in his first year. I just think the things that matter for his livelihood are less measurable than wins and losses.
Agree that wojo shouldn't have gotten a pass if he went 0-whatever, but I was asking willies opinion on what expectations should have been since he appeared to be disappointed after year one, that's a pretty short leash if you ask me.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 08:25:45 PM
Agree that wojo shouldn't have gotten a pass if he went 0-whatever, but I was asking willies opinion on what expectations should have been since he appeared to be disappointed after year one, that's a pretty short leash if you ask me.
Not losing to Omaha at home would have been a nice thing.
Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
Not losing to Omaha at home would have been a nice thing.
I agree, but even you have to admit that it would have been a little pre mature to fire him immediately after that game
Hmmmmmmm
Pretty sure some heads exploded anyway.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2018, 11:02:35 PM
Pretty sure some heads exploded anyway.
I imagine a few wives, kids, dogs, etc. heard some yelling with about 3 seconds to go.
Heads still in tact, though.