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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 28, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
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I will watch the game later. Dad is turning 75. No phone rule at dad's parties. So........ natter among yourselves.
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Get this....my niece can't go to the game because of a sorority event. WTF. I told her to dump them.
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Get this....my niece can't go to the game because of a sorority event. WTF. I told her to dump them.
Wasn't that the SAME damn reason half the students couldn't make the game last season?
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No doubt F*ckin' has a family weddin' ta attend again, hey?
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Once you go Greek...
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Once you go Greek...
...you non sequitur to that topic like a vegan marathoner that cross trains until you turn 40?
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Get this....my niece can't go to the game because of a sorority event. WTF. I told her to dump them.
Same w Nova daughter. She’s pissed. I don’t get it on any level.
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Bad Markus showed up today.
Weird reffing.
I still don't think Hauser is involved enough offensively.
Froling is going to be good as a 5. Keep him near the basket.
Fouls hurt us more than anything else.
Wojo got us into this by putting sacar and pressure on brunson.
2 missed fouls at the end - sacar got hacked then bridges trucked Jamal.
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SOTG: The officials
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Hauser must not wanna shoot, he did a lot of other things today like great anticipation on D, but he needs to shoot 10-15 shots a game
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Nova is a much better matchup for MU than Butler or X.
Hard part is past them. Time to win 8 of the last nine.
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Someone explain the free throw disparity? 9 of the 12 FTs for Marquette was from "the thing". So basvally 24-3 in FTs. Normally I write it off as too many 3 pointers but they shot similar numbers. That was over the back at the end and MU never got calls on their drives or finishes at rim. Irritating.
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SOTG: The officials
What were the obvious misses by the officials? I mean there were a couple, like Froling's foul at the end of the first half, but I didn't think they were bad at all.
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Someone explain the free throw disparity? 9 of the 12 FTs for Marquette was from "the thing". So basvally 24-3 in FTs. Normally I write it off as too many 3 pointers but they shot similar numbers. That was over the back at the end and MU never got calls on their drives or finishes at rim. Irritating.
That wasn't an over the back.
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Difreakin dicenzo is a guy you love to hate
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Bad Markus showed up today.
Weird reffing.
I still don't think Hauser is involved enough offensively.
Froling is going to be good as a 5. Keep him near the basket.
Fouls hurt us more than anything else.
Wojo got us into this by putting sacar and pressure on brunson.
2 missed fouls at the end - sacar got hacked then bridges trucked Jamal.
*Extremely disappointed in Howard today. Ball is moving great without him on the floor. He comes in and he jacks up shots early in the clock. Makes me worried about next year.
*Hauser isn't involved because teams are really defending him well. He can't create his own shot consistently so they are right up on him.
*Not sure about the non-call on Anim. Didn't see a replay. Cain's was not a foul. He was reaching for the ball and the defender went through his arms. That's why you gotta box out.
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That wasn't an over the back.
sure it was. I get that you're going to die on that hill, but the refs absolutely affected this game... once again negatively for us.
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What were the obvious misses by the officials? I mean there were a couple, like Froling's foul at the end of the first half, but I didn't think they were bad at all.
We watched different games apparently.
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Someone explain the free throw disparity? 9 of the 12 FTs for Marquette was from "the thing". So basvally 24-3 in FTs. Normally I write it off as too many 3 pointers but they shot similar numbers. That was over the back at the end and MU never got calls on their drives or finishes at rim. Irritating.
Nova's guards are just headier at drawing contact when they penetrate. They're also bigger so they can afford to take more contact in traffic without risking TOs like Rowsey and Howard.
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That wasn't an over the back.
hahahahahaha funniest thing I’ve read today. Cain had position and literally got trucked
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Bad Markus showed up today.
Weird reffing.
I still don't think Hauser is involved enough offensively.
Froling is going to be good as a 5. Keep him near the basket.
Fouls hurt us more than anything else.
Wojo got us into this by putting sacar and pressure on brunson.
2 missed fouls at the end - sacar got hacked then bridges trucked Jamal.
Markus took the most shots on the team today yet sat for nearly half the game due to fouls. He tried to be the hero today and failed.
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That wasn't an over the back.
It wasn't over the back, but it was a foul. That said, Jamal needs 15 pounds of muscle to prevent that from happening.
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sure it was. I get that you're going to die on that hill, but the refs absolutely affected this game... once again negatively for us.
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
hahahahahaha funniest thing I’ve read today. Cain had position and literally got trucked
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
We watched different games apparently.
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
It wasn't over the back, but it was a foul. That said, Jamal needs 15 pounds of muscle to prevent that from happening.
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
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hahahahahaha funniest thing I’ve read today. Cain had position and literally got trucked
No kidding that was the definition of over the back. I mean if it was a push on Froling then I don't see how you see it any other way. Howard gets fouled consistently when he goes to the rim and never gets a call, ever.
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No kidding that was the definition of over the back. I mean if it was a push on Froling then I don't see how you see it any other way. Howard gets fouled consistently when he goes to the rim and never gets a call, ever.
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
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Bad Markus. 5 for 18 with three turnovers. Team made runs with him on bench.
Froling>Heldt.
How many times was Brunson guarded by Froling/Heldt at top of key and he just blew past them, I lost count.
I'm with Sultan, no ref conspiracy, MU just fouls more than other teams, almost every game. After every game, someone always says its the refs fault. Howard and Rowsey trouble each game and it hurts consistency to fullest extent. One or the other is constantly on the bench. Has to stop or MU not going to get it done, don't even want to think about them two going up against Foster/Thomas with Creighton.
MU had its chances, just didn't get it done. Play of game, MU up two, place going crazy. Rowsey then fouls on three pointer, has to go to bench. Howard comes in cold, misses two quick shots, Harry picks up third and Sacar has ugly turnover. Nova goes 7 to 0 run. All in 1:40 seconds of final first half.
Fun watching them make runs, like Cain going nuts, but didn't work it out. Now its time for the "must wins".
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Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
Right. Everyone else is wrong and you’re right. Genius
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I thought Wojo did well today, but I wish we saw more of Elliott on Brunson. Jalen was just abusing our guards at points and Greg might have given him a different look with his reach.
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Right. Everyone else is wrong and you’re right. Genius
Not really. The three refs were correct too.
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Not really. The three refs were correct too.
Yes they’re infallible. More genius takes
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Nope. Take off the blue and gold glasses.
Good insight.
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Yes they’re infallible. More genius takes
I didn't say they were infallible. They didn't get that call wrong though.
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Good insight.
Thank you.
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Only listened to Homer & Mac so I missed many of the little things, so I have a reverse thoughts where I'm going so ask Scoopers questions:
1) Harry sounded like he did excellent and actually did work inside. Did he play more like a true 5 and how was he on the glass?
2) Barely heard Sam's name on offense. Was he not assertive enough or did Nova do something to neutralize him?
3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.
4) What took Markus out of the game, poor play, fouls, or both?
5) What did we do primarily on defense, especially when we were making the runs that got us back in both halves?
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One more thing...
I was very impressed by the defensive effort when Cain was on the floor for Howard. His length and ability to rebound really caused problems. Sticking Anim on Brunson was smart. It wasn't always effective (nothing really was) but he made him work.
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Not really. The three refs were correct too.
For the most part, they were fine. They screwed up badly in the last 2 minutes of the first half, and that made a big difference for us, putting Froling and Rowsey on the bench. The inconsistent calls sure seemed to go Nova's way, no matter who you were pulling for. That's how I saw it. Maybe you need a new optometrist.
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Only listened to Homer & Mac so I missed many of the little things, so I have a reverse thoughts where I'm going so ask Scoopers questions:
1) Harry sounded like he did excellent and actually did work inside. Did he play more like a true 5 and how was he on the glass?
2) Barely heard Sam's name on offense. Was he not assertive enough or did Nova do something to neutralize him?
3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.
4) What took Markus out of the game, poor play, fouls, or both?
5) What did we do primarily on defense, especially when we were making the runs that got us back in both halves?
1. Yes. He did really well. Still gets pushed around and isn't really quick laterally.
2. Paschal was up in his face all game. Sam can't take him off the dribble so there wasn't much he could do.
3. Anim guarded Brunson well and moved well without the ball on offense. Very smart game by him.
4. Fouls early but poor play later. He came in just before the half and took two quick shots on offense outside the flow. Disappointing.
5. Lineup was mostly Rowsey, Cain, Anim, Sam and Harry (or Matt). More length. And the ball moved very well.
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For the most part, they were fine. They screwed up badly in the last 2 minutes of the first half, and that made a big difference for us, putting Froling and Rowsey on the bench. The inconsistent calls sure seemed to go Nova's way, no matter who you were pulling for. That's how I saw it. Maybe you need a new optometrist.
Rowsey did foul on the three. He hit him right on the elbow.
Froling's call was poor.
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Only listened to Homer & Mac so I missed many of the little things, so I have a reverse thoughts where I'm going so ask Scoopers questions:
1) Harry sounded like he did excellent and actually did work inside. Did he play more like a true 5 and how was he on the glass?
2) Barely heard Sam's name on offense. Was he not assertive enough or did Nova do something to neutralize him?
3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.
4) What took Markus out of the game, poor play, fouls, or both?
5) What did we do primarily on defense, especially when we were making the runs that got us back in both halves?
Harry had a few nice plays in the paint; needed more from him on the glass today.
The stuck on Sam and he didn't force anything; need to run more set plays to get him shots.
Anim was a standout today. Great rebounding solid defense. Tremendous cutting action for easy buckets. He'll be really fun to watch as a polished senior in a couple years.
Markus took Markus out of the game today.
Our runs coincided with smart offensive possessions on our side. When we took bad shots on offense they killed us in transition. That was the difference in the game.
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I'd appreciate if someone can post a link to those last two non calls.
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Only listened to Homer & Mac so I missed many of the little things, so I have a reverse thoughts where I'm going so ask Scoopers questions:
1) Harry sounded like he did excellent and actually did work inside. Did he play more like a true 5 and how was he on the glass?
2) Barely heard Sam's name on offense. Was he not assertive enough or did Nova do something to neutralize him?
3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.
4) What took Markus out of the game, poor play, fouls, or both?
5) What did we do primarily on defense, especially when we were making the runs that got us back in both halves?
Markus was really really bad in the 2H. Give us even 75% of his usual game and we win that by 5 or more. Anyone have his 2H stats?
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I'd appreciate if someone can post a link to those last two non calls.
Got one
https://mobile.twitter.com/NovaMBB/status/957708218037252096
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Got one
https://mobile.twitter.com/NovaMBB/status/957708218037252096
Yeah that's not a foul. Bridges has the ball in his hands before he ever contacts Cain. Good no call.
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FWIW, Sultan's not the only one. I thought the refs called a decent game. Nothing egregious IMO
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Yeah that's not a foul. Bridges has the ball in his hands before he ever contacts Cain. Good no call.
I explained it somewhere else. But ball in hand is irrelevant. It's all about position. And he threw him out of position. It's a push.
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FWIW, Sultan's not the only one. I thought the refs called a decent game. Nothing egregious IMO
Agree. We are smaller and/or slower than almost all top opponents which makes the foul differential usually not in our favor.
We needed that call at the end and it was close - but what are you going to do.
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I explained it somewhere else. But ball in hand is irrelevant. It's all about position. And he threw him out of position. It's a push.
He had the ball. He had position. Not a foul.
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FWIW, Sultan's not the only one. I thought the refs called a decent game. Nothing egregious IMO
Froling's first & third were absolute trash calls, which led to him playing less minutes than he should have and he was one of our top 3 players today.
They also missed a hack on Sacar down the stretch.
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Anim no-call: https://twitter.com/trodlove1/status/957709446276370432
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Got one
https://mobile.twitter.com/NovaMBB/status/957708218037252096
Thanks. Will view later. Post game drinks at Vagabonds. I'm kinda over this one already but do want to see those two plays.
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Anim no-call: https://twitter.com/trodlove1/status/957709446276370432
Yeah that's a foul.
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When I watched in in realtime, I thought it was a clear foul. But #bansultan is right - look where Cain is when they both start going up for the ball (just at 5 seconds) - Cain undercuts Bridges and that's why he knocks him over.
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Anim no-call: https://twitter.com/trodlove1/status/957709446276370432
This is the one I think has to be called a foul. By not calling it, you essentially give the game to Nova. If you call it, the player has to make both shots, and Nova still has a chance to win it on their end or by stopping us next possession.
Usually you give the benefit of the doubt to the team that is behind in this scenario, otherwise, you are picking the winner.
In a tie game, if they let that go I'm more ok with it...let overtime decide it instead of an official. But when the team is down, a no call is picking a winner.
Live, it is tough to know for sure if it was clean or a foul. If the team that is up reaches and it is 50/50. You call the foul.
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3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.
He played solid defense against Brunson, and he was effective cutting into the lane for his points.
Actually, with about 3 minutes to go, I thought to myself, "if MU wins, it might be Anim who should be the SOTG."
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That’s a foul but not sure about the Cain one. He needs to be stronger
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This is the one I think has to be called a foul. By not calling it, you essentially give the game to Nova. If you call it, the player has to make both shots, and Nova still has a chance to win it on their end or by stopping us next possession.
Usually you give the benefit of the doubt to the team that is behind in this scenario, otherwise, you are picking the winner.
In a tie game, if they let that go I'm more ok with it...let overtime decide it instead of an official. But when the team is down, a no call is picking a winner.
Live, it is tough to know for sure if it was clean or a foul. If the team that is up reaches and it is 50/50. You call the foul.
So you say the refs should know who is ahead or behind when making a call? That makes no sense. I've reffed dozens of games and rarely have I realized who is winning or losing when making calls.
What refs should do is give the benefit to the offense and not the defender reaching in.
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He played solid defense against Brunson, and he was effective cutting into the lane for his points.
Actually, with about 3 minutes to go, I thought to myself, "if MU wins, it might be Anim who should be the SOTG."
Yeah it would have been Rowsey, but Sacar & Froling were 1.a & 1.b.
Howard would have been Bizarro SOTG.
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With 35 minutes left, they probably call the foul on Bridges on Cain, but not with 35 seconds left. The Sacar no-call was completely unforgivable, that is a call you have to make every time, especially with the game on the line
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Overall a lot of positives in this game. Both Frolling and Sacar looked for the first time like they're ready to be real contributors in the BE. Boys came back a couple times when Nova could have just run away (or kept a 12-15pt cushion). Sam actually played some pretty decent on ball D.
Biggest limitation tonight was the hero ball by the midgets. Both of them. Markus was clearly more guilty of it, but that break with about 4 minutes left, where Rowsy and Markus were 2 v 2, Rowsy takes it into the lane and both players collapse on him and Makus flashes to the wing, and I KNEW Rowsy was going to take the contested 1 v 2 layup (which he missed) rather than dishing to Markus. Seriously - how many assists do those to have to each other. If they played together we'd be almost unstoppable on O. But when they're both out there, more often than not, when one has the ball the other's man sags onto him.
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So you say the refs should know who is ahead or behind when making a call? That makes no sense. I've reffed dozens of games and rarely have I realized who is winning or losing when making calls.
What refs should do is give the benefit to the offense and not the defender reaching in.
Now you are contradicting yourself over the years. You've defended refs in the past saying that the job of the ref is to not decide the game, and that at the end of the game you cannot expect a call unless it is blatant. I agree with you on this, officials should avoid deciding the game with a whistle.
Yes, refs need to be situationally aware of time of game and situation (e.g. score).
You are right, they should also give the benefit of the doubt to the offense and not the out of position defender reaching in.
They were not situationally aware, and also gave the out of position defender reaching in the benefit of the doubt. Both are major officiating errors.
Those were not isolated instances.
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Can you of you stat gurus out there please find out where MU ranks in fouls called in BE play and also ranks nationally?
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Now you are contradicting yourself over the years. You've defended refs in the past saying that the job of the ref is to not decide the game, and that at the end of the game you cannot expect a call unless it is blatant. I agree with you on this, officials should avoid deciding the game with a whistle.
Refs should not make borderline calls to decide games. That wasn't a borderline call. That was obvious.
You are literally saying that a call could be made whether or not a team is ahead or behind. That's absurd.
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Can you of you stat gurus out there please find out where MU ranks in fouls called in BE play and also ranks nationally?
Without looking, I've got to think we're in the top 2-3 in the BE in fouls called and in the top 25-ish nationally, but it's well deserved. We don't have the athletes that many other teams do, and that kills us on D. Markus, Rowsey, Sam, Heldt, and even Froling are just not able to play defense at their position in this league. They're good enough basketball players to compete but not as athletic as the average guys at their position, and that show up more on defense.
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Why wasn't it a sellout? #1 team on a Sunday afternoon.
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Without looking, I've got to think we're in the top 2-3 in the BE in fouls called and in the top 25-ish nationally, but it's well deserved. We don't have the athletes that many other teams do, and that kills us on D. Markus, Rowsey, Sam, Heldt, and even Froling are just not able to play defense at their position in this league. They're good enough basketball players to compete but not as athletic as the average guys at their position, and that show up more on defense.
Thats why I would like to see where they stand. I recall one announcer saying MU leads the BE in fouls, but can't recall which game it was. I tried and could not find, someone out there knows.
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I'm in the .. both of those were fouls camp. Certainly the Anim one .. and at worst, the other could easily been called a foul and a reasonable Nova fan, seeing a ton of contact, couldn't legit complain.
I don't mind losing, but I do mind losing this way.
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Thought Anim was fouled, did not think there was an over the back. I guess we all see things differently.
Howard's shots short most of the game. The missed free throw was killer. #ftsmatta
Too many quick shots by Rowsey and Howard at times.
Froling playing better. Need more Theo John. Need more Hauser.
Had a chance, played well enough to win. Brunson is a man among boys, extremely crafty and clever.
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For whatever reason, when the offensive is running well with Howard not on his game, he tends to come in and disrupt every bit of rythym we have. He was like this vs Xavier at home. He was TERRIBLE today and I think by the end of the game Wojo realized he was hurting the team. Whoever said he was “trying to be a hero” is spot on. And I don’t say that in a good way.
I get that he’s a scorer and they’re different animals but I feel like if he’s not “getting his” he’s better off on the bench.
I do not fee the same way about Rowsey when he’s off his game. He seems better able to play a secondary role than Howard.
Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?
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Harry had a few nice plays in the paint; needed more from him on the glass today.
The stuck on Sam and he didn't force anything; need to run more set plays to get him shots.
Anim was a standout today. Great rebounding solid defense. Tremendous cutting action for easy buckets. He'll be really fun to watch as a polished senior in a couple years.
Markus took Markus out of the game today.
Our runs coincided with smart offensive possessions on our side. When we took bad shots on offense they killed us in transition. That was the difference in the game.
Yup.
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For whatever reason, when the offensive is running well with Howard not on his game, he tends to come in and disrupt every bit of rythym we have. He was like this vs Xavier at home. He was TERRIBLE today and I think by the end of the game Wojo realized he was hurting the team. Whoever said he was “trying to be a hero” is spot on. And I don’t say that in a good way.
I get that he’s a scorer and they’re different animals but I feel like if he’s not “getting his” he’s better off on the bench.
I do not fee the same way about Rowsey when he’s off his game. He seems better able to play a secondary role than Howard.
Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?
Or doesn't understand the value of getting others involved.
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For whatever reason, when the offensive is running well with Howard not on his game, he tends to come in and disrupt every bit of rythym we have. He was like this vs Xavier at home. He was TERRIBLE today and I think by the end of the game Wojo realized he was hurting the team. Whoever said he was “trying to be a hero” is spot on. And I don’t say that in a good way.
I get that he’s a scorer and they’re different animals but I feel like if he’s not “getting his” he’s better off on the bench.
I do not fee the same way about Rowsey when he’s off his game. He seems better able to play a secondary role than Howard.
Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?
He is also 18, still learning. Rowsey is 23 years, 7 months. Howard will learn to be more of a team player. Experience will help with that.
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Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?
Stephen A? Is that you?
What a joke.
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I also noticed that every time we got on a run it was broken up with a timeout. I feel like we have had terrible luck this year with timeouts breaking up runs when the crowd is loud and shots are falling, only to come out of the timeout and give up seven straight.
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He is also 18, still learning. Rowsey is 23 years, 7 months. Howard will learn to be more of a team player. Experience will help with that.
How old is Hauser?
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I also noticed that every time we got on a run it was broken up with a timeout. I feel like we have had terrible luck this year with timeouts breaking up runs when the crowd is loud and shots are falling, only to come out of the timeout and give up seven straight.
That happens when good coaches are coaching experienced teams.
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I also noticed that every time we got on a run it was broken up with a timeout. I feel like we have had terrible luck this year with timeouts breaking up runs when the crowd is loud and shots are falling, only to come out of the timeout and give up seven straight.
Some might be bad luck on the media timeouts, but some of that is just experienced coaching knowing when to call a time out.
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Stephen A? Is that you?
What a joke.
A joke? Go watch our loss to Xavier at home and then rewatch today’s second half. I could argue that if Howard wasn’t in the gym we would’ve won both games.
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The inverse correlation between Rowsey and Howard is amazing. Hard to think of a game where both were good recently, but one is almost always very good. Why is that?
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How old is Hauser?
Sam turned 20 last month. We are a young team.
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A joke? Go watch our loss to Xavier at home and then rewatch today’s second half. I could argue that if Howard wasn’t in the gym we would’ve won both games.
If teams knew he wasn't in the gym, they would key more on Rowsey and Hauser. As bad as Howard was today, teams have to prep for him. Sam needs to find a way to become more involved, but the hip injury may be holding him back.
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For those who consistently complain about bigs hedging on pick and rolls, you got your wish today. We switched on every ball screen today. I'd say the results were mixed. Brunson abused our bigs a lot but we also forced a few bad shots. Reality is, there is no magic fix that is going to make our guards more able to contain players on the perimeter.
I don't think Howard was playing hero ball like some suggested. I think he was matched up with best defender in the Big East (and one of the best in the country) in Bridges and Bridges got the better of him. He does that to a lot of great offensive players.
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I'm in the .. both of those were fouls camp. Certainly the Anim one .. and at worst, the other could easily been called a foul and a reasonable Nova fan, seeing a ton of contact, couldn't legit complain.
I don't mind losing, but I do mind losing this way.
This is where I’m at with it. And I would also add if you switch jerseys on both of those plays there isn’t a shred of doubt in my mind we’d have been called for both fouls
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If teams knew he wasn't in the gym, they would key more on Rowsey and Hauser. As bad as Howard was today, teams have to prep for him. Sam needs to find a way to become more involved, but the hip injury may be holding him back.
I agree. My point in asking Hausers age is that he is a young kid but is still a really smart basketball player. I do wish he’d be more assertive, though. He’s a stud.
I love this team, just frustrated with some really bad decision making in these close losses!
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I agree. My point in asking Hausers age is that he is a young kid but is still a really smart basketball player. I do wish he’d be more assertive, though. He’s a stud.
I love this team, just frustrated with some really bad decision making in these close losses!
We on same page.
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Only listened to Homer & Mac so I missed many of the little things, so I have a reverse thoughts where I'm going so ask Scoopers questions:
1) Harry sounded like he did excellent and actually did work inside. Did he play more like a true 5 and how was he on the glass?
Played well offensively. Not a single defensive rebound or block in 27 minutes. Would have liked to see more of John from that perspective. Still encouraging overall, and Heldt wasn't any better defensively in the limited minutes he played.
2) Barely heard Sam's name on offense. Was he not assertive enough or did Nova do something to neutralize him?
Similar to last game with the one shot attempt in the first half. Was really good with the feeds to cutting Anim. Didn't look for his own shot until late in the second half, and then they looked more forced than anything.
3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.
He played a nice game with a lot of drives. Teammates (especially Hauser) did a good job of feeding him. Finished far more than usual. Held his own defensively, which is a plus on this team.
4) What took Markus out of the game, poor play, fouls, or both?
Both. Villanova made it a point to exposure him defensively from the start. Got some fouls to go along with a lot of points. Thought he was poor offensively as well; somehow had 12 attempts in the first half, twice anyone else, and several were just not ideal shots.
5) What did we do primarily on defense, especially when we were making the runs that got us back in both halves?
Limited transition and didn't let Brunson blow by a big for an easy layup. They settled for a lot of ugly outside shots when they didn't have an easy path to the basket.
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One more note...student section was great except for the second-dumbest cheer in college hoops (just behind “overrated”). No class, awful if you have kids and just dumb when you’re losing to a team that consistently keeps the conference relevant. Dumb
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Hey, finally watched the game. It sure wasn't dull.
1. Sultan, we don't often disagree about the officials, but we will today. I know it is bad when my wife does a walk by and says "what in the hell is that"? in reference to Sacar getting pushed in the back at the start of the second half.
2. Froling, Sacar, Jamal all showed up against #1.
3. I thought Cain was pushed out of the way on that last play. A year and 15 lbs of muscle from now, that doesn't happen.
4. It was clear that Villanova's two defensive priorities were stopping Markus and Sam.
5. Brunson has got to be a POY candidate.
6. Switched on pick and rolls. Centers guarding Brunson on his drives. Predictable results. But, hey, it was something different.
7. MU lost a hell of a game to #1. Time to bounce back and play well in the second half of the conference. Both X and V are done and we have visited Hinkle. Play like they played today, with more from Markus, and they could do very well the rest of the way.
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Thought the difference came down to a difference in athleticism, with Nova getting blocks and deflections. Good effort by our guys.
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One more note...student section was great except for the second-dumbest cheer in college hoops (just behind “overrated”). No class, awful if you have kids and just dumb when you’re losing to a team that consistently keeps the conference relevant. Dumb
Couldn't understand what they were saying on TV. Apparently that's a good thing
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One more note...student section was great except for the second-dumbest cheer in college hoops (just behind “overrated”). No class, awful if you have kids and just dumb when you’re losing to a team that consistently keeps the conference relevant. Dumb
Guess some students slept in cuz those last 6 or 7 rows upstairs were disguised as empty seats. But the students on hand were good.
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https://twitter.com/Trodlove1/status/957709446276370432
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If teams knew he wasn't in the gym, they would key more on Rowsey and Hauser. As bad as Howard was today, teams have to prep for him. Sam needs to find a way to become more involved, but the hip injury may be holding him back.
How could they prep more for Hauser? I guess if they held him to zero shots.
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Guess some students slept in cuz those last 6 or 7 rows upstairs were disguised as empty seats. But the students on hand were good.
800 girls had their sorority crap this weekend.
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I agree. My point in asking Hausers age is that he is a young kid but is still a really smart basketball player. I do wish he’d be more assertive, though. He’s a stud.
I love this team, just frustrated with some really bad decision making in these close losses!
A "stud" would try to be more assertive than Hauser was today. With Howard not having his head in the game, MU needed Hauser and he was passive. I would rather he forced some 3's rather than those awkward drive and pull-ups that weren't even close.
Sure would have liked Rowsey to take a shot when MU was down 3 instead of the Anim drive.
Hilarious again how bent out of shape so many MU fans get over the referees. This was a winnable game and the last chance for a signature win and it wasn't the refs fault that MU lost.
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A "stud" would try to be more assertive than Hauser was today. With Howard not having his head in the game, MU needed Hauser and he was passive. I would rather he forced some 3's rather than those awkward drive and pull-ups that weren't even close.
Sure would have liked Rowsey to take a shot when MU was down 3 instead of the Anim drive.
Hilarious again how bent out of shape so many MU fans get over the referees. This was a winnable game and the last chance for a signature win and it wasn't the refs fault that MU lost.
What’s hilarious is you thinking anyone buys that you’re an MU fan.
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Mfsr has been consistent in his criticism of Sam. Sacar played without fear today. To be this close getting so little from Markus and Sam us something to build on
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Fun, tough Big East game. This is what makes this a great conference. 17k in the House. Great coaching back and forth. Cain and Sacar were outstanding, Harry showing signs as he didn't miss a shot.
MU won the last 3/4ths of the game 64-57 despite the free throw disparity. Brunson and Bridges shot 17-18 on free throws.
The game was lost in the opening ten minutes where Nova was up 28-18 on 13-16 on FGs. Same old. Still ran up our bigs to hedge but changed up the switch to put our bigs on Brunson (Pack Line, please, one of these days). But, what worked for MU was the press. Nice in game adjustment.
End of the day, Brunson was the difference. M2N and Sam were essentially no shows. We have no match which is why they are #1.
Officiating was the Big East standard fair. Inconsistent (hand checks, over the back, travel/carries), out of position continuously (seriously, I saw five instances of the officials talking to GQ Jay for five seconds during live play where the ball was advanced), and many missed calls which is the norm. Jay works them pregame, during dead balls and during live play. Master. Wojo was equally as wired.
Fun game!
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A "stud" would try to be more assertive than Hauser was today. With Howard not having his head in the game, MU needed Hauser and he was passive. I would rather he forced some 3's rather than those awkward drive and pull-ups that weren't even close.
Sure would have liked Rowsey to take a shot when MU was down 3 instead of the Anim drive.
Hilarious again how bent out of shape so many MU fans get over the referees. This was a winnable game and the last chance for a signature win and it wasn't the refs fault that MU lost.
Visual approximation of mayfairskatingrink:
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Got one
https://mobile.twitter.com/NovaMBB/status/957708218037252096
Apparently it's OK to hip-check a guy into the front row.
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I’m not one to whine about reffing but the Sacar slap at the end really angered me. I was 20 rows back and could clearly hear the sound of skin getting slapped—it was that loud and that obvious.
We are also quick to point out that MU is a jump shooting team so we don’t get as many fouls but I saw several drives where Markus and others drove and ended up on the floor with no whistle. Markus wasn’t good today but a few of those drives should have resulted in free throws.
I believe the free throw disparity should not have been that great.
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Well, barring a matchup in the Big East tourney, thank god this is the last time we will have to see Jalen Brunson.
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BS no call
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Only listened to Homer & Mac so I missed many of the little things, so I have a reverse thoughts where I'm going so ask Scoopers questions:
1) Harry sounded like he did excellent and actually did work inside. Did he play more like a true 5 and how was he on the glass?
2) Barely heard Sam's name on offense. Was he not assertive enough or did Nova do something to neutralize him?
3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.
4) What took Markus out of the game, poor play, fouls, or both?
5) What did we do primarily on defense, especially when we were making the runs that got us back in both halves?
1) Yes, Harry played like a true 5 and played well save for when he switched off on Brunson at the top of the key.
2) Combo of both IMO. A good example of him not being assertive enough was at the end of the game, down 3, he had what looked like a pretty open shot in the corner albeit with a defender closing in a bit and passed to Sacar for the drive. You can tell he's still a little off and his hip must be bothering him more than the coaching staff is letting on.
3) Anim absolutely changed the game. Had we won he would've been my vote for SOTG. Great defense all game and a little more assertive on the offensive end as well. Even in a loss he was the difference between the end score and getting the doors blown off us.
4) Markus was a combo of bad defense, awful decision making on the offensive end, and fouls. Like others have said, when he came into the game the ball stopped moving. It was so blatantly obvious the announcers even commented on it. Before next year he really needs to figure out how to get his teammates actually involved instead of doing what he did today.
5) We actually played some pressure on defense. We played a little 3/4 court pressure at times, picked the ball handler up closer to half court, and did well with the switching for the most part. Again, Anim on Brunson was huge. Brunson had a monster game but when Anim was on him he had to work much harder for anything he was going to get. Sam played solid defense as well and altered a few shots.
I'm personally of the opinion that Elliot and Cain should get some more run for their defense alone. Even with those two you'll have Markus/Rowsey and Hauser providing a scoring punch so you're not giving up too much offensively. Cain is no slouch on the offensive end either.
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Well, barring a matchup in the Big East tourney, thank god this is the last time we will have to see Jalen Brunson.
Is he turning pro?
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Is he turning pro?
He should
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Is he turning pro?
Plenty of people think he’s ready.
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Hauser must not wanna shoot, he did a lot of other things today like great anticipation on D, but he needs to shoot 10-15 shots a game
Hauser rarely touches the ball in scoring position. Few sets are run for him. It is not because he doesn't want to shoot. It is a byproduct of having two shoot-first guards on the floor with him. Both guards are explosive scorers, but don't do enough to get Sam involved on the offensive end. It is the makeup of our team this year.
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Very entertaining, big-time college basketball game.
The underdogs gave the No. 1 team in the nation a heck of a battle.
Watching the game live, I thought the Anim call was missed, there was no over-the-back on the Cain play, and Harry got called for two important phantom fouls. Otherwise, I thought the refs did OK. The replay on the Cain play shows it was a borderline call/no-call IMHO.
Hey, when you DO get a foul call down the stretch and then the best FT shooter in the nation badly misses the front end, it makes beyotching about the refereeing sound a little hollow. We had a bazillion chances in this game (as did Nova) that had nothing to do with officiating.
Need more shots from Sam. Period. If he can't get open, Wojo needs to do something to get him open. But I did like his defensive game a lot, and he had 6 assists, including a couple of real beauts.
Sacar was our best all-around player today. Very active on offense finding gaps to receive passes from teammates. Tough on D; was our best chance against Brunson.
Nice to see Froling start and get involved early. He didn't look tentative, and he moved well to the hoop. He did no worse defensively than Heldt would have, and at least he is a body who has to be accounted for on offense. Wojo is not stupid. Those who thought he would stay with Heldt out of loyalty or something ... I mean, just a year ago, he took Luke out of the starting lineup - and I know he liked Luke a lot. Matt played 8 minutes today; that seems about right for a player of his skill-set playing in a power basketball conference.
Markus was quite terrible today. If he's hot, one can accept some of the shots he takes. But when he's not hitting, those heaves that aren't in the flow of the offense are killers. Let's all remember that he probably won us a couple of games we would have lost earlier in the season, including obviously at Providence.
Rowsey was very tough-minded and focused today, and he helped keep us in the game. He was absolutely helpless against Brunson, but that was the case with most of the players we tried on the guy I think is the best player in our league. If you're gonna play Markus and Rowsey together - and we have to - it's the trade-off you have to live with. It obviously will be less of an issue next season on defense; we will miss some of what Rowsey can do on offense next year, though.
Cain is going to be very good. He's already pretty darn good.
Overall, I come out of this game VERY encouraged. A few fellow Scoopers picked this stretch or that stretch as the "key" to the loss. But we weren't done in by the way we started the game - we came back to take the lead a couple times. And we weren't done in by the stretch at the end of the first half - the game was close almost the entire second half. That's basketball. Nova made mistakes during our 11-0 run in the first half. It happens even to the best.
Teams have runs. The question is: Can you respond with a run of your own? The Warriors did that today. We had several excellent stretches today. We played the No. 1 team in the country to the wire in a one-possession game.
We will win our share of games against good teams - starting with Butler and Providence this week - and we will take care of business against the dregs. I'm still thinking 10-8 is very doable.
Go Marquette!
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If fantastic FT shooter misses a FT.....then you shouldn’t complain about the refs.
Makes sense.
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to #Unleash Rowsey and Ellenson Guerrero.
Sacar: definitely a foul.
Cain: could go either way so no whistle OK.
Lot of positives in this game so can't get too down about the L. Lotta fun at the BC today.
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Wojo not to pleased post-game due to the lack of calls in favor of MU's guards when on offense.
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FWIW, we moved up in kenpom today to 38.
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Well, barring a matchup in the Big East tourney, thank god this is the last time we will have to see Jalen Brunson.
He's a junior. No guarantee he goes pro
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Homer said today he will graduate early, and it is likely that he will go pro.
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I thought the team played well today. We played a formidable opponent and demonstrated that we could compete.
We need to get a game with all of the Big 3 on form and we will be tough to beat.
We have to focus on Butler now.
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Very entertaining, big-time college basketball game.
The underdogs gave the No. 1 team in the nation a heck of a battle.
Watching the game live, I thought the Anim call was missed, there was no over-the-back on the Cain play, and Harry got called for two important phantom fouls. Otherwise, I thought the refs did OK. The replay on the Cain play shows it was a borderline call/no-call IMHO.
Hey, when you DO get a foul call down the stretch and then the best FT shooter in the nation badly misses the front end, it makes beyotching about the refereeing sound a little hollow. We had a bazillion chances in this game (as did Nova) that had nothing to do with officiating.
Need more shots from Sam. Period. If he can't get open, Wojo needs to do something to get him open. But I did like his defensive game a lot, and he had 6 assists, including a couple of real beauts.
Sacar was our best all-around player today. Very active on offense finding gaps to receive passes from teammates. Tough on D; was our best chance against Brunson.
Nice to see Froling start and get involved early. He didn't look tentative, and he moved well to the hoop. He did no worse defensively than Heldt would have, and at least he is a body who has to be accounted for on offense. Wojo is not stupid. Those who thought he would stay with Heldt out of loyalty or something ... I mean, just a year ago, he took Luke out of the starting lineup - and I know he liked Luke a lot. Matt played 8 minutes today; that seems about right for a player of his skill-set playing in a power basketball conference.
Markus was quite terrible today. If he's hot, one can accept some of the shots he takes. But when he's not hitting, those heaves that aren't in the flow of the offense are killers. Let's all remember that he probably won us a couple of games we would have lost earlier in the season, including obviously at Providence.
Rowsey was very tough-minded and focused today, and he helped keep us in the game. He was absolutely helpless against Brunson, but that was the case with most of the players we tried on the guy I think is the best player in our league. If you're gonna play Markus and Rowsey together - and we have to - it's the trade-off you have to live with. It obviously will be less of an issue next season on defense; we will miss some of what Rowsey can do on offense next year, though.
Cain is going to be very good. He's already pretty darn good.
Overall, I come out of this game VERY encouraged. A few fellow Scoopers picked this stretch or that stretch as the "key" to the loss. But we weren't done in by the way we started the game - we came back to take the lead a couple times. And we weren't done in by the stretch at the end of the first half - the game was close almost the entire second half. That's basketball. Nova made mistakes during our 11-0 run in the first half. It happens even to the best.
Teams have runs. The question is: Can you respond with a run of your own? The Warriors did that today. We had several excellent stretches today. We played the No. 1 team in the country to the wire in a one-possession game.
We will win our share of games against good teams - starting with Butler and Providence this week - and we will take care of business against the dregs. I'm still thinking 10-8 is very doable.
Go Marquette!
Uncertain what leads you to believe that Froling will be the starter rest of the season. I took it as Wojo trying to make a point about effort in practice and going with the players that deserve it most. Unless Froling sets the world on fire I think you will see a pretty balanced distribution between the 3. He tends to give them all a shot early and end up sticking with one for the most of the minutes.
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Hauser rarely touches the ball in scoring position. Few sets are run for him. It is not because he doesn't want to shoot. It is a byproduct of having two shoot-first guards on the floor with him. Both guards are explosive scorers, but don't do enough to get Sam involved on the offensive end. It is the makeup of our team this year.
I agree, as it seems that the only sets for him are off the pick and roll, and defenses are smart enough (mostly) to not leave him open (and he's wise enough not to force a shot). He does get a few chances on the block, and can sometimes make things happen from there, but it's part of his game that's still growing. I think a combination of more sets and more experience will make him even more of a threat next year.
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Homer said today he will graduate early, and it is likely that he will go pro.
Too bad he isn't able to grad transfer to MU.
That said, Brunson will have a long pro career but projects as an NBA backup. His post game works against guys the size of Rowsey & Howard but bigger guards neutralize him. I also don't see him as a stellar defender. Imagine him checking Curry, Westbrook, Kyrie, etc. Not pretty.
Jalen probably has a career very similar to his dad's. Serviceable backup but not a starter on a good team.
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Completely agree.
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Plenty of people think he’s ready.
Talked to a Nova fan today. They think Brunson and Bridges are both gone to pros after this year. The sequence where Bridges flew from the side, swatted Howard, tip toed the sideline and then hit a long pull-up J with a hand in his face shows his pro potential... projected first round pick and only a sophomore
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Talked to a Nova fan today. They think Brunson and Bridges are both gone to pros after this year. The sequence where Bridges flew from the side, swatted Howard, tip toed the sideline and then hit a long pull-up J with a hand in his face shows his pro potential... projected first round pick and only a sophomore junior.
FIFY.
As far as getting all 3 of "the big 3" going I have a hard time seeing it happen. One, it seems as though "going" means scoring a lot. If that's the case there are only so many shots to go around. And two, and much more importantly, it seems as though oppositions really try to key in on slowing down 2 of the 3 and conceding a big game from one of Sam/Markus/Rowsey. Today it seemed like Nova was going to focus on not giving Sam any space to get a catch and shoot off and to make him shoot mid range jumpers of the top of the defense and on keeping length in front of Markus. If Rowsey was going to beat them, they were willing to tip their cap. That seems to be the gameplan of many coaches. Take Sam's catch and shoot opportunities away and take one of Sam or Markus away.
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Bridges is a lottery pick, Brunson is graduating early to have a nice 6-7 year NBA career as a backup. Both great players.
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Very entertaining, big-time college basketball game.
The underdogs gave the No. 1 team in the nation a heck of a battle.
Watching the game live, I thought the Anim call was missed, there was no over-the-back on the Cain play, and Harry got called for two important phantom fouls. Otherwise, I thought the refs did OK. The replay on the Cain play shows it was a borderline call/no-call IMHO.
Hey, when you DO get a foul call down the stretch and then the best FT shooter in the nation badly misses the front end, it makes beyotching about the refereeing sound a little hollow. We had a bazillion chances in this game (as did Nova) that had nothing to do with officiating.
Need more shots from Sam. Period. If he can't get open, Wojo needs to do something to get him open. But I did like his defensive game a lot, and he had 6 assists, including a couple of real beauts.
Sacar was our best all-around player today. Very active on offense finding gaps to receive passes from teammates. Tough on D; was our best chance against Brunson.
Nice to see Froling start and get involved early. He didn't look tentative, and he moved well to the hoop. He did no worse defensively than Heldt would have, and at least he is a body who has to be accounted for on offense. Wojo is not stupid. Those who thought he would stay with Heldt out of loyalty or something ... I mean, just a year ago, he took Luke out of the starting lineup - and I know he liked Luke a lot. Matt played 8 minutes today; that seems about right for a player of his skill-set playing in a power basketball conference.
Markus was quite terrible today. If he's hot, one can accept some of the shots he takes. But when he's not hitting, those heaves that aren't in the flow of the offense are killers. Let's all remember that he probably won us a couple of games we would have lost earlier in the season, including obviously at Providence.
Rowsey was very tough-minded and focused today, and he helped keep us in the game. He was absolutely helpless against Brunson, but that was the case with most of the players we tried on the guy I think is the best player in our league. If you're gonna play Markus and Rowsey together - and we have to - it's the trade-off you have to live with. It obviously will be less of an issue next season on defense; we will miss some of what Rowsey can do on offense next year, though.
Cain is going to be very good. He's already pretty darn good.
Overall, I come out of this game VERY encouraged. A few fellow Scoopers picked this stretch or that stretch as the "key" to the loss. But we weren't done in by the way we started the game - we came back to take the lead a couple times. And we weren't done in by the stretch at the end of the first half - the game was close almost the entire second half. That's basketball. Nova made mistakes during our 11-0 run in the first half. It happens even to the best.
Teams have runs. The question is: Can you respond with a run of your own? The Warriors did that today. We had several excellent stretches today. We played the No. 1 team in the country to the wire in a one-possession game.
We will win our share of games against good teams - starting with Butler and Providence this week - and we will take care of business against the dregs. I'm still thinking 10-8 is very doable.
Go Marquette!
Basically agree on all counts. One nit - it became a 1 possession game when we made an uncontested lay up with .2 seconds left.
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Basically agree on all counts. One nit - it became a 1 possession game when we made an uncontested lay up with .2 seconds left.
Well, the score was 83-80 before DiVincenzo scored with 11 seconds left. So I guess it depends upon how one defines "to the wire."
Literally, if it means to the very end, yep, I admit I overstated it slightly.
I'll happily amend it to:
We were within a bucket of the No. 1 team in the country and had possession in the final minute, but couldn't quite get there.
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Homer said today he will graduate early, and it is likely that he will go pro be a grad transfer to UW, taking Happ's scholarship.
FIFY.
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- Great game, fun to watch
- Jay works the refs better than anyone and had them in his pocket
- Something is wrong with Sam. No burst.
- If nothing is wrong with Sam, he needs more ball.
- We won the 2nd half. Possibly the best half of ball we've played all year as well.
- I like this Froling.
- Sacar!!!!! This is what he must do every game. 10 points min, nothing more than 2 feet from the hoop.
- Hate to see it, but we now have good Marcus / Bad Marcus and Good Rowsey / Bad Rowsey. hope both bads never turn up on the same day.
- We lost to the #1 team in a close, hard fought game. Life goes on! Let's win the ones we're supposed to!
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FWIW, we moved up in kenpom today to 38.
Heh, look who's right below us
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Someone explain the free throw disparity? 9 of the 12 FTs for Marquette was from "the thing". So basvally 24-3 in FTs. Normally I write it off as too many 3 pointers but they shot similar numbers. That was over the back at the end and MU never got calls on their drives or finishes at rim. Irritating.
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That wasn't an over the back.
Yes, it was not an over-the-back, it was a thru-the-back. The fact that the opposing player's arm went between Cain's arms if irrelevant. Cain had position and was going up vertically and when the opposing player lunched toward Cain and his chest slammed into Cain's back and Cain went flying out of bounds and to the floor, THAT WAS A FOUL.
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Btw for all the people calling it over the back.
That call does not exist. If a player is capable. They could jump right over the back and grab a ball land in front of them and put it back. No foul.
The foul is called a push. If you push a player out of position to grab a board it's a foul.
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Btw for all the people calling it over the back.
That call does not exist. If a player is capable. They could jump right over the back and grab a ball land in front of them and put it back. No foul.
The foul is called a push. If you push a player out of position to grab a board it's a foul.
Correct. There is no such call as "over the back."
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I disagree a bit about Sam. He was guarded closely the whole game, at times drawing a double team. And he still created offense with a team-leading 6 assists (including at least a couple amazing passes through traffic for easy layups). He played within the game. He defended, rebounded, even picked up a steal and a block.
Markus, on the other hand, tried to force things. At times, it seemed like he wasn't even looking for anyone else, when there were teammates open for better shots.
The real key to the game, though, was Marquette giving up 1.21 points per possession. Not good. Nova ran the fast break to perfection in the first half (many off misses by Markus) and took advantage of our switches. This team simply won't win many games giving up 85 points.
Overall, thought we played the #1 team in the country tough. Next up.
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I disagree a bit about Sam. He was guarded closely the whole game, at times drawing a double team. And he still created offense with a team-leading 6 assists (including at least a couple amazing passes through traffic for easy layups). He played within the game. He defended, rebounded, even picked up a steal and a block.
Markus, on the other hand, tried to force things. At times, it seemed like he wasn't even looking for anyone else, when there were teammates open for better shots.
The real key to the game, though, was Marquette giving up 1.21 points per possession. Not good. Nova ran the fast break to perfection in the first half (many off misses by Markus) and took advantage of our switches. This team simply won't win many games giving up 85 points.
Overall, thought we played the #1 team in the country tough. Next up.
Villy has more talent, MU played hard but seems to always come up on the short stick. When Marcus is off, it really puts them in a bind. He needs to be a better
learning what is a good shot vs. a bad shot. Or passing to an open teammate. Sam just understands the game better. Next 2 years should be interesting with
9 players coming back and 3 already on campus. NO excuse next year, will see what type of coach MU has. Plus most of the better teams have quality seniors,
Villy should lose Brunson and Bridges, Hall the team, Butler, 2 best players, Creighton the best 2 players, X 4 players, Providence the team, so really the Big East
will be much easier and MU will have the most experience, should be Top 2 at worse.
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Well fought game. Thought we played hard against the best team in the country and came up only one true shy. We are good. Hope we can win out hereafter.
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Per KenPom, Nova’s minimum win probability was 73.7%.
We needed to get lucky in order to win and that didn’t happen
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Yes, it was not an over-the-back, it was a thru-the-back. The fact that the opposing player's arm went between Cain's arms if irrelevant. Cain had position and was going up vertically and when the opposing player lunched toward Cain and his chest slammed into Cain's back and Cain went flying out of bounds and to the floor, THAT WAS A FOUL.
He did not have position. Watch it again. He is lunging for the ball.
Not a foul.
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Btw for all the people calling it over the back.
That call does not exist. If a player is capable. They could jump right over the back and grab a ball land in front of them and put it back. No foul.
The foul is called a push. If you push a player out of position to grab a board it's a foul.
Correct. That didn't happen though.
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Yes, it was not an over-the-back, it was a thru-the-back. The fact that the opposing player's arm went between Cain's arms if irrelevant. Cain had position and was going up vertically and when the opposing player lunched toward Cain and his chest slammed into Cain's back and Cain went flying out of bounds and to the floor, THAT WAS A FOUL.
Sacar was fouled, Cain was not...especially late in the game like that. Cain made a freshman mistake, you have to find the man first then find the ball. If he was directly in front of Bridges and holding him off, it would have been a foul. However Cain was out of place to get the ball AND didn't have his body between Bridges and the hoop that would have drawn that foul. The tough part is we had 3 players there, if any one boxes out we get that ball and have a fighting chance to tie it up. C'est la vie.
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Sacar was fouled, Cain was not...especially late in the game like that. Cain made a freshman mistake, you have to find the man first then find the ball. If he was directly in front of Bridges and holding him off, it would have been a foul. However Cain was out of place to get the ball AND didn't have his body between Bridges and the hoop that would have drawn that foul. The tough part is we had 3 players there, if any one boxes out we get that ball and have a fighting chance to tie it up. C'est la vie.
Well stated.
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He did not have position. Watch it again. He is lunging for the ball.
Not a foul.
What was that game last year when all of a sudden the refs decided to call MU for boxing out? As the claim was that they were moving the defender backwards. It was crazy, and we never did see a game called like that again since--either for or against us.
The point being, I think the we see such an inconsistency in that call over the past two years since this became an emphasis. In that game, that was a foul on Nova. In most games (and in our definition) it isn't a foul.
I think that is Wojo's frustration too. Brunson gets every call, but Rowsey and Howard are consistently hand checked and body bumped with no call (my favorite yesterday was the turnover where Markus couldn't get to a pass as Brunson had him by the arm holding and the pass went out of bounds by Driscoll's feet who was so entirely out of position).
In the end, that was a good basketball play and non-call in my mind. Hard-nosed basketball. Yet, in other games, fans see that called so that is the cause of confusion.
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College basketball referees are terribly inconsistent from one game to the next. That is the nature of their profession as self-employed vagabonds. As Tall Titan pointed out, one of the refs did the Iowa at Nebraska game the day before. Not much time for rest.
Until that changes, the refereeing will be hit and miss.
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Nova did a great job rotating to Sam. The play where Rowsey/Howard run off three staggered screens and Sam pops to the corner was shutdown. That play has been scouted and Villanova excuted how to stop it. Sam's one made 3 was off the counter action where he runs to the weak corner.
Wojo needs to draw up something new to exploit the overplay on Sam. Maybe some new plays with Sam as the primary option and Rowsey or Howard as the secondary.
It is too bad this team lacks a dribble drive and kick game. No one can breakdown a defense, force help, and get the defense into rotation. Sam, Markus, and Andrew could get more open looks if we did.
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What was that game last year when all of a sudden the refs decided to call MU for boxing out? As the claim was that they were moving the defender backwards. It was crazy, and we never did see a game called like that again since--either for or against us.
The point being, I think the we see such an inconsistency in that call over the past two years since this became an emphasis. In that game, that was a foul on Nova. In most games (and in our definition) it isn't a foul.
I think that is Wojo's frustration too. Brunson gets every call, but Rowsey and Howard are consistently hand checked and body bumped with no call (my favorite yesterday was the turnover where Markus couldn't get to a pass as Brunson had him by the arm holding and the pass went out of bounds by Driscoll's feet who was so entirely out of position).
In the end, that was a good basketball play and non-call in my mind. Hard-nosed basketball. Yet, in other games, fans see that called so that is the cause of confusion.
Saw that exact boxing out call in the UVA-Duke game.
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Nova did a great job rotating to Sam. The play where Rowsey/Howard run off three staggered screens and Sam pops to the corner was shutdown. That play has been scouted and Villanova excuted how to stop it. Sam's one made 3 was off the counter action where he runs to the weak corner.
Wojo needs to draw up something new to exploit the overplay on Sam. Maybe some new plays with Sam as the primary option and Rowsey or Howard as the secondary.
It is too bad this team lacks a dribble drive and kick game. No one can breakdown a defense, force help, and get the defense into rotation. Sam, Markus, and Andrew could get more open looks if we did.
Well it doesn't help that when Howard does drive that he can't get fouls called. I think that's part of Wojo's frustration yesterday, Markus does the right thing and gets to the hoop but seems to be consistently on his ass at the end and at least some of them have to be fouls.
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Well it doesn't help that when Howard does drive that he can't get fouls called. I think that's part of Wojo's frustration yesterday, Markus does the right thing and gets to the hoop but seems to be consistently on his ass at the end and at least some of them have to be fouls.
Who was it who was saying that Markus didn't get fouled at the end of the Providence game on a drive when there was a pretty good photo of the Friar defender hitting him in the head? Funny now. And no, Markus could not buy a call on his drives yesterday.
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Well it doesn't help that when Howard does drive that he can't get fouls called. I think that's part of Wojo's frustration yesterday, Markus does the right thing and gets to the hoop but seems to be consistently on his ass at the end and at least some of them have to be fouls.
Unfortunately, short players don't get calls.
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Who was it who was saying that Markus didn't get fouled at the end of the Providence game on a drive when there was a pretty good photo of the Friar defender hitting him in the head? Funny now. And no, Markus could not buy a call on his drives yesterday.
Because he shies away from contact. He needs to do what Brunson does which is initiate the contact then take the shot.
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It is too bad this team lacks a dribble drive and kick game. No one can breakdown a defense, force help, and get the defense into rotation. Sam, Markus, and Andrew could get more open looks if we did.
I actually think Markus showed half of this ability yesterday. On a number of his drives into the lane, he drew attention and had an open teammate if only he was willing to pass. But he was looking to score first, whether he had a good shot or not. If he improves in this regard, he can take his game to the next level.
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I actually think Markus showed half of this ability yesterday. On a number of his drives into the lane, he drew attention and had an open teammate if only he was willing to pass. But he was looking to score first, whether he had a good shot or not. If he improves in this regard, he can take his game to the next level.
I just commented on this in the Markus fouls thread.
Either he needs to develop that part of his game or he needs to not play PG next season. He reduces his NBA prospects significantly (if not entirely) if he cannot develop into a score-first PG who also is able to get teammates involved.
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What was that game last year when all of a sudden the refs decided to call MU for boxing out? As the claim was that they were moving the defender backwards. It was crazy, and we never did see a game called like that again since--either for or against us.
Pretty sure it was at Providence last year. Combined with the slippery floor that game was a clusterfck.
Agree with the rest of your post too
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If you watch where the ball goes after the strip on Anim, it goes to his left to Brunson. If it's a clean strip, the ball should go straight down to the ground. The one hang up I have with that play was the no time out. We had 2 and Markus is on the bench. I'm not sure what the thought process was in letting that one play out.
It also looks like Bridges has the ball before he come into contact with Cain, which makes it a no call for me.
Also, nothing on Markus's 3rd or 4th? on the moving screen? That was terrible too.
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The one hang up I have with that play was the no time out. We had 2 and Markus is on the bench. I'm not sure what the thought process was in letting that one play out.
I've made no secret of being a big Wojo fan, but even I couldn't resist commenting to my 3 MU buddies: "I guess Wojo is saving those 2 timeouts for the Butler game."
In general, I think he has done a pretty good job of using his timeouts. However, there were several situations when he could have taken one yesterday that would have potentially helped the team.
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Mfsr has been consistent in his criticism of Sam.
Jilted lover syndrome
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If you watch where the ball goes after the strip on Anim, it goes to his left to Brunson. If it's a clean strip, the ball should go straight down to the ground. The one hang up I have with that play was the no time out. We had 2 and Markus is on the bench. I'm not sure what the thought process was in letting that one play out.
It also looks like Bridges has the ball before he come into contact with Cain, which makes it a no call for me.
Also, nothing on Markus's 3rd or 4th? on the moving screen? That was terrible too.
I get what you are saying about the TOs, but the offense was clicking for the most part, I'm not sure I would have taken a TO there and let Nova get set. Yes it was a bit scrambled but if Sacar doesn't get hacked he's got a relatively high percentage shot to bring it within 1. Plus with Markus having 4 fouls, I don't think you could bring him in on offense there because then he has to play defense and you wouldn't be able to hide him so you are likely giving up a bucket or having him pick up his 5th.
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I am bummed by how this game ended, but thrilled with how we competed. It is frustrating that we are "not there yet", but there is a clear and obvious path to reach that level next year.
That said, I am worried about Markus becoming a gunner and refusing to allow his teammates to complement his game. Yesterday was not team ball from him, and that's 2 games against the best of the best that we win if he plays within himself (again, we don't win against Providence if he doesn't play out of his mind, so good with the bad).
Needle is still pointing up, but it's pointing up more for next year and beyond than it is for this being a special year where things just "click" and we start fixing our flaws. We should still make the tourney if we take care of business, but we are what we are at this point.
And I'll say it again - Cain is going to be really, REALLY good before all is said and done.
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I am bummed by how this game ended, but thrilled with how we competed. It is frustrating that we are "not there yet", but there is a clear and obvious path to reach that level next year.
That said, I am worried about Markus becoming a gunner and refusing to allow his teammates to complement his game. Yesterday was not team ball from him, and that's 2 games against the best of the best that we win if he plays within himself (again, we don't win against Providence if he doesn't play out of his mind, so good with the bad).
Needle is still pointing up, but it's pointing up more for next year and beyond than it is for this being a special year where things just "click" and we start fixing our flaws. We should still make the tourney if we take care of business, but we are what we are at this point.
And I'll say it again - Cain is going to be really, REALLY good before all is said and done.
Cain will be very good, but needs to get physically stronger. Interesting watching Cain as a true frosh playing against redshirt junior Mikal Bridges. Bridges was redshirted his first year to build up his frame. Too bad Cain does not have that opportunity.
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Thought it was a great atmosphere and a very good college basketball game. Thought they had a chance to steal one, but the better team won. Thought Anim had his game at MU by a very wide margin. I hope Froling gets more minutes and camps his big body down by the hoop. I believe that will open things up for the other guys and for some paint points as well.
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He had the ball. He had position. Not a foul.
Haven't been through all 7 pages so apologize if someone beat me to it, but the ball is clearly not in possession by either player at the time contact was made. It is also clear that Bridges' momentum initiated the contact (i.e. it was not incidental).
Of course, it's not a foul because there was no call by the official, but it should have been a foul.
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Haven't been through all 7 pages so apologize if someone beat me to it, but the ball is clearly not in possession by either player at the time contact was made. It is also clear that Bridges' momentum initiated the contact (i.e. it was not incidental).
Of course, it's not a foul because there was no call by the official, but it should have been a foul.
No. Video link shows its clearly not a foul.
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Season ticket holder, don't post much and no time to "read 'em all" but have these thoughts on Nova game and season. Sorry if duplication. If there is any question of what offenses are going to run against us you are not paying attention.... Nova ran few offensive plays. Mostly spread the floor, isolate and drive... Force us to stop or foul.....Gonna happen continually until we can stop that or change that... Defense isn't played by chasing the guy or running alongside, pushing in while he drives and once you leave your feet you are done....check the foul line stats....
But the game wasn't lost at the foul line.... left a bunch, I mean a bunch of points on the boards with missed three footers, lay ups and close in shots, at least 18 from I counted... make half and we win or really make Nova sweat and change their game. All guilty....Heldt, John, Rowsey, Sam, and Marcus of note. Too many empty possessions after a turn over, missed shot or empty possession by them... Gotta convert, especially twos and make them pay... Have to finish... but been a problem all year.
We ARE better than we were in November, for sure... Heldt has to look for the ball in the lane and be ready to take it to the basket, not pass first. All have to look for Harry on the high post roll. Missed him wide open several times while we jack a long three instead.... Have to think out there.... Too much dribble then ball handling in close by Rowsey, Howard and yes, Sam. Too many no looks dealt with out others not looking or expecting the ball. This time of the season we should be much more aware of the court and who's got the ball and.... what they do with it. Costly turn overs cost us.
Difference between them and us is they do the "little" things and don't make many mistakes. Have a great point guard who takes care of the ball and doesn't play out of control. Like the play, in particular of Anim, Cain and Elliott. Freshmen no more.... Have almost 20 games under their belts. Other freshmen other places are not waiting to be sophomores...... Future is rosey but is also NOW!!!
We can be a VERY dangerous team if/when we make the tourney field... But gotta get there. Think we can but a few things have to improve some in the next several games to close out the conference.....
I like THIS team and we could have/should have won yesterday........close is no cigar....
Rambling thoughts. All yours until next time.....
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Season ticket holder, don't post much and no time to "read 'em all" but have these thoughts on Nova game and season. Sorry if duplication. If there is any question of what offenses are going to run against us you are not paying attention.... Nova ran few offensive plays. Mostly spread the floor, isolate and drive... Force us to stop or foul.....Gonna happen continually until we can stop that or change that... Defense isn't played by chasing the guy or running alongside, pushing in while he drives and once you leave your feet you are done....check the foul line stats....
But the game wasn't lost at the foul line.... left a bunch, I mean a bunch of points on the boards with missed three footers, lay ups and close in shots, at least 18 from I counted... make half and we win or really make Nova sweat and change their game. All guilty....Heldt, John, Rowsey, Sam, and Marcus of note. Too many empty possessions after a turn over, missed shot or empty possession by them... Gotta convert, especially twos and make them pay... Have to finish... but been a problem all year.
We ARE better than we were in November, for sure... Heldt has to look for the ball in the lane and be ready to take it to the basket, not pass first. All have to look for Harry on the high post roll. Missed him wide open several times while we jack a long three instead.... Have to think out there.... Too much dribble then ball handling in close by Rowsey, Howard and yes, Sam. Too many no looks dealt with out others not looking or expecting the ball. This time of the season we should be much more aware of the court and who's got the ball and.... what they do with it. Costly turn overs cost us.
Difference between them and us is they do the "little" things and don't make many mistakes. Have a great point guard who takes care of the ball and doesn't play out of control. Like the play, in particular of Anim, Cain and Elliott. Freshmen no more.... Have almost 20 games under their belts. Other freshmen other places are not waiting to be sophomores...... Future is rosey but is also NOW!!!
We can be a VERY dangerous team if/when we make the tourney field... But gotta get there. Think we can but a few things have to improve some in the next several games to close out the conference.....
I like THIS team and we could have/should have won yesterday........close is no cigar....
Rambling thoughts. All yours until next time.....
I like all of this.
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Season ticket holder, don't post much and no time to "read 'em all" but have these thoughts on Nova game and season. Sorry if duplication. If there is any question of what offenses are going to run against us you are not paying attention.... Nova ran few offensive plays. Mostly spread the floor, isolate and drive... Force us to stop or foul.....Gonna happen continually until we can stop that or change that... Defense isn't played by chasing the guy or running alongside, pushing in while he drives and once you leave your feet you are done....check the foul line stats....
But the game wasn't lost at the foul line.... left a bunch, I mean a bunch of points on the boards with missed three footers, lay ups and close in shots, at least 18 from I counted... make half and we win or really make Nova sweat and change their game. All guilty....Heldt, John, Rowsey, Sam, and Marcus of note. Too many empty possessions after a turn over, missed shot or empty possession by them... Gotta convert, especially twos and make them pay... Have to finish... but been a problem all year.
We ARE better than we were in November, for sure... Heldt has to look for the ball in the lane and be ready to take it to the basket, not pass first. All have to look for Harry on the high post roll. Missed him wide open several times while we jack a long three instead.... Have to think out there.... Too much dribble then ball handling in close by Rowsey, Howard and yes, Sam. Too many no looks dealt with out others not looking or expecting the ball. This time of the season we should be much more aware of the court and who's got the ball and.... what they do with it. Costly turn overs cost us.
Difference between them and us is they do the "little" things and don't make many mistakes. Have a great point guard who takes care of the ball and doesn't play out of control. Like the play, in particular of Anim, Cain and Elliott. Freshmen no more.... Have almost 20 games under their belts. Other freshmen other places are not waiting to be sophomores...... Future is rosey but is also NOW!!!
We can be a VERY dangerous team if/when we make the tourney field... But gotta get there. Think we can but a few things have to improve some in the next several games to close out the conference.....
I like THIS team and we could have/should have won yesterday........close is no cigar....
Rambling thoughts. All yours until next time.....
Rambling thoughts are welcome here! Stop by again.
Anybody can pick nits with anybody else's posts, so I won't get all specific except with your last point - one a couple others also made.
<<we could have/should have won yesterday>>
Sure, could have. Should have? Nah.
We never "had" this game. It was never ours to give away. The better team won.
Indeed, had we somehow pulled off the win, Nova fans would have been talking about how they should have won it. No doubt they still feel that way about last year's loss to us - one in which they blew a large lead.
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Season ticket holder, don't post much and no time to "read 'em all" but have these thoughts on Nova game and season. Sorry if duplication. If there is any question of what offenses are going to run against us you are not paying attention.... Nova ran few offensive plays. Mostly spread the floor, isolate and drive... Force us to stop or foul.....Gonna happen continually until we can stop that or change that... Defense isn't played by chasing the guy or running alongside, pushing in while he drives and once you leave your feet you are done....check the foul line stats....
But the game wasn't lost at the foul line.... left a bunch, I mean a bunch of points on the boards with missed three footers, lay ups and close in shots, at least 18 from I counted... make half and we win or really make Nova sweat and change their game. All guilty....Heldt, John, Rowsey, Sam, and Marcus of note. Too many empty possessions after a turn over, missed shot or empty possession by them... Gotta convert, especially twos and make them pay... Have to finish... but been a problem all year.
We ARE better than we were in November, for sure... Heldt has to look for the ball in the lane and be ready to take it to the basket, not pass first. All have to look for Harry on the high post roll. Missed him wide open several times while we jack a long three instead.... Have to think out there.... Too much dribble then ball handling in close by Rowsey, Howard and yes, Sam. Too many no looks dealt with out others not looking or expecting the ball. This time of the season we should be much more aware of the court and who's got the ball and.... what they do with it. Costly turn overs cost us.
Difference between them and us is they do the "little" things and don't make many mistakes. Have a great point guard who takes care of the ball and doesn't play out of control. Like the play, in particular of Anim, Cain and Elliott. Freshmen no more.... Have almost 20 games under their belts. Other freshmen other places are not waiting to be sophomores...... Future is rosey but is also NOW!!!
We can be a VERY dangerous team if/when we make the tourney field... But gotta get there. Think we can but a few things have to improve some in the next several games to close out the conference.....
I like THIS team and we could have/should have won yesterday........close is no cigar....
Rambling thoughts. All yours until next time.....
Solid rambling.
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Marquette has now given up 85+ points in 7 games:
Purdue (86-71 L)
Xavier (91-87 L)
Providence (95-90 W)
@ Nova (100-90 L)
@ Butler (94-83 L)
@ Xavier (90-70 L)
Nova (85-82 L)
So we're 1-6 in those games for the season. This team can score with anybody. But the single biggest thing holding them back is the defense.
For the season, MU scores 82.4 ppg and gives up 76.8 ppg. So yesterday was pretty much a typical game offensively — even with significantly lower free throw attempts, we actually shot higher than our season averages for both 2-pointers and 3-pointers, kept turnovers in check and did reasonably well on the boards.
But we gave up 8 more points than usual on defense. Nova shot an astounding 58.3% (21-36) on 2-pointers. That accounted for half their points, with lots of layups on fast breaks and drives to the basket after switches. And they put us away at the line. MU's defensive FT rate isn't good to start with (a FTA/FGA of 36.3% according to KenPom.com, 241st in the country), and the Wildcats managed to slightly top that — finishing with with 40.0% (on 24 FTA/60 FGA).
The story was much the same earlier this month at Villanova, only worse. MU scored 90, but gave up a season-high 100 points — including 65.7% shooting on 2-pointers (!) and an eye-popping 56.1% FTR (OMG, 32 FTA/57 FGA). That's right, 32 free throw attempts. Getting to the line is a big part of Nova's game, and they definitely know how to do it against Marquette.
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Solid rambling.
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Marquette has now given up 85+ points in 7 games:
Purdue (86-71 L)
Xavier (91-87 L)
Providence (95-90 W)
@ Nova (100-90 L)
@ Butler (94-83 L)
@ Xavier (90-70 L)
Nova (85-82 L)
So we're 1-6 in those games for the season. This team can score with anybody. But the single biggest thing holding them back is the defense.
For the season, MU scores 82.4 ppg and gives up 76.8 ppg. So yesterday was pretty much a typical game offensively — even with significantly lower free throw attempts, we actually shot higher than our season averages for both 2-pointers and 3-pointers, kept turnovers in check and did reasonably well on the boards.
But we gave up 8 more points than usual on defense. Nova shot an astounding 58.3% (21-36) on 2-pointers. That accounted for half their points, with lots of layups on fast breaks and drives to the basket after switches. And they put us away at the line. MU's defensive FT rate isn't good to start with (a FTA/FGA of 36.3% according to KenPom.com, 241st in the country), and the Wildcats managed to slightly top that — finishing with with 40.0% (on 24 FTA/60 FGA).
The story was much the same earlier this month at Villanova, only worse. MU scored 90, but gave up a season-high 100 points — including 65.7% shooting on 2-pointers (!) and an eye-popping 56.1% FTR (OMG, 32 FTA/57 FGA). That's right, 32 free throw attempts. Getting to the line is a big part of Nova's game, and they definitely know how to do it against Marquette.
5 of those 7 were against Ken Pom offenses rated 1st, 3rd and 8th. Providence game only went over 85 because of OT.
We have played the 4th most difficult schedule against opposing offenses.
Nova has scored 85 or over in 7 of 8 Big East games......nobody is stopping them.
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Pretty sure it was at Providence last year. Combined with the slippery floor that game was a clusterfck.
Agree with the rest of your post too
It was last years Nova game that we won. It's what took Marcus out of that game.
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Marquette has now given up 85+ points in 7 games:
Purdue (86-71 L)
Xavier (91-87 L)
Providence (95-90 W)
@ Nova (100-90 L)
@ Butler (94-83 L)
@ Xavier (90-70 L)
Nova (85-82 L)
So we're 1-6 in those games for the season. This team can score with anybody. But the single biggest thing holding them back is the defense.
For the season, MU scores 82.4 ppg and gives up 76.8 ppg. So yesterday was pretty much a typical game offensively — even with significantly lower free throw attempts, we actually shot higher than our season averages for both 2-pointers and 3-pointers, kept turnovers in check and did reasonably well on the boards.
But we gave up 8 more points than usual on defense. Nova shot an astounding 58.3% (21-36) on 2-pointers. That accounted for half their points, with lots of layups on fast breaks and drives to the basket after switches. And they put us away at the line. MU's defensive FT rate isn't good to start with (a FTA/FGA of 36.3% according to KenPom.com, 241st in the country), and the Wildcats managed to slightly top that — finishing with with 40.0% (on 24 FTA/60 FGA).
The story was much the same earlier this month at Villanova, only worse. MU scored 90, but gave up a season-high 100 points — including 65.7% shooting on 2-pointers (!) and an eye-popping 56.1% FTR (OMG, 32 FTA/57 FGA). That's right, 32 free throw attempts. Getting to the line is a big part of Nova's game, and they definitely know how to do it against Marquette.
It is a great barometer to understand whether or not we win against quality teams. Providence was held to the low 80s in regulation - the low 80s seems to be where we need to keep quality teams to have a shot at our offense carrying the day.
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It is a great barometer to understand whether or not we win against quality teams. Providence was held to the low 80s in regulation - the low 80s seems to be where we need to keep quality teams to have a shot at our offense carrying the day.
PC had 79 in regulation.
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It is a great barometer to understand whether or not we win against quality teams. Providence was held to the low 80s in regulation - the low 80s seems to be where we need to keep quality teams to have a shot at our offense carrying the day.
Providence was held to 79 in regulation.
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PC had 79 in regulation.
Providence was held to 79 in regulation.
Yes my bad - looked quickly and made a mental error. My point stands. This team's offense can beat anyone as long as we keep teams in the low 80's - go above that and our track record of winning the track meet is not so good.
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I get what you are saying about the TOs, but the offense was clicking for the most part, I'm not sure I would have taken a TO there and let Nova get set. Yes it was a bit scrambled but if Sacar doesn't get hacked he's got a relatively high percentage shot to bring it within 1. Plus with Markus having 4 fouls, I don't think you could bring him in on offense there because then he has to play defense and you wouldn't be able to hide him so you are likely giving up a bucket or having him pick up his 5th.
Realized while walking the dog this morning, that that possession came off of the missed FT. So he had plenty of time to bring Howard in. I understand the foul situation, but there's a minute left and you are down 3 with a pretty good 3 point shooter on the bench.
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I've made no secret of being a big Wojo fan, but even I couldn't resist commenting to my 3 MU buddies: "I guess Wojo is saving those 2 timeouts for the Butler game."
In general, I think he has done a pretty good job of using his timeouts. However, there were several situations when he could have taken one yesterday that would have potentially helped the team.
When MU got the ball back down 83-80, I thought to myself, "Does Wojo call timeout to set something up or let them attack in transition?"
He chose the latter. If Anim gets a lay up or the foul is called like it should have been, then I think Wojo would have called timeout to set up his defense and strategy. He'd also have one more timeout remaining, which could be used depending on the score-time situation.
There are pros and cons to both calling and not calling the timeout down 3. I don't think there is right or wrong philosophy there.
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79 rounds to 80, and 80 is the lowest 80 there is.
So by using the same logic applied to the officiating yesterday (that three refs at 60% round up to three refs at 100%), it would seem Frenns was technically correct.
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Funny about the officiating. I didn't think it was egregious against us. What's funny is that the call that bothered me the most is the first one against Rowsey. Rowsey was guarding Brunson, and Brunson backed him down by repeated shouldering into him, backing him up a little each time, and when Rowsey finally bumped back, they called a foul on Rowsey, which was probably a deserved foul.
The reason that call bothered me the most of all the calls is that because Rowsey is not heavy/strong enough to hold his ground every time Brunson bumped him to back him up a little, Rowsey had no legal way to defend that play. Brunson was clearly repeatedly initiating contact with his shoulder. I think that should be an offensive foul. Its never called that way, though, unless the defender flops and hopes for a call, which is a very risky play.
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Harry had a few nice plays in the paint; needed more from him on the glass today.
I think Harry is going to have to play more than Heldt down the stretch. Teams are going to go all in to keep Rowsey/Howard/Hauser off the three point line. That is going to open up a lot of penetration and opportunities for the drive and dish, and we need a big who can catch the tough pass and score, and Harry will do that better than Heldt.
I like the energy Theo brings, but once he gets the ball down low he is going to get a shot up come hell or high water whether he has one or not. We need him to be a more willing passer when the shot is not there. To do that, he needs confidence he'll get the ball back if he re-establishes good position.
Heldt is probably the best defender man to man, but he isn't that great, Theo is the best help defender though he is foul-prone, and Froling is the best guy with the ball in his hand and probably the best rebounder, but is the worst defender.
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I think Harry is going to have to play more than Heldt down the stretch. Teams are going to go all in to keep Rowsey/Howard/Hauser off the three point line. That is going to open up a lot of penetration and opportunities for the drive and dish, and we need a big who can catch the tough pass and score, and Harry will do that better than Heldt.
I like the energy Theo brings, but once he gets the ball down low he is going to get a shot up come hell or high water whether he has one or not. We need him to be a more willing passer when the shot is not there. To do that, he needs confidence he'll get the ball back if he re-establishes good position.
Heldt is probably the best defender man to man, but he isn't that great, Theo is the best help defender though he is foul-prone, and Froling is the best guy with the ball in his hand and probably the best rebounder, but is the worst defender.
I think Wojo agrees. Harry played 27 minutes to Heldt's 8 yesterday.
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Marquette has now given up 85+ points in 7 games:
Purdue (86-71 L)
Xavier (91-87 L)
Providence (95-90 W)
@ Nova (100-90 L)
@ Butler (94-83 L)
@ Xavier (90-70 L)
Nova (85-82 L)
So we're 1-6 in those games for the season. This team can score with anybody. But the single biggest thing holding them back is the defense.
For the season, MU scores 82.4 ppg and gives up 76.8 ppg. So yesterday was pretty much a typical game offensively — even with significantly lower free throw attempts, we actually shot higher than our season averages for both 2-pointers and 3-pointers, kept turnovers in check and did reasonably well on the boards.
But we gave up 8 more points than usual on defense. Nova shot an astounding 58.3% (21-36) on 2-pointers. That accounted for half their points, with lots of layups on fast breaks and drives to the basket after switches. And they put us away at the line. MU's defensive FT rate isn't good to start with (a FTA/FGA of 36.3% according to KenPom.com, 241st in the country), and the Wildcats managed to slightly top that — finishing with with 40.0% (on 24 FTA/60 FGA).
The story was much the same earlier this month at Villanova, only worse. MU scored 90, but gave up a season-high 100 points — including 65.7% shooting on 2-pointers (!) and an eye-popping 56.1% FTR (OMG, 32 FTA/57 FGA). That's right, 32 free throw attempts. Getting to the line is a big part of Nova's game, and they definitely know how to do it against Marquette.
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Funny about the officiating. I didn't think it was egregious against us.
I agree. The officials were NOT biased against us. They missed a few calls that should have gone our way and they missed a few that should have gone Nova's way. It happens in every game.