I honestly don't believe Rowsey and Howard can be on the floor at the same time.
Cain and Elliott need more court time.
Every good team we play can get any shot they want! The degree of difficulty on our shots is much higher than our opponent, each and every game. Not a winning recipe.
Adhering to the basic principles of "stay between your man and the basket" and "don't leave your feet" would go long way
Howard is the worst defender I've seen at Marquette.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 31, 2018, 09:40:28 PM
Howard is the worst defender I've seen at Marquette.
Rowsey would like to show you more of what he can do
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 31, 2018, 09:40:28 PM
Howard is the worst defender I've seen at Marquette.
Did you get a chance to see Niv Berkowitz?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 31, 2018, 09:44:36 PM
Rowsey would like to show you more of what he can do
I feel like he puts up a fight, just short. Howard is Swiss cheese.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 31, 2018, 09:46:45 PM
I feel like he puts up a fight, just short. Howard is Swiss cheese.
I actually get the opposite impression, which probably just means they both suck
The fact that there's a debate about who's worse, makes my point. The team is far better with one of them on the bench.
When was the last time we got blown out, oh yea, two weeks ago
This team has given up 89 or more SIX TIMES already in the BE This is the worst defensive team I can remember at MU EVER!
New Age Defense!
maybe try a zone so rowsey and howard each dont have 2 fouls at half
I'd like to see Rowsy come off the bench for the remainder of his time at MU.
Need to set a defensive tone early in the remaining games. Start Elliott and put him on the opponent's best guard.
Doing what we've been doing is #soft.
Sac, Greg, and Jamal need to play together on the floor more best 3 defenders on the team
Quote from: 94Warrior on January 31, 2018, 09:17:13 PM
I honestly don't believe Rowsey and Howard can be on the floor at the same time.
Cain and Elliott need more court time.
Every good team we play can get any shot they want! The degree of difficulty on our shots is much higher than our opponent, each and every game. Not a winning recipe.
This. That. The other. Says it all.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 31, 2018, 11:22:11 PM
Sac, Greg, and Jamal need to play together on the floor more best 3 defenders on the team
I can see that occasionally...but doubt it would work for long stretches. On offense, Greg and Jamal show promise, but I'm not sure either is ready to be a go-to scorer. I do want to see Greg and Jamal getting more and more minutes though.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 31, 2018, 11:28:03 PM
I can see that occasionally...but doubt it would work for long stretches. On offense, Greg and Jamal show promise, but I'm not sure either is ready to be a go-to scorer.
I really like how Sac drives to the hoop but he never gets any calls, wish jamal would drive more i know he has a nice 3 point jumper but i feel like he falls in love with it too often, greg just needs to keep doing what sac is doing taking it the rim and try to get calls.
Not trying to rip on these kids just something id like to see from them
Don't get distracted, we're talking defense. That's really all that matters if this season can be salvaged.
6-2 will not happen if we continue to give up 90 points.
Quote from: 94Warrior on January 31, 2018, 11:15:38 PM
I'd like to see Rowsy come off the bench for the remainder of his time at MU.
Need to set a defensive tone early in the remaining games. Start Elliott and put him on the opponent's best guard.
Doing what we've been doing is #soft.
If anyone should come off the bench, it should be Markus. Like it or not, we need Rowsey running the point. No one else on the team is comfortable handling the ball for extended periods, and it shows. We need Rowsey on the floor to run the offense. He'll continue to start, and he deserves to continue to start.
There is no defensive scheme or lineup that Wojo can run with at this point in the year that will be good enough for us to be a defensive-focused team. We need as much offense on the floor as we can if we want to win. Gotta start Rowsey.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 31, 2018, 11:42:25 PM
If anyone should come off the bench, it should be Markus. Like it or not, we need Rowsey running the point. No one else on the team is comfortable handling the ball for extended periods, and it shows. We need Rowsey on the floor to run the offense. He'll continue to start, and he deserves to continue to start.
There is no defensive scheme or lineup that Wojo can run with at this point in the year that will be good enough for us to be a defensive-focused team. We need as much offense on the floor as we can if we want to win. Gotta start Rowsey.
Run the offense? The offense is fine.
I'm talking about holding a team under 80.
I'm taking about keeping the opponent from feeling like they are in a layup line.
We don't need as many scorers on the floor as we can get. We need to stop taking the ball out of the net at a ridiculously high rate.
Markus and Greg were the only ones competing tonight. The only ones.
"The defense needs to be addressed" was addressed before the year began. It was going to blow. How bad was the only question. The answer has been 'pretty bad, not quite as bad as last year, but still crappy."
Easy.
Quote from: 94Warrior on January 31, 2018, 11:57:12 PM
Run the offense? The offense is fine.
I'm talking about holding a team under 80.
I'm taking about keeping the opponent from feeling like they are in a layup line.
We don't need as many scorers on the floor as we can get. We need to stop taking the ball out of the net at a ridiculously high rate.
The saddest part isn't that the team doesn't enjoy playing defense.....we dont even seem to think it's part of the game. Our last 3 opponents relish playing great defense. Butler out of necessity, X and V because they want to be great, not just very good teams.
Sure we can be fun to watch when our O is hitting on all cylinders...but I had the most fun watching our KO teams hold team after team to 35% shooting. It's amazing our crowds can even get into the game, when D is always the best way to rile a crowd up.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2018, 12:03:39 AM
"The defense needs to be addressed" was addressed before the year began. It was going to blow. How bad was the only question. The answer has been 'pretty bad, not quite as bad as last year, but still crappy."
Easy.
#bricks
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2018, 12:03:39 AM
"The defense needs to be addressed" was addressed before the year began. It was going to blow. How bad was the only question. The answer has been 'pretty bad, not quite as bad as last year, but still crappy."
Easy.
Hope that's not the same approach for next year.
Greg is my favorite player on the team . He keeps improving and when his thumb is finally healed we will reallly start to see some exceptional performances from him. He is our best defender because of his length and his ability to use that length intelligently.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 31, 2018, 09:40:28 PM
Howard is the worst defender I've seen at Marquette.
I've been keeping stats since 2013. I can tell you that in that time period that Howard is statistically the worst defender Marquette has ever seen. I'd have to run old numbers, but I'd be pretty confident that Howard is statistically the worst in the KenPom era.
Rowsey was actually average last season but has been nearly as bad as Howard this season.
For those who were calling for an end to bigs hedging on ball screens, you got your wish the past two games. The reality is, Howard and Rowsey aren't good enough to defend a player while being screened on their own. They need help. We've been switching on screens the past two games and clearly it is not a magic fix. Howard got switched onto Martin and Wideman repeatedly and they ate him alive (which you would expect at that size).
Our defense allows the opposing offense to impose their will....never the other way around. I don't know how to fix it. I don't know that there is fixing it.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2018, 02:03:16 AM
I've been keeping stats since 2013. I can tell you that in that time period that Howard is statistically the worst defender Marquette has ever seen. I'd have to run old numbers, but I'd be pretty confident that Howard is statistically the worst in the KenPom era.
Rowsey was actually average last season but has been nearly as bad as Howard this season.
For those who were calling for an end to bigs hedging on ball screens, you got your wish the past two games. The reality is, Howard and Rowsey aren't good enough to defend a player while being screened on their own. They need help. We've been switching on screens the past two games and clearly it is not a magic fix. Howard got switched onto Martin and Wideman repeatedly and they ate him alive (which you would expect at that size).
Our defense allows the opposing offense to impose their will....never the other way around. I don't know how to fix it. I don't know that there is fixing it.
Where is Derrick Wilson when we need him. Wojo is saying the same thing.
Quote from: LAZER on February 01, 2018, 12:42:20 AM
Hope that's not the same approach for next year.
...and we'll need more than Morrow to be our stopper next year.
The defense needs to be addressed? It's GD February!
There are a lot of lesser-talented teams than MU that play decent defense. This team is small, and slow. Even so, there has to be a high degree of disinclination (or disinterest) to learn defense for them to be this abjectly poor at it. What surprised me was that on the occasions vs. Butler that we went to a zone - the results were equally bad if not worse.
It would be one thing if at least some progress since November was demonstrated. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be the case. Looks like an NIT year - not good.
It's poor coaching. Let's face it, Wojo did not prepare this team for the game. He did a lousy job of coaching during the game. He can recruit, but, he is not a good coach. End of story.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2018, 05:29:29 AM
...and we'll need more than Morrow to be our stopper next year.
Is there any real reason to think Morrow will help next year? I have never seen him play. I think subtracting Rousey from the D will help a bit. Someone please tell me why we will be better on D next year?
Quote from: Warrior1969 on February 01, 2018, 07:35:56 AM
Is there any real reason to think Morrow will help next year? I have never seen him play. I think subtracting Rousey from the D will help a bit. Someone please tell me why we will be better on D next year?
Morrow is 6ft 7 and goes 235 and averaged almost 8 rebounds a game in the Big Ten. Players like Wideman, Govan, Martin etc would not be pushing our frontcourt around like now. Theo is a big kid, but he has a way to go.
Besides the interior help of Morrow, Rowsey will be replaced hopefully by a taller experienced guard.
Right now MU is getting abused by larger stronger forwards and by their opposing two guards. Two of those replacements should eliminate that problem, but a new scheme has to be implemented.
We have the horses. Wojo teach them to press. Not just to consume shot clock but to steal. Wear em out. We won't be Nolan Richardson's Ark team but 20 min of Hell is possible. Everyone plays. Defense is farther from the rim. Less emphasis on height, more on smarts quickness creativity and heart.
I say don't worry about tiring people out. Use everybody.
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 01, 2018, 08:12:33 AM
We have the horses. Wojo teach them to press. Not just to consume shot clock but to steal. Wear em out. We won't be Nolan Richardson's Ark team but 20 min of Hell is possible. Everyone plays. Defense is farther from the rim. Less emphasis on height, more on smarts quickness creativity and heart.
I say don't worry about tiring people out. Use everybody.
There's not enough quickness on this team.
And this isn't about New Age Defenses.
This is a team full of bad defensive players. There isn't a scheme in the world that is going to make these guys better at defense.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 01, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
There's not enough quickness on this team.
And this isn't about New Age Defenses.
This is a team full of bad defensive players. There isn't a scheme in the world that is going to make these guys better at defense.
So if it can't be taught than what's the solution? Recruit better defenders?
Quote from: #bansultan on February 01, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
There's not enough quickness on this team.
This is a team full of bad defensive players. There isn't a scheme in the world that is going to make these guys better at defense.
Just to challenge your thinking. I have never wondered in my MU fandom whether or not players have been taught basic defensive fundamentals until the last 3 years. There have been players where I felt they couldn't do it, but never questioned that they were told the right way to do it. Why do I question this? Because there isn't one player on the team that looks like they are playing the defensive scheme as a team...they all look lost.
So it could be that we just recruited a team full of the world's worst defensive players - but that doesn't make me feel great either since it means our coach recruited an entire team with that caliber.
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on February 01, 2018, 08:42:10 AM
So if it can't be taught than what's the solution? Recruit better defenders?
I didn't say it can't be taught. I was engaging in hyperbole. But yes...more length and quickness on the perimeter would help tremendously.
Quote from: #bansultan on February 01, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
This is a team full of bad defensive players. There isn't a scheme in the world that is going to make these guys better at defense.
I just see very little cohesion and communication on defense. I hear Jay Wright talk often about his guys being on a string defensively, and there's none of that. It's 5 guys guarding their man, with little awareness.
Is there a scheme to fix that? Probably not. But I do wonder how well what they're trying to do is being communicated.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2018, 05:29:29 AM
...and we'll need more than Morrow to be our stopper next year.
Expect Theo to keep improving, Morrow should be playing the 4 and helping with rebounding /D