1. Seton Hall doesn't run high pick and roll.
2. I harp on my 5th graders all of the time that you need to make your lay ups. Heldt missing two and Sacar one during a crucial time of the game when MU could have extended the lead.
3. But rumors of Heldt's banishment are greatly exaggerated.
4. The flu sucks. No points off of the bench tonight.
5. Hauser's post up, back down, turnaround jumper has not been there the last few games.
6. I wonder what the fan was saying that got him ejected?
7. Having 4 guys shooting >85% from the line sure helps down the stretch of a tight game.
8. Delgado in the post, getting doubled, leaves Markus hugging Sanogo down low and then trying to recover out to the 3 point line. A variation of the problem with the high pick and roll. Only hurt MU a little tonight.
9. Only one way MU could have lost this game tonight down the stretch. One senior on the team. Who can't physically block a shot. And yet somehow........
10. Remember when MU was looking forward to playing St. John's?
11. All 5 starters in double figures.
12. Gutsiest performance of the year. Well done. Looking forward to the silence of the haters tonight.
13. MU's FT defense was vastly improved tonight.
Well done. Gutsy performance by the fella's
Huge fuc*ing win.
Let's fuc*king gooooooooo!
Needed it. Got it. Onward we go. Looks like we picked the wrong time to stop sniffing glue errr play St. John's
Huge win.
Still a long way to go without that Providence win
Was always worried about at SJU. Thought that was the third toughest game we had left(before Providence)
Props to Wojo and the team. Big win.
Outside of 2 missed bunnies, Heldt was huge. His defense forced Delgado to the bench with 6 minutes to go.
Clutch FTs sealed the win.
#6. Blow the unnatural carnal knowledgeing whistle!!
Per another board where word are not censored! lol
Made up for one of the turds at home with one we don't win on paper. Suddenly Saturday looks like trouble. 9 on 6 is an advantage if everyone is healthy. Heldt held his own on Delgado again, got to like that effort. Wish we'd foul hard when we foul instead of the touches that don't even impede the shot attempt.
Sacar's offensive game seems to have really improved in the last few games. Maybe it's just a confidence thing, and it's been there all along, but I'm sure happy we're seeing it come out now.
Quote from: Goose on February 07, 2018, 08:15:47 PM
Well done. Gutsy performance by the fella's
The real men won.
No Theo. No Cain or Elliott in second half, believe neither played one minute. Guys stayed out of foul trouble in second and finally had a full half to play together.
SH foul shooting, well....
Gut check free throws by Heldt after Rowsey brain dead play.
Next game against a team that beat #4 and #1 after going 0-11 in BE, with no Marcus Lovett. They blew their load and its been all Ponds, he has been just crazy good. Stop him and they win.
Interesting stat according to the box score. We had zero steals. Hard to believe we can win with zero steals but we did.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
So..... about all of those people who want Elliott to start and Matt to be banished....... yeah. Freshmen are erratic. Goose eggs tonight. Heldt was a man, maybe THE man tonight. Will anybody learn? Nah.
Wojo confirmed that Theo has basically been in bed since the game Saturday.
That'll do pig.
Also, was anybody actually impressed with the zone tonight?
Heldt and anims missed layups were huge but both made up for it with big plays down the stretch. Heldt 2 offensive rebounds plus free throws and anim a nice reverse layup under a minute.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 07, 2018, 08:19:45 PM
Props to Wojo and the team. Big win.
Well said. Thought Wojo coached a really good game tonight. One of his best efforts yet at MU.
I didn't see what happened over the weekend because I was skiing in Tahoe, but this win makes me happy. Undefeated vs SHU in 2018!!
#keepwojo
Actually mentioned during the broadcast that Stan had the scout for Seton Hall. Which poses the question, who had the scouts in the ugly games?
Great win, but the dumb fouls at end of game...rowsey had a few fouls on three pointers that were unbelievable. He's not blocking anyone's shot.
Quote from: jsglow on February 07, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
Wojo confirmed that Theo has basically been in bed since the game Saturday.
Dat's nothin' dude, lotta playas do da same thin', aina?
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
1. Seton Hall doesn't run high pick and roll.
2. I harp on my 5th graders all of the time that you need to make your lay ups. Heldt missing two and Sacar one during a crucial time of the game when MU could have extended the lead.
3. But rumors of Heldt's banishment are greatly exaggerated.
4. The flu sucks. No points off of the bench tonight.
5. Hauser's post up, back down, turnaround jumper has not been there the last few games.
6. I wonder what the fan was saying that got him ejected?
7. Having 4 guys shooting >85% from the line sure helps down the stretch of a tight game.
8. Delgado in the post, getting doubled, leaves Markus hugging Sanogo down low and then trying to recover out to the 3 point line. A variation of the problem with the high pick and roll. Only hurt MU a little tonight.
9. Only one way MU could have lost this game tonight down the stretch. One senior on the team. Who can't physically block a shot. And yet somehow........
10. Remember when MU was looking forward to playing St. John's?
11. All 5 starters in double figures.
12. Gutsiest performance of the year. Well done. Looking forward to the silence of the haters tonight.
13. MU's FT defense was vastly improved tonight.
Great summary, tower. Big win, very "gutsy," as you said.
One thing, though: Heldt had averaged less than 10 minutes the previous half-dozen games, so they weren't rumors - he really had been all but banished.
If Theo's healthy, who knows how much Heldt even would have played tonight. I've not been a huge Matt fan, but I just wrote a tome stating his case for SOTG. Really came through huge.
#4. Better that the bench is down w the flu.
MU82, I am aware of Matt's minutes recently. It is a tribute to his character that we have not heard a word of complaint and that when the call came, he was ready to do battle with Delgado. It is really a shame that there are so few matchups that allow for a twin tower look from MU.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
MU82, I am aware of Matt's minutes recently. It is a tribute to his character that we have not heard a word of complaint and that when the call came, he was ready to do battle with Delgado.
Can't argue with this one iota.
If Matt plays even an OK game, we lose this one.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2018, 08:32:56 PM
So..... about all of those people who want Elliott to start and Matt to be banished....... yeah. Freshmen are erratic. Goose eggs tonight. Heldt was a man, maybe THE man tonight. Will anybody learn? Nah.
I was on the off Matt train and I'll admit it. Heck, I voted him for SOTG. He played great tonight and played the same in the other game against SH. Like to see him more consistent, not just against SH. I don't need to learn anything and who knows what would have happened if Theo wasn't sick. Just glad he played a nice game.
Wojo admitted to splitting his pants wide open and mooning Homer and Mac most of the game. All in, baby! :o
Quote from: jsglow on February 07, 2018, 08:50:08 PM
Wojo admitted to splitting his pants wide open and mooning Homer and Mac most of the game. All in, baby! :o
He needs to pay a little more for his suits then. His shoulder seam was ripped as well.
Blame the hot yoga.
The officiating continues to be just awful. Markus got a few calls today, still several more that should have been called they were not.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 07, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
The officiating continues to be just awful. Markus got a few calls today, still several more that should have been called they were not.
You mean like the inbound where Markus was pulled to the ground by his jersey but didn't get a foul call?
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 07, 2018, 08:46:17 PM
#4. Better that the bench is down w the flu.
Can somebody please put the entire team on Tamiflu
Quote from: nyg on February 07, 2018, 08:49:48 PM
I was on the off Matt train and I'll admit it. Heck, I voted him for SOTG. He played great tonight and played the same in the other game against SH. Like to see him more consistent, not just against SH. I don't need to learn anything and who knows what would have happened if Theo wasn't sick. Just glad he played a nice game.
Matt owned Delgado and Happ this year. Otherwise, well.. But, congrats to Matt!
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on February 07, 2018, 08:55:24 PM
You mean like the inbound where Markus was pulled to the ground by his jersey but didn't get a foul call?
I was losing my mind on that. If we didn't get that ball in...
- After the game in Milwaukee, Angel Delgado said we'd see "the real Seton Hall" tonight. I'd love to see the real Seton Hall again at MSG.
- Zone works much better with one midget.
- Anim did great on both ends. His best game in a Marquette uniform.
- Heldt has hit his FTs all year, but I believe this is the first time he's needed to make clutch FTs. Well done.
- Markus still doesn't get respect from the zebras.
- I had flashbacks to 2017 on the late missed FT rebound opportunity. Nice job securing the board, Sam.
- I'm sick of Markus and Rowsey not even trying to get a hand in front of the shooter's line of sight on closeouts. At least three times they closed out but didn't even give a token wave.
- Big win. 4-2 from here out should get us in. Let's get another Saturday.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 07, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
Dat's nothin' dude, lotta playas do da same thin', aina?
This is the worst post ever.
Free Throws Matta
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 07, 2018, 08:59:34 PM
- I'm sick of Markus and Rowsey not even trying to get a hand in front of the shooter's line of sight on closeouts. At least three times they closed out but didn't even give a token wave.
Rowsey tried, but it seemed like he fouled every time he did.
Great win. Great effort by the starters with a short bench. Showed toughness and got baskets when we needed to.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on February 07, 2018, 09:07:27 PM
Rowsey tried, but it seemed like he fouled every time he did.
That last one looked like a tough call. Still terrible move my Rowsey considering the circumstances but looked like a very generous call.
Win on Saturday and it's very likely that we're 8-8 going into our last 2 games with the NCAA tournament in our grasp. Huge win. Need to string together one more good performance
Like all the intelligentsia here say, Seton Hall is a bad match up for Marquette. LOL.
HallScoop is probably losing its mind right now for losing twice to a team they "should" beat.
Not complaining about tonight's W but the damage has been done! Even if they win their next six and make the dance with room to spare Porky just can't get excited after the four consecutive losses, no matter what happens moving forward.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on February 07, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
Not complaining about tonight's W but the damage has been done! Even if they win their next six and make the dance with room to spare Porky just can't get excited after the four consecutive losses, no matter what happens moving forward.
4-2 will do the trick.
But ya, this team isn't winning the national championship. :-\
Quote from: PorkysButthole on February 07, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
Not complaining about tonight's W but the damage has been done! Even if they win their next six and make the dance with room to spare Porky just can't get excited after the four consecutive losses, no matter what happens moving forward.
So when the '77 team won the national title, you shrugged and said, "Meh. They lost 3 straight in February"?
Quote from: PorkysButthole on February 07, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
Not complaining about tonight's W but the damage has been done! Even if they win their next six and make the dance with room to spare Porky just can't get excited after the four consecutive losses, no matter what happens moving forward.
::) Could you be any more sour grapes? We weren't winning the championship or big east anyways this season so why did you even bother get excited in the first place?
If you had told me that Theo would be out sick and that Heldt would have three first half fouls....I would have expected to be on the wrong side of a 15+ point beatdown. Great job by Wojo and the boys. 4-2 looks a lot more manageable than 5-1.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
6. I wonder what the fan was saying that got him ejected?
I've seen a lot of college basketball and only 3 times have I seen a ref stop a game to kick out a fan. All 3 have been Pat Driscoll. He should be embarrassed. Somebody needs to change his diapers.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on February 07, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
Not complaining about tonight's W but the damage has been done! Even if they win their next six and make the dance with room to spare Porky just can't get excited after the four consecutive losses, no matter what happens moving forward.
Get some new batteries so you can enjoy yourself.
Quote from: MUunderpants on February 07, 2018, 09:54:00 PM
I've seen a lot of college basketball and only 3 times have I seen a ref stop a game to kick out a fan. All 3 have been Pat Driscoll. He should be embarrassed. Somebody needs to change his diapers.
Was Driscoll reffing the game where the Seton Hall players brother came on the court? That's the only other time I remember a fan getting ejected
Quote from: PorkysButthole on February 07, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
Not complaining about tonight's W but the damage has been done! Even if they win their next six and make the dance with room to spare Porky just can't get excited after the four consecutive losses, no matter what happens moving forward.
Glad you Clarified it's not a complaint. But with your outlook why would Piggy be watching the remaining games. But if you do watch, what are the elements of MU game are you invested in viewing. Thanks.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 07, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
The officiating continues to be just awful. Markus got a few calls today, still several more that should have been called they were not.
How can you expect the officials to do their jobs well when fans are saying mean things to them from the stands?
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on February 07, 2018, 10:01:13 PM
Was Driscoll reffing the game where the Seton Hall players brother came on the court? That's the only other time I remember a fan getting ejected
Not sure, but that was providence and arena security stopped that game, not the ref. Driscoll stopped a Marquette game maybe 5-6 years ago, then stopped a BE tourney game at MSG to boot some guy 15 rows up.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2018, 09:17:01 PM
HallScoop is probably losing its mind right now for losing twice to a team they "should" beat.
"HOW HOT IS WILLARD'S SEAT RIGHT NOW?"
Bold statement: Sacar is the difference maker right now, doing everything we need him to do
Great win but...
End game was rough, other than the FT shooting.
Super frustrating to watch SH roll the ball all the way to half court multiple times, with less than a minute to play? This happened more than once in the last minute and helped them extend the game. Seems like an obvious call to pick up the ball handler at 3/4 court.
Great win lets move onto the next and get St Johns back to their losing ways
Quote from: MUSF on February 07, 2018, 11:04:54 PM
Great win but...
End game was rough, other than the FT shooting.
Super frustrating to watch SH roll the ball all the way to half court multiple times, with less than a minute to play? This happened more than once in the last minute and helped them extend the game. Seems like an obvious call to pick up the ball handler at 3/4 court.
Agree with this. Of course, Powell made 2 well contested prayers, one of which had a lucky bounce. One of those doesn't drop and it's over earlier.
One thing about Heldt. It's cliche, but he knows where to be on offense. We get on Markus and Rowsey about stopping the ball sometimes, but with Harry and Theo in the game they often have to call out for the high screen that initiates a lot of our offense. When Heldt is in there and one of the guards gets the ball he is immediately running up to set screens and the offense has a lot more movement, we get into sets quicker, etc.
Not sure if numbers support that, but that's what my eye test was telling me
I'd prefer to let the other team roll the ball. It takes just as long to get the ball up the court when the guard is first touching it while it's on the ground and has to start at 0 speed while standing up to dribble vs. catching the inbound pass on the move already ready to dribble. Plus the ball handler doesn't get a head of steam coming down the court and it's a lot easier for a ball handler to get a step on someone when that person is picking them up full court. See Chiozo in last year's Sweet 16. Had Wisconsin picked him up at half court they have an extra defender in play, he probably doesn't get a step on his defender/his defender actually stays in front of him, and he probably doesn't get the kind of momentum going forward that he got. He got a wide open shot, and when teams pick up full court or 3/4 court they're a lot more likely to get wide open shots/straight line drives to the rim rather than being redirected, in my opinion.
Big win. Many more big games to come.
Gritty win. I knew Wojo was going to pop a button one of these days.
I would add Harry + Matt played great interior defense. SHU shot only 40% in the paint. Between them, they had 14 rebounds. They both played well on the defensive end, especially in position. In ALL of MU's losses for the season, our opponents have shot 51% or more from two (usually in the 60s).
Great win. Thought everyone played hard. Gotta love Matt for a great effort except for the two missed bunnies.
Thought the shot was late at the final buzzer.
I'm not saying he's all conference, but Matt Heldt is the kind of kid who's very easy to root for...love that guy.
Also, great, great game by Marcus. The past few games it's felt like almost every shot has been forced. I didn't get that feeling at all vs Seton Hall. I also thought Rowsey played well within himself.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on February 07, 2018, 10:35:27 PM
Bold statement: Sacar is the difference maker right now, doing everything we need him to do
Absolutely. He has picked up the scoring and has been more successful breaking down the D by driving. Not to mention his solid man defense. He's a key piece, and is playing more of a leadership role as an upperclassman (sorta)
Nice W!
Let's get 4 more.
Nice W - they kept hanging in. Bench was into it, think I saw Joey H in the house - looks long and thin.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 08, 2018, 07:45:40 AM
Nice W - they kept hanging in. Bench was into it, think I saw Joey H in the house - looks long and thin.
You weren't looking closer enough then. I've shook Joey's hand before. He's already bigger and bulkier then his brother
Joey was there. They showed him on TV. And judging from TV, he is bigger than Sam.
really proud of the performance last night and great coaching by Wojo. Another big game with a hot St.Johns team. This game showed how much we need Matt.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 07, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
Agree with this. Of course, Powell made 2 well contested prayers, one of which had a lucky bounce. One of those doesn't drop and it's over earlier.
One thing about Heldt. It's cliche, but he knows where to be on offense. We get on Markus and Rowsey about stopping the ball sometimes, but with Harry and Theo in the game they often have to call out for the high screen that initiates a lot of our offense. When Heldt is in there and one of the guards gets the ball he is immediately running up to set screens and the offense has a lot more movement, we get into sets quicker, etc.
Not sure if numbers support that, but that's what my eye test was telling me
Think difference might be that they can provide interior offense and depending on the D they will call out for the screen or pass inside.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 08, 2018, 05:24:52 AM
I also thought Rowsey played well within himself.
Im beginning to think that this may be the problem. I agreed he played within himself. What that means to me is 2 steps forward, 1 step back. He does several amazing most every game and something so stupid every game. Frustrating.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2018, 07:50:07 AM
You weren't looking closer enough then. I've shook Joey's hand before. He's already bigger and bulkier then his brother
He is taller, but no longer bulkier. He seems to have thinned out IMO. Ive seen JH play since a frosh for SPASH at Concordia, tv, and MU games. I think spring/summer weight will be put on.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2018, 07:50:07 AM
You weren't looking closer enough then. I've shook Joey's hand before. He's already bigger and bulkier then his brother
Is it possible that if Joey heals, they could take the redshirt off and he could play in the tourney? Not asking if probable, just if he could?
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on February 08, 2018, 08:38:29 AM
He is taller, but no longer bulkier. He seems to have thinned out IMO. Ive seen JH play since a frosh for SPASH at Concordia, tv, and MU games. I think spring/summer weight will be put on.
I shook his hand last weekend. He is currently bulkier than his brother.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 08, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Is it possible that if Joey heals, they could take the redshirt off and he could play in the tourney? Not asking if probable, just if he could?
Yes. I'm not sure how often it is done but it is possible.
Wojo ran a play specifically for Sacar when they needed a good look. And it worked. That was a ballsy move and IMO shows that maybe we were writing him off a little too soon. Look, the guy is never going to be instant offense, but he's smart and plays good defense. And he's only a sophomore.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2018, 08:55:53 AM
Yes. I'm not sure how often it is done but it is possible.
I think TAMU is correct but as I think we all would acknowledge that would be really, really foolish. Like way worse than Junior Cadougan foolish.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2018, 11:46:35 PM
I'd prefer to let the other team roll the ball. It takes just as long to get the ball up the court when the guard is first touching it while it's on the ground and has to start at 0 speed while standing up to dribble vs. catching the inbound pass on the move already ready to dribble. Plus the ball handler doesn't get a head of steam coming down the court and it's a lot easier for a ball handler to get a step on someone when that person is picking them up full court. See Chiozo in last year's Sweet 16. Had Wisconsin picked him up at half court they have an extra defender in play, he probably doesn't get a step on his defender/his defender actually stays in front of him, and he probably doesn't get the kind of momentum going forward that he got. He got a wide open shot, and when teams pick up full court or 3/4 court they're a lot more likely to get wide open shots/straight line drives to the rim rather than being redirected, in my opinion.
Big win. Many more big games to come.
Yeah you let them roll the ball. Much better than getting MU's already weak perimeter defenders out of place.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 08, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Wojo ran a play specifically for Sacar when they needed a good look. And it worked. That was a ballsy move and IMO shows that maybe we were writing him off a little too soon. Look, the guy is never going to be instant offense, but he's smart and plays good defense. And he's only a sophomore.
A damn good play. I also remember a crisp play out of a timeout where Markus was freed up for a great 3 look and drained it like 5 seconds into the possession. Progress since Saturday? I know, small sample size.
You can draw up anything. The players have to listen and execute.
Wojo usually ends up getting a good look out of timeouts. (I think PT did a segment on it last year.) That is why the criticism over them taking a timeout against PC last Saturday was unwarranted.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 08, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Wojo ran a play specifically for Sacar when they needed a good look. And it worked. That was a ballsy move and IMO shows that maybe we were writing him off a little too soon. Look, the guy is never going to be instant offense, but he's smart and plays good defense. And he's only a sophomore.
He's been balling out the last 4 games. Taking what the defense gives him, which has included some 3 pt attempts. His slashing ability is a much needed asset on this team. If I had a wishlist, it'd be that he get better at FTs (even though they no matta) and develop a back to the basket move. His demise has been greatly exaggerated; he will be a key glue guy that sets the bar for physicality on offense and defense. Just really glad we found him.
Quote from: jsglow on February 08, 2018, 09:01:53 AM
I think TAMU is correct but as I think we all would acknowledge that would be really, really foolish. Like way worse than Junior Cadougan foolish.
Unless Joey says he's only staying two years anyway...
That said, he's still in a boot. I don't see it happening.
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 08, 2018, 09:15:24 AM
He's been balling out the last 4 games. Taking what the defense gives him, which has included some 3 pt attempts. His slashing ability is a much needed asset on this team. If I had a wishlist, it'd be that he get better at FTs (even though they no matta) and develop a back to the basket move. His demise has been greatly exaggerated; he will be a key glue guy that sets the bar for physicality on offense and defense. Just really glad we found him.
I'm going to enjoy Sacar's leadership and contribution for 2 more years. I love kids who have the 'whatever you need coach' attitude.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2018, 08:54:35 AM
I shook his hand last weekend. He is currently bulkier than his brother.
I guess I don't understand bulkier then.
Joey is taller and weighs 10-15 lbs less than Sam, which would mean that he is not bulkier than Sam. Perhaps he seemed bigger in person to you, but he is not bulkier than Sam. He just isn't.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on February 08, 2018, 10:34:50 AM
I guess I don't understand bulkier then.
Joey is taller and weighs 10-15 lbs less than Sam, which would mean that he is not bulkier than Sam. Perhaps he seemed bigger in person to you, but he is not bulkier than Sam. He just isn't.
I wasn't aware that you were present for his weigh ins. I think Joey has been listed as 6"8 210 lb since the beginning of his junior year. He is neither 6"8 nor 210 lbs now. Not if his brother is truly 6"8 225 lbs. Joey has an inch on his brother and is either the same weight or slightly heavier and appeared to me to have more muscle. I shook Sam's hand and then Joey's and sat in the same room as them for an hour and my first thought was "dang, Joey's bulkier than his brother already". I am just reporting what I saw.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
I wasn't aware that you were present for his weigh ins. I think Joey has been listed as 6"8 210 lb since the beginning of his junior year. He is neither 6"8 nor 210 lbs now. Not if his brother is truly 6"8 225 lbs. Joey has an inch on his brother and is either the same weight or slightly heavier and appeared to me to have more muscle. I shook Sam's hand and then Joey's and sat in the same room as them for an hour and my first thought was "dang, Joey's bulkier than his brother already". I am just reporting what I saw.
No need to be a dick.
Interesting how someone who is taller and weighs the same (your words not mine) could be bulkier.
I too have seen Joey in person recently standing next to his brother. Joey is thinner than Sam. Ergo, Sam is bulkier. But, whatever.
Marquette must have won. The arguments have devolved down to which Hauser is bulkier.
Sacar has been gaining confidence in his perimeter shot too. Don't think he'll ever be a great shooter but he's 3-4 over the past 3 games. Teams have to start respecting that just a little bit and he's going to become very effective.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on February 08, 2018, 11:24:02 AM
No need to be a dick.
Interesting how someone who is taller and weighs the same (your words not mine) could be bulkier.
I too have seen Joey in person recently standing next to his brother. Joey is thinner than Sam. Ergo, Sam is bulkier. But, whatever.
The irony of this statement given the rest of the post is not lost on me
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Joey did not appear to be in a boot last night. Any word on the rehab?
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 08, 2018, 09:15:24 AM
He's been balling out the last 4 games. Taking what the defense gives him, which has included some 3 pt attempts. His slashing ability is a much needed asset on this team. If I had a wishlist, it'd be that he get better at FTs (even though they no matta) and develop a back to the basket move. His demise has been greatly exaggerated; he will be a key glue guy that sets the bar for physicality on offense and defense. Just really glad we found him.
Well said. Sacar is an absolute asset to this team and program over the next two + years. He's a VAST improvement over Haanif - MUCH more athletic, and an above the rim capable player. Very good slasher, and his shooting will improve some.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2018, 11:27:34 AM
Marquette must have won. The arguments have devolved down to which Hauser is bulkier.
#bulknomatta
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2018, 11:27:34 AM
Marquette must have won. The arguments have devolved down to which Hauser is bulkier.
Whos got the better neck though
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
I wasn't aware that you were present for his weigh ins. I think Joey has been listed as 6"8 210 lb since the beginning of his junior year. He is neither 6"8 nor 210 lbs now. Not if his brother is truly 6"8 225 lbs. Joey has an inch on his brother and is either the same weight or slightly heavier and appeared to me to have more muscle. I shook Sam's hand and then Joey's and sat in the same room as them for an hour and my first thought was "dang, Joey's bulkier than his brother already". I am just reporting what I saw.
TAMU, just out of curiosity, how'd you get yourself in this situation?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2018, 02:22:42 PM
TAMU, just out of curiosity, how'd you get yourself in this situation?
Sorry, TAMU is sworn to secrecy regarding the location of the hot yoga classes.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 08, 2018, 03:32:28 PM
Sorry, TAMU is sworn to secrecy regarding the location of the hot yoga classes.
First rule of hot yoga class, don't talk about the location of hot yoga class
Sorry, TAMU, I didn't get his ht. and wt. He came down the arena right by us, no boot, and my impression was long, tall, skinny, young, gotta be Joey. My niece, a recent SHU grad (who looks young) thought he looked "old." That was the last thing I thought he looked like.
The "foul" on Desi Rodriguez that Rowsey "committed" at the end of the 2nd was very very very very very bad.
Sacar reminds me of sophomore year Vander. Not as good defensively, but our best perimeter defender that is willing to mix it up on that end of the court, jumps well, but still lacks touch offensively. Sometimes he almost seems to surprise himself with how athletic he is. Like he doesn't realize he covered as much ground as he did and winds up missing what should be an easy finish because he loses a sense of where he is on the court/around the basket. And he still doesn't have the best touch around the rim. He has been much better with this of late. The little teardrop in the first half and a few of those reverse layups were very nice.
If he can work on his touch in traffic the game will slow down for him a bit. He is by far our best slasher due to his combination of strength and athleticism. And he has a good feel for when to cut.
If he can give us junior year Vander by his senior year, look out. I don't think he'll ever score as much as Vander did because Vander was "the guy" while Sacar will be, at best, "the third guy," but his play of late has me very encouraged.
Between Vander and Jamil Wilson. I think Sacar moves like Jamil sometimes.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
Between Vander and Jamil Wilson. I think Sacar moves like Jamil sometimes.
I see more Vander than Jamil. Jamil has such a pretty jumper and was much more of finesse player. Didn't mix up much on d.
So, has the Scoop Intelligencia netted out on girth matters over bulk and size?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2018, 09:05:13 PM
I see more Vander than Jamil. Jamil has such a pretty jumper and was much more of finesse player. Didn't mix up much on d.
Vander was much quicker than Sacar.
I agree with tower, in terms of movement, Sacar is more like Jamil.
On a serious note, did we ever find what caused the tussle at the end of the half? Got to love Wojo getting into it. All he said after was he was trying to get him out of the cuddle.
Rewatching, the only thing I think that started it was Harry's foul a few minutes before.
Who was cuddling? That doesn't sound good.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 08, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
On a serious note, did we ever find what caused the tussle at the end of the half? Got to love Wojo getting into it. All he said after was he was trying to get him out of the cuddle.
Rewatching, the only thing I think that started it was Harry's foul a few minutes before.
Apparently one of the SHU players got near the bench and Elliott pushed him out of the way and Wojo stepped in between.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 09, 2018, 07:08:06 AM
Apparently one of the SHU players got near the bench and Elliott pushed him out of the way and Wojo stepped in between.
That's not a complete description. The SHU player got in between our players when they were grouping up (he was walking through them back to his side). He did a little jawing and tried the casual shoulder check walking through Elliott.
Elliott held his ground and didn't let him walk through him, and gave him a little shoulder check of his own. The SHU player then started jawing and confronting more MU players and Wojo stepped in between.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
If he can give us junior year Vander by his senior year, look out.
Vander was the best offensive AND defensive player (and also the leader) of an elite 8, Big East Conference co champion. If Sacar is that good his senior year (and we have Markus, Sam, Joey, Morrow, etc., etc.,) we should be (at worst) top 5 and a legit national championship contender. Hope you're right but I'm a little skeptical.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 09, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Vander was the best offensive AND defensive player (and also the leader) of an elite 8, Big East Conference co champion. If Sacar is that good his senior year (and we have Markus, Sam, Joey, Morrow, etc., etc.,) we should be (at worst) top 5 and a legit national championship contender. Hope you're right but I'm a little skeptical.
Ditto.
Quote from: forgetful on February 09, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
That's not a complete description. The SHU player got in between our players when they were grouping up (he was walking through them back to his side). He did a little jawing and tried the casual shoulder check walking through Elliott.
Elliott held his ground and didn't let him walk through him, and gave him a little shoulder check of his own. The SHU player then started jawing and confronting more MU players and Wojo stepped in between.
Loved the way Wojo stepped in, like he was teaching Matt defensive position .
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 09, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Vander was the best offensive AND defensive player (and also the leader) of an elite 8, Big East Conference co champion. If Sacar is that good his senior year (and we have Markus, Sam, Joey, Morrow, etc., etc.,) we should be (at worst) top 5 and a legit national championship contender. Hope you're right but I'm a little skeptical.
Which is exactly why I said Sacar will never score like Vander did because he won't get the same opportunities that Vander got, but if Sacar can get some touch around the rim the way Vander did late in his Marquette career, he can be a very good player come his senior season.
Quote from: forgetful on February 09, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
That's not a complete description. The SHU player got in between our players when they were grouping up (he was walking through them back to his side). He did a little jawing and tried the casual shoulder check walking through Elliott.
Elliott held his ground and didn't let him walk through him, and gave him a little shoulder check of his own. The SHU player then started jawing and confronting more MU players and Wojo stepped in between.
This is what I love about GE. He's a big east guard if ever there was one
Quote from: forgetful on February 09, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
That's not a complete description. The SHU player got in between our players when they were grouping up (he was walking through them back to his side). He did a little jawing and tried the casual shoulder check walking through Elliott.
Elliott held his ground and didn't let him walk through him, and gave him a little shoulder check of his own. The SHU player then started jawing and confronting more MU players and Wojo stepped in between.
I think it was Desi something must had happened because he went right by Elliot and did shoulder check him. Elliot gave him a good shove and they started jawing at each other. The were being separated and SH's players started coming over while Wojo did the D move. But yeah the SH player, think Desi, went right in the middle of the MU players.
Ok—SH had the ball and took a shot and missed as time expired at half. The rebound came off towards MUs bench. Desi went to retrieve the ball and shoot the ball even though the buzzer had sounded a few seconds earlier. By this time the MU bench players were on the court shaking MU players that were coming off the court and heading to the locker room. As Desi started toward SH bench, Greg Elliott was now out on the court. Desi pushes GE out of the way as he tries to walk by. GE pushes him back. DR takes exception and came back towards GE and Wojo separated them by keeping DR away from MU players by putting his hands up. Carrington comes running in to stand up for his guy. Willard and refs step in.
That is what happened.
OK, that's exactly what I saw on the multiple replays/highlights.
But does anyone have any info on the fan who got ejected by the ref?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 09, 2018, 04:51:38 PM
OK, that's exactly what I saw on the multiple replays/highlights.
But does anyone have any info on the fan who got ejected by the ref?
It's Jersey. What else do you need to know?
Quote from: #bansultan on February 09, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
It's Jersey. What else do you need to know?
Who was the ref?
*checks*
Driscoll.
Yep, that checks out.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 09, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
Who was the ref?
*checks*
Driscoll.
Yep, that checks out.
Ah yes. Good point.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 09, 2018, 06:03:02 PM
Ah yes. Good point.
I mean Driscoll in Jersey? Only surprise was there weren't multiple ejections!
Quote from: #bansultan on February 09, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
It's Jersey. What else do you need to know?
In the money seats too. That location is the equivalent of Tuggie getting the heave ho from his seats.
Then again, it is Jersey. I hope the STH wasn't named Guido or else Pat's 100th consecutive night reffing streak will be broken along with his legs.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 09, 2018, 06:45:42 PM
In the money seats too. That location is the equivalent of Tuggie getting the heave ho from his seats.
Then again, it is Jersey. I hope the STH wasn't named Guido or else Pat's 100th consecutive night reffing streak will be broken along with his legs.
The money seats for a Hall game cost the equivalent of sitting in Row 2 of the 403 section in the Bradley Center. So, it was just a typical Jersey goombah. We have a plethora of them.