Has anybody else listened to this show re Marquette the past couple episodes? It's mind blowing at how stupid these guys are and how much they hate the BE. Are they always like this? Is it just Dan Needles? He seems to be the one really driving the asinine comments
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They aren't looking at the details...I think they are doing the mind-numbed robot thing and taking what they see on popular Bracket sites...they might even be referencing info from pre-Creighton.
I just hope the committee does what I think they are supposed to do and look at the nitty gritty details....put the sheets next to each other. Not pay attention to fluff Brackets. Apply the fact that Seton Hall lost twice to MU and is in. Look at the losses to HIGH Q1 teams (maybe even 5 losses to No. 1 seeds!!).... Q3 losses not so bad...etc...etc...
And if they decide we don't get in..then so-be-it. But don't do it like the lemming press.
>> correction...SH not 9-9...Butler is
Quote from: MUBigDance on March 05, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
They aren't looking at the details...I think they are doing the mind-numbed robot thing and taking what they see on popular Bracket sites...they might even be referencing info from pre-Creighton.
I just hope the committee does what I think they are supposed to do and look at the nitty gritty details....put the sheets next to each other. Not pay attention to fluff Brackets. Apply the fact that Seton Hall lost twice to MU and finished 9-9 as well and is in. Look at the losses to HIGH Q1 teams (maybe even 5 losses to No. 1 seeds!!).... Q3 losses not so bad...etc...etc...
And if they decide we don't get in..then so-be-it. But don't do it like the lemming press.
Needles' comment "we don't actually know how good the big east is" using the reasoning that we've only played each other since the new year was so boneheaded I was just curious if this is something they're known for or if they're just hurt because UW's out
PS. I like Needles and the whole rain-man gig. But he can be wrong.
When asked last week if MU could get in, the one toothed wonder said " no chance!"
Today he said " no signature wins, need to beat Nova."
So I guess there is a chance.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 05, 2018, 05:14:04 PM
Needles' comment "we don't actually know how good the big east is" using the reasoning that we've only played each other since the new year was so boneheaded I was just curious if this is something they're known for or if they're just hurt because UW's out
If Needles said that, he is an idiot. Don't know how good the BEast is? Two likely 1 seeds in a 10 team league, and he doesn't know? Makes one wonder if the guy knows anything.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 05, 2018, 05:21:41 PM
If Needles said that, he is an idiot. Don't know how good the BEast is? Two likely 1 seeds in a 10 team league, and he doesn't know? Makes one wonder if the guy knows anything.
Yeah, that would be a seriously stupid comment.
"then they'd be 0-7 against Butler Xavier and villanova, this is much like northwestern this year in the B1G tournament gotta beat michigan. Doesn't matter if you're 13-4 in the conference or whatever, there's questions about it. you haven't beaten anybody... they don't have a signature win, I'm sure they have some quadrant 1 wins but really beating creighton? Is creighton really that good of a team? Is seton hall that good of a team? is georgetown? we don't know!...[goes on rant about how november is meaningless] all they've been playing is teams in their own conference. We think the big east is as good as any other conference in the country so it's easy to mark that all up but I don't know how good providence is I don't know how butler is... I don't think they get there without a villanova win"
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 05, 2018, 05:46:04 PM
"then they'd be 0-7 against Butler Xavier and villanova, this is much like northwestern this year in the B1G tournament gotta beat michigan. Doesn't matter if you're 13-4 in the conference or whatever, there's questions about it. you haven't beaten anybody... they don't have a signature win, I'm sure they have some quadrant 1 wins but really beating creighton? Is creighton really that good of a team? Is seton hall that good of a team? is georgetown? we don't know!...[goes on rant about how november is meaningless] all they've been playing is teams in their own conference. We think the big east is as good as any other conference in the country so it's easy to mark that all up but I don't know how good providence is I don't know how butler is... I don't think they get there without a villanova win"
Yikes.
He's basically screaming "I haven't done any research and my opinion should not be taken seriously"
Dan Needles is an idiot who isn't qualified to talk about college basketball. He probably didn't even look at any results until this week. Moron douchenozzle.
I wrote Dan Needles and email in early February. He basically told me to F off.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 05, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
I wrote Dan Needles and email in early February. He basically told me to F off.
Hah what'd you write about?
This was after his twitter rant with Brewcity77 on Feb 3rd
Mr. Needles,
Reading your uneducated tweeter rant on Saturday was painfully bad. If you don't think Marquette will be in the NCAA Tournament with a 9-9 or even 10-8 Big East record, lord I can't help you. Marquette is 10th in SOS. The Big East Conference is #1 in the RPI. To call Butler and Providence mediocre teams just shows how you don't follow the sport. Providence is 29th and Butler is 36st in the RPI. You do understand the committee has to pick 36 at large schools after the 32 automatic bids.
I would suggest to do some research. Jerry Palm on CBS and Joe Lunardi on ESPN might be a good start. Blocking people on twitter or calling a Milwaukee Firefighter to get a life is not a good look.
All the best, Matt.
Like I said in another thread earlier today, it's amazing these people get paid to talk / write about college basketball. They're just embarrassing themselves.
That said, I have no knowledge of Dan Needles other than piggybacking off Brew ripping him on Twitter for saying MU was toast weeks ago that got me blocked in 1 comment. But from what little I do know, he's an MU hating moron.
:Here is Needles email back to me.
When I need advice from you I will ask. I have been doing this job for over 30 years. I'm sure you are a big, big college basketball fan. I would suggest you get a job in that field. Or in journalism. Or something connected. Or maybe let the professionals do the job. I'm trying to think of the last time I told you how to do your job...hmm, never. I'm not qualified to do that.
You can disagree with my opinion...don't tread on trying to tell me how to do my job. I will put my knowledge of sports up against yours any day and will win, if you would like to put something on the line.
Also, I will block whoever the hell I want to. If they (and you) start to get personal, you will be blocked. I really don't care if I hurt your feelings...and the other guy, being a firefighter has nothing to do with it. If one of my friends took personal shots at me on Twitter, I would block him as well.
Oh, and by the way...if Marquette makes the tournament, I will be the first to put on Twitter that I was wrong. I grew up a Marquette fan, always want to local teams to do well. When they play like crap, that is also my job to point out. I am not a cheerleader, not paid for that. I am paid to put my personal opinions out there on Twitter and on radio. You can agree or disagree...I don't really care. You can put your personal opinions on Twitter as well...I don't follow you, and I'm not really interested.
However, if Marquette does not make the tournament, I expect you will put in BIG, BOLD LETTERS on Twitter that you were wrong, and quite rude as well. I doubt you will....
I don't think the point about not having a signature win is that far off base. I felt a lot better last year heading into selection sunday knowing we had that Nova win on the resume. We have a number of good, quality wins this year, but if we would have have one of the Xavier, Nova, or Purdue games go the other way, I'd be more comfortable.
Looking at our resume on the ESPN RPI breakdown highlights the "no signature win" outlook, with us being 0-6 against the top 25 teams but posting a strong 5-3 against the 26-50 teams. Compare that to the quadrant view, where we have 4-7 in Q1, that can give a better impression of how good our good wins are.
On the plus side, we still have a shot to get a signature win in the BET, so let's hope we get one on Thursday and remove all doubt.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 05, 2018, 06:37:33 PM
I don't think the point about not having a signature win is that far off base. I felt a lot better last year heading into selection sunday knowing we had that Nova win on the resume. We have a number of good, quality wins this year, but if we would have have one of the Xavier, Nova, or Purdue games go the other way, I'd be more comfortable.
Looking at our resume on the ESPN RPI breakdown highlights the "no signature win" outlook, with us being 0-6 against the top 25 teams but posting a strong 5-3 against the 26-50 teams. Compare that to the quadrant view, where we have 4-7 in Q1, that can give a better impression of how good our good wins are.
On the plus side, we still have a shot to get a signature win in the BET, so let's hope we get one on Thursday and remove all doubt.
If we beat X, Nova or Purdue, we wouldn't be on the bubble. Or course we'd all feel better. @Hall and @Creighton are very legit wins this season. Both teams are very very good. I am confident the committee knows this, even if national pundits or other loudmouths don't give the BE respect. There is no evidence whatsoever that the NCAA selection committee thinks anything other than very very highly of the Big East.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 05, 2018, 06:31:30 PM
:Here is Needles email back to me.
When I need advice from you I will ask. I have been doing this job for over 30 years. I'm sure you are a big, big college basketball fan. I would suggest you get a job in that field. Or in journalism. Or something connected. Or maybe let the professionals do the job. I'm trying to think of the last time I told you how to do your job...hmm, never. I'm not qualified to do that.
You can disagree with my opinion...don't tread on trying to tell me how to do my job. I will put my knowledge of sports up against yours any day and will win, if you would like to put something on the line.
Also, I will block whoever the hell I want to. If they (and you) start to get personal, you will be blocked. I really don't care if I hurt your feelings...and the other guy, being a firefighter has nothing to do with it. If one of my friends took personal shots at me on Twitter, I would block him as well.
Oh, and by the way...if Marquette makes the tournament, I will be the first to put on Twitter that I was wrong. I grew up a Marquette fan, always want to local teams to do well. When they play like crap, that is also my job to point out. I am not a cheerleader, not paid for that. I am paid to put my personal opinions out there on Twitter and on radio. You can agree or disagree...I don't really care. You can put your personal opinions on Twitter as well...I don't follow you, and I'm not really interested.
However, if Marquette does not make the tournament, I expect you will put in BIG, BOLD LETTERS on Twitter that you were wrong, and quite rude as well. I doubt you will....
Wow sounds like a complete dbag. I really really really hope you get to send him a reminder next week that he owes a tweet about how he was wrong
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 05, 2018, 06:44:48 PM
Wow sounds like a complete dbag. I really really really hope you get to send him a reminder next week that he owes a tweet about how he was wrong
Yep being Rainman of sports trivia on Homer's show does not make him a great reporter.
Needles...who ya crappin?
Dan Needles is a good example of the local sportscaster that knows the Packers and not much else. His opinions are based on outdated media perceptions mixed with a cursory glance at the sports page. He essentially admitted that on Twitter before blocking me.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 05, 2018, 06:44:48 PM
Wow sounds like a complete dbag. I really really really hope you get to send him a reminder next week that he owes a tweet about how he was wrong
The irony of your post is quite amusing.
I had a boss once that would remind people that it's possible to be right in an argument without being condescending. I think that's pretty good advice.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 05, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
The irony of your post is quite amusing.
I had a boss once that would remind people that it's possible to be right in an argument without being condescending. I think that's pretty good advice.
I don't think I see the irony. Expecting one to live up to their proclamation is not being a dbag. Him proclaiming he'd expect a big bold tweet from nielson is on the other hand an example of being a dbag
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 05, 2018, 07:03:46 PM
I don't think I see the irony. Expecting one to live up to their proclamation is not being a dbag. Him proclaiming he'd expect a big bold tweet from nielson is on the other hand an example of being a dbag
Bringing up an old tweet or post in order to gloat about being right to a complete stranger online - not a d-bag move? I think most people (outside this board, of course) would find that to be petty and unnecessary. But hey, maybe I'm overestimating people.
Well, either way I won't be putting out a tweet, since I don't have a twitter account. I already smoke. I don't need two bad things for my health. ;D
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 05, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
Well, either way I won't be putting out a tweet, since I don't have a twitter account. I already smoke. I don't need two bad things for my health. ;D
With all that nicotine, you need to clean all those screens in your man cave to better see the action! ;)
From now on, just assume that all local sports media guys are pretty much unintelligent dopes.
So then if they actually say something interesting and insightful, you'll be pleasantly surprised!!
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 05, 2018, 07:18:31 PM
With all that nicotine, you need to clean all those screens in your man cave to better see the action! ;)
That's funny you say that. In 2009 when Americans got rid of the picture tube tv's and we all have these 50 inch flat screens in HD. I thought the picture was so great, I didn't want to get the glass dirty. We now only smoke in the basement. ;D
I seem to recall, also on Twitter, that Dan proclaimed that the new Jurassic World sequel doesn't make sense since "Jeff Goldblum died in Jurassic Park". If that doesn't reveal his level of intellect, I don't know what does...
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The only sports radio I tolerate anymore is LeBatard. I love that show, for everything that local sports hot takes tries to be, he aims for the opposite.
Quote from: MUDish-Hagans Come On Down on March 05, 2018, 08:17:00 PM
The only sports radio I tolerate anymore is LeBatard. I love that show, for everything that local sports hot takes tries to be, he aims for the opposite.
This is the beauty of podcasts. There are a ton of options, and it's not hard to find guys that are both likable and know what they're talking about.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 05, 2018, 06:31:30 PM
:Here is Needles email back to me.
When I need advice from you I will ask. I have been doing this job for over 30 years. I'm sure you are a big, big college basketball fan. I would suggest you get a job in that field. Or in journalism. Or something connected. Or maybe let the professionals do the job. I'm trying to think of the last time I told you how to do your job...hmm, never. I'm not qualified to do that.
You can disagree with my opinion...don't tread on trying to tell me how to do my job. I will put my knowledge of sports up against yours any day and will win, if you would like to put something on the line.
Also, I will block whoever the hell I want to. If they (and you) start to get personal, you will be blocked. I really don't care if I hurt your feelings...and the other guy, being a firefighter has nothing to do with it. If one of my friends took personal shots at me on Twitter, I would block him as well.
Oh, and by the way...if Marquette makes the tournament, I will be the first to put on Twitter that I was wrong. I grew up a Marquette fan, always want to local teams to do well. When they play like crap, that is also my job to point out. I am not a cheerleader, not paid for that. I am paid to put my personal opinions out there on Twitter and on radio. You can agree or disagree...I don't really care. You can put your personal opinions on Twitter as well...I don't follow you, and I'm not really interested.
However, if Marquette does not make the tournament, I expect you will put in BIG, BOLD LETTERS on Twitter that you were wrong, and quite rude as well. I doubt you will....
This is hysterical. Professional. His profession is as a radio personality. There's no insider knowledge of the sport required for to be a regional radio blowhard (note: I didn't say that it requires no work or that it's not a profession).
By his logic, how awful must the Badgers be for them to get destroyed by this Marquette team that we "don't know how good" their conference is AND finish under .500 in the Big 10 that we don't know how good they are.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 05, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
That said, I have no knowledge of Dan Needles other than piggybacking off Brew ripping him on Twitter for saying MU was toast weeks ago that got me blocked in 1 comment. But from what little I do know, he's an MU hating moron.
He has said on numerous occasions that he IS a Marquette fan and wants to see them in the Tournament. It is not his fault that we lost to the 2 bottom feeders in the league. Saying we weren't going to make it after those two "stinkers" does not mean he hates MU.
The majority of "MU hating morons" here feel the same way.
Quote from: Jockey on March 05, 2018, 09:03:07 PM
He has said on numerous occasions that he IS a Marquette fan and wants to see them in the Tournament. It is not his fault that we lost to the 2 bottom feeders in the league. Saying we weren't going to make it after those two "stinkers" does not mean he hates MU.
The majority of "MU hating morons" here feel the same way.
He said they had no chance to play in the NCAAs. MU very much so has a chance to play in the NCAAs. He was very wrong.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 05, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
He said they had no chance to play in the NCAAs. MU very much so has a chance to play in the NCAAs. He was very wrong.
He may very well be wrong.
But, he said today that we have to beat Nova to get in and the majority of Scoopers agree with him.
Eh, hes not wrong technically. MU has some nice wins, but no signature win. There are a lot of "bubble" teams that have a signature win that MU is lacking.
You are all missing the point. After the loss to DePaul he said MU "has no chance" of making the tournament. No chance.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on March 05, 2018, 10:00:21 PM
Eh, hes not wrong technically. MU has some nice wins, but no signature win. There are a lot of "bubble" teams that have a signature win that MU is lacking.
That's not the part I was saying was asinine. The whole reasoning of not knowing how good the big east is because we've only played each other... well it's conference season by that logic we don't know how good anybody is but he wouldn't get caught dead saying that about the B1G or any of the other power leagues.
Quote from: Jockey on March 05, 2018, 09:50:06 PM
He may very well be wrong.
But, he said today that we have to beat Nova to get in and the majority of Scoopers agree with him.
I don't know about there majority. Seems pretty split. Will likely depend on what other teams do if 1-1 is what happens. We shall see.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 05, 2018, 10:09:29 PM
That's not the part I was saying was asinine. The whole reasoning of not knowing how good the big east is because we've only played each other... well it's conference season by that logic we don't know how good anybody is but he wouldn't get caught dead saying that about the B1G or any of the other power leagues.
I disagree, this guy is a right on. He's using the same universally accepted logic that plagued MLB. Admit it, no one had any idea how good any baseball team was until the World Series was played for the first 100 years or so of Major League Baseball. Remember when most people thought the Big Red Machine of the 70's couldn't beat a double A team until they proved they were legit by beating American League teams in the WS? It's the same with these silly college basketball conferences with teams that play games against each other. Only Bud Selig can fix this!
Quote from: Jockey on March 05, 2018, 09:03:07 PM
He has said on numerous occasions that he IS a Marquette fan and wants to see them in the Tournament. It is not his fault that we lost to the 2 bottom feeders in the league. Saying we weren't going to make it after those two "stinkers" does not mean he hates MU.
Keep in mind the twitter war and my email was after the Providence loss.
Needles is a condescending a$$clown. He always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Can't stand him.
Quote from: Jockey on March 05, 2018, 09:03:07 PM
He has said on numerous occasions that he IS a Marquette fan and wants to see them in the Tournament. It is not his fault that we lost to the 2 bottom feeders in the league. Saying we weren't going to make it after those two "stinkers" does not mean he hates MU.
The majority of "MU hating morons" here feel the same way.
Well, one of the bottom feeders is St. John's who we did lose to, but also beat. As I recall, that bottom feeder did manage to whip the darling of College BB, Duke. So that should give the Numbnuts Needles a good idea of how tough the BEast is. Now we did lose to the other stinker, DePaul, which was totally unacceptable. We do have a chance to redeem that loss with a thorough ass kicking of them on a neutral floor. But we better lock in to that redemption.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 05, 2018, 06:31:30 PM
:Here is Needles email back to me.
When I need advice from you I will ask. I have been doing this job for over 30 years. I'm sure you are a big, big college basketball fan. I would suggest you get a job in that field. Or in journalism. Or something connected. Or maybe let the professionals do the job. I'm trying to think of the last time I told you how to do your job...hmm, never. I'm not qualified to do that.
You can disagree with my opinion...don't tread on trying to tell me how to do my job. I will put my knowledge of sports up against yours any day and will win, if you would like to put something on the line.
Also, I will block whoever the hell I want to. If they (and you) start to get personal, you will be blocked. I really don't care if I hurt your feelings...and the other guy, being a firefighter has nothing to do with it. If one of my friends took personal shots at me on Twitter, I would block him as well.
Oh, and by the way...if Marquette makes the tournament, I will be the first to put on Twitter that I was wrong. I grew up a Marquette fan, always want to local teams to do well. When they play like crap, that is also my job to point out. I am not a cheerleader, not paid for that. I am paid to put my personal opinions out there on Twitter and on radio. You can agree or disagree...I don't really care. You can put your personal opinions on Twitter as well...I don't follow you, and I'm not really interested.
However, if Marquette does not make the tournament, I expect you will put in BIG, BOLD LETTERS on Twitter that you were wrong, and quite rude as well. I doubt you will....
I'm impressed that he took the time to so thoroughly berate you. Congrats!