Markus. Heldt honorable mention.
5 starters in double figures. I could give it to Matt for his points and his defense on Delgado. Two missed bunnies hurt. At halftime, I could have given it to Sacar. But 30 points is 30 points.
Markus
Markus.
Sacar gets daps too. But...
Markus Howard 32p on 84.6% eFG% & 10/10 FT. Also, 7 boards, 3 assists, only 2 TOs. #M2N #LeagueMe.
Matt. Made Delgado a nonfactor.
1.Markus
1a. Matt- did a great job against Delgado
At the half I'd have said Sacar. But Howard silently took over this game
Heldt had 10points, 8 boards, no turnovers. Last game against SH had 9 and 7. Only good games he played, but both wins.
Markus was great, but with Heldt at line and making those two, let's vote for Matt. Change things up for upcoming games.
1. M2N. Played his game, extremely efficient. 32 pts. 7 rbs. only 13 shots.
2. Hauser 16/10. Solid...his game
3. Sacar. All around great game.
4. Heldt. Great performance.
2-4 interchangeable.
Espn540 voted for Matt.
Quote from: nyg on February 07, 2018, 08:19:35 PM
Heldt had 10points, 8 boards, no turnovers. Last game against SH had 9 and 7. Only good games he played, but both wins.
Markus was great, but with Heldt at line and making those two, let's vote for Matt. Change things up for upcoming games.
Markus had 32 pts on 13 shots
Let's vote legitimately and not "change things up"
Heldt
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2018, 08:21:18 PM
Markus had 32 pts on 13 shots
Let's vote legitimately and not "change things up"
It's crazy that 30 from Markus is just starting to feel normal. This kid is special.
Quote from: Tugg Speedman on February 07, 2018, 08:22:06 PM
Heldt
Heldt's defense forced Delgado to the bench with 6 minutes to play. #Angelbanishment
Markus
The ice cream man.
FTs were clutch. near double-double. How many centers are shooting 90%+ from the FT line in D1?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 07, 2018, 08:26:39 PM
The ice cream man.
FTs were clutch. near double-double. How many centers are shooting 90%+ from the FT line in D1?
#FTsNoMatta
Matt, Made Delgado average.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 07, 2018, 08:27:23 PM
#FTsNoMatta
They did tonight. Yes, I know, team FT % over the course of the year is a negligible statistic. Tonight, they mattered.
I'm going Markus. It was a near perfect game. But I'm so happy for Matty. He's done an incredible job outplaying Delgado BOTH games this year. We don't win without his effort either. As Wojo said on the postgame, 'Matthew, you're going to go back in and win the game for us' after he missed the 2 bunnies.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2018, 08:29:04 PM
They did tonight. Yes, I know, team FT % over the course of the year is a negligible statistic. Tonight, they mattered.
No doubt about it tonight.
I would give it to Heldt. He played well and drained two big free throws.
Heldt had a very nice game. But M2N was definitely SOTG.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2018, 08:29:04 PM
They did tonight. Yes, I know, team FT % over the course of the year is a negligible statistic. Tonight, they mattered.
What mattered was #mubb shooting a far higher eFG%. Turnovers brought Seton Hall into the discussion, but it wasn't enough.
Brutally tough call on this one.
Ultimately have to go with:
Markus
1a Heldt
1b Sacar
Sacar and Heldt were huge this game, but Markus's line is pure stud. His best game in awhile.
Sam Iam Hauser
I'm a tough grader, and I really dislike trying to give it to somebody outside our big 3 "just because," but I think a really, really solid case can be made for Matt Heldt here.
Forced to play a ton of minutes due to Theo's absence, he responded big-time. Defended very well against one of the best post players in America, had some huge offensive rebounds down the stretch, and he was the only player who could get open on 2 straight inbound plays when we were about a half-second from getting a 5-second violation each time. The first time, he caught it and immediately handed it to Markus - very heads-up thinking despite being under pressure, one of those "little things" that isn't little at all.
And he hit those 2 FTs with all the pressure in the world on him. A lot of stars miss one of those; Mailman, Wade and LeBron have missed similar! And Heldt was yukking it up with a ref as he was waiting to be handed the ball on the first one. Cool as a cucumber.
I've been saying that "less is more" when it comes to Matt because he is so limited offensively and because he sometimes gets overpowered defensively. And I have to admit that when he missed that second bunny I screamed. "Dunk the effen ball!" so loudly at the TV that my wife told me to grow up and my dog ran into the other room.
But he really had a heck of a game today.
Difficult not to give it to Markus - he scored 30, was incredibly efficient and made some very smart decisions. Obviously, he's deserving.
But if I were the mods, I think I'd go with Heldt here ... and it wouldn't be a "give one of the other guys for a change" choice. He did more than just play really well; he was a difference-maker in ways big and small.
Honestly, I can't believe I wrote that last paragraph!
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2018, 08:38:52 PM
I'm a tough grader, and I really dislike trying to give it to somebody outside our big 3 "just because," but I think a really, really solid case can be made for Matt Heldt here.
Forced to play a ton of minutes due to Theo's absence, he responded big-time. Defended very well against one of the best post players in America, had some huge offensive rebounds down the stretch, and he was the only player who could get open on 2 straight inbound plays when we were about a half-second from getting a 5-second violation each time. The first time, he caught it and immediately handed it to Markus - very heads-up thinking despite being under pressure, one of those "little things" that isn't little at all.
And he hit those 2 FTs with all the pressure in the world on him. A lot of stars miss one of those; Mailman, Wade and LeBron have missed similar! And Heldt was yukking it up with a ref as he was waiting to be handed the ball on the first one. Cool as a cucumber.
I've been saying that "less is more" when it comes to Matt because he is so limited offensively and because he sometimes gets overpowered defensively. And I have to admit that when he missed that second bunny I screamed. "Dunk the effen ball!" so loudly at the TV that my wife told me to grow up and my dog ran into the other room.
But he really had a heck of a game today.
Difficult not to give it to Markus - he scored 30, was incredibly efficient and made some very smart decisions. Obviously, he's deserving.
But if I were the mods, I think I'd go with Heldt here ... and it wouldn't be a "give one of the other guys for a change" choice. He did more than just play really well; he was a difference-maker in ways big and small.
Honestly, I can't believe I wrote that last paragraph!
Great post. Tend to agree. Hilarious to the bolded..
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 07, 2018, 08:15:49 PM
Markus.
Sacar gets daps too. But...
Markus Howard 32p on 84.6% eFG% & 10/10 FT. Also, 7 boards, 3 assists, only 2 TOs. #M2N #LeagueMe.
Can't argue w the stats. God I love that kids game.
But also defense.
Matt. All around game today.
Markus!
Gotta go with Howard. 32 points on 13 shots, 10-10 FT and 7 rebounds. Excellent nights for 4 of the 5 starters.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2018, 08:29:04 PM
They did tonight. Yes, I know, team FT % over the course of the year is a negligible statistic. Tonight, they mattered.
Nice try, tower.
We could go 80-for-80 from the line with no FGs and our opponent could go 0-for-80 from the line in a game we win 80-79 ... and FTs
still wouldn't have matta-ed!
I understand JB's larger argument. I even agree. However, there are times, like tonight, where free throws make a difference.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 07, 2018, 08:37:57 PM
What mattered was #mubb shooting a far higher eFG%. Turnovers brought Seton Hall into the discussion, but it wasn't enough.
And MU shooting a far higher eFG% wouldn't mean jack crap if Hall makes 4 more FT's. Convert Hall's FT shooting to the 87% MU shot and this game was easily Seton Hall's. FTR and FT% Matter.
Feel free to continue on with your Markus to NBA and Cristal Bowel schtick as they have merit, this FT No Matta is just asinine.
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 07, 2018, 08:51:11 PM
And MU shooting a far higher eFG% wouldn't mean jack crap if Hall makes 4 more FT's. Convert Hall's FT shooting to the 87% MU shot and this game was easily Seton Hall's. FTR and FT% Matter.
Feel free to continue on with your Markus to NBA and Cristal Bowel schtick as they have merit, this FT No Matta is just asinine.
Of course they matter slap. What JB can actually prove is that they are the least relevant measurement of all the measurements. So things like eFG% count for so much more that one's FT% is not typically a determining factor. Of course it mattered huuuge tonight.
I want to say Matt because he played so well (those back to back missed bunnies notwithstanding) but it's got to be Markus for 32 on 13 shots. Anim a great game, too, but falls down for not finishing enough at the rim, though the last one was huge.
If Delgado has his usual game, we lose. Marcus scoring 30 does not count.
THE TERROR FROM NEENAH
Markus, because 32 points on 13 shots is 32 points on 13 shots.
But Anim is next up. Drove hard, drew fouls, and did great on the defensive end. Matt would be third for me.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2018, 08:38:52 PM
But if I were the mods, I think I'd go with Heldt here ... and it wouldn't be a "give one of the other guys for a change" choice. He did more than just play really well; he was a difference-maker in ways big and small.
Agree. My vote for Matt was for his performance...not because he is "one of the other guys."
Markus, no doubt.
Sacar was fantastic. Sam was good. Rowsey had some very good moments and some maddening ones.
Heldt did a very good job on Delgado.
Heldt
Quote from: Logi4three on February 07, 2018, 09:12:26 PM
Heldt
Agree. For the remainder of the year SOTG should equate to "DEFENSIVE SOTG".
Defense is what we lack most. And, if you single-handedly shut down the opposition's best player, you've earned it.
Interesting tweet from Mac:
You need to take the shot you are most confident in and you feel will be most effective. If you don't have instant hops, the wind up for a dunk can allow the defense time to make a lot of adjustments.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 07, 2018, 09:17:44 PM
Interesting tweet from Mac:
You need to take the shot you are most confident in and you feel will be most effective. If you don't have instant hops, the wind up for a dunk can allow the defense time to make a lot of adjustments.
Oh, don't I know it.
For every 20 windmill dunks I made "back in the day," I probably missed one 1 or 2!
Markus by about as many lengths as Secratariat won the Belmont.
Sam, Rowsey, Sacar and Matt also played well but this was not close.
1. Heldt
2. Sacar
Look. Heldt was very good for him. Great defense. Hit 2 big free throws. I was very happy with how he played today. He also bricked 2 easy shots that could have helped us pull away.
It's Markus and it's really not close between him and Heldt. I can understand voting for Sacar even though I don't agree with it. Markus had 32 and 7 on 9-13 shooting. 32 with that efficiency? Come on.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2018, 08:38:52 PM
I'm a tough grader, and I really dislike trying to give it to somebody outside our big 3 "just because," but I think a really, really solid case can be made for Matt Heldt here.
Forced to play a ton of minutes due to Theo's absence, he responded big-time. Defended very well against one of the best post players in America, had some huge offensive rebounds down the stretch, and he was the only player who could get open on 2 straight inbound plays when we were about a half-second from getting a 5-second violation each time. The first time, he caught it and immediately handed it to Markus - very heads-up thinking despite being under pressure, one of those "little things" that isn't little at all.
And he hit those 2 FTs with all the pressure in the world on him. A lot of stars miss one of those; Mailman, Wade and LeBron have missed similar! And Heldt was yukking it up with a ref as he was waiting to be handed the ball on the first one. Cool as a cucumber.
I've been saying that "less is more" when it comes to Matt because he is so limited offensively and because he sometimes gets overpowered defensively. And I have to admit that when he missed that second bunny I screamed. "Dunk the effen ball!" so loudly at the TV that my wife told me to grow up and my dog ran into the other room.
But he really had a heck of a game today.
Difficult not to give it to Markus - he scored 30, was incredibly efficient and made some very smart decisions. Obviously, he's deserving.
But if I were the mods, I think I'd go with Heldt here ... and it wouldn't be a "give one of the other guys for a change" choice. He did more than just play really well; he was a difference-maker in ways big and small.
Honestly, I can't believe I wrote that last paragraph!
The exact same thing happened in our house. Well, not exactly. It was chick screaming at the TV and glow jr. telling her to settle down. :o
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 07, 2018, 09:17:44 PM
Interesting tweet from Mac:
You need to take the shot you are most confident in and you feel will be most effective. If you don't have instant hops, the wind up for a dunk can allow the defense time to make a lot of adjustments.
Ners taught Mac
Markus
Matt/Sacar/Sam
Markus. Cmon guys. Lots of big time contributions tonight tho.
Markus edges out Matt by two missed layups for SOTG. Sacar gets HM.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 07, 2018, 09:20:34 PM
Markus by about as many lengths as Secratariat won the Belmont.
Sam, Rowsey, Sacar and Matt also played well but this was not close.
C'mon, it was definitely closer than the '73 Belmont :)
"Secretariat set a world record for a one and a half mile course in 2:24, and a record for largest margin of victory in the Belmont, 31 lengths."
This team needs a defensive mindset, and so does this fanbase.
SOTG=DEFENSIVE STUD.
Markus.
Howard fo sho.
Heldt and Hauser for co-honorable mentions.
Sacar and Rowsey were nice too (but too many TOs for AR again)
and Markus wasn't even the best Howard brother today...
Jordan Howard, Central Arkansas • 35 pts (7-9 2's, 5-7 3's, 6-6 FT's) • 6 Rebs • 5 Assists
Heldt, for defensive play and knocking down the clutch #ftsmatta at the end.
Heldt MY MILKMAN
MUWarrior69, my moral support won the game.
I shook hands with Steve Novak who was at the game. I left my phone in my jacket so no selfie, damn. There were quite a few MU alums there as well.
Rowsey says Sacar
https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/961434049767182336
The starters all stepped up tonight and made big contributions. Even with his 5 turnovers and relative off-night shooting, Andrew still shot 3-6 three-pointers and dished 7 assists. Sam was great with scoring, rebounding and defense. Sacar and Matt haven't played better all year.
But my vote still goes to Markus. Not just because he scored 32, but because he played such an efficient, all-around game. 5-7 inside the arc. 4-6 from outside. 7 boards. 3 assists. Played smart and tough. Total stud.
Markus
Heldt/Sacar
Lost in the shuffle of our losing streak has been Sacar's awesome play since Nova. Guy has really grown comfortable in his role and is playing the best basketball of his career. Hope he's one of the catalysts to help us finish strong (re: make the Dance).
Mark the Shark. Pomeroy agrees.
Delgado is one of the biggest forces in the conference, and Heldt heldt it down even in the face of early foul trouble, extended minutes (due to illnesses), and through pressure free throws.
Heldt has my vote.
Of course Howard's offense was key to the win, but this will often be the case over the next few games and the next few years. Heldt's defense won this game and his steady, heady play plus those two crucial free throws at the end sealed it. As Raf might say: give it to the big fella, he deserves it!
This is tough but I've got to go with Markus, he was cold blooded.
We need to stop being numb to Markus' greatness. He was awesome last night. Super efficient. Took good shots. 32 on 9/13 shooting? 7 rebounds to boot? Kid's a star.
#M2SOTG
Heldt.
He deserves 20-25 mins/game.
Maybe he's just one of those guys who plays better when he starts?
Heldt's intangibles made the rest possible.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 08, 2018, 09:18:26 AM
Heldt.
He deserves 20-25 mins/game.
Maybe he's just one of those guys who plays better when he starts?
Heldt's intangibles made the rest possible.
No, he just plays better against low post centers like Angel Delgado and Ethan Happ. Not as good moving in space.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 08, 2018, 09:18:26 AM
Heldt.
He deserves 20-25 mins/game.
Maybe he's just one of those guys who plays better when he starts?
Heldt's intangibles made the rest possible.
25 might be a bit much with how well Theo has been playing lately. I think Matt is a guy that is a momentum kind of player. He seems like a bucket here or there adds a real spring to his step and added confidence. A couple bad misses, and he may slow down a bit and not be as alert. Last night, he seemed to thrive on defense, and that improved his all around game. This was really a great game from him.
That said, I think you still have to give Markus the nod. I don't know if he's had a game that efficient yet this year.
Matt guards the post well. He struggles in space. And he isn't a shot blocker. But he played very well against Delgado.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 08, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
No, he just plays better against low post centers like Angel Delgado and Ethan Happ. Not as good moving in space.
This.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 08, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
No, he just plays better against low post centers like Angel Delgado and Ethan Happ. Not as good moving in space.
Definitely agree here. What we saw last night was the best we can get from Matt. Got 23 minutes and I would think with Theo in the mix he should be getting 15-20 against these types of opponents. Against more versatile and quicker big men, he has trouble and arguably should be getting no more than 10-12 min IMO.
Still get frustrated with his offensive game but it is what it is. Several times he would lumber around setting high screens and roll toward the basket virtually unguarded. Half of me wants him to get the ball but then the other half is screaming NO NO NO because he struggles to finish with confidence or authority. 90%+ from the line though is a big deal. Just wish he would be more aggressive to get to the stripe more often.
Giving it to Markus but without Matt's effort, wouldn't have come out on top, so wouldn't be surprised either way.
Matt played well last night. But he almost cost us the game missing 2 critical bunnies in crunch time.
But he made up for it with his free throws.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2018, 09:58:54 AM
Matt played well last night. But he almost cost us the game missing 2 critical bunnies in crunch time.
But he made up for it with his free throws.
The missed bunnies, along with Anim's, were huge at the time, though partially negated by the fact that SH missed an even easier one on a breakaway shortly thereafter. Give and take, it happens in the course of a game.
Although a very good FT shooter % wise, swishing those two FTs shooter given how few pressure moments he has had like that showed some real stones. Good for him, he's easy to cheer for.
We're becoming numb to individual 30 point games. In most years, 30 points in a BE game would be the offensive performance of MU's season. This year it has happened 8 times. We've also had high scorers of 29 (Rowesy vs Nova) and 26 (Howard vs Xavier). Hauser had 19 in the DePaul game, which never was competitive, and Markus had 16 vs Providence on Saturday.
We're becoming spoiled with the barrage of 30 point games. Let's not lose sight of how valuable that is, especially with an efficient night of shooting.
1. Markus
2. Matt
3. Sacar
4. Hauser
2-4 are basically interchangeable.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 08, 2018, 11:01:06 AM
We're becoming numb to individual 30 point games.
I'll take Good Problems to Have for $600, Alex.
The post-game look on Delgado's face said it - Heldt STG.
Out of multiple candidates, I've gotta go with Markus.
Does anybody have a quick way to reference when was the last time MU had 5 starters in DF's?
Howard. 32 points on 13 shots. Others played well.......I know we all want to give it to someone who hasn't won the SOTG yet, but come on. This one is easy. Lock it up
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 08, 2018, 05:22:19 PM
Out of multiple candidates, I've gotta go with Markus.
Does anybody have a quick way to reference when was the last time MU had 5 starters in DF's?
It was against LSU..
(https://i.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
Matt had a great game and did a great job on Delgado.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 08, 2018, 09:18:26 AM
Heldt.
He deserves 20-25 mins/game.
No (IMHO).
We will be a better team when a player of such limited skills never needs to play more than 10-15 minutes. (And I'm one who picked Heldt as SOTG in a close call; obviously, no problem with Markus getting it.)
Wojo gets criticized often, some deserved and some not, but one thing he has done quite well these last couple of years is manage the center position - especially this season. Most games, he has a very good feel for it, and he's generally quite good at putting each center in a position to succeed.
Theo was out, and Matt has had some success against SH in the past. Plus, Harry had looked a bit lost recently. Wojo gave Matt a shot, and Heldt took advantage with his best game this season by far.
On Saturday, if Theo is healthy, Matt might play less than 10 minutes again - as he had been doing in recent games.
I trust Wojo to make the right call ... though if he ends up making the wrong one, I hope a student reporter asks him about it - ha!