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Title: Xavier game thread
Post by: real chili 83 on January 24, 2018, 05:24:15 PM
 Boohoo, we ruined your senior day last year. The Warriors are gonna pee in your Wheeties again tonight.

I'm taking a fler and calling Harry for SOTG.

GO WARRIORS!!!

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Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 05:25:58 PM
Can MU finally get a signature win?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: fjm on January 24, 2018, 05:28:53 PM
Wheaties and pee eh!
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 05:33:43 PM
God, Macura looks like an idiot...
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
Theo. Dumb, unnecessary foul
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
Its early, but X plays some good defense, MU, well.....

Theo two fouls in a minute, Heldt with another.  X maybe gets in bonus at 12 minute mark.

Again early, but defense has to step up abit. 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: fjm on January 24, 2018, 05:40:56 PM
Sheesh. They're burying 3's. This is noooot good.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: muguru on January 24, 2018, 05:42:14 PM
Quote from: fjm on January 24, 2018, 05:40:56 PM
Sheesh. They're burying 3's. This is noooot good.

Tired of guys that are TERRIBLE 3pt shooters suddenly burying them against MU...first Paschall from Nova, now Goodin from Xavier(he of the 3-26 from 3 coming in).
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 05:43:43 PM
Can someone please hurry and make a gif of that missed dunk from Macura? Pure gold
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 05:43:50 PM
Can you imagine the crowd if that Macura missed dunk was anywhere but here
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 05:44:44 PM
Wojo's defense always causes mediocre shooters to get hot.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
Whoa, Markus with 12 of our first 13? I love it.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 05:48:09 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 05:44:44 PM
Wojo's defense always causes mediocre shooters to get hot.

Sadly, you're not wrong
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 05:49:36 PM
Too many missed bunnies so far. Didn't see a foul on Harry there either. 

We got this.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: fjm on January 24, 2018, 05:49:54 PM
Everything against X is an and 1.

Every drive from markus he's getting grabbed and pulled. No calls.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
Quote from: fjm on January 24, 2018, 05:40:56 PM
Sheesh. They're burying 3's. This is noooot good.

All have been wide open, not one contested. 

MU making very hard shots, should say Markus, and X making open threes. 

Strange, both teams have missed two layups each....

and another big man foul.......Bluitt on bench with two fouls and MU not taking advantage.  X going inside and if covered pass out for open three.  If not, score or get fouled. 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: muguru on January 24, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
So....let's see...Macura has 2 to this point, Bluiett has...0 and on the bench with two fouls..so, if I told you Xavier had an 8 point lead..you'd say No f'n way..yet here we are,,because of Paul Freaking Scruggs and Quentin Goodin with 14 combined?? Really?? That'd be like if Rowsey and Howard were scoreless, and MU had an 8 point lead at this point, led by Anim and Elliott...Yeah exactly, the odds of that are INCREDIBLY low. Unbelieveable.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 05:52:36 PM
If X plays D like this all night it doesn't bode well
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 05:55:00 PM
Markus is the only person even pretending to look for a shot
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 05:56:41 PM
I would be so pissed at the shots Markus makes if I wasn't a Marquette fan
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: muhoops1 on January 24, 2018, 05:56:47 PM
MU making difficult shots.  Nothing easy except Sacar's layup.  Long night for MU
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: peterpan on January 24, 2018, 05:57:37 PM
Getting nothing from the center position tonight.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Fred Garvin on January 24, 2018, 05:57:48 PM
This is terrible offense,Matt has to contribute somehow??
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on January 24, 2018, 05:57:56 PM
What is heldts purpose?  Frustrating
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: willie warrior on January 24, 2018, 05:59:59 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 05:44:44 PM
Wojo's defense always causes mediocre shooters to get hot.
Wojo has no clue how to coach defense. And Rowsey  is once again taking a huge dump all over the floor.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 24, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
82s girls team could score against us.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: muguru on January 24, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
So....let's see...Macura has 2 to this point, Bluiett has...0 and on the bench with two fouls..so, if I told you Xavier had an 8 point lead..you'd say No f'n way..yet here we are,,because of Paul Freaking Scruggs and Quentin Goodin with 14 combined?? Really?? That'd be like if Rowsey and Howard were scoreless, and MU had an 8 point lead at this point, led by Anim and Elliott...Yeah exactly, the odds of that are INCREDIBLY low. Unbelieveable.

When one player has like 85% of your points.
When the other MU guard has driven thru the lane four times and tried miracle layups/shots
When Scruggs/Goodin school the guards, who can't play defense.  See how Scruggs just backed down Rowsey
When Heldt misses layups and he's schooled by Kantor/O'Mara
Recipe for disaster.  X is very good. 

And another foul on Harry.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:02:19 PM
Man Heldt got worked
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:02:42 PM
We are approaching this game turning into just an exercise in seeing how many points Markus can score and not if MU can win. No one else is doing ANYTHING on either end
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:04:19 PM
Wow
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:05:26 PM
Oh my, Sam you jockstrap is still on the floor.  What a move by Goodin. 

And another foul, Hedlt, John and Froling have 6 in 15 minutes. 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Jockey on January 24, 2018, 06:06:11 PM
A clinic.

Complete lack of effort.

A total embarrassment.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2018, 06:06:11 PM
A clinic.

Complete lack of effort.

A total embarrassment.
Meh I don't think effort is the issue
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 24, 2018, 06:07:42 PM
Rip the 100% dream
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 06:08:26 PM
Things are going bad hen M2N misses a FT, even though thy don't matta.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:08:31 PM
Curtains
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:08:38 PM
Nice job getting your team to play, Wojo.

Nine days of prep and this is what MU does.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:08:54 PM
Howard misses a FT and X player takes at least 3 steps before passing to a guy hitting a 3. I think we're done tonight.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: muhoops1 on January 24, 2018, 06:08:58 PM
This could demoralize them for Sunday.  Back to back ass whippings.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:10:03 PM
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:08:54 PM
Howard misses a FT and X player takes at least 3 steps before passing to a guy hitting a 3. I think we're done tonight.
Yeah I'm not one to overreact but X is possessed tonight. Can't see us pulling this out. Hopefully we make it closer than this
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 24, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
OH THE HUMANITY!!!!  A Miss!!!!
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
Wow.  They don't miss much, do they?

Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
I wish FS1 had a Markus Howard offense channel that only showed Markus on offense.  No defense and no having to watch anyone else shooting tonight
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
This is ugly. This version of our team has shown up way too often this year.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 24, 2018, 06:12:43 PM
Announcers correctly noted his last miss was Creighton on March 4.

They have it at 66 straight ... two short of Novak.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: D'Lo Brown on January 24, 2018, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:08:38 PM
Nice job getting your team to play, Wojo.

Nine days of prep and this is what MU does.

Go Badgers.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Bad_Reporter on January 24, 2018, 06:13:34 PM
Cain is very unimpressive right now. Last play it looked like he just coasted. Pull him
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
I wish FS1 had a Markus Howard offense channel that only showed Markus on offense.  No defense and no having to watch anyone else shooting tonight

The actual game is halfway there. Markus is the only one shooting when we're on offense, and we're electing to not play defense, so not too far off from your request.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Afroman on January 24, 2018, 06:14:09 PM
This has to be the worst defensive team in major college basketball.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: GoldenZebra on January 24, 2018, 06:14:39 PM
I dont understand this team. For all the emphasis placed on defense it just doesnt cut it against good opponents.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
Wow.  They don't miss much, do they?

Look who they are playing, Markus and Rowsey getting bombed and X getting wide open threes.  Believe they are 7 for 11 so far.  And X has missed two dunks......Not a good night so far.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:15:39 PM
Need something respectable in half 2. This is a nightmare
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:15:51 PM
Wojo has not proven he knows how to teach defense
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2018, 06:17:10 PM
I haven't watched.

Looks like Markus vs Xavier. Sam with 1 shot? Wtf.

At one point I saw it was 39-21 with Macura and Blueitt having 1 FG

Derrick Wilson clone Goodin was 3/3 from 3. Yeeeeesh.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 24, 2018, 06:17:48 PM
Well I think it's time I bring out the hard stuff and watch Rowsey and Howard launch 3's in an attempt to come back.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Afroman on January 24, 2018, 06:18:21 PM
Mediocrity Woj.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: BM1090 on January 24, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
Worst half of the year by far. I guess small chance we could come back but it would take a lot. Everyone besides Markus has been completely useless.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
Wojo better need to see a Cardiologist after this halftime.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: GoldenZebra on January 24, 2018, 06:20:10 PM
I guess im just disappointed by the lack of good basketball...it is against a top 10 team on the road.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
It's laughable that anyone thinks a Wojo coached team can reach the Sweet Sixteen.

The guy cannot coach defense.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:21:19 PM
What can Wojo even say at halftime? It's not like a tweak or two to the gameplan is going to have us right back in this thing. Hopefully Markus can share some of that holy water he rinsed his hands in with the rest of the team. Maybe then we'll have a shot at working our way back from this hole we're in.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 24, 2018, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
It's laughable that anyone thinks a Wojo coached team can reach the Sweet Sixteen.

The guy cannot coach defense.

You seem extra confident in your stance. Would you care to wager a large sum of money on it?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:23:13 PM
I don't think there is anything coherent he can say at halftime to make a difference.  I'm looking for completely incoherent screaming and breaking things
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:23:20 PM
Sam with a couple of sleepy passes. Space cadet today. Not like him, Where is he?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 24, 2018, 06:24:01 PM
The frosh are looking like freshmen.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: chapman on January 24, 2018, 06:24:05 PM
If anyone was wondering about the layoff:

No other BE team has a nine day gap between games.  But five BE teams have eight day layoffs.

Only three teams plugged a hole with a non-conference game (Nova vs. UConn in between a six day BE break, Creighton vs. Bemidji State (D2) during a seven day BE break, and St. John's vs. Duke to fill one of the eight day gaps.


In other words, "it's not fair" or "should have put in a non-conference game" aren't really valid.  Just playing terrible ball.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: willie warrior on January 24, 2018, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: MUpilot on January 24, 2018, 05:57:56 PM
What is heldts purpose?  Frustrating
A better question: What is Wojo's purpose? Maybe to get a job at Coastal Carolina.
He should has done a bang up job preparing the team for this game.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 24, 2018, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:23:13 PM
I don't think there is anything coherent he can say at halftime to make a difference.  I'm looking for completely incoherent screaming and breaking things
Look out whiteboards
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:26:16 PM
Markus is 11 for 18, 73% of MU's points
Rest:  2 for 13

Rowsey is 1 for 6 and Sam 0 for 1.  One shot taken

X shooting 58%, but those threes have killed MU. 

Will X score 100? 

Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:28:32 PM
Or...will Xavier score 110?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: D'Lo Brown on January 24, 2018, 06:28:38 PM
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:15:51 PM
Wojo has not proven he knows how to teach defense

How does one teach Rowsey and Markus to play good defense? Just curious. You all seem to know a secret that Wojo doesn't know.

FYI: they each play 31 minutes per game, meaning quite often they are on the court at the same time.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:28:48 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 24, 2018, 06:22:44 PM
You seem extra confident in your stance. Would you care to wager a large sum of money on it?

Really?

Reaching the Sweet Sixteen this year?  Heck, yeah, I'll put money on it.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:29:31 PM
Quote from: chapman on January 24, 2018, 06:24:05 PM
If anyone was wondering about the layoff:

No other BE team has a nine day gap between games.  But five BE teams have eight day layoffs.

Only three teams plugged a hole with a non-conference game (Nova vs. UConn in between a six day BE break, Creighton vs. Bemidji State (D2) during a seven day BE break, and St. John's vs. Duke to fill one of the eight day gaps.


In other words, "it's not fair" or "should have put in a non-conference game" aren't really valid.  Just playing terrible ball.

The idea that it's hard to play a game after having more than a week off to rest and prepare is just dumb. Having 9 days off is a blessing.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:29:58 PM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 24, 2018, 06:24:01 PM
The frosh are looking like freshmen.

No, they're looking like not-terribly-good freshmen.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:31:27 PM
Quote from: yetipro on January 24, 2018, 06:28:38 PM
How does one teach Rowsey and Markus to play good defense? Just curious. You all seem to know a secret that Wojo doesn't know.

FYI: they each play 31 minutes per game, meaning quite often they are on the court at the same time.
They're far from our only defensive liabilities. And sorry but I'm not buying that we can't play D because we don't have guys who are capable of playing D
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Jockey on January 24, 2018, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:07:32 PM
Meh I don't think effort is the issue

Giving up 50+ at half. No defensive effort since opening tip.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:32:43 PM
On the bright side, my Valentine's Day shopping is DONE!
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: D'Lo Brown on January 24, 2018, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:31:27 PM
They're far from our only defensive liabilities. And sorry but I'm not buying that we can't play D because we don't have guys who are capable of playing D

So you do think that Markus and Rowsey are capable of playing good defense?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: yetipro on January 24, 2018, 06:33:03 PM
So you do think that Markus and Rowsey are capable of playing good defense?
Again they're not our only defensive liabilities. Do you think none of our players are capable of playing defense?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: yetipro on January 24, 2018, 06:28:38 PM
How does one teach Rowsey and Markus to play good defense? Just curious. You all seem to know a secret that Wojo doesn't know.

FYI: they each play 31 minutes per game, meaning quite often they are on the court at the same time.

They're short, not paralyzed. Maurice Acker was a tiny human being compared to essentially all other DI players but was still able to play respectable defense. Plus, it's not like we just struggle to guard 1's and 2's under Wojo; we struggle to guard literally every spot on the floor. We continue to give up an obscene number of points game after game and just pray that we knock down enough threes to compete.

Our current personnel makes defensive scheming harder, but Wojo is just bad at it, regardless of who he's got on the team. He's had games where he figures it out, but he's very clearly a bad defensive coach right now.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: fjm on January 24, 2018, 06:34:35 PM
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:32:43 PM
On the bright side, my Valentine's Day shopping is DONE!

Ooooh! What did you get the significant other!?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:35:36 PM
Ahh, who am I kidding? I'd never have the guts to buy something from a place like that!
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: yetipro on January 24, 2018, 06:33:03 PM
So you do think that Markus and Rowsey are capable of playing good defense?

Yes. There have been plenty of guys of similar size and athleticism play much better defense than these two. Some of that may be on the players, but some of that has to be on the coach as well.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:39:16 PM
So Macura is owed at least one flop foul call a game and he just received it
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:39:37 PM
Got bit of run, then another screen foul on a big man, three tonight.  Who teaches these guys? 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:40:10 PM
What is wrong with our bigs today? Fouls on screens, fouls off the ball on defense, missed assignments... they had all been playing so much better in the last few weeks, and now it's like they've all regressed back to where they were to start the year.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:40:25 PM
Howard finally gets a freaking call
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:40:53 PM
C'mon, someone defend Wojo's defensive coaching ability!
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:42:30 PM
And Rowsey is owed at least one inexplicably dumb pass a game and he just received (took) it
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 06:43:53 PM
Seriously Froling?!
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2018, 06:44:28 PM
Gonna need Rowsey to start resembling a high major player again
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: RideMyBuycks on January 24, 2018, 06:45:13 PM
I don't have DVR at the hotel so I can't rewind, but it looked like Rowsey gave wojo a hip check on the way to the bench after his turnover. Anyone notice if it was intentional?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
I'll just leave this link here. Seems fitting tonight.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5414736/swearing-research-happier-healthier-intelligent-honest/
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:40:53 PM
C'mon, someone defend Wojo's defensive coaching ability!

Its that hedge defense with big going out to foul line and not getting back.  Been burned many, many times tonight.  Kanter just did it three times in last two minutes. 

Oh well, Rowsey just yanked after that, wtf pass thing or something. 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
Whadda ya say... can we get to 10 down with 10 to go....and see what happens??
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 24, 2018, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on January 24, 2018, 06:45:13 PM
I don't have DVR at the hotel so I can't rewind, but it looked like Rowsey gave wojo a hip check on the way to the bench after his turnover. Anyone notice if it was intentional?
I saw it. Don't know if it was intentional.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 24, 2018, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:28:48 PM
Really?

Reaching the Sweet Sixteen this year?  Heck, yeah, I'll put money on it.

Oh. Shifting your goalposts now. Got it
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2018, 06:48:35 PM
Quote from: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:46:15 PM
Whadda ya say... can we get to 10 down with 10 to go....and see what happens??

Highly unlikely

That requires multiple stops in a row and someone other then Markus scoring
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: ATWizJr on January 24, 2018, 06:48:48 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:20:32 PM
It's laughable that anyone thinks a Wojo coached team can reach the Sweet Sixteen.

The guy cannot coach defense.
no. Cannot recruit defense.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 24, 2018, 06:48:48 PM
no. Cannot recruit defense.

You don't think this group of MU players would be better defensively with a different coach?

Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: D'Lo Brown on January 24, 2018, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: ATWizJr on January 24, 2018, 06:48:48 PM
no. Cannot recruit defense.

Yes.

Quote from: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:45:58 PM
Its that hedge defense with big going out to foul line and not getting back.  Been burned many, many times tonight.  Kanter just did it three times in last two minutes. 

Oh well, Rowsey just yanked after that, wtf pass thing or something. 

Yes.

Now we're getting somewhere.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Jables1604 on January 24, 2018, 06:54:27 PM
Who was the brain surgeon that tried to make the argument that Heldt was better than Fisher?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: chapman on January 24, 2018, 06:54:50 PM
Maybe tell the net guy nevermind, pack 'em up, ai'na?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:56:00 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
You don't think this group of MU players would be better defensively with a different coach?

They obviously would. The argument that our guys simply aren't good at defense is weak. We played great defense against X a few weeks ago with the same personnel.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
Seen some stuff against Wojo. He's got some things to work on for sure. But we will see the sweet 16 in the next two years.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 06:59:16 PM
Since there is a break, does MU start mixing up lineups?  More Theo, less Heldt.  More Cain, less Sacar?
Heck, even bring Rowsey off bench? 

Then back to game.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
Seen some stuff against Wojo. He's got some things to work on for sure. But we will see the sweet 16 in the next two years.

No way.

If he recruits some Top 5 guy, maybe, but he's not a good enough coach to take this talent level very far.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
Yep, this effort is officially embarrassing to the university
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: fjm on January 24, 2018, 07:02:25 PM
Out of a break and Howard shoots 3 straight shots. Without a single pass.

Gonna lose by 30. Easy. But coooome on you guys. Just try. TRY
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 07:02:47 PM
Turning this off. Inexcusably bad D
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Fred Garvin on January 24, 2018, 07:03:07 PM
Wouldn't throw it to Elliott when he was open to
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
Yep, this effort is officially embarrassing to the university

This isn't just MU's talent level not being up to Xavier.

There's an element of "not hustling" that's is creeping into MU's play.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: GGGG on January 24, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 06:56:00 PM
They obviously would. The argument that our guys simply aren't good at defense is weak. We played great defense against X a few weeks ago with the same personnel.

MU gave up 91 at home v X. Great defense?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 07:05:17 PM
A Macura missed dunk and a Macura airball are all I'm going to choose to remember about this debacle
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: D'Lo Brown on January 24, 2018, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: #bansultan on January 24, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
MU gave up 91 at home v X. Great defense?

Wojo coached well that game, that's why they did well
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: #bansultan on January 24, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
MU gave up 91 at home v X. Great defense?

Ok fair, great isn't the best way to describe it. But we were in the right position more often, and it seemed like we limited the number of easy shots taken. Plus the effort seemed more intense than most other games this year.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
Live and die by the 3.  Today we dead.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 07:08:39 PM
Wojo needs to gameplan to get Sam some looks. 2 shots is not going to do it.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: GGGG on January 24, 2018, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: yetipro on January 24, 2018, 07:06:41 PM
Wojo coached well that game, that's why they did well


I'm not saying Wojo isn't to blame but just look at what's doing on. MU is hardly hedging at all. They are exploiting simple pick and rolls and blowing by people.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:12:39 PM
This game does not define MU. If it was us, we'd be St. John's. We are not.

So Why are we so inconsistent. It's like we're the youngest team in the league... wait, we are.

It's a roller coaster this year folks
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: fjm on January 24, 2018, 07:12:56 PM
I'm a huge Wojo fan. And I have faith he will get us where we want to be albeit it may be next year or 19-20.

But today, has GOT to be the most disappointing game for Wojo's era.

I wasn't expecting a win. But I was expecting it to atleast be close. Lose by 5-10 points ish. Geesus.

Having said all that, this is easily a terrible 3 point shooting effort for us.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 07:14:27 PM
You can tell Froling is able, the shots just need to start falling.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 07:16:05 PM
I'm pretty sure Bluitt was facing the TV announcers at half court when he released that shot
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 24, 2018, 07:16:08 PM
I like Froling at the 4 way better than Froling at the 5.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: D'Lo Brown on January 24, 2018, 07:16:33 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 07:14:27 PM
You can tell Froling is able, the shots just need to start falling.

Hoping Wojo leaves him in the rest of the game, let him gain some confidence off of some more open looks in garbage time.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 24, 2018, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:12:39 PM
This game does not define MU. If it was us, we'd be St. John's. We are not.

So Why are we so inconsistent. It's like we're the youngest team in the league... wait, we are.

It's a roller coaster this year folks

Then what are the "ups" in this roller coaster?

Beating a barely top 25 Seton Hall? 

There's nothing else.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: 🏀 on January 24, 2018, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 07:08:39 PM
Wojo needs to gameplan to get Sam some looks. 2 shots is not going to do it.

Sam was probably the most flat footed MU player tonight.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:12:39 PM
This game does not define MU. If it was us, we'd be St. John's. We are not.

So Why are we so inconsistent. It's like we're the youngest team in the league... wait, we are.

It's a roller coaster this year folks

Yes and this will be last year for a long time that the "we are young, we are inexperienced excuse can be used".

Will not miss Bluitt, Macura, O'Mara and Kanter next year. 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Class71 on January 24, 2018, 07:21:17 PM
Wheels have fallen off and Wojo has no answer. Worst game in years. Blame it on Buzz.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:22:37 PM
Like how Theo is playing. Aggressive on D. Big man of the future if he can avoid 5 by end of any given game.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 07:22:43 PM
Screw it. Howard should just start chucking it from 30'
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: GoldenZebra on January 24, 2018, 07:23:21 PM
overall bad game. Hopefully they turn it around Sunday however what I saw tonight I dont think so.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 07:26:42 PM
Interesting.  Sam been on bench almost entire second half with Froling getting minutes. Not like Sam needs a rest after nine days.  His arm can't be tired, he has taken two shots.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 24, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:12:39 PM
This game does not define MU. If it was us, we'd be St. John's. We are not.

So Why are we so inconsistent. It's like we're the youngest team in the league... wait, we are.

It's a roller coaster this year folks

Xavier had a young and inexperienced macura and blueitt when  they were kicking our ass 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 24, 2018, 07:27:41 PM
Could Sam be sick?  We know Markus was sick last week, and I'm pretty sure they're roommates.  Pretty easy to pass the flu when you're sharing a sink
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:29:29 PM
2 in 1 game
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 24, 2018, 07:30:11 PM
Assuming we'll learn later tonight or tomorrow that sam is sick. Can't figure any other reason for his play.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 24, 2018, 07:30:56 PM
It's 81-65 right now.  We've only made 6 threes.  If we had made our average of 11, it would be 81-80.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 24, 2018, 07:14:27 PM
You can tell Froling is able, the shots just need to start falling.

For all the stats that get thrown around on this site, so many people just continue to ignore every shooting statistic for Harry. He has not proven himself to be a shooter. At all. His numbers are downright bad. There must be a huge difference between the way he shoots in practice and the way he shoots in games for him to not be getting yanked when he launches threes. But until he's able to shoot above 30%, I'll continue to say he should not be shooting from outside.

Where he has looked good on offense is putting the ball on the floor. He does a nice job beating bigs off the dribble and getting to the rim. That should be the way he looks to score when he gets the ball on the perimeter.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUEng92 on January 24, 2018, 07:33:33 PM
This defensive effort would be less embarrassing if all five guys stayed on the offensive side of the half court line
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: NickelDimer on January 24, 2018, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 24, 2018, 07:30:56 PM
It's 81-65 right now.  We've only made 6 threes.  If we had made our average of 11, it would be 81-80.
The math doesn't work that way
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2018, 07:33:41 PM
Major ass kickin', aina?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: muhoops1 on January 24, 2018, 07:35:05 PM
I should probably purchase Wed night tickets at MSG AGAIN.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 24, 2018, 07:30:56 PM
It's 81-65 right now.  We've only made 6 threes.  If we had made our average of 11, it would be 81-80.

It doesn't quite work like that. We obviously wanted to get to the rim in the first half, so we took fewer threes than normal (I'm assuming, haven't checked the stats). This wasn't just about having a cold shooting night.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on January 24, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
Xavier had a young and inexperienced macura and blueitt when  they were kicking our ass 3 years ago.

Ok I'll bite. Must be a troll post right? You must know the class of those guys and the results of our X games right...

Oops correction you said 3 yrs ago...sure. But I don't care. The fact stands




Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: willie warrior on January 24, 2018, 07:36:51 PM
Quote from: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
Seen some stuff against Wojo. He's got some things to work on for sure. But we will see the sweet 16 in the next two years.
Yes, the same old mantra, there is always the next two years---every year.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2018, 07:39:55 PM
Big tyme trap game. Musta bin lookin' ahead ta 'Nova, hey?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on January 24, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
Why can't we defend a layup?  Why can't we defend the rim?  Why are we a joke defensively?  We need better coaching defensively.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: cheese ball chaser on January 24, 2018, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 24, 2018, 07:30:56 PM
It's 81-65 right now.  We've only made 6 threes.  If we had made our average of 11, it would be 81-80.

The thing is, Xavier did an excellent job of running us off the 3 point line and making sure we didn't get any open looks
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: chapman on January 24, 2018, 07:43:20 PM
Some anti-troll on a bad night:

We lost 89-70.

Creighton's a pretty good team.  They lost there 92-70.



Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Nukem2 on January 24, 2018, 07:44:16 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2018, 07:39:55 PM
Big tyme trap game. Musta bin lookin' ahead ta 'Nova, hey?
Sorry ,buddy, but your schtick is old (literally). 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 24, 2018, 07:45:15 PM
Quote from: chapman on January 24, 2018, 07:43:20 PM
Some anti-troll on a bad night:

We lost 89-70.

Creighton's a pretty good team.  They lost there 92-70.

They scored 15 in the last 10 mins (approx) - the transitive property of losses does not apply
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 24, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Where was Sam in 2H? Hurt?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MattyWarrior on January 24, 2018, 07:46:53 PM
We came out flat and not ready to play D, that's on the coaches first and then the players for not being competitive
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: nyg on January 24, 2018, 07:48:11 PM
Quote from: skianth16 on January 24, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
For all the stats that get thrown around on this site, so many people just continue to ignore every shooting statistic for Harry. He has not proven himself to be a shooter. At all. His numbers are downright bad. There must be a huge difference between the way he shoots in practice and the way he shoots in games for him to not be getting yanked when he launches threes. But until he's able to shoot above 30%, I'll continue to say he should not be shooting from outside.

Where he has looked good on offense is putting the ball on the floor. He does a nice job beating bigs off the dribble and getting to the rim. That should be the way he looks to score when he gets the ball on the perimeter.

Harry actually had 7 points and 8 rebounds tonight, playing for Sam almost entire second half. 
You are right with his shot, but its been a long time since MU had a center who has a face up jump shot.  Maybe they start falling bit better, maybe not.  But a lot better than Heldt, who has been brutal. 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 24, 2018, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 24, 2018, 07:30:56 PM
It's 81-65 right now.  We've only made 6 threes.  If we had made our average of 11, it would be 81-80.
In a way. Made 3's would also make Xavier inbound the ball.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 24, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
Woof. Brutal game. Hard to watch. Reminds me of the beatdown we handed Seton Hall a few weeks ago. Coincidentally, Seton Hall is still on track to make the tournament and we're not a top 10 team.

Got our rear ends handed to us tonight, no ifs, ands, ors about it. Time to move and get ready for Nova.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: MUBigDance on January 24, 2018, 07:55:16 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on January 24, 2018, 07:36:51 PM
Yes, the same old mantra, there is always the next two years---every year.

Nope, I'm hoping on this year. Make the tourney and maybe win one. Every year stands by itself. I made my comment not to live in the future but say I think things will get better year to year.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2018, 07:55:25 PM
Had 9 daze ta get ready for X. How ya figurin' 2 daze is enof tyme ta smack down VU, hey?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Floorslapper on January 24, 2018, 08:19:02 PM
Yikes.  Rough game.  X played really well.  Sure wish we would have gone to a 3/4 court trap, falling back into a 2/3 zone for the entirety of the game as soon as it was evident Xavier was going to have their way with us. 

Xavier's guards are simply too physical and athletic.  Goodin is on an entirely different level than our guys. 

We will be better next year once Morrow is available.  Need Elliott and Cain to get in the weight room 2 hours a day all summer.  Disappointed with Sacar today.  May have to switch out him and Cain, and invest more minutes into Cain.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 24, 2018, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 24, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
Time to move and get ready for Nova.

Where would you suggest we move TO? (kidding, but when I saw that "on" was left out I couldn't resist)
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 24, 2018, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2018, 07:55:25 PM
Had 9 daze ta get ready for X. How ya figurin' 2 daze is enof tyme ta smack down VU, hey?

I don't really buy into the idea that 9 days off is an advantage or a disadvantage. These are Division 1 athletes, as long as they aren't playing in back to back days they should be ready to go. Tonight we played pretty close to our floor and Xavier played pretty close to their ceiling, the result is a good old fashioned butt whopping. If we play close to our ceiling and Nova plays their average or below average than we can win. Expecting a loss vs. Nova but it is a gift (an unfortunate one) that we get them in their first game without Mr. Booth. Hoping we play with something to prove and skin ourselves some Wildcats.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 24, 2018, 08:27:38 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 24, 2018, 08:23:25 PM
Where would you suggest we move TO? (kidding, but when I saw that "on" was left out I couldn't resist)

I chuckled. Though I hope they move the team back to Milwaukee in time for the game!
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Goose on January 24, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
That was ugly. Not expecting much better on Sunday. Xavier has horses and MU lacks horses at the moment.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: chapman on January 24, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 24, 2018, 07:45:15 PM
They scored 15 in the last 10 mins (approx) - the transitive property of losses does not apply

T'was 73-50 with 10 to go.  Against Creighton it was 73-48.  Pace wise they essentially played the same game twice.  Just sayin', good teams also occasionally get pummeled on the road against top 10 teams.  The sun still cam up in Omaha, it'll come up in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 25, 2018, 05:29:55 AM
Quote from: chapman on January 24, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
T'was 73-50 with 10 to go.  Against Creighton it was 73-48.  Pace wise they essentially played the same game twice.  Just sayin', good teams also occasionally get pummeled on the road against top 10 teams.  The sun still cam up in Omaha, it'll come up in Milwaukee.

Oh I agree with the point that getting pummeled happens.  I just disagreed that it is some sort of a good thing because someone else had a crappy game. 
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: Newsdreams on January 25, 2018, 02:14:25 PM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 24, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Where was Sam in 2H? Hurt?
Apparently hurt his hip. Haven't heard any update.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2018, 02:20:02 PM
Probably bee in fitted four a hip boot as wee type, hey?
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: tower912 on January 25, 2018, 02:23:53 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2018, 02:20:02 PM
Probably bee in fitted four a hip boot as wee type, hey?
For going through your posts?  He had better have two and they had better be full length.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 25, 2018, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: chapman on January 24, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
T'was 73-50 with 10 to go.  Against Creighton it was 73-48.  Pace wise they essentially played the same game twice.  Just sayin', good teams also occasionally get pummeled on the road against top 10 teams.  The sun still cam up in Omaha, it'll come up in Milwaukee.
Yeah, Creighton was never in that game. I took away the fact that Creighton was definitely not too 2, and unfortunately the gap is probably a bit further than I would've liked.
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: cheese ball chaser on January 25, 2018, 03:54:04 PM
Saw a retweet from Anonymous Eagle: "Marquette's 3 road losses are to teams that are 31-1 at home this season"
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: tower912 on January 25, 2018, 03:57:36 PM
That does not fit the 'we suck' narrative.     Please don't get all factsy and truthy.   
Title: Re: Xavier game thread
Post by: 79Warrior on January 25, 2018, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 24, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
Why can't we defend a layup?  Why can't we defend the rim?  Why are we a joke defensively?  We need better coaching defensively.

Some of our players are just not quick enough, period. Sam, Matt etc are slow. It is not a Wojo coaching issue per se but more of a overall lack of quickness on this team.
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