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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mug644 on January 08, 2018, 01:02:57 PM
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Seton Hall matched the biggest one-week jump in the AP Top 25 in its history. Well, that'll give them great big bloated heads that will surely make them vulnerable when they arrive in Milwaukee.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22003986/villanova-wildcats-back-no-1-spot-reshuffled-ap-men-basketball-poll (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22003986/villanova-wildcats-back-no-1-spot-reshuffled-ap-men-basketball-poll)
We got this.
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Seton Hall is a terrible matchup for MU, it may not be pretty tomorrow.
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Seton Hall is a terrible matchup for MU, it may not be pretty tomorrow.
Could it also be that MU is a terrible matchup for SHU? How is their perimeter defense?
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Well, Seton Hall has big guards, size everywhere, experience, a double/double big man in Delgado. Perfect match up for MU.
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#1 Villanova
#5 (tie) Purdue
#5 (tie) Wichita State
#10 Xavier
#13 Seton Hall
By Wednesday, Marquette will have played half of the current top 6, 4 of the current top 10, and 5 of the current top 13 teams in the country.
Anyone wondering why J5 and I keep saying that 9-9 Big East gets Marquette in...dis is a big reason why. Really tough schedule this season.
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Seton Hall is a terrible matchup for MU, it may not be pretty tomorrow.
Oh, well there is that. But we've got Markus who beat out Delgado for BEast Player of the Week! We got this. Don't we?
(Seriously, I could see it being a blowout for Seton Hall, but I'm expecting a tight game (since it is at the Bradley Center). I want to believe we got this, but I'm not that confident.)
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Seton Hall has a big four, Carrington, Delgado, Powell, and Rodriguez. The rest of their team is their for defense/warm bodying. In their win against St. John's, all players outside of the big four combined for 0 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, and 1 block.
Shut down one of the four and you have a chance. Butler did a good job bothering Myles Powell into a 1/4 night and they only lost by three (with Delgado and Carrington having monster nights). Shut down two and you will win.
I don't see anything about our defense that leads me to believe that we can shut down two of their big four. But I think we can shut down one of them and with our offense that could be enough.
I'm very glad Froling is eligible. We will need all the fouls we can get in this one.
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Seton Hall has a big four, Carrington, Delgado, Powell, and Rodriguez. The rest of their team is their for defense/warm bodying. In their win against St. John's, all players outside of the big four combined for 0 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, and 1 block.
Shut down one of the four and you have a chance. Butler did a good job bothering Myles Powell into a 1/4 night and they only lost by three (with Delgado and Carrington having monster nights). Shut down two and you will win.
I don't see anything about our defense that leads me to believe that we can shut down two of their big four. But I think we can shut down one of them and with our offense that could be enough.
I'm very glad Froling is eligible. We will need all the fouls we can get in this one.
This. Our best chance is getting Delgado and one of Carrington/Rodriguez is foul trouble. They're going to eat us alive in the paint.
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This. Our best chance is getting Delgado and one of Carrington/Rodriguez is foul trouble. They're going to eat us alive in the paint.
Was also thinking of a no-layups rule for the PF/C's. Their bigs suck at FTs (I know.. FTs no matter) but if they're hitting 50% from the line vs. a sure-fire 2 points, use all the big man fouls we got!
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I'm very glad Froling is eligible. We will need all the fouls we can get in this one.
Maybe he give us more than 5 Fouls in this game and starts hitting his shots.
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Was also thinking of a no-layups rule for the PF/C's. Their bigs suck at FTs (I know.. FTs no matter) but if they're hitting 50% from the line vs. a sure-fire 2 points, use all the big man fouls we got!
At least if you're gonna foul, foul hard. Make it worth it.
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Delgado might dominate our bigs..
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At least if you're gonna foul, foul hard. Make it worth it.
Agreed!
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No way we should lose to the likes of Seton Hall....especially not on our home court.
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No way we should lose to the likes of Seton Hall....especially not on our home court.
I know you look down on Seton Hall, but they are good this season. Don't worry you only have to endure it for one more season. They should be near the bottom next year with Delgado, Rodriguez, Carrington, and Sanogo all graduating.
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Delgado will dominate our bigs..
Fixed
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Could it also be that MU is a terrible matchup for SHU? How is their perimeter defense?
Yes, I supposed the vice versa is somewhat true, SHU does not have good perimeter defense, but then again, MUs defense is bad, particularly in the paint.
KenPom doesnt think its too much of a stretch for a MU victory, so hopefully they can win.
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#1 Villanova
#5 (tie) Purdue
#5 (tie) Wichita State
#10 Xavier
#13 Seton Hall
By Wednesday, Marquette will have played half of the current top 6, 4 of the current top 10, and 5 of the current top 13 teams in the country.
Anyone wondering why J5 and I keep saying that 9-9 Big East gets Marquette in...dis is a big reason why. Really tough schedule this season.
According to ESPN our RPI went up 7 spots just by losing to Nova
I think we of yesterday we were at 36 with a SOS of 15.
Snag a couple big wins and we are just fine
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This. Our best chance is getting Delgado and one of Carrington/Rodriguez is foul trouble. They're going to eat us alive in the paint.
With all the fouls we generally rack up. I don't see it improving tonight. Pretty sure last year at home was a foul fest too.
Luckily, unlike Xavier they are not good at the line
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SHU opens as a 1-point favorite, about what I was expecting (SHU -2). I like us tomorrow, especially since it's an 8:00 tip and an additional couple thousand people should be able to make it. Would be a HUGE win on all accounts.
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SHU opens as a 1-point favorite, about what I was expecting (SHU -2). I like us tomorrow, especially since it's an 8:00 tip and an additional couple thousand people should be able to make it. Would be a HUGE win on all accounts.
Love 8pm tips.
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While I understand the terrible match-up view point, I don't really buy in. There were a terrible match-up for us last year and we went 1-2 against them last year, and if we were able to rebound off of a missed FT it would've been 2-1. Both teams return almost everyone. I expect a competitive game.
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With all the fouls we generally rack up. I don't see it improving tonight. Pretty sure last year at home was a foul fest too.
Luckily, unlike Xavier they are not good at the line
I'm not worried at all about foul trouble tonight.
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While I understand the terrible match-up view point, I don't really buy in. There were a terrible match-up for us last year and we went 1-2 against them last year, and if we were able to rebound off of a missed FT it would've been 2-1. Both teams return almost everyone. I expect a competitive game.
Marquette lost quite a bit to graduation and transfer..
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Marquette lost quite a bit to graduation and transfer..
Meh, I guess that's true, but the MU roster structure is basically the same as it was last year from a match-up perspective. It's not like Luke was some sort of force that was able to contain Delgado.
Also -- just looked at the boxscore from the loss @ Seton Hall last year. Cheatham played 29 min, 0-5 fg, 2 reb, 2 asst, 0 pts. Woof.
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Meh, I guess that's true, but the MU roster structure is basically the same as it was last year from a match-up perspective. It's not like Luke was some sort of force that was able to contain Delgado.
Also -- just looked at the boxscore from the loss @ Seton Hall last year. Cheatham played 29 min, 0-5 fg, 2 reb, 2 asst, 0 pts. Woof.
Did you see his box in the win against Seton Hall?
17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 turnover. Woof (good woof)
Luke was big offensively in both games and in the game we won somehow badgered Delgado into a bad shooting night. He went 3/12 from the floor....but also grabbed 13 offensive boards. I think at least 7 of those were him rebounding his own miss.
Markus had big games in both regular season matchups. Let's hope he's feeling it again.
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Even before the season, I felt that SHU was out worst matchup and would likely smoke us.
It would be a very sweet win.
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Welp.
Theo just got called for a foul on Delgado during tonight's team walkthrough.
Let's hope Heldt can make it through warmups tomorrow without getting one.
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Did you see his box in the win against Seton Hall?
17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 turnover. Woof (good woof)
Luke was big offensively in both games and in the game we won somehow badgered Delgado into a bad shooting night. He went 3/12 from the floor....but also grabbed 13 offensive boards. I think at least 7 of those were him rebounding his own miss.
Markus had big games in both regular season matchups. Let's hope he's feeling it again.
That wasn't meant to be a commentary on Hannif as a whole, just noticed the ugly stat line in the loss. I liked Hannif and thought he was somewhat of a "glue guy".
My whole point here, was that they were also a terrible match-up for us last year, and we played 3 competitive games against the Hall. I don't see a reason why we wouldn't be competitive against them this year.
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No way we should lose to the likes of Seton Hall....especially not on our home court.
"The likes of Seton Hall" is ranked 13th nationally.
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"The likes of Seton Hall" is ranked 13th nationally.
I'd jump for unnatural carnal knowledgeing joy if we get to their level in the next few years. "The likes of Seton Hall" are currently 3-0 in conference.
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"The likes of Seton Hall" is ranked 13th nationally.
You are responding to the poster who last season started a thread titled "fire wojo." In the third year of his contract...an NCAA tournament year for us. Don't waste your time.
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I'm not worried at all about foul trouble tonight.
>: ;D
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Did you see his box in the win against Seton Hall?
17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 turnover. Woof (good woof)
Luke was big offensively in both games and in the game we won somehow badgered Delgado into a bad shooting night. He went 3/12 from the floor....but also grabbed 13 offensive boards. I think at least 7 of those were him rebounding his own miss.
Markus had big games in both regular season matchups. Let's hope he's feeling it again.
Perhaps we can get that from Sacar's and Jamil's combined stats.
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Better be ready to scratch and claw tomorrow - limit turnovers , try to force some and work for open shots and we have a good chance - may need an X factor like Cain or Harry to pull it out tho
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I'd jump for unnatural carnal knowledgeing joy if we get to their level in the next few years. "The likes of Seton Hall" are currently 3-0 in conference.
I do not believe you'll be saying this next season.
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Seton Hall will be a nice resume win for us. Having 15 fouls against Del Gado is a big plus for us. Rowsey is going to have a big game.
On our way to 3rd in the Big East and 2nd week of tournament .
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"The likes of Seton Hall" is ranked 13th nationally.
They won't be when we're finished with them.
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You are responding to the poster who last season started a thread titled "fire wojo." In the third year of his contract...an NCAA tournament year for us. Don't waste your time.
Cool. You remember. Then you should also remember I took it back because I was wrong. I was just mad at all the recent losses to Seton Hall. Their fans are jerks who threaten to beat up teenage girls holding Marquette signs.
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I know Rutgers has improved this season (they're 11-6) but they're still not a "good" team. They lost to Stony Brook and Hartford, among others.
Yet they beat Seton Hall ... even though Delgado pulled down 21 rebs.
SH shot 41% from the field, 30% from 3 and 55% on FT and committed 18 TO to 8 by Rutgers.
Rutgers won even though they shot only 34%, including 25% from 3, largely because they matched SH's rebounding.
We probably won't match that rebounding ... OK, no probably about it ... but we also probably will shoot a little better than 25% from 3.
I know that game has nothing to do with ours; just saying SH is hardly invincible. They lost to Rhode Island, too.
We got this!
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#1 Villanova
#5 (tie) Purdue
#5 (tie) Wichita State
#10 Xavier
#13 Seton Hall
By Wednesday, Marquette will have played half of the current top 6, 4 of the current top 10, and 5 of the current top 13 teams in the country.
Anyone wondering why J5 and I keep saying that 9-9 Big East gets Marquette in...dis is a big reason why. Really tough schedule this season.
SoS is good and will help RPI, but at the end of the day, if we got 0-fer against all those top teams, it's not going to impress anyone on the committee. It's always nice to have some top 10 games in the schedule, but I've got to think wins against a top 50 team help more than a loss to a top 10, especially if any of those wins can come on the road.
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SoS is good and will help RPI, but at the end of the day, if we got 0-fer against all those top teams, it's not going to impress anyone on the committee. It's always nice to have some top 10 games in the schedule, but I've got to think wins against a top 50 team help more than a loss to a top 10, especially if any of those wins can come on the road.
Meh.
It depends
Lose to the elite that help boost our RPI and SOS
And then collect wins against the likes of fellow bubble teams LSU, Vermont, Providence etc.. and we'd be tough to leave out.
So basically if we still finish strong against the likes of Butler, Creighton and Providence we are probably alright anyways.
But yeah, wouldn't be ideal to go 0-6 vs the top 3.
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Out of all the big east ranked teams, I think Seton Hall is the most likely to be won.
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Cool. You remember. Then you should also remember I took it back because I was wrong. I was just mad at all the recent losses to Seton Hall. Their fans are jerks who threaten to beat up teenage girls holding Marquette signs.
Can't agree more, I live in NJ, feel reluctant to wear MU signage at SH, but I do.
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Seton Hall will be a nice resume win for us. Having 15 fouls against Del Gado is a big plus for us. Rowsey is going to have a big game.
On our way to 3rd in the Big East and 2nd week of tournament .
We have more than 15 fouls to give, just let's make them count.
Oh, and let's get off to a good start this time. Coach is right, at V we were on the ropes after the first 2 min.. Start strong from the opening bell, finish strong. At V we won the second half, now lets win the first 5 min. of the game.
I expect the learning curve, the real learning curve technology not the buzz word, will kick in this week.
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Meh.
It depends
Lose to the elite that help boost our RPI and SOS
And then collect wins against the likes of fellow bubble teams LSU, Vermont, Providence etc.. and we'd be tough to leave out.
So basically if we still finish strong against the likes of Butler, Creighton and Providence we are probably alright anyways.
But yeah, wouldn't be ideal to go 0-6 vs the top 3.
But the big question is:
How much will you give each of us if MU beats SH tonight?!?!?
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Perhaps we can get that from Sacar's and Jamil's combined stats.
Would be huge if Jamil plays for us tonight
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Since Jamil just signed with the Lakers, lets up JAMAL steps up tonight.
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SoS is good and will help RPI, but at the end of the day, if we got 0-fer against all those top teams, it's not going to impress anyone on the committee. It's always nice to have some top 10 games in the schedule, but I've got to think wins against a top 50 team help more than a loss to a top 10, especially if any of those wins can come on the road.
The last 10 or so teams in the field are judged against other teams in that realm. Most of those teams will have bad losses, some horrific. A few may have a top 10 win, but most won't. MU can go 0-6 against Nova, X and SH and still make the tournament.
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Seton Hall will be a nice resume win for us. Having 15 fouls against Del Gado is a big plus for us. Rowsey is going to have a big game.
On our way to 3rd in the Big East and 2nd week of tournament .
This really does feel like a game that could show how the season is going to go. Win this and the top 3 thing may be realistic. Lose it and it probably isn't.
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I'd jump for unnatural carnal knowledgeing joy if we get to their level in the next few years. "The likes of Seton Hall" are currently 3-0 in conference.
What level is that?
Hall won the Big East Tournament two years ago which is a dynamite accomplishment. Outside of that, they've had a dramatically less accomplished last decade then Marquette.
You're aiming to reach a program's level that won three, six, and six games in consecutive seasons of Big East play within the last five years.
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What level is that?
Hall won the Big East Tournament two years ago which is a dynamite accomplishment. Outside of that, they've had a dramatically less accomplished last decade then Marquette.
You're aiming to reach a program's level that won three, six, and six games in consecutive seasons of Big East play within the last five years.
Exactly. Three years ago, people were openly speculating whether or not Kevin Willard would keep his job. Prior to two years ago, he coached for five years without an NCAA tournament. And the last two years he's been in the tournament but hasn't won a game.
Yeah they have a good team this year. But can it be sustained a la Xavier? Highly doubtful IMO.
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Maybe he give us more than 5 Fouls in this game and starts hitting his shots.
It would be well worth having Harry out there if he pulls Delgado away from the paint on defense, and gives us a better shot at at scoring at the rim and offensive rebounds. I have a feeling that Willard wouldn't let that happen though.
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It would be well worth having Harry out there if he pulls Delgado away from the paint on defense, and gives us a better shot at at scoring at the rim and offensive rebounds. I have a feeling that Willard wouldn't let that happen though.
Also, Harry is by far our best rebounder in the limitetd sample size. We'll need that.
And I agree, I think teams are going to start giving him the outside shot. He's gonna have to start making them pay.
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Also, Harry is by far our best rebounder in the limitetd sample size. We'll need that.
And I agree, I think teams are going to start giving him the outside shot. He's gonna have to start making them pay.
Harry must be making these in practice and scrimmages or Wojo wouldn?t be giving him the green light. Hopefully, he can shake the rust off soon or Woj is going to have to change the color of his light.
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It would be well worth having Harry out there if he pulls Delgado away from the paint on defense, and gives us a better shot at at scoring at the rim and offensive rebounds. I have a feeling that Willard wouldn't let that happen though.
What makes you think Harry is going to pull any big man, let alone a very good big man, outside when he's in the game? Harry's offensive game is much better near the paint than on the perimeter. I don't think any coach watching our game tape would assume Harry is a threat from outside. The guy has made a single 3 all season, and while his handles aren't bad for a big, he's not really a threat to drive past a defender to score.
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But the big question is:
How much will you give each of us if MU beats SH tonight?!?!?
Nothing for tonight. This bad boy is winnable.
I did however throw down on SHU since the line is a pick em.
Lucky for us, when I put down big bets against MU these are the games we usually win.
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What level is that?
Hall won the Big East Tournament two years ago which is a dynamite accomplishment. Outside of that, they've had a dramatically less accomplished last decade then Marquette.
You're aiming to reach a program's level that won three, six, and six games in consecutive seasons of Big East play within the last five years.
I completely agree that I think MU's long-term trajectory is much better than SH's. However, I would charitably assume that by "that level" the poster means "ranked top 15".
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Let?s keep in mind that Heldt did as well as you could hope for defending Delgado in the regular season last year. Heldt isn?t overly talented, but he?s pretty smart and works really hard. Make Delgado work for his boards and points and hope they aren?t shooting well while we have a good night shooting.
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I'm more concerned about containing Powell and Carrington from distance and Desi inside the arc than I am about SHU's size... get a lead, run 2 of Harry, Theo and Matt as much as possible, clog up their interior game, try to contest 3PA's and hope your shots keep falling on the other end.
Hell, anytime two of Powell, Carrington or Desi sits down, I might run a triangle-and-2 with our trio of bigs (or with Sam). Even if only one sits at a time, I'd still consider mixing it in occasionally for a change of pace / confusion factor.
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What level is that?
Hall won the Big East Tournament two years ago which is a dynamite accomplishment. Outside of that, they've had a dramatically less accomplished last decade then Marquette.
You're aiming to reach a program's level that won three, six, and six games in consecutive seasons of Big East play within the last five years.
I meant top 15 this year, not what they've done in prior years
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I meant top 15 this year, not what they've done in prior years
That's cool. I prefer actual achievements to media inflated rankings but each fan has their own standard.
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So about that Seton Hall blowout because they are such a bad matchup... ;)
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So about that Seton Hall blowout because they are such a bad matchup... ;)
One scenario I didn't even consider as a possibility is MU by 20. Wow.
We got this!
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So about that Seton Hall blowout because they are such a bad matchup... ;)
Yeah yeah, Im eating crow. Its amazing to see what this MU team can do just when you think they wont be able to do it. Team rebounded (literally) and played some pretty decent defense for once in what seems like a long while.
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So about that Seton Hall blowout because they are such a bad matchup... ;)
This is what happens when Wojo reads Scoop.
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This is what happens when Wojo reads Scoop.
Kinda figured the thing about Wojo showing them the Bama QBs hugging was just a smokescreen for what really happened.
"Guys, Scoop says we're going to get blown out tonight. Well I say let's win the whole damn thing!!!"