Wins over Creighton and Georgetown.
Regardless of BET outcome.
Does that get us in the NCAA?
Maybe. But don't see us getting there.
I think .500 in conference gets us in unless the rip take a real hit from DePaul loss.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 24, 2018, 01:09:33 PM
I think .500 in conference gets us in unless the rip take a real hit from DePaul loss.
7 spots...64 now
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 24, 2018, 01:07:32 PM
Wins over Creighton and Georgetown.
Regardless of BET outcome.
Does that get us in the NCAA?
I think we win both. Not sure that will be enough. We could have lost the Georgetown or Creighton game and probably been ok, but we couldn't afford to lose this one.
My guess is we need to win 4 straight to get in.
Georgetown and Creighton should get us to Dayton.
No. The RPI will take a nose dive today. Georgetown will not be a huge win, Creighton would be fairly good, but losing to this team today was not good.
Did anyone hear the announcers before the game? We weren't even a bubble team in their eyes BEFORE we lost today. You really think we can make the tournament without winning the BET?
They don't get in at 9-9 with a loss to DePaul on the resume. It's over.
Losses don't matter. The committee showed everyone that last year and they showed everyone that with their top 16 "reveal" this year. Losing to DePaul is better than Georgetown or Creighton because Georgetown and Creighton will be top 2 quardant wins.
We just won't win both of those.
This team probably will not even make NIT.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on February 24, 2018, 01:17:07 PM
Did anyone hear the announcers before the game? We weren't even a bubble team in their eyes BEFORE we lost today. You really think we can make the tournament without winning the BET?
That was ridiculous, they mentioned 4 times during the game that we are out of the bubble conversation and need to play our way back in. Before this game we were the 2nd team out on Bracket Matrix.
Quote from: bilsu on February 24, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
This team probably will not even make NIT.
Yeah you're wrong.
Waiting to hear from 5J, but he has stuck with 9-9 and I'm sticking with it too. Bubble is soft this year. Clearly this garbage loss doesn't help but not counting us out.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2018, 01:18:34 PM
Losses don't matter. The committee showed everyone that last year and they showed everyone that with their top 16 "reveal" this year. Losing to DePaul is better than Georgetown or Creighton because Georgetown and Creighton will be top 2 quardant wins.
We just won't win both of those.
Depaul was 10-17 overall and 4-11 in BE play prior to today. Loss will matter.
Beating a 5-11 Georgetown team is not that big of deal.
Creighton would be a nice win. If they win next two and then win two in BET, I say yes. But todays loss not only hurt with RPI, NCAA bid, but also momentum. It would have been a nice streak going in to next game, this one will haunt them..
I don't believe this is something we need to worry about
Quote from: bilsu on February 24, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
This team probably will not even make NIT.
I think 9-9 gets an NIT. If not, the season is a net loser.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2018, 01:18:34 PM
Losses don't matter. The committee showed everyone that last year and they showed everyone that with their top 16 "reveal" this year. Losing to DePaul is better than Georgetown or Creighton because Georgetown and Creighton will be top 2 quardant wins.
We just won't win both of those.
You do NOT deserve to make the tournament EVER when you lose to DuhPaul...period. I don't care if you win every other game on your schedule.
Win TWO in NY.....go and check our record at the bET lol
Quote from: Warrior1969 on February 24, 2018, 01:28:19 PM
Win TWO in NY.....go and check our record at the bET lol
Exactly and have win the next two regular games. Would take a miracle, thats why this one was really, really bad.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 01:27:34 PM
You do NOT deserve to make the tournament EVER when you lose to DuhPaul...period. I don't care if you win every other game on your schedule.
Better erase our NCAA tourney appearances in 2010, 2007, 1983, 1982, 1980, 1979, 1977, 1961, 1959
Quote from: WayOfTheWarrior on February 24, 2018, 01:22:12 PM
Waiting to hear from 5J, but he has stuck with 9-9 and I'm sticking with it too. Bubble is soft this year. Clearly this garbage loss doesn't help but not counting us out.
I have a longer comment on the bubble watch thread, but part of MU's problem is that their best wins aren't that impressive either. Now throw a bad loss in the mix and MU's resume is not impressive, even compared to other bubble teams.
Quote from: Warrior1969 on February 24, 2018, 01:28:19 PM
Win TWO in NY.....go and check our record at the bET lol
Not to mention that today's results make it probable that MU's first BET game will be against St. John's in their second home.
ETA: and with Nova losing today a win over SJU would probably result in a second round game with Nova. Beating both Georgetown and Creighton is going to be tough for a wildly inconsistent team. Beating SJU and Nova on consecutive days in the Garden isn't happening.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on February 24, 2018, 01:17:07 PM
Did anyone hear the announcers before the game? We weren't even a bubble team in their eyes BEFORE we lost today. You really think we can make the tournament without winning the BET?
One announcer was Dickie Simpkins and the other sounded less informed than Dickie on CBB. I wouldn't put much stock in their opinions.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2018, 01:47:19 PM
One announcer was Dickie Simpkins and the other sounded less informed than Dickie on CBB. I wouldn't put much stock in their opinions.
Actually, both were referring to a FOX NCAA bid analyst and even showed the guy's in/out, so whether it was their interpretation or not in question.
Game play announcer was Rick Waltz, who is an awesome baseball announcer, was The Marlins guy for years, until Jeter cleaned house.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2018, 01:47:19 PM
One announcer was Dickie Simpkins and the other sounded less informed than Dickie on CBB. I wouldn't put much stock in their opinions.
Dickie Brackets, eh?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 24, 2018, 01:07:32 PM
Wins over Creighton and Georgetown.
Regardless of BET outcome.
Does that get us in the NCAA?
I did point out going g into these final 4 regular season games that Pomeroy gave us only a 11% chance of winning the last 4 to finish 10-8.
Running rpi forecast, if we win 4 Straight now we finish 9-9 and two big east games including either Xavier or Villanova and make the tournament, so mathematically alive but really a Longshot.
If 9-9 gets us 6th place (most likely), then that would require beating
6 v 3 over Butler
6 v 2 over Villanova (or Xavier)
Championship loss to xavier
20-13 37rpi, 10 sos, 6 quadrant 1 wins
I'm doing a reverse and almost hoping 9-9 leaves us as 7th as strange as that sounds because then the same 2 big east wins would be:
7 v 10 over DePaul (worse case rpi)
7 v 2 over Villanova (or Xavier)
Semifinal loss to 3-seed Butler
20-13 49 rpi, 26 sos, 5 quadrant 1 wins
Both scenarios are really tough, but I'd almost rather be the 7-seed and just have the one really hard upset to cap the four wins, even though it's not quite as sure a thing we'd get the pick, then need to pull off back to back really tough wins as a 6-seed.
Quote from: auburnmarquette on February 24, 2018, 01:55:54 PM
I did point out going g into these final 4 regular season games that Pomeroy gave us only a 11% chance of winning the last 4 to finish 10-8.
Running rpi forecast, if we win 4 Straight now we finish 9-9 and two big east games including either Xavier or Villanova and make the tournament, so mathematically alive but really a Longshot.
If 9-9 gets us 6th place (most likely), then that would require beating
6 v 3 over Butler
6 v 2 over Villanova (or Xavier)
Championship loss to xavier
20-13 37rpi, 10 sos, 6 quadrant 1 wins
I'm doing a reverse and almost hoping 9-9 leaves us as 7th as strange as that sounds because then the same 2 big east wins would be:
7 v 10 over DePaul (worse case rpi)
7 v 2 over Villanova (or Xavier)
Semifinal loss to 3-seed Butler
20-13 49 rpi, 26 sos, 5 quadrant 1 wins
Both scenarios are really tough, but I'd almost rather be the 7-seed and just have the one really hard upset to cap the four wins, even though it's not quite as sure a thing we'd get the pick, then need to pull off back to back really tough wins as a 6-seed.
Interesting numbers. Note:
If we win the next two and get the 6 seed. Then beat Bulter, but lose to Nova. Our numbers would get us in. 49 RPI, 17 SOS, 5 Q1 wins.
I thought we'd need to win 4 more, I think we only need 3, based on the numbers.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 01:27:34 PM
You do NOT deserve to make the tournament EVER when you lose to DuhPaul...period. I don't care if you win every other game on your schedule.
Lost to DePaul with the amigos in 07 I believe and again in 2010.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 01:27:34 PM
You do NOT deserve to make the tournament EVER when you lose to DuhPaul...period. I don't care if you win every other game on your schedule.
This is great.
30-1 with a loss to DePaul......#1 seed?
No.....didn't even make the tournament. Didn't deserve it. Period.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on February 24, 2018, 02:30:32 PM
This is great.
30-1 with a loss to DePaul......#1 seed?
No.....didn't even make the tournament. Didn't deserve it. Period.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Apparently DePaul is the ultimate resume buster in any situation haha!
Does anyone think we will finish 9 and 9 at this point? We struggled with Georgetown the first time around. They are like St. John's - big everywhere and physical. I'm not sure we can beat them at their place.
We can beat Creighton at home again but at that point it would be too late.
hoping today will be our last(very much needed)motivator-win our remaining 2 conference regular season games, then at least 2 BE tourney games(hopeful)-3 would push us in without a doubt-
remember the year jimmy v did it? as long as wojo starts each practice with cutting the nets down(reference-"survive and advance" from espn's 30 for 30)
if any of you haven't seen this 30 for 30, it's a beauty! if you have seen it, you'll never tire watching again
http://www.espn.com/30for30/film?page=survive%20and%20advance
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2018, 01:47:19 PM
One announcer was Dickie Simpkins and the other sounded less informed than Dickie on CBB. I wouldn't put much stock in their opinions.
Rich Waltz is a pretty solid play by play man. Many would say Marquette is not a bubble team. That's were hoop nerds come in.
Quote from: nyg on February 24, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
Game play announcer was Rick Waltz, who is an awesome baseball announcer, was The Marlins guy for years, until Jeter cleaned house.
Does many games on CBSSN. New to FOX this year. Excellent announcer.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on February 24, 2018, 01:27:26 PM
I think 9-9 gets an NIT. If not, the season is a net loser.
You'd define this season's success by an NIT bid?
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 24, 2018, 03:43:22 PM
You'd define this season's success by an NIT bid?
I would say it is living up to expectations.
(https://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/styles/tickets_logo_200x200/public/images/tickets/logos/nit_logo.png?itok=-WjHUk31)
Only chance for another outcome would be actually showing up to play in New York, which we know never happens.
Don't think they are able to win the next 2 games and even if they did, it won't be enough unless about 80 teams are disqualified from post season play due to recruiting violations.
Why do people keep saying our defense wasn't an issue? We played DePaul. Defensive rebounding was atrocious (that's defense). Playing man without fouling was atrocious (that's defense). Obviously our offense was really bad but so was our d
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 24, 2018, 04:26:56 PM
Why do people keep saying our defense wasn't an issue? We played DePaul. Defensive rebounding was atrocious (that's defense). Playing man without fouling was atrocious (that's defense). Obviously our offense was really bad but so was our d
Nothing was good for MU today. Just a bad game all around. No kudos for any one today.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 24, 2018, 03:43:22 PM
You'd define this season's success by an NIT bid?
A NCAA bid exceeds expectations, a NIT bid is acceptable. Anything less is a dud.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 24, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
Don't think they are able to win the next 2 games and even if they did, it won't be enough unless about 80 teams are disqualified from post season play due to recruiting violations.
You think a Big East team with a record of 9-9 would be approximately a 148 seed?
Quote from: Cream Biggums on February 24, 2018, 01:20:18 PM
That was ridiculous, they mentioned 4 times during the game that we are out of the bubble conversation and need to play our way back in. Before this game we were the 2nd team out on Bracket Matrix.
You'll forgive me if I don't rely upon the word of Dickey Simpkins. But yeah, would take 2-0 plus probably 2 more to get in.
T Rank has us as the last team in if we win the next 2.
Quote from: connie on February 24, 2018, 04:33:40 PM
You'll forgive me if I don't rely upon the word of Dickey Simpkins. But yeah, would take 2-0 plus probably 2 more to get in.
Win next two and there's a chance.
Win next three, I feel goodie.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 24, 2018, 04:39:37 PM
Win next two and there's a chance.
Win next three, I feel goodie.
Yep.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 24, 2018, 04:41:02 PM
Yep.
Under Wojo, MU has yet to win three straight Big East games
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on February 24, 2018, 01:17:07 PM
Did anyone hear the announcers before the game? We weren't even a bubble team in their eyes BEFORE we lost today. You really think we can make the tournament without winning the BET?
Maybe we'll get Arizona's spot. ::)
Very little chance unless we run off at least 4 wins in a row (extremely unlikely). We've already lost to 2 of the 3 bottom feeders and will be underdogs in the next.
Quote from: Jockey on February 24, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
Maybe we'll get Arizona's spot. ::)
Very little chance unless we run off at least 4 wins in a row (extremely unlikely). We've already lost to 2 of the 3 bottom feeders and will be underdogs in the next.
#FakeNews
Quote from: RJax55 on February 24, 2018, 04:55:08 PM
Under Wojo, MU has yet to win three straight Big East games
The fact we have no clearer answer to whether Wojo can coach today than we had four years ago is an indictment in my eyes
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 24, 2018, 05:16:57 PM
The fact we have no clearer answer to whether Wojo can coach today than we had four years ago is an indictment in my eyes
We'll have a clear answer next year, either way
Sigh. Even with a 9-9 record, a loss to DePaul will not cut-it. Absent a deep run in the BE Tournament, Marquette is not getting a bid.
At this point, 8-10 is more likely and the NIT beckons.
We need to win 3 in a row.
GT, CR - 9-9 a must
7th seed pretty much...given the remaining schedule.
First BET game - DePaul. 7x10. Can not lose twice to them. If we do, a good case against us.
So 3 in a row.
Math is hard for some.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 24, 2018, 05:16:57 PM
The fact we have no clearer answer to whether Wojo can coach today than we had four years ago is an indictment in my eyes
Pretty telling that we've never won 3 Big East games in a row under Wojo in 4 seasons. I was starting to warm to Wojo, felt he was improving some, but today's coaching performance brought me right back to Year 1 of his tenure.
Yes, we had a bad shooting game, BUT, it comes down to can a coach help you manufacture a win when your best isn't available. The answer to this question during Wojo's time is a resounding, NO. And Wojo failed miserably today.
We seem to only win, when our shooters are shooting at a near elite level. Number 1 shooting 3 point team in all of college ball last year, and Number 4 overall team in eFG% last season - and we barely got in to NCAA and finished 10-8 in Big East play.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 24, 2018, 05:22:33 PM
We'll have a clear answer next year, either way
My big concern for next year is that a clear cut year 5 answer won't be there. Frankly, I think that's the most likely option.
While I think we will be better than this year, I'm worried we see a performance similar to last year. Not in style of play, but in terms of accomplishments. Some nice wins, but not a real threat to win the conference. A NCAA apprearance, but a low seed that's one and done.
If that comes to fruition, where does that leave things? Well, pretty similar to today, IMO. Depending on your Wojo lens, you could argue either way on him being on the hot seat or not.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 24, 2018, 05:42:35 PM
My big concern for next year is that a clear cut year 5 answer won't be there. Frankly, I think that's the most likely option.
While I think we will be better than this year, I'm worried we see a performance similar to last year. Not in style of play, but in terms of accomplishments. Some nice wins, but not a real threat to win the conference. A NCAA apprearance, but a low seed that's one and done.
If that comes to fruition, where does that leave things? Well, pretty similar to today, IMO. Depending on your Wojo lens, you could argue either way on him being on the hot seat or not.
Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year". I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.
I'm sure there will be others.
Quote from: wisblue on February 24, 2018, 06:26:45 PM
Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year". I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.
I'm sure there will be others.
You can hear this exact noise verbatim on John Dodds board. In fact, he's already started with the above before we even conclude this season. It's pure comedy.
Quote from: wisblue on February 24, 2018, 06:26:45 PM
Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year". I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.
I'm sure there will be others.
Awesome.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 24, 2018, 05:42:35 PM
My big concern for next year is that a clear cut year 5 answer won't be there. Frankly, I think that's the most likely option.
While I think we will be better than this year, I'm worried we see a performance similar to last year. Not in style of play, but in terms of accomplishments. Some nice wins, but not a real threat to win the conference. A NCAA apprearance, but a low seed that's one and done.
If that comes to fruition, where does that leave things? Well, pretty similar to today, IMO. Depending on your Wojo lens, you could argue either way on him being on the hot seat or not.
A reasonable, measured post.
This Board says that we should judge him by expectations. The expectations seem to be that MU is a lock for a S16.
Quote from: wisblue on February 24, 2018, 06:26:45 PM
Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year". I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.
I'm sure there will be others.
(9) Who could have predicted that Such-And-Such would have transferred mid-season? WUNY
Quote from: Jockey on February 24, 2018, 06:02:50 PM
#RealPretentiousJerk
Nah, you just lied. Don't lie and you'll be fine, jokey.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 24, 2018, 03:46:41 PM
I would say it is living up to expectations.
When these are the expectations(regardless of circumstances), you know the program has taken a major nose dive. At Marquette, NIT appearances should be viewed as a major disappointment. Mike Deane once said that Marquette should be happy with NIT appearances, and that got him fired..Though back then, it was a different era for MU hoops, times HAD changed, until these last four years apparently...now we are back to the Mike Deane days, where NIT's should be celebrated. If you aren't in the NCAA's, the season was a disappointment, period. It's not like making the NCAA's is all that hard these days either. Not like it used to be anyway.
Now that my anger has subsided and I have come off the ledge, I still have NCAA tournament hopes and we may not be as far out as I thought, but we absolutely must win the next 2 games and 1 and probably 2 games in the BET to get in. Lose any of the next 3 and it's NIT time. Does that Creighton win over Nova today help our RPI significantly since we beat Creighton or not really?
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on February 24, 2018, 07:04:49 PM
Now that my anger has subsided and I have come off the ledge, I still have NCAA tournament hopes and we may not be as far out as I thought, but we absolutely must win the next 2 games and 1 and probably 2 games in the BET to get in. Lose any of the next 3 and it's NIT time. Does that Creighton win over Nova today help our RPI significantly since we beat Creighton or not really?
It hurts cuz we lost to Nova twice.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 24, 2018, 07:12:55 PM
It hurts cuz we lost to Nova twice.
I didn't think of it that way f******ck
nit it is,all we can hope for. no consistency on the road or at home, makes me sick that we don't or can't get better for a variety of reasons. nose dive during the part of the season we should be trending up
Quote from: wisblue on February 24, 2018, 06:26:45 PM
Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year". I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.
I'm sure there will be others.
A lot of people, myself included, said this year would be a step back. A lot of people, myself included, said NIT bid.
I expect significant improvement next year. Top four in conference. Around a five or six seen in NCAA.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 24, 2018, 07:12:55 PM
It hurts cuz we lost to Nova twice.
It does make for an outside chance that when we beat Creighton the 2nd time, it counts as another Q1 win. Need some other teams in the top 30 to drop back a bit.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 24, 2018, 07:38:38 PM
A lot of people, myself included, said this year would be a step back. A lot of people, myself included, said NIT bid.
I expect significant improvement next year. Top four in conference. Around a five or six seen in NCAA.
A lot of people have this expectation. If the Warriors don't meet these exceptions do they fire Wojo and start again?
I know, I know, the answer is "it depends." My expectation is that the Warriors are in and out of the Top 25 and a 4-7 seed in the tourney. Short of that . . .
I was very adamant that 9-9 would be enough earlier in the year. I'm less confident now than I was. At the time, I thought beating Seton Hall would be enough of a "signature win" (they were #13 at the time) but they have since taken some major steps back. If we go 9-9, the numbers say we should be in compared to other teams. What I think is holding us back is that our Q1 wins (Hall x2, @Crei, @Prov) are not being seen as impressive enough. The bracket pundits seem to prefer some teams that have less but better Q1 wins.
2-1 with a loss to a 3 seed in the BET and I feel like there's a shot but will likely be NIT
3-1 with a win against SJU in the first round and a loss to Nova/X in the 2nd round and I feel a little better but may still be NIT
3-1 with a win over the 3 seed and a loss to Nova/X in our 2nd BET game and we're dancing
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on February 24, 2018, 07:04:49 PM
Now that my anger has subsided and I have come off the ledge, I still have NCAA tournament hopes and we may not be as far out as I thought, but we absolutely must win the next 2 games and 1 and probably 2 games in the BET to get in. Lose any of the next 3 and it's NIT time. Does that Creighton win over Nova today help our RPI significantly since we beat Creighton or not really?
MU has not won 3 BE games in a row under wojo, so you think that is going to happen now???
Next year forward the expectation is NCAA Tournament every year. Of course there might be a one off year here or there, but we should be dancing just about every year and most years we should be doing so safely.
Next year specifically I expect top 4 in the BE and safely in the Tournament with a real chance to make the second weekend. Weird things happen so you never know, but we should have that potential and not just "our 3 shooters could all get red hot for 2 games," but more, "we're a top 20 team and if we play the way we have all year we could make a solid run."
The next year? Potential to be a top 10 team.
If we aren't anything making the Tournament the next two years it'll be time to move on as all that needs to be addressed is a single point guard and we should be where I think we can be.
I expect a Wojo to get it done.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2018, 07:52:11 PM
I was very adamant that 9-9 would be enough earlier in the year. I'm less confident now than I was. At the time, I thought beating Seton Hall would be enough of a "signature win" (they were #13 at the time) but they have since taken some major steps back. If we go 9-9, the numbers say we should be in compared to other teams. What I think is holding us back is that our Q1 wins (Hall x2, @Crei, @Prov) are not being seen as impressive enough. The bracket pundits seem to prefer some teams that have less but better Q1 wins.
2-1 with a loss to a 3 seed in the BET and I feel like there's a shot but will likely be NIT
3-1 with a win against SJU in the first round and a loss to Nova/X in the 2nd round and I feel a little better but may still be NIT
3-1 with a loss to Nova/X in our 2nd BET game and we're dancing
I'm confused. How are the 2nd/3rd scenarios different?
Quote from: #bansultan on February 24, 2018, 07:38:38 PM
A lot of people, myself included, said this year would be a step back. A lot of people, myself included, said NIT bid.
I expect significant improvement next year. Top four in conference. Around a five or six seen in NCAA.
Top 4 might be a stretch. Without a true PG this team will continue to struggle.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 24, 2018, 04:26:56 PM
Why do people keep saying our defense wasn't an issue?
Because they gave up an EFG of .398. The second best percentage all year. (Next to the first time they played DePaul.)
And they shot .474. The third worst percentage all year. (Next to Wichita and Georgia.)
I'm sure the reason they lost was OR%, but they have overcome that before with shooting. Not today.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 07:04:20 PM
When these are the expectations(regardless of circumstances), you know the program has taken a major nose dive. At Marquette, NIT appearances should be viewed as a major disappointment. Mike Deane once said that Marquette should be happy with NIT appearances, and that got him fired..Though back then, it was a different era for MU hoops, times HAD changed, until these last four years apparently...now we are back to the Mike Deane days, where NIT's should be celebrated. If you aren't in the NCAA's, the season was a disappointment, period. It's not like making the NCAA's is all that hard these days either. Not like it used to be anyway.
OK I get it. You are just a better fan because you DEMAND MORE on a message board. I EXPECT NOTHING SHORT OF A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT YEAR!!!!!
There. Now I'm a good fan!!!!
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 24, 2018, 08:02:55 PM
I'm confused. How are the 2nd/3rd scenarios different?
Ha, I didn't realize that they look like the same thing. I'll go back and specify. In the 3rd scenario I have us finishing with the 6 seed and beating the 3 seed.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 24, 2018, 08:12:56 PM
OK I get it. You are just a better fan because you DEMAND MORE on a message board. I EXPECT NOTHING SHORT OF A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT YEAR!!!!!
There. Now I'm a good fan!!!!
You never have been, nor will be a "good fan"...no matter what your expectations are. Don't worry, though I am only one voice, and one person, Bill Scholl knows my thoughts on it, and as a season ticket holder(and donor) for 14 years...I have told him losing is unacceptable. He may not care what I think(or if I pull my support), but it's not just message boards I demand more on..And if he hasn't paid attention to the poor student attendance the last couple of years, and the overall malaise from the fan base, the dropping of season tickets by many, he should, because there's only one reason for that...and even you should be able to figure out why that is Sultan.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 08:41:09 PM
You never have been, nor will be a "good fan"...
I know. I am so ashamed.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2018, 08:00:10 PM
Next year forward the expectation is NCAA Tournament every year. Of course there might be a one off year here or there, but we should be dancing just about every year and most years we should be doing so safely.
Next year specifically I expect top 4 in the BE and safely in the Tournament with a real chance to make the second weekend. Weird things happen so you never know, but we should have that potential and not just "our 3 shooters could all get red hot for 2 games," but more, "we're a top 20 team and if we play the way we have all year we could make a solid run."
The next year? Potential to be a top 10 team.
If we aren't anything making the Tournament the next two years it'll be time to move on as all that needs to be addressed is a single point guard and we should be where I think we can be.
I expect a Wojo to get it done.
I don't know. Even St. Johns, Georgetown and DePaul have bigger more athletic players. Adding Morrow, Joey and Bailey is not going to fix our defensive problems especially at guard.
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2018, 08:41:09 PM
You never have been, nor will be a "good fan"...no matter what your expectations are. Don't worry, though I am only one voice, and one person, Bill Scholl knows my thoughts on it, and as a season ticket holder(and donor) for 14 years...I have told him losing is unacceptable. He may not care what I think(or if I pull my support), but it's not just message boards I demand more on..And if he hasn't paid attention to the poor student attendance the last couple of years, and the overall malaise from the fan base, the dropping of season tickets by many, he should, because there's only one reason for that...and even you should be able to figure out why that is Sultan.
Scholl is a good guy and very understanding of the nuances of college sports. He is also smart and knows his relative standing in the greater scheme of Marquette historically, President>Basketball Coach> AD. You should address your grievance to either Wojo or Lovell.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 24, 2018, 08:03:25 PM
Top 4 might be a stretch. Without a true PG this team will continue to struggle.
This will be the excuse used next year should we fail to be Top 4 BE, and solid 4-6 seed in NCAA. Yet we'll have Junior, Markus Howard who absolutely can be a great PG, so long as he figures out that fine line of being a shot first/pass second PG - that the shoot first mentality not get TOO out of balance.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 24, 2018, 07:38:38 PM
A lot of people, myself included, said this year would be a step back. A lot of people, myself included, said NIT bid.
I expect significant improvement next year. Top four in conference. Around a five or six seen in NCAA.
Most reasonable post from you in a long time. #SixSeen
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 24, 2018, 04:26:56 PM
Why do people keep saying our defense wasn't an issue? We played DePaul. Defensive rebounding was atrocious (that's defense). Playing man without fouling was atrocious (that's defense). Obviously our offense was really bad but so was our d
Maybe it is the fact we only scored 62 points. DePaul only scored 70 points, which equaled the lowest amount of points we scored in the Big East this year up to today's game. We lost the game at the start of the second half when we settled for three point shots. We ran no real offense.
Quote from: bilsu on February 24, 2018, 09:37:18 PM
Maybe it is the fact we only scored 62 points. DePaul only scored 70 points, which equaled the lowest amount of points we scored in the Big East this year up to today's game. We lost the game at the start of the second half when we settled for three point shots. We ran no real offense.
Yup.
If we don't extend the game, we give up less than 70. If a poll were started 24 hours ago asking "If our D allows less than 70 do we win?" Can anyone honestly say that they think we lose?
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 24, 2018, 09:50:40 PM
If we don't extend the game, we give up less than 70. If a poll were started 24 hours ago asking "If our D allows less than 70 do we win?" Can anyone honestly say that they think we lose?
Also yup.
The defense was certainly not the issue.
And yet the defense was really bad. Rebounding. Defending without fouling etc. Bad. All bad
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2018, 10:09:15 PM
Also yup.
The defense was certainly not the issue.
But we shot a better 2PT Fg and 3PT FG%, and our eFG% was better...and still lost. Granted we weren't our prolific offensive juggernaut we usually are, but it would be nice to be able to win without the A+ Offensive game.
Our excessive fouling, borne out of the M2M midget defense, was a major factor in losing. Just as was our inability to clear the defensive board. Both of those components are part of playing defense.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 24, 2018, 07:38:38 PM
A lot of people, myself included, said this year would be a step back. A lot of people, myself included, said NIT bid.
I expect significant improvement next year. Top four in conference. Around a five or six seen in NCAA.
On October 5th in a thread titled "Expectations this year vs next" you wrote:
"I expect that we will struggle early, Scoop will melt down but that we will do well in the BE season and end up about where we were last year when all is said and done." Step back? NIT? Hmmm...appears instead that you were expecting a repeat of 2016-17 with a strong finish.
Regarding next year, you wrote:
"2018-19? Watch out..." Smaller nit to pick here, but for me anyway a 5 or 6 seed in the NCAA tournament is a little short of "watch out" territory.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 24, 2018, 10:20:22 PM
On October 5th in a thread titled "Expectations this year vs next" you wrote:
"I expect that we will struggle early, Scoop will melt down but that we will do well in the BE season and end up about where we were last year when all is said and done." Step back? NIT? Hmmm...appears instead that you were expecting a repeat of 2016-17 with a strong finish.
Regarding next year, you wrote:
"2018-19? Watch out..." Smaller nit to pick here, but for me anyway a 5 or 6 seed in the NCAA tournament is a little short of "watch out" territory.
This is pure gold Lenny...Sultan=BUSTED
There is no metric that you will find that will suggest our defense was an issue today.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 24, 2018, 09:30:08 PM
This will be the excuse used next year should we fail to be Top 4 BE, and solid 4-6 seed in NCAA. Yet we'll have Junior, Markus Howard who absolutely can be a great PG, so long as he figures out that fine line of being a shot first/pass second PG - that the shoot first mentality not get TOO out of balance.
Not just addressing this comment, but the whole "I'm not settling for losing" them some adopt.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2017/09/st-johns-most-likely-to-replace-mu-to.html
I picked us 72nd in the nation before this season, and even with today's loss, we are 53rd in kenpom. I don't see how you anyone would believe you improve or match a season in which you go from 6 to 2 upper classmen (though at the time of my projection we had Cheatham, so 3) - particularly losing Fischer inside (though the last several games of last year his shoulder seemed clearly an issue). I also don't see how anyone can believe going from 2 upper classman to 6 upper classmen next year does not make that the year.
This concept that fans "never settling for losing" somehow helps a team win seems like Alice and Wonderland to me. The more trashing of Crean, Buzz, Wojo, the students or whoever actually makes it more likely to fail to reach the next level because it creates a climate where the fans expectations are for Marquette to compete at the level of a Blue Blood program - and sorry we are not that. It seems to me some fans are still repeating 1991 when the young team was booed three years before delivering a Sweet 16 run.
We just came back from 16 down to win at Creighton, a place where Villanova lost today. Our incredibly young team has stumbled in some games but they also played as many regular season games against ranked teams (7) this season as Al McGuire faced in his first seven regular seasons combined (1 ranked team per season average) which includes the great NIT year in which Marquette didn't play a ranked team ever. (check me on the record book if I'm missing any).
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf
I love Marquette's history so much I wrote a whole book covering every season, but this isn't the old days when an independent school could hide out and play one ranked team a season and have a great record every year. There are many more programs striving for the top and we are on a great path with a great coach, conference, TV coverage and fantastic recruiting outside of 5 stars which the recent FBI report makes clear have been very hard to get away from a few schools - so since the National Championships we have had to win without the Scooter and Rodney McCrays who were lured away.
Sure, maybe Al could have convinced top players like Ayton to come to Marquette and have his 28 points and 18 rebounds tonight for us instead, but it wasn't going to happen with another program talking about $100,000 payments.
Now I'm not saying young Wojo doesn't make mistakes.
Cheatham did not need to play, but that took care of itself.
Another post has well documented that the www.kenpom.com ratings with either Howard or Rowsey on the court and the other on the bench have Marquette in the top 10 in the country, but with both on the court, the defense suffers so much that we are just decent. That would be a huge problem if both were sophomores, but in the final few days of Rowsey's career having them rotate before Howard is the man next year should not be an issue and gives Marquette a chance in every game. But criticism like Marquette not getting big enough the day after a team overpowers us is not long-term planning, that's reacting to one game where a matchup mismatch didn't go our way and ignoring when matchups lead to the dominant shooting.
We hit only 8 of 27 three-pointers when our normal percentage would result in 11 of 27 and winning the game. It happens in basketball. Move on. NIT seems likely to me now unless we win these last two and then two in the Big East - unlikely with either Xavier or Villanova as the second game we'd need to win in the tournament, but if we fall a little short of that I believe the NIT would be a nice experience to get ready for what should be a nice NCAA team next year and if held together a fantastic 2020 much like 1994 was after 4 years of building.
Anyone who believes that by saying they don't settle for the NIT makes the team better in any way has a pretty glorified position of their words impact on the program.
Still reminds me of when Nick Saban came to Alabama's campus after a tough several years for the program and some of the "supporters who didn't settle for losing" came up to start to talk with him as he walked to practice and Saban said, "I don't have time for this ######" and walked to practice and basically kept the back seat drivers out while he ran the program and ti worked out quite well, unfortunately for me as an Auburn fan.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 24, 2018, 10:20:22 PM
On October 5th in a thread titled "Expectations this year vs next" you wrote:
"I expect that we will struggle early, Scoop will melt down but that we will do well in the BE season and end up about where we were last year when all is said and done." Step back? NIT? Hmmm...appears instead that you were expecting a repeat of 2016-17 with a strong finish.
Regarding next year, you wrote:
"2018-19? Watch out..." Smaller nit to pick here, but for me anyway a 5 or 6 seed in the NCAA tournament is a little short of "watch out" territory.
In the poll that was posted around that time, I voted NIT.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55000.msg967923#msg967923
And here is what I said after Lindenwood.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=post;msg=958051;topic=54746.75
Here is what I said after Purdue.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54299.msg930004#msg930004
So I guess you could blame me for being inconsistent.
I have also change my signature and forum profile to make my expectations for next year very clear. So that Lennys won't have to go through the effort of a search next year.
Quote from: auburnmarquette on February 25, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
Not just addressing this comment, but the whole "I'm not settling for losing" them some adopt.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2017/09/st-johns-most-likely-to-replace-mu-to.html
I picked us 72nd in the nation before this season, and even with today's loss, we are 53rd in kenpom. I don't see how you anyone would believe you improve or match a season in which you go from 6 to 2 upper classmen (though at the time of my projection we had Cheatham, so 3) - particularly losing Fischer inside (though the last several games of last year his shoulder seemed clearly an issue). I also don't see how anyone can believe going from 2 upper classman to 6 upper classmen next year does not make that the year.
This concept that fans "never settling for losing" somehow helps a team win seems like Alice and Wonderland to me. The more trashing of Crean, Buzz, Wojo, the students or whoever actually makes it more likely to fail to reach the next level because it creates a climate where the fans expectations are for Marquette to compete at the level of a Blue Blood program - and sorry we are not that. It seems to me some fans are still repeating 1991 when the young team was booed three years before delivering a Sweet 16 run.
We just came back from 16 down to win at Creighton, a place where Villanova lost today. Our incredibly young team has stumbled in some games but they also played as many regular season games against ranked teams (7) this season as Al McGuire faced in his first seven regular seasons combined (1 ranked team per season average) which includes the great NIT year in which Marquette didn't play a ranked team ever. (check me on the record book if I'm missing any).
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf
I love Marquette's history so much I wrote a whole book covering every season, but this isn't the old days when an independent school could hide out and play one ranked team a season and have a great record every year. There are many more programs striving for the top and we are on a great path with a great coach, conference, TV coverage and fantastic recruiting outside of 5 stars which the recent FBI report makes clear have been very hard to get away from a few schools - so since the National Championships we have had to win without the Scooter and Rodney McCrays who were lured away.
Sure, maybe Al could have convinced top players like Ayton to come to Marquette and have his 28 points and 18 rebounds tonight for us instead, but it wasn't going to happen with another program talking about $100,000 payments.
Now I'm not saying young Wojo doesn't make mistakes.
Cheatham did not need to play, but that took care of itself.
Another post has well documented that the www.kenpom.com ratings with either Howard or Rowsey on the court and the other on the bench have Marquette in the top 10 in the country, but with both on the court, the defense suffers so much that we are just decent. That would be a huge problem if both were sophomores, but in the final few days of Rowsey's career having them rotate before Howard is the man next year should not be an issue and gives Marquette a chance in every game. But criticism like Marquette not getting big enough the day after a team overpowers us is not long-term planning, that's reacting to one game where a matchup mismatch didn't go our way and ignoring when matchups lead to the dominant shooting.
We hit only 8 of 27 three-pointers when our normal percentage would result in 11 of 27 and winning the game. It happens in basketball. Move on. NIT seems likely to me now unless we win these last two and then two in the Big East - unlikely with either Xavier or Villanova as the second game we'd need to win in the tournament, but if we fall a little short of that I believe the NIT would be a nice experience to get ready for what should be a nice NCAA team next year and if held together a fantastic 2020 much like 1994 was after 4 years of building.
Anyone who believes that by saying they don't settle for the NIT makes the team better in any way has a pretty glorified position of their words impact on the program.
Still reminds me of when Nick Saban came to Alabama's campus after a tough several years for the program and some of the "supporters who didn't settle for losing" came up to start to talk with him as he walked to practice and Saban said, "I don't have time for this ######" and walked to practice and basically kept the back seat drivers out while he ran the program and ti worked out quite well, unfortunately for me as an Auburn fan.
An adult, mature, big picture perspective.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2018, 10:48:59 PM
There is no metric that you will find that will suggest our defense was an issue today.
33 FTs yielded. 19 offensive rebounds yielded. We won the eFG battle.
FTs are yielded when a team is playing defense, correct?
Whatda y'all gonna say wen Wojo potentially pees down his leg again next season, hey?
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 25, 2018, 07:49:24 AM
33 FTs yielded. 19 offensive rebounds yielded. We won the eFG battle.
FTs are yielded when a team is playing defense, correct?
Thank you. Why are people acting like fg% is the only measurement for defense?
I mean stats aside; does anyone think we actually played well defensively?! Was our offense the bigger issue? Sure. But does that mean defense wasn't an issue? No
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2018, 07:53:26 AM
Whatda y'all gonna say wen Wojo potentially pees down his leg again next season, hey?
If next season is a failure, I think it will be time to move on. There are some positive signs and some negative signs, but he's spent 4 years building toward next year's team. If it succeeds, great. If not, then it's time to let MU know where I stand. Doubt my voice carries much weight, but that's my personal perspective.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2018, 08:58:20 AM
If next season is a failure, I think it will be time to move on. There are some positive signs and some negative signs, but he's spent 4 years building toward next year's team. If it succeeds, great. If not, then it's time to let MU know where I stand. Doubt my voice carries much weight, but that's my personal perspective.
The next 2 years there will be experienced talent on the team, if he can add a piece to that both years they will be even be better. So lets see how he coaches that.
Most teams in the league have senior leadership from more than 1 senior on there team. If Wojo can not be in the upper part of league next 2 years he then for
sure is the wrong coach. Lets see if he can make Howard a point guard, that might be the key move next year. They may get a grad transfer but if they do he better
be a big guard, not a smallish point.
If they had won yesterday,and split the next two,would everybody feel as bad as they do now?
Quote from: WayOfTheWarrior on February 24, 2018, 01:22:12 PM
Waiting to hear from 5J, but he has stuck with 9-9 and I'm sticking with it too. Bubble is soft this year. Clearly this garbage loss doesn't help but not counting us out.
Sorry have stayed away from this place. Soul crushing loss.
I still think 9-9 should get us to Dayton.
Quote from: Henry the 6th Kings on February 25, 2018, 09:46:44 AM
If they had won yesterday,and split the next two,would everybody feel as bad as they do now?
No...not even close...this was DePaul, a dumpster fire of a program, that they just lost to, giving them their first win at home in BE play. This is the equivalent of losing to an Omaha, or Maine, or Savannah State. It should never happen(but it has too many times).
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 24, 2018, 07:12:55 PM
It hurts cuz we lost to Nova twice.
Not really. Could give MU a Q1 win opportunity next Saturday.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 25, 2018, 07:06:57 AM
I have also change my signature and forum profile to make my expectations for next year very clear. So that Lennys won't have to go through the effort of a search next year.
Good plan - that way you won't "misremember" like you did this year.
The money MU spends on its BB program and this is the product?
WOW!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 25, 2018, 12:50:38 PM
Good plan - that way you won't "misremember" like you did this year.
No I know how a voted when polled. Didn't misremember anything.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 25, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
Sorry have stayed away from this place. Soul crushing loss.
I still think 9-9 should get us to Dayton.
Is this with 2 in the BEAST
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2018, 07:53:26 AM
Whatda y'all gonna say wen Wojo potentially pees down his leg again next season, hey?
Define "pee down his leg?"
- No NCAA Tournament - Recommend his termination.
- NCAA Tournament and 1st round loss - Depends upon circumstances. If it is a blow-out loss to a lower seed, I'd recommend his termination. Nail-biter loss to a lower or higher seed, I'd recommend another year.
- 1st round win or better - Recommend another year.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2018, 01:10:16 PM
Define "pee down his leg?"
- No NCAA Tournament - Recommend his termination.
- NCAA Tournament and 1st round loss - Depends upon circumstances. If it is a blow-out loss to a lower seed, I'd recommend his termination. Nail-biter loss to a lower or higher seed, I'd recommend another year.
- 1st round win or better - Recommend another year.
#crapshoot
Quote from: Henry the 6th Kings on February 25, 2018, 09:46:44 AM
If they had won yesterday,and split the next two,would everybody feel as bad as they do now?
Much rather lose at @Georgetown that @DePaul. DePaul is just a bad loss no matter how you dice it up. To call @DePaul a road game is a stretch.
Smilar to comments on other threads, for the 2018-2019 season I expect:
- In or near Top 25 all season;
- A solid recruiting class for the 2019-2020 season;
- Significant improvement for this year's freshman;
- 6 seed or better in the NCAA Tournament; and
- 1 win in the tournament (at least).
I'll acknowledge the tourney is #crapshoot (strange losses and wins happen), but after 5 years and a few metric tons of money (including some of my own), I expect better results from Marquette men's basketball.
Sadly, I know which way I am betting . . .
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2018, 01:25:03 PM
Smilar to comments on other threads, for the 2018-2019 season I expect:
- In or near Top 25 all season;
- A solid recruiting class for the 2019-2020 season;
- Significant improvement for this year's freshman;
- 6 seed or better in the NCAA Tournament; and
- 1 win in the tournament (at least).
I'll acknowledge the tourney is #crapshoot (strange losses and wins happen), but after 5 years and a few metric tons of money (including some of my own), I expect better results from Marquette men's basketball.
Sadly, I know which way I am betting . . .
I have similar expectations for next year to be considered a success (see my signature below)...no more excuses for Wojo.
Unfortunately I'm also bracing myself for 1-2 seemingly inevitable transfers this offseason which will affect our depth).
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2018, 01:10:16 PM
Define "pee down his leg?"
- No NCAA Tournament - Recommend his termination.
- NCAA Tournament and 1st round loss - Depends upon circumstances. If it is a blow-out loss to a lower seed, I'd recommend his termination. Nail-biter loss to a lower or higher seed, I'd recommend another year.
- 1st round win or better - Recommend another year.
Weird.
I know that if Wojo/MU won the Big East and got blown out in the first round of the tourney, I wouldn't "recommend his termination." To each their own, I suppose.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 25, 2018, 01:53:01 PM
Weird.
I know that if Wojo/MU won the Big East and got blown out in the first round of the tourney, I wouldn't "recommend his termination." To each their own, I suppose.
I'll ponder that scenario. My initial reaction is that winning the BET is nice, but ultimately, I primarily care about NCAA tournament success. I'm 50-50 on that scenario.
Conversely, I would gladly exchange a BET Title for a Sweet 16. In fact, in every season going forward I would gladly lose the first round BET game for a Sweet 16 (or better).
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2018, 02:43:27 PM
I'll ponder that scenario. My initial reaction is that winning the BET is nice, but ultimately, I primarily care about NCAA tournament success. I'm 50-50 on that scenario.
Conversely, I would gladly exchange a BET Title for a Sweet 16. In fact, in every season going forward I would gladly lose the first round BET game for a Sweet 16 (or better).
+1000 It's all about the tourney...right or wrong, crapshoot or not, that's what gets Coaches paid and/or fired. Tourney success is how you are measured.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2018, 02:43:27 PM
I'll ponder that scenario. My initial reaction is that winning the BET is nice, but ultimately, I primarily care about NCAA tournament success. I'm 50-50 on that scenario.
Conversely, I would gladly exchange a BET Title for a Sweet 16. In fact, in every season going forward I would gladly lose the first round BET game for a Sweet 16 (or better).
I don't think anyone was referring to the BET, they were referring to winning the Big East. If Marquette went 27-6 (14-4, 1-1 BET) and won the league, earned a 3-seed in the NCAAs, and lost to a 14-seed in an upset, would anyone be clamoring for his firing?
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
+1000 It's all about the tourney...right or wrong, crapshoot or not, that's what gets Coaches paid and/or fired. Tourney success is how you are measured.
+100000000
https://bustingbrackets.com/2018/02/25/marquette-basketball-ncaa-tournament-hopes-not/?utm_source=bleacherreport&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=bleacherreport
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
I don't think anyone was referring to the BET, they were referring to winning the Big East. If Marquette went 27-6 (14-4, 1-1 BET) and won the league, earned a 3-seed in the NCAAs, and lost to a 14-seed in an upset, would anyone be clamoring for his firing?
Apparently, the (sad) answer is "yes"
Quote from: #bansultan on February 25, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
No I know how a voted when polled. Didn't misremember anything.
You say you know how you voted. We all absolutely know what you posted. Whether we paralleled last year or took a step back, whether we had a strong BE record or not, whether we made the NCAA or the NIT - you're right, according to you. LOL.
Quote from: Marquette4life on February 25, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Is this with 2 in the BEAST
No. I do think if MU ends up with the 7 seed at 9-9 they need to win that first game. If they beat DePaul/SJU And then lose to Villanova, I think they would have a pretty decent shot at Dayton. Beat Villanova as well and they are for sure in.
Get the 6 seed and lose to whoever the three seed ends up being, I think they have a good shot at Dayton. Win that game and they're for sure in.
Probably a tall task To accomplish any of those scenarios, But it is still theoretically possible.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 25, 2018, 06:03:33 PM
You say you know how you voted. We all absolutely know what you posted. Whether we paralleled last year or took a step back, whether we had a strong BE record or not, whether we made the NCAA or the NIT - you're right, according to you. LOL.
I see I've become your new obsession now that Chico's is gone.
Very odd. But whatever.
Quote from: muguru on February 25, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
+1000 It's all about the tourney...right or wrong, crapshoot or not, that's what gets Coaches paid and/or fired. Tourney success is how you are measured.
Nah. I don't know of any coach that gets fired just losing for in the first round of the tournament if they led their team to a high seed.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 25, 2018, 09:26:53 PM
I see I've become your new obsession now that Chico's is gone.
Very odd. But whatever.
Wrong again. Twice.
1. Chico isn't gone.
2. Obsessed? With you? LOL. You told a fib to sound smart and got caught. The least someone who calls people liars without any evidence should do when caught lying himself is show a little humility. Not in your DNA, I guess.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 26, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Wrong again. Twice.
1. Chico isn't gone.
2. Obsessed? With you? LOL. You told a fib to sound smart and got caught. The least someone who calls people liars without any evidence should do when caught lying himself is show a little humility. Not in your DNA, I guess.
Congrats stalker.
You win the internet.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 25, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
Sorry have stayed away from this place. Soul crushing loss.
I still think 9-9 should get us to Dayton.
I did the same, JJJJJJJJJJJ. I felt down enough after the loss; didn't need to have that multiplied x1000. Had a great rest of the weekend, including a big win in the state tournament for the HS team I assistant coach!
On topic: Not feeling good about our NCAA chances. I just have a feeling this loss will really stick out to the committee when they're choosing their final teams:
This one, that one or Marquette. Well, this one did this; that one did that; and Marquette got rolled at DePaul in a must-win game.
I don't really know if that's the kind of discussion that goes on in the room or not, but I just don't feel good about this, even at 9-9.
Obviously the DePaul loss is bad. Here's a look at the worst losses for teams on the bubble, from Bracket Matrix's Last Eight In to First Eight Out.
NC State: 81 UNC-Greensboro (H, Q3), 142 Northern Iowa (N, Q3)
Kansas State: 76 Tulsa (H, Q3)
Providence: 152 Minnesota (H, Q3), 234 UMass (A, Q3), 176 DePaul (H, Q4)
USC: 224 Princeton (H, Q4)
St. Bonaventure: 187 St. Joseph's (A, Q3), 164 Niagara (H, Q4)
Texas: No Q3/Q4 losses
Louisville: No Q3/Q4 losses
Baylor: No Q3/Q4 losses
UCLA: 79 Colorado (H, Q3), 163 Oregon State (A, Q3)
Syracuse: 139 Wake Forest (A, Q3), 162 Georgia Tech (A, Q3)
Marquette: 176 DePaul (A, Q3)
Utah: 129 UNLV (N, Q3)
Washington: 83 Stanford (H, Q3), 163 Oregon State (A, Q3)
LSU: 156 Stephen F Austin (H, Q3)
Mississippi State: No Q3/Q4 losses
Boise State: 115 Iowa State (N, Q3), 149 Utah State (A, Q3)
good stuff, thanks Brew
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 26, 2018, 08:51:03 AM
Obviously the DePaul loss is bad. Here's a look at the worst losses for teams on the bubble, from Bracket Matrix's Last Eight In to First Eight Out.
NC State: 81 UNC-Greensboro (H, Q3), 142 Northern Iowa (N, Q3)
Kansas State: 76 Tulsa (H, Q3)
Providence: 152 Minnesota (H, Q3), 234 UMass (A, Q3), 176 DePaul (H, Q4)
USC: 224 Princeton (H, Q4)
St. Bonaventure: 187 St. Joseph's (A, Q3), 164 Niagara (H, Q4)
Texas: No Q3/Q4 losses
Louisville: No Q3/Q4 losses
Baylor: No Q3/Q4 losses
UCLA: 79 Colorado (H, Q3), 163 Oregon State (A, Q3)
Syracuse: 139 Wake Forest (A, Q3), 162 Georgia Tech (A, Q3)
Marquette: 176 DePaul (A, Q3)
Utah: 129 UNLV (N, Q3)
Washington: 83 Stanford (H, Q3), 163 Oregon State (A, Q3)
LSU: 156 Stephen F Austin (H, Q3)
Mississippi State: No Q3/Q4 losses
Boise State: 115 Iowa State (N, Q3), 149 Utah State (A, Q3)
Thanks for adding some perspective, brew.
Providence sure is interesting. Two huge wins - X and Nova. But 3 ugly losses. Not to mention the home loss to us. Gonna be interesting to see what the committee does with them.