Nova Thoughts

[GGGG]

Anim no-call: https://twitter.com/trodlove1/status/957709446276370432

Yeah that's a foul. 

[1SE]

When I watched in in realtime, I thought it was a clear foul. But #bansultan is right - look where Cain is when they both start going up for the ball (just at 5 seconds) - Cain undercuts Bridges and that's why he knocks him over.

[forgetful]

Anim no-call: https://twitter.com/trodlove1/status/957709446276370432

This is the one I think has to be called a foul.  By not calling it, you essentially give the game to Nova.  If you call it, the player has to make both shots, and Nova still has a chance to win it on their end or by stopping us next possession. 

Usually you give the benefit of the doubt to the team that is behind in this scenario, otherwise, you are picking the winner. 

In a tie game, if they let that go I'm more ok with it...let overtime decide it instead of an official.  But when the team is down, a no call is picking a winner.

Live, it is tough to know for sure if it was clean or a foul.  If the team that is up reaches and it is 50/50.  You call the foul.

[mug644]

3) Please talk about Anim, sounded like he changed the game on both ends.

He played solid defense against Brunson, and he was effective cutting into the lane for his points.

Actually, with about 3 minutes to go, I thought to myself, "if MU wins, it might be Anim who should be the SOTG."

[Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist]

That's a foul but not sure about the Cain one. He needs to be stronger

[GGGG]

This is the one I think has to be called a foul.  By not calling it, you essentially give the game to Nova.  If you call it, the player has to make both shots, and Nova still has a chance to win it on their end or by stopping us next possession. 

Usually you give the benefit of the doubt to the team that is behind in this scenario, otherwise, you are picking the winner. 

In a tie game, if they let that go I'm more ok with it...let overtime decide it instead of an official.  But when the team is down, a no call is picking a winner.

Live, it is tough to know for sure if it was clean or a foul.  If the team that is up reaches and it is 50/50.  You call the foul.

So you say the refs should know who is ahead or behind when making a call?  That makes no sense.  I've reffed dozens of games and rarely have I realized who is winning or losing when making calls.

What refs should do is give the benefit to the offense and not the defender reaching in.

[Silkk the Shaka]

He played solid defense against Brunson, and he was effective cutting into the lane for his points.

Actually, with about 3 minutes to go, I thought to myself, "if MU wins, it might be Anim who should be the SOTG."

Yeah it would have been Rowsey, but Sacar & Froling were 1.a & 1.b.

Howard would have been Bizarro SOTG.

[mu03eng]

With 35 minutes left, they probably call the foul on Bridges on Cain, but not with 35 seconds left. The Sacar no-call was completely unforgivable, that is a call you have to make every time, especially with the game on the line

[1SE]

Overall a lot of positives in this game. Both Frolling and Sacar looked for the first time like they're ready to be real contributors in the BE. Boys came back a couple times when Nova could have just run away (or kept a 12-15pt cushion). Sam actually played some pretty decent on ball D.

Biggest limitation tonight was the hero ball by the midgets. Both of them. Markus was clearly more guilty of it, but that break with about 4 minutes left, where Rowsy and Markus were 2 v 2, Rowsy takes it into the lane and both players collapse on him and Makus flashes to the wing, and I KNEW Rowsy was going to take the contested 1 v 2 layup (which he missed) rather than dishing to Markus. Seriously - how many assists do those to have to each other. If they played together we'd be almost unstoppable on O. But when they're both out there, more often than not, when one has the ball the other's man sags onto him.

[forgetful]

So you say the refs should know who is ahead or behind when making a call?  That makes no sense.  I've reffed dozens of games and rarely have I realized who is winning or losing when making calls.

What refs should do is give the benefit to the offense and not the defender reaching in.

Now you are contradicting yourself over the years.  You've defended refs in the past saying that the job of the ref is to not decide the game, and that at the end of the game you cannot expect a call unless it is blatant. I agree with you on this, officials should avoid deciding the game with a whistle.

Yes, refs need to be situationally aware of time of game and situation (e.g. score).

You are right, they should also give the benefit of the doubt to the offense and not the out of position defender reaching in.

They were not situationally aware, and also gave the out of position defender reaching in the benefit of the doubt.  Both are major officiating errors. 

Those were not isolated instances.   

[nyg]

Can you of you stat gurus out there please find out where MU ranks in fouls called in BE play and also ranks nationally? 

[GGGG]

Now you are contradicting yourself over the years.  You've defended refs in the past saying that the job of the ref is to not decide the game, and that at the end of the game you cannot expect a call unless it is blatant. I agree with you on this, officials should avoid deciding the game with a whistle.

Refs should not make borderline calls to decide games.  That wasn't a borderline call.  That was obvious.

You are literally saying that a call could be made whether or not a team is ahead or behind.  That's absurd.

[skianth16]

Can you of you stat gurus out there please find out where MU ranks in fouls called in BE play and also ranks nationally?

Without looking, I've got to think we're in the top 2-3 in the BE in fouls called and in the top 25-ish nationally, but it's well deserved. We don't have the athletes that many other teams do, and that kills us on D. Markus, Rowsey, Sam, Heldt, and even Froling are just not able to play defense at their position in this league. They're good enough basketball players to compete but not as athletic as the average guys at their position, and that show up more on defense.

[hdog1017]

Why wasn't it a sellout?  #1 team on a Sunday afternoon. 

[nyg]

Without looking, I've got to think we're in the top 2-3 in the BE in fouls called and in the top 25-ish nationally, but it's well deserved. We don't have the athletes that many other teams do, and that kills us on D. Markus, Rowsey, Sam, Heldt, and even Froling are just not able to play defense at their position in this league. They're good enough basketball players to compete but not as athletic as the average guys at their position, and that show up more on defense.

Thats why I would like to see where they stand.  I recall one announcer saying MU leads the BE in fouls, but can't recall which game it was.  I tried and could not find, someone out there knows. 

[mu_hilltopper]

I'm in the .. both of those were fouls camp.  Certainly the Anim one .. and at worst, the other could easily been called a foul and a reasonable Nova fan, seeing a ton of contact, couldn't legit complain.

I don't mind losing, but I do mind losing this way.

[WarriorDad]

Thought Anim was fouled, did not think there was an over the back.  I guess we all see things differently.

Howard's shots short most of the game.  The missed free throw was killer.  #ftsmatta

Too many quick shots by Rowsey and Howard at times. 

Froling playing better.  Need more Theo John.  Need more Hauser.


Had a chance, played well enough to win.  Brunson is a man among boys, extremely crafty and clever.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

For whatever reason, when the offensive is running well with Howard not on his game, he tends to come in and disrupt every bit of rythym we have. He was like this vs Xavier at home. He was TERRIBLE today and I think by the end of the game Wojo realized he was hurting the team. Whoever said he was "trying to be a hero" is spot on. And I don't say that in a good way.

I get that he's a scorer and they're different animals but I feel like if he's not "getting his" he's better off on the bench.

I do not fee the same way about Rowsey when he's off his game. He seems better able to play a secondary role than Howard.

Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?

[jesmu84]

Harry had a few nice plays in the paint; needed more from him on the glass today.

The stuck on Sam and he didn't force anything; need to run more set plays to get him shots.

Anim was a standout today.  Great rebounding solid defense.  Tremendous cutting action for easy buckets.  He'll be really fun to watch as a polished senior in a couple years.

Markus took Markus out of the game today. 

Our runs coincided with smart offensive possessions on our side.  When we took bad shots on offense they killed us in transition.  That was the difference in the game.

Yup.

[GGGG]

For whatever reason, when the offensive is running well with Howard not on his game, he tends to come in and disrupt every bit of rythym we have. He was like this vs Xavier at home. He was TERRIBLE today and I think by the end of the game Wojo realized he was hurting the team. Whoever said he was "trying to be a hero" is spot on. And I don't say that in a good way.

I get that he's a scorer and they're different animals but I feel like if he's not "getting his" he's better off on the bench.

I do not fee the same way about Rowsey when he's off his game. He seems better able to play a secondary role than Howard.

Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?

Or doesn't understand the value of getting others involved.

[WarriorDad]

For whatever reason, when the offensive is running well with Howard not on his game, he tends to come in and disrupt every bit of rythym we have. He was like this vs Xavier at home. He was TERRIBLE today and I think by the end of the game Wojo realized he was hurting the team. Whoever said he was "trying to be a hero" is spot on. And I don't say that in a good way.

I get that he's a scorer and they're different animals but I feel like if he's not "getting his" he's better off on the bench.

I do not fee the same way about Rowsey when he's off his game. He seems better able to play a secondary role than Howard.

Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?

He is also 18, still learning. Rowsey is 23 years, 7 months.  Howard will learn to be more of a team player.  Experience will help with that.

[D'Lo Brown]

Howard is a great player but this is a serious issue with him. Is he a winner? Or is he somebody who likes to read his box scores?

Stephen A? Is that you?

What a joke.

[SaveOD238]

I also noticed that every time we got on a run it was broken up with a timeout.  I feel like we have had terrible luck this year with timeouts breaking up runs when the crowd is loud and shots are falling, only to come out of the timeout and give up seven straight.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

He is also 18, still learning. Rowsey is 23 years, 7 months.  Howard will learn to be more of a team player.  Experience will help with that.

How old is Hauser?

[GGGG]

I also noticed that every time we got on a run it was broken up with a timeout.  I feel like we have had terrible luck this year with timeouts breaking up runs when the crowd is loud and shots are falling, only to come out of the timeout and give up seven straight.

That happens when good coaches are coaching experienced teams.