The Warriors will prevail against the Redmen. MSG - Al's other home court.
The TERROR FROM NEENAH for at least one of the SOTG's today.
GO WARRIORS!!!!!!
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Figurin' da game's in Queens, hey?
Won't able to see on tv not available for me. Will have to follow on espn app on phone 😤
MSG fookin' shrunk, hey?
Pretty sure that was a goal tend. Sacar's shot looked to hit backboard first.
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 11:08:02 AM
Pretty sure that was a goal tend. Sacar's shot looked to hit backboard first.
I thought so too.
But man are we playing terrible
up 3 off of 2 desperation heaves
The good sign is...winning while playing poorly
Well Rowsey can hit some long assed 3s today.
Nice start. I found the game on Comcast in Chicago through the apps section. Sports. And it was there! Go Marquette!
Glad Harry's checking in. Low post scoring should be there for him
I have never seen Hauser almost make a bad pass, realize it, but still make what ended up being a terrible pass
https://www.reddit.com/r/ncaaBBallStreams/comments/7wm9xc/game_thread_st_johns_vs_marquette_1200_pm_est/
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
Glad Harry's checking in. Low post scoring should be there for him
First time with the ball wasn't good.
Yikes
Frohlings move looked like a drive in a bad sports movie where a football player also plays basketball
Well the press break worked well.
Back to back dumb plays. Harry then GE
Can we grab the damn ball!!!!???
Just missed two chances at rebounds jeez
Not aggressive on rebounds. We need to get after them.
It seems like the only person Hauser yells at is Frohling and he seems to do it a lot. Usually warranted
Anyone else feel like we could be up double digits right now??
We look a bit unsure of ourselves so far. Very tentative to not screw up. Should be up double figures.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 11:18:44 AM
Anyone else feel like we could be up double digits right now??
Could go either way.
If we weren't so sloppy we could be rolling.
But also with how bad everyone outside Rowsey is right now, being up 3 is remarkable as well
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 11:18:44 AM
Anyone else feel like we could be up double digits right now??
I do. Thought we missed some opportunities with how sloppy St. John's has been.
That wasn't a travel.
Our offense unsustainable...bombs at the buzzer and only from 30. Doesn't bode well
Rowsey
100 Centers dunknthat ball. Heldt passes out
shoot the lay up, matt
The Big men gotta start going up with confidence
Sam another bad pass
Rowsey up. Howard down. Never understand it
Well that was a terrible shot rowsey
Rowsey heat check gives them
2 free points
Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2018, 11:23:05 AM
shoot the lay up, matt
I'm ok with that. He is not confident with Owen's there. Tried to pump fake him...didn't bite. Kick it back out.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on February 10, 2018, 11:24:15 AM
Well that was a terrible shot rowsey
Made up for it with the patented move
When rowseys shooting like this there is no terrible shot
Sam terrible. That's two passes to St John's players leading to baskets.
Too many blocked layups, losing 50/50 balls, turnovers.
Calm down....Rowsey playing great, but don't want the hero ball stuff, which he is doing now. Play as team and just stop the dumb turnovers.
My god StJ plays a lot of garbage ball
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 11:25:42 AM
When rowseys shooting like this there is no terrible shot
The one shot was brutal.
Otherwise he's been the saving grace
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Sam terrible. That's two passes to St John's players leading to baskets.
Too many blocked layups, losing 50/50 balls, turnovers.
Calm down....Rowsey playing great, but don't want the hero ball stuff, which he is doing now. Play as team and just stop the dumb turnovers.
If we're talking about the Sacar give back to Rowsey that was a great move.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Sam terrible. That's two passes to St John's players leading to baskets.
Technically they assigned one of Sam's bad passes as a turnover for Howard.
We are doing good at getting 1 stop every time we get up 4.
Unfortunately we cant score or stop them after that so it gets back to 2.
Avoiding giving them a huge run so far is key
Is Cain able to slash or put it on the floor at all? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 11:28:31 AM
Is Cain able to slash or put it on the floor at all? I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
He's done it some this year. He just doesn't have the tightest handle, or strength to do it consistently.
Any sighting of Theo so far? I didn't see him on the bench at the last TV timeout.
Rowsey another foul drawn
Really bad foul by Simon
Notthething...same result
Quote from: skianth16 on February 10, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
Any sighting of Theo so far? I didn't see him on the bench at the last TV timeout.
Probably in bed
Cain dribbles with his left hand, usually 2-3 dribbles. If there is a lane, he goes to the rack. If not, he pulls up.
Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
Cain dribbles with his left hand, usually 2-3 dribbles. If there is a lane, he goes to the rack. If not, he pulls up.
We need someone to penetrate this D. Maybe Anim gets going
Up 7 with the ball and 2 horrible possessions.
Rowsey saving the day so far
Good lord Markus
Howard can't shoot today...because Rowsey can
St. John's starting to put their heads down and drive to the rack. Danger time for MU's defense. And too much standing around on offense.
This is the least athletic MU has looked all year
Hauser didn't even try to help on the drive.
Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2018, 11:35:57 AM
St. John's starting to put their heads down and drive to the rack. Danger time for MU's defense. And too much standing around on offense.
pack the paint and win. it's literally that easy
Dangerously close to getting destroyed
You can have 1 guy with the other 7 looking like JV players
Our last five offensive possessions have been dreadful. If you are not strong with the ball the johnnies will take it from you. Our guards need to penetrate, St. John's is overplaying everything
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 10, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
pack the paint and win. it's literally that easy
We also need to hit our open shots. Howard is 0-3 on wide open looks.
Also need to draw fouls. St. John's fouls more than any other team, we have only drawn 4 fouls so far.
And the fouls start, knew it was too good to be true. They have fouled on four out of last five possessions. Now Sacar and Heldt in trouble.
No Wojo timeout after 8-0 run surprised me, they needed it.
Offense brutal, running clock down and then chuck up a shot with second to go.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 10, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
pack the paint and win. it's literally that easy
Yup. Gotta pack it in. Should be an easy call.
Maybe some anointed Sacar a little early. Long way to go yet.
Alright Rowsey stop
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2018, 11:41:02 AM
Alright Rowsey stop
He must take that shot every single time, and twice on Sundays.
2 on Owens
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 11:41:41 AM
He must take that shot every single time, and twice on Sundays.
Please don't coach
Post Harry up. It's there
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2018, 11:42:16 AM
Please don't coach
Wide open 3, dribbling to the left. Rowsey shoots about 60% on that shot, that is an eFG% of 90%. That would be the equivalent of 2.7 ppp.
100% of coaches in America would scream at him if he passed that up.
why is Sacar in the game with 2 fouls?
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 11:45:15 AM
Wide open 3, dribbling to the left. Rowsey shoots about 60% on that shot, that is an eFG% of 90%. That would be the equivalent of 2.7 ppp.
100% of coaches in America would scream at him if he passed that up.
Dude he literally got pulled for that shot.
The announcers called it bad
They showed Wojo talking to him
What in the actual fu ck are you watching?
He took it from 40 feet
Markus
Jesus, Markus looks sick
Shot clock awareness low for MU today
Someone is gonna have to guard Ponds
Frustrating half. No where near up to our potential
Ponds has nba quick...need to knock him off game and hope we compensate for his 30
Wojo has got to devise a way to get the little guys open. Pick n pop has been scouted. 3 man weave up top is stale. Ball movement is hectic and inefficient. Coach needs to earn his salary in 2nd half.
Keep playing zone! I don't think they have scored on our zone.
Too man turnovers and need aggressive rebounding. We are in this game. If someone other than Rowsey and Hauser can score in half two we can win this one
Quote from: Smokin' Jae on February 10, 2018, 11:47:48 AM
Jesus, Markus looks sick
Wonder if he is getting the flu. I guess Theo is still sick.
This could be really bad if johnnies could hit the 3. Play zone, pack it in, hope the don't get hot.
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2018, 11:50:47 AM
Keep playing zone! I don't think they have scored on our zone.
Preach! I thought the zone looked pretty good.
We did this against Brunson too. Switch our big guy onto Ponds with no resistance on the screen and provide no help. I don't understand it.
We should be winning this game by 10 points. Howard has a penchant for trying to get himself going at the worst possible times.
For some reason, I like our chances in this one.
Only 3 players for MU have scored - need more balance
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 10, 2018, 11:51:22 AM
Wonder if he is getting the flu. I guess Theo is still sick.
If Theo is sick, shouldn't they consider not having him on the bench and I'm such close proximity to the other guys? Seems like a no brainer to me.
Well, we knew before hand had to stop Ponds. He has 17 of STJ 34 points.
Two fouls on Simon and Owens, need to get them 3 early, very early.
Rowsey has taken 13 of MU's 29 shots, he is 5 for 13 and has 19 of MU's 32. A lot of bad shots though and one miracle. MU 4 for 13 from three
MU up 26-19 and Cain makes a dumb travel, went downhill from there with STJ on 15-6 run, with MU fouling, turnovers, etc. Stated earlier, thought Wojo should have called timeout.
MU seems to be letting clock run down and then shooting with seconds on clock, don't get it.
A lot of time, get them in foul trouble and please stop the dumb turnovers
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2018, 11:47:10 AM
Dude he literally got pulled for that shot.
The announcers called it bad
They showed Wojo talking to him
What in the actual fu ck are you watching?
He took it from 40 feet
You clearly are not paying attention. Pick left him wide open dribbling left, shot it from about 24 feet. They design the offense for shots just like that.
Announcers did not call it a bad shot, called it "off the mark" and his first "bad miss" meaning it wasn't in and out.
Coach didn't pull him for that, it was part of a planned substitution at under 4.
Rewatched it, it is 100% as I remembered and stated.
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 11:55:51 AM
You clearly are not paying attention. Pick left him wide open dribbling left, shot it from about 24 feet. They design the offense for shots just like that.
Announcers did not call it a bad shot, called it "off the mark" and his first "bad miss" meaning it wasn't in and out.
Coach didn't pull him for that, it was part of a planned substitution at under 4.
Rewatched it, it is 100% as I remembered and stated.
Hahahahhahahahaha please stop.
He literally pulled him and took him aside.
The announcers called the shot bad the moment he took it.
And for you to say that's the shot you want EVERY SINGLE time in a game is psychotic.
Any team loses by 30 every game if they only take that shot with 40% shooters
We just need to make shots. We left 10-12 point on the board simply by missing shots we should, and normally do make.
My guess is we shoot better than 31% from 3, and better than 35% from the floor the rest of the way. If we do, we should win.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 10, 2018, 11:58:28 AM
Any team loses by 30 every game if they only take that shot with 40% shooters
Do you realize that 40% from 3 is a 60% eFG%, and that eFG% would win us every single game?
Might need to put you on ignore with Mayfair.
Fourth blocked layup, three on Sacar trying, then Heldt come out to foul line area to guard, and Howard gets caught on Owens. Now a good timeout. What an ugly start.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
Fourth blocked layup, three on Sacar trying, then Heldt come out to foul line area to guard, and Howard gets caught on Owens. Now a good timeout. What an ugly start.
Definitely not the start to the 2nd half I was expecting.
Owens shooting 3's is something we want...of course he makes it.
Hauser having a dreadful defensive game. Nobody looks to pass when they drive to the basket.
that was one of the worst passes I have ever seen
Everyone who said zone zone zone was right
Quote from: MUEng92 on February 10, 2018, 12:11:05 PM
that was one of the worst passes I have ever seen
He should have kept it and attacked the hoop.
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 12:00:51 PM
Do you realize that 40% from 3 is a 60% eFG%, and that eFG% would win us every single game?
Might need to put you on ignore with Mayfair.
He's a Rowsey hater. Always has been. He hated Carlino as well.
WE ARE PLAYING SO SCARED
Freshmen playing like freshmen on this road trip.
Not protecting the ball. Need to value each possession and we are running out of coins nitrile. Settle down
My Goodness, that's the fifth terrible pass that's been a turnover leading to 10 STJ points. Almost impossible. Just literally handing them the ball.
Our Sophomores aren't playing well either. I'm going to say it's a combination of youth and sickness that prevented MU from going to the tourney. Oh yeah and the refs
Maybe it's recentcy but the number of colossally stupid passes MU has made this season is mind numbing and I can't remember a season with so many by so many different players.
Guess I won't be giving up swearing for Lent this year
Still have a top 13 offense though.
Seriously, can we go back to fundamentals. These turnovers are terrible
Nic pick fro
Inadvertent whistle, that was signified a foul at first on the floor? Wow.
We should have 4 on Owens now.
Elliot don't be an idiot
Chance to tie and GE does THAT? WTF
And that would be the ultimate freshman play by Elliott
Any dumb thing you can do I can do dumber....
Well, offense is the problem again.
Everything is hard for MU today. Look bad
We are missing open 3's and they are making congested ones. Not a good sign.
They are playing tougher and harder right now.
Welp, Rowsey the only person who came to play today.
#leagueme
Maybe the dumbest hashtag out there.
Howard really struggling. As Jim Rome says "shooters gotta keep shooting"
Wednesday night hoops at MSG a Wojo tradition. #wereyoung #weresick #therefshateus
I never want to see Heldt or Froling attempt to guard someone on the perimeter ever again
Quote from: MUpilot on February 10, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
#leagueme
Maybe the dumbest hashtag out there.
Howard really struggling. As Jim Rome says "shooters gotta keep shooting"
He had already determined that he was going to shoot off that curl long before the pass was coming to him, open or not. Self-inflicted
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 10, 2018, 12:25:56 PM
He had already determined that he was going to shoot off that curl long before the pass was coming to him, open or not. Self-inflicted
+1,000,000
F***in Frustrating
When good things happen out of timeouts on designed plays, Wojo never gets credit.
Great design to go to Hauser instead there.
That was a travel, no foul.
no review on rowsey getting hit in the head?
Ponds has some of the worst form on a guard I've ever seen. Apparently it works for him though.
STJ has got to be tired
Absolute garbage ball
Can someone tell me where the foul was on the last two Ponds drives?
Is it that difficult to figure out.. ponds, that's the team. Let someone else beat you.
Great pass by Rowsey
Hauser hauser hauser shoot
Stop. Switching.
Slow feet
Zero defensive IQ.
ZONE. My fucking god, they are just playing iso ball on every one of our guys and we can't do crap about it
I'm so sick of every team shooting 89 percent from the floor against Marquette.
We can't get s defensive stop to save our lives, as usual. Ponds is unreal right now
I can't think of any other interest in my life that causes me to hate life as much as being a sports fan. I need to find more interests
Ponds was 0-12 against Butler. Since then (Duke, Xavier, Nova, us), he has been next-level unbelievable.
Drive like crazy at Clark.
Quote from: Afroman on February 10, 2018, 12:36:21 PM
I'm so sick of every team shooting 89 percent from the floor against Marquette.
Do you think it's luck or possibly a trend?
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on February 10, 2018, 12:35:13 PM
Stop. Switching.
I don't understand this strategy. They aren't even setting good screens and we are giving up the switch right away.
Quote from: Smokin' Jae on February 10, 2018, 12:36:14 PM
ZONE. My unnatural carnal knowledgeing god, they are just playing iso ball on every one of our guys and we can't do crap about it
We went zone and they scored on like 4 straight possesions. And our guards stop nobody in man to man
SJU an unfathomable 13-15 this half
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 10, 2018, 12:37:43 PM
I don't understand this strategy. They aren't even setting good screens and we are giving up the switch right away.
You guys hate the hedge too.
We just give them what they want every time down by switching a big onto Ponds.
Can we please stop doing that?
Soon wojo will have that top 13 offense along with 11 losses this year.
Get it together
But, again, offense is the problem today. Shooting and TOs, specifically
Down 3,then foul, foul, foul.
Hauser hot and then Rowsey, oh well....what was that.
No defense, STJ is like 12 for 15 in second half?... 13 straight for Ponds with Owens on bench last 10 minutes
As much as l love shooters, Wojo needs to place defense at priority #1 from a recruiting standpoint. Never in my life have I found the phrase "offense wins games, defense wins championships" more true. Sure it's been fun to see 52 point performances and lots of 30 + point performances. But none of it means a thing when you can't make the tourney.
I'd love to know what that ref was saying up in Rowseys face.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 10, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
As much as l love shooters, Wojo needs to place defense at priority #1 from a recruiting standpoint. Never in my life have I found the phrase "offense wins games, defense wins championships" more true. Sure it's been fun to see 52 point performances and lots of 30 + point performances. But none of it means a thing when you can't make the tourney.
You must not have been here for the Derrick Wilson-led offense.
Lmao
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 10, 2018, 12:38:09 PM
You guys hate the hedge too.
I'm fine with the hedge. We just give them Ponds in isolation against one of our bigs with no help.
We've shot 0 FT's this half.
Now if we loose woj will have an excuse.. my big fouled out, and Theo is sick.
I'd advise Heldt to turn pro after this season.
It's funny I had MU 14-11 at this point through the schedule. MU is young and I'm really encouraged by the progress of our D
Sacar, Greg and Jamal are ZEROS on offense and none are playing good defense. Useless.
How are they in the double bonus and we're not even in the bonus at this point.
F***** A, Harry.
Yeah good luck to Froling trying to play professionally in Australia after this year
Fro couldn't dunk a donut
Hard to win games when you miss about 7-8 layups in the game.
Well, I really appreciate all the boo birds showing up again.
Anyway, Froling with that miss? Clearly not our day
I expect to see a wide open layup at my daughter's CYM game in 2 hours not during a men's division 1 college game
I don't even have a problem with froling missing that layup, I have a huge fucking problem with that stupid ass look on his face every time something doesn't go his way
Froling...........That is all
Mother f-in BUNNIES!!!!!!!!
bring in bench players for a hack-a-johnnie defense. seriously.
Ha, announcer says Wojo said we miss a lot of short ones because we are so young. Give it up Wojo, Harry missed one that a red player would make. Can't wait till next year with the no young no more excuses.
Amazing move and refusal to dunk the fucking ball
Morrow and Theo next year,No t going to see a lot of Harry or Matt
Howard has been ugly the last 7 minutes.
Howard's tunnel vision is dreadful
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 10, 2018, 12:47:34 PM
Amazing move and refusal to dunk the unnatural carnal knowledgeing ball
Dude can't dunk. Maybe with a 20 foot running start
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 10, 2018, 12:45:45 PM
Well, I really appreciate all the boo birds showing up again.
Anyway, Froling with that miss? Clearly not our day
Froling with that miss.....BOO!
Let's get it in the NIT
Earlier this year I got so excited to watch each game with this team because it was so fun. I don't remember what that feels like anymore
Some of us aren't boo birds, just being honest and have a difficult time accepting this basketball product at times
St Johns is garbage. How did they beat Duke and Nova?
We've had some chances and we just have missed shots down the stretch
We are rushing like we are down 20. Howard needs to go up strong. I think he shoots layups from his hip with all the adjustments he tries to make.
This one stings, amazing that we are only down 8 right now. Elliot single handedly gave them 5 easy points on fast break turnovers, sacar tossed the ball away to no one on an easy fast break. Just like that game could be tied.
39% shooting. A grand total of 4 points outside of the big 3.
saying it's just not our day when Froling misses a lay up is implying it hasn't happened to him 10-12 times this year. How about just saying he's bad. That should do it.
Ponds is a man playing against boys
They just automatically blow the whistle every time Ponds drives, regardless of if there is any contact.
He's playing awesome enough on his own. He doesn't need help.
SJU was just begging to be beaten down the stretch in this game and we couldn't hit a goddamn thing
Another brilliant gameplan Woj!
That's it. Got to give it to ponds. Nice play dude.
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 12:53:16 PM
They just automatically blow the whistle every time Ponds drives, regardless of if there is any contact.
He's playing awesome enough on his own. He doesn't need help.
At least 2-3 "and-1" he had were just play phantom fouls.
Wow, just wow
OK Sam, he did the exact same thing to you before and you didn't learn
So any chance if ncaa outside of winning bet?
Stop FUCKING switching a big onto Ponds!!!
One of the wojo defenders, please explain how you can let ponds go off for 45pts or whatever it is??
They beat #4 and #1 and this is the defensive plan you come with?
7 days aren't going to help this team
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
Another brilliant gameplan Woj!
Did Duke and Nova' also have terrible game plans?
St. John's is playing top 10 basketball the past two weeks. Ponds is playing out of this world the last 4 games.
This was one of the games I figured would be hard for us to win. And if we made layups, we would have.
This should wrap up any tourney talk
It worked so well with Brunson
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on February 10, 2018, 12:55:47 PM
So any chance if ncaa outside of winning bet?
We have to win out
Inexcusable to have Ponds hit 3 3's in Sam's face in about a 5 minute span. There's no coaching going on at all.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 10, 2018, 12:55:52 PM
Stop unnatural carnal knowledgeING switching a big onto Ponds!!!
The one time we doubled the dribbler we forced a turnover. Granted it was on the sideline, but much better than letting Ponds go iso.
Are bigs are fucking atrocious at basketball
In Vanilla Woj We Trust
WHO DOES HOWARD THINKE
HE IS?
WHY THE FUCKING unnatural carnal knowledge CAN'T WE MAKE A LAYUP
Quote from: monkeyman34 on February 10, 2018, 12:57:30 PM
Inexcusable to have Ponds hit 3 3's in Sam's face in about a 5 minute span. There's no coaching going on at all.
Woj comes in with a gameplan and once the opponent adjusts to it we're toast.
#TheoJohnthedifference?
Why did the jump ball go to SJU? They got the ball to start the half. Did I miss a jump call?
Quote from: Johnny B on February 10, 2018, 12:58:09 PM
Are bigs are unnatural carnal knowledgeing atrocious at basketball
Your sentence was off to such a good start, I knew something astute was coming.
The inadvertent whistle
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 10, 2018, 12:59:58 PM
Why did the jump ball go to SJU? They got the ball to start the half. Did I miss a jump call?
Inadvertent whistle.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 10, 2018, 12:59:58 PM
Why did the jump ball go to SJU? They got the ball to start the half. Did I miss a jump call?
They originally called a foul against Owen's early in the half, and then decided later it was an inadvertent whistle that counts as a jump ball.
Pathetic showing
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 10, 2018, 12:59:58 PM
Why did the jump ball go to SJU? They got the ball to start the half. Did I miss a jump call?
Inadvertent whistle for some reason changes possession. Which is dumb as unnatural carnal knowledge.
Quote from: monkeyman34 on February 10, 2018, 01:01:41 PM
Pathetic showing
Thanks for your contributions to this board ::)
I can't wait for all of the excuses after this one. "but they beat Nova and Duke!" "Theo had the flu!"
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 10, 2018, 01:02:16 PM
Thanks for your contributions to this board ::)
You're most very welcome
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 10, 2018, 01:01:32 PM
No we don't.
If we want to make the tournament without winning the Big East Tourney we do. If we go 9-9 and get the Chamionship game we are still sweating it out on selection Sunday
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on February 10, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
I can't wait for all of the excuses after this one. "but they beat Nova and Duke!" "Theo had the flu!"
Why does anyone need an excuse. Based on a season's worth of performances, St. Johns was predicted to win this game.
Oh well. Good try.
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 01:05:13 PM
Why does anyone need an excuse. Based on a season's worth of performances, St. Johns was predicted to win this game.
Because some people aren't paying attention, apparently.
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on February 10, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
I can't wait for all of the excuses after this one. "but they beat Nova and Duke!" "Theo had the flu!"
No, they are young, remember. The ref conspiracy.
Reality, no defense for Ponds. The guy is on unreal tear and they did it with Owens on bench for almost entire second half. MU did not play like a team, bad turnovers. Just have to go 4-1 rest of way.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 10, 2018, 12:59:34 PM
Woj comes in with a gameplan and once the opponent adjusts to it we're toast.
I don't know how you let the one guy who can beat you just get whatever he wants. Other than a few possessions of zone, we made no adjustments to stop Ponds. Nothing. No doubles or traps off their pick and roll, nothing. I am just dumbfounded that we had no answer to try anything to stop their one guy who could beat us pretty much all by himself.
Quote from: monkeyman34 on February 10, 2018, 12:57:30 PM
Inexcusable to have Ponds hit 3 3's in Sam's face in about a 5 minute span. There's no coaching going on at all.
So what did you want,Sam to play tight and have Ponds blow by him?
St. JOHN'S has become a tough team to beat. They are not a fluke.
We just aren't good.
Quote from: Class71 on February 10, 2018, 01:07:37 PM
So what did you want,Sam to play tight and have Ponds blow by him?
St. JOHN'S has become a tough team to beat. They are not a fluke.
Yes, giving up 2 points is better than 3, is it not? That wasn't even my complaint, there's no good reason why Sam was switched onto Ponds, fight through a F'n screen and stick on your guy.
Fire wojo !!
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 10, 2018, 01:07:30 PM
I don't know how you let the one guy who can beat you just get whatever he wants. Other than a few possessions of zone, we made no adjustments to stop Ponds. Nothing. No doubles or traps off their pick and roll, nothing. I am just dumbfounded that we had no answer to try anything to stop their one guy who could beat us pretty much all by himself.
Xavier, Duke, and Nova, also could not stop him.
He is a great player, and is in an unbelievable zone right now.
Usually you do exactly what Hauser did with him. Let him shoot 3's. He shoots 24% on the season, and 31% for his career from 3. On a tear lately.
You play the odds. Odds say Ponds misses those 3's. Today he made them.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 10, 2018, 01:07:30 PM
I don't know how you let the one guy who can beat you just get whatever he wants. Other than a few possessions of zone, we made no adjustments to stop Ponds. Nothing. No doubles or traps off their pick and roll, nothing. I am just dumbfounded that we had no answer to try anything to stop their one guy who could beat us pretty much all by himself.
Coach K or Jay Wright should be fired and you should be made head coach at one of those schools. At the very least, they'd learn how to stop a guy who is playing outside of his mind.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on February 10, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
Inadvertent whistle for some reason changes possession. Which is dumb as unnatural carnal knowledge.
The frustrating part is I think it was on its way out of bounds and would have been our ball anyways
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 01:11:39 PM
Xavier, Duke, and Nova, also could not stop him.
He is a great player, and is in an unbelievable zone right now.
Usually you do exactly what Hauser did with him. Let him shoot 3's. He shoots 24% on the season, and 31% for his career from 3. On a tear lately.
You play the odds. Odds say Ponds misses those 3's. Today he made them.
Fully agree. Try our best big, give up the 24% 3 point shooting and stop the lay-ups that no one else has been able to do in three games. It didn't work but a correct call.
Quote from: MUpilot on February 10, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
#leagueme
Maybe the dumbest hashtag out there.
Howard really struggling. As Jim Rome says "shooters gotta keep shooting"
League Me is Markus' brother's basketball training program
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on February 10, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
We just aren't good.
This. Basically, our opponents will try to run our main three guys off the 3 pt line, and never leave them to help. Unfortunately, ALL our other guys are easily handled by a remotely competent single defender (and those defenders are free to help our main three). Makes it much tougher for our main guys to score, as they do not have Ponds' quickness and/or strength. Couple that with our sieve-like defense, and we are not that good.
Quote from: yetipro on February 10, 2018, 01:12:10 PM
Coach K or Jay Wright should be fired and you should be made head coach at one of those schools. At the very least, they'd learn how to stop a guy who is playing outside of his mind.
Cute. I would love to have that job.
It's very simple. Make somebody else beat you. Trap him hard off the screen instead of just rolling over and switching a slow big onto him. Make him give up the ball.
Do SOMETHING to disrupt his rhythm and make one of their less capable guys initiate the offense.
We did nothing to make him uncomfortable. Nothing.
Quote from: Class71 on February 10, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Fully agree. Try our best big, give up the 24% 3 point shooting and stop the lay-ups that no one else has been able to do in three games. It didn't work but a correct call.
We doubled and helped on him for a two minute stretch and had success, then we stopped. I disagree 100% that we defend him properly. They scored every single time down the floor for about 10 minutes, often with and 1s or 3s. Literally having 5 guys stand at the three point line with their hands up so they only got two points each time and we didn't foul would have been better.
Two points and two rebounds off the bench. Vichy Defense. Sick and on the road. The newcomers seemed to have hit the proverbial wall.
70 of MU's points were scored by Rowsey, Howard and Hauser.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 10, 2018, 01:21:49 PM
We doubled and helped on him for a two minute stretch and had success, then we stopped. I disagree 100% that we defend him properly. They scored every single time down the floor for about 10 minutes, often with and 1s or 3s. Literally having 5 guys stand at the three point line with their hands up so they only got two points each time and we didn't foul would have been better.
Here's the thing. Ponds misses those 3's like he usually does. And he misses some of the tough contested shots and people on here are talking about how great the D on Ponds was.
Butler played Ponds the same way we did. He went 0-12 in that game.
Was it a good design from them? but a Bad design from us?
The difference in the two game plans is that Ponds is on fire right now, and was ice cold against them.
Could we have executed the game plan better, absolutely. Too many defensive lapses when he drove the paint. But there was nothing intrinsically wrong with the game plan.
Sometimes a player is better than the plan.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 10, 2018, 01:24:40 PM
Two points and two rebounds off the bench. Vichy Defense. Sick and on the road. The newcomers seemed to have hit the proverbial wall.
That is exactly what I said to the wife halfway through that half. Elliott and Cain have looked a lot like freshmen lately.
Quote from: monkeyman34 on February 10, 2018, 12:57:30 PM
Inexcusable to have Ponds hit 3 3's in Sam's face in about a 5 minute span. There's no coaching going on at all.
What are you talking about? that is one-on-one, Rural Wisconsin vs. Inner City NYC basketball... NYC won, multiple times. What do you expect wojo to say?
Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
Here's the thing. Ponds misses those 3's like he usually does. And he misses some of the tough contested shots and people on here are talking about how great the D on Ponds was.
Butler played Ponds the same way we did. He went 0-12 in that game.
Was it a good design from them? but a Bad design from us?
The difference in the two game plans is that Ponds is on fire right now, and was ice cold against them.
Could we have executed the game plan better, absolutely. Too many defensive lapses when he drove the paint. But there was nothing intrinsically wrong with the game plan.
Sometimes a player is better than the plan.
The thing is, if was missing the three's he would have just driven and gotten layups and fouls instead. We should have helped on him/doubled him a lot more than we did. Make him give up the ball.
WE DO HAVE A DECENT CHANCE AT THE TOURNEY. 3-1 doable. 9-9. Would need 1 BE win. Being in bottom 4 we would play first day against DePaul methinks.
Also going 4-2 (3-1 + 1-1 BET) in last 6 with win over Creighton would be positive for committee.
We are a decent team this year. Inconsistent but decent. I think worthy of the Dance if we finish 9-9.
WOJO is a decent coach. Sure he could be better but he will get better and better. Our team will get better.
I HATED THE LOSS. We made mistakes. But I think we can steal one next weekend in Omaha. Frosh will he healthy and better than this. We can do it.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 01:28:27 PM
That is exactly what I said to the wife halfway through that half. Elliott and Cain have looked a lot like freshmen lately.
GE barely played. I figured he would be a much bigger part of the gameplan.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 10, 2018, 01:32:04 PM
The thing is, if was missing the three's he would have just driven and gotten layups and fouls instead. We should have helped on him/doubled him a lot more than we did. Make him give up the ball.
You want to run double teams at a guy who shoots 37% from 3? I mean, he only went 4/7 from deep, so let's not pretend that he killed MU by his outside shooting. He was 12/16 from 2 and 8/9 from the line. He was beating guys off the dribble regularly.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
You want to run double teams at a guy who shoots 37% from 3? I mean, he only went 4/7 from deep, so let's not pretend that he killed MU by his outside shooting. He was 12/16 from 2 and 8/9 from the line. He was beating guys off the dribble regularly.
Yes, we should have doubled hm on the pick and roll. Get the ball out of his hands. Anything would have been better than lamely switching a slower guy onto him every time.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
You want to run double teams at a guy who shoots 37% from 3? I mean, he only went 4/7 from deep, so let's not pretend that he killed MU by his outside shooting. He was 12/16 from 2 and 8/9 from the line. He was beating guys off the dribble regularly.
Agree, i also wonder if wojo was more comfortable with ponds shooting 3' because of the foul trouble Heldt go into.
MU handed the ball six times to STJ players leading to 13 points. Never seen anything like that.
Sacar threw ball into the stands.
Froling came into game and three seconds later, just plowed a guy offensively, then of course his layup.
Sacar had I believe four layups blocked and one shot under the basket that almost went over it.
Rowsey and Howard probably had four airballs.
Held back to planet earth. 2 points and 5 fouls.
Hauser gets hot and Rowsey starts chuckin He went 11 for 26 and Markus 6 for 19.
Heldt, Cain, Sacar, Froling and Elliott just not there at all. Brutal day.
STJ shoots 60%, MU 40%
MU fouls 23 times, STJ had 15 with Owens with 4, sitting almost entire second half.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
You want to run double teams at a guy who shoots 37% from 3? I mean, he only went 4/7 from deep, so let's not pretend that he killed MU by his outside shooting. He was 12/16 from 2 and 8/9 from the line. He was beating guys off the dribble regularly.
The three pointers didn't bother me. No help until way too late when he beat his primary defender (which was every single time he wanted to) bothered me. . You need another defender to spy him or trap him. Just make him give up the ball.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 10, 2018, 01:37:44 PM
Yes, we should have doubled hm on the pick and roll. Get the ball out of his hands. Anything would have been better than lamely switching a slower guy onto him every time.
Did you see the easy lay ups that STJ got off the hedging PNR early in the game?
Look, Wojo played percentages and it didn't work.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 10, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
The three pointers didn't bother me. No help until way too late when he beat his primary defender (which was every single time he wanted to) bothered me. . You need another defender to spy him or trap him. Just make him give up the ball.
Gotcha. I don't disagree with that.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2018, 01:38:41 PM
MU fouls 23 times, STJ had 15 with Owens with 4, sitting almost entire second half.
It hurt that we could not take advantage of Owens absence. Our interior guys not the kind that make you pay when your interior defender is out.
FWIW, I don't know how good SJU is as a defensive team. I know they're a poor rebounding team. But like Providence, a they have a lot of rangy athletic guys, and that gives us a hard time on offense and on the boards, particularly without Theo. They were able to stick with Rowsey and Howard through the multitude of screens we set.
Asking Heldt or Froling to D up on a guys with some size and quickness who can go to 15 feet and put the ball on the floor is a tough ask, as it is not in their tool kit. Our team should be better able to handle that with the influx of guys next year.
I guess we'll get over this one. I remember they way SJU dismantled us last year in NY it seemed like we could never beat that team and yet we had no trouble with them in Milwaukee.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 10, 2018, 01:48:45 PM
It hurt that we could not take advantage of Owens absence. Our interior guys not the kind that make you pay when your interior defender is out.
FWIW, I don't know how good SJU is as a defensive team. I know they're a poor rebounding team. But like Providence, a they have a lot of rangy athletic guys, and that gives us a hard time on offense and on the boards, particularly without Theo. They were able to stick with Rowsey and Howard through the multitude of screens we set.
Asking Heldt or Froling to D up on a guys with some size and quickness who can go to 15 feet and put the ball on the floor is a tough ask, as it is not in their tool kit. Our team should be better able to handle that with the influx of guys next year.
I guess we'll get over this one. I remember they way SJU dismantled us last year in NY it seemed like we could never beat that team and yet we had no trouble with them in Milwaukee.
Teams have scouted MU, Multiple times today SJU players were beating Rowsey and Howard to their spot on the double screens. Wojo needs to change it up.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 10, 2018, 01:51:51 PM
Teams have scouted MU, Multiple times today SJU players were beating Rowsey and Howard to their spot on the double screens. Wojo needs to change it up.
And do what exactly? Our wings can't drive. Our bigs can't score. It is an unbalanced offensive team that has limited options available and no real point guard.
Yeah all of that is on Wojo. However there isn't much he can do with this bunch.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 01:53:55 PM
And do what exactly? Our wings can't drive. Our bigs can't score. It is an unbalanced offensive team that has limited options available and no real point guard.
Yeah all of that is on Wojo. However there isn't much he can do with this bunch.
Kinda what I've said to folks for about 3 weeks now. We've been scouted. And we really don't have a reliable Plan B. We are who we are at this point.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 01:53:55 PM
And do what exactly? Our wings can't drive. Our bigs can't score. It is an unbalanced offensive team that has limited options available and no real point guard.
Yeah all of that is on Wojo. However there isn't much he can do with this bunch.
When a team has scouted you offense to the point where they can beat you to the spot, its time to call another play. the SJU players didn't even run by the double screen, they took a short cut across the lane and waited for Marcus to get there.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 10, 2018, 01:59:55 PM
When a team has scouted you offense to the point where they can beat you to the spot, its time to call another play. the SJU players didn't even run by the double screen, they took a short cut across the lane and waited for Marcus to get there.
They ran plays. Distinctly remember plays run for Sam. But again, when you are unbalanced you don't have many choices. You can beat players to spots because they have no fear someone is going to beat them.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 02:04:07 PM
They ran plays. Distinctly remember plays run for Sam. But again, when you are unbalanced you don't have many choices. You can beat players to spots because they have no fear someone is going to beat them.
I agree. Against Providence Theo did some things to keep them a little honest and against Seton Hall Heldt and Anim did. SJU had no trouble dealing with our satellite players with single players who also were able to provide help. The only way to get around our issues is for some of the other guys to become serious threats. No evidence that we can count on that.
I feel like this years squad's youth shows at some point in everygame. I know I am sick of that excuse, but it's true. We really missed Theo's physicality today. When he is engaged in the game, he just makes us tougher. Harry doesn't bring that. I was worried about this game with him in the lineup! I knew Ponds was going to get every call. Right now he is the NCAA darling, right up there with OU' s Young. That is where my pregame concern came from. When a scorer gets going, and continues to get confidence at the free throw line, they can become unstoppable. The refs gave this guy uncontested shot again and again at the charity stripe, and his confidence continued to grow. From there GAME OVER! He is too good once he gets rolling!
As today showed, replacing Andrew next season is critical.
Quote from: Dr. Dunkinstien on February 10, 2018, 02:10:42 PM
I feel like this years squad's youth shows at some point in everygame. I know I am sick of that excuse, but it's true. We really missed Theo's physicality today. When he is engaged in the game, he just makes us tougher. Harry doesn't bring that. I was worried about this game with him in the lineup! I knew Ponds was going to get every call. Right now he is the NCAA darling, right up there with OU' s Young. That is where my pregame concern came from. When a scorer gets going, and continues to get confidence at the free throw line, they can become unstoppable. The refs gave this guy uncontested shot again and again at the charity stripe, and his confidence continued to grow. From there GAME OVER! He is too good once he gets rolling!
The refs didn't give him anything. MU fouled him and others, no question. Refs can't continue to be excuses every game, MU just tends to foul, a lot. Probably last in BE play and bottom 20% in NCAA.
Ponds is just a great player, who really couldn't shoot threes, but lately he has and man is he quick. No match for any MU player.
Thought we abandoned the 2/3 way too early - it was effective. I don't remember using it at all in the second half?
Instead we kept letting Rowsey get posted up and ponds go to the cup against anyone trying to check him.
Quote from: WindyCityGoldenEagle on February 10, 2018, 02:48:28 PM
Thought we abandoned the 2/3 way too early - it was effective. I don't remember using it at all in the second half?
Instead we kept letting Rowsey get posted up and ponds go the cup on against anyone trying to check him.
After coming out in man in the second half, which SJU abused, we switched to zone. It was initially successful, but then SJU started getting inside with ease. I think they scored on 3-4 straight possessions at some point.
Gotcha. I think sju had one basket against it in the 1st half (drive from high post)?
I would've stayed in it - the isolation on Rowsey and attacking of ponds could've been reduced in the 2/3. Take your chances they beat you in another way.
It was a crap zone. All SJ had to do was screen one of the top two and they got whatever they wanted.
Tough game for MU. Ponds in a zone. Mullin did a good job of getting Ponds into switch situations that left Hauser to guard. St. John's plays hard AF. Thought we did too. But, St. John's is simply more athletic. They basically played a 5 man rotation today.
We applied full court pressure maybe 4 possessions? Should have picked them up full court all game..using Cain and Elliott much more. Should have put a couple of hard fouls on Ponds going to the basket. We missed Theo.
At this rate, not sure I'd put Wojo ahead of Mullin in Big East coaching ranks.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 01:42:27 PM
Did you see the easy lay ups that STJ got off the hedging PNR early in the game?
Look, Wojo played percentages and it didn't work.
Not much has worked for Wojo lately.
Quote from: Afroman on February 10, 2018, 12:44:01 PM
I'd advise Heldt to turn pro after this season.
Ditto for Froling.
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 10, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
WE DO HAVE A DECENT CHANCE AT THE TOURNEY. 3-1 doable. 9-9. Would need 1 BE win. Being in bottom 4 we would play first day against DePaul methinks.
Also going 4-2 (3-1 + 1-1 BET) in last 6 with win over Creighton would be positive for committee.
We are a decent team this year. Inconsistent but decent. I think worthy of the Dance if we finish 9-9.
WOJO is a decent coach. Sure he could be better but he will get better and better. Our team will get better.
I HATED THE LOSS. We made mistakes. But I think we can steal one next weekend in Omaha. Frosh will he healthy and better than this. We can do it.
Ummmmm....define decent as it refers to our performance this year, and Wojo's coaching prowess. Decent? Think not!
Quote from: willie warrior on February 10, 2018, 03:50:37 PM
Not much has worked for Wojo lately.
I heard he just saved a lot of money on car insurance....
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2018, 02:32:41 PM
The refs didn't give him anything. MU fouled him and others, no question. Refs can't continue to be excuses every game, MU just tends to foul, a lot. Probably last in BE play and bottom 20% in NCAA.
Ponds is just a great player, who really couldn't shoot threes, but lately he has and man is he quick. No match for any MU player.
So the "and 1" on Sacar was a foul? I can bring up at least 4 more instances from this game. The Big East has the worst officials in all of college basketball. Ask any Creighton or Xavier fan after their game today. I have seen Junior Varsity crews who are head and shoulders above any Big East crew!
We blame our bigs all the time, you think they are doing what they are told to do by screening out high all the time. We have such small guards its hard for them to even see a wide open big if he is standing wide open and they really don't have much desire of getting it inside.
Quote from: colt45 on February 10, 2018, 06:31:39 PM
We blame our bigs all the time, you think they are doing what they are told to do by screening out high all the time. We have such small guards its hard for them to even see a wide open big if he is standing wide open and they really don't have much desire of getting it inside.
Who should we be getting it inside to?
That's my point we really don't try
My point is that there is no consistent insider scorer.
Why do you think that is it's not really part of our offense it's pretty much 3 pointers or a guard driving all the way
Quote from: colt45 on February 10, 2018, 07:16:15 PM
Why do you think that is it's not really part of our offense it's pretty much 3 pointers or a guard driving all the way
Because MU doesn't have players who can post or drive with any consistency.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 10, 2018, 07:10:52 PM
My point is that there is no consistent insider scorer.
Heldt has no offensive confidence right now. He gets the ball near the hoop and is looking to kick out for the 3.
Harry is basically looking to back people down over his left shoulder whichever St. John's was overplaying.