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Title: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:08:24 PM
1.   Apparently, that 'compete, compete, compete' huddle worked.   
2.  Did you see the future tonight?    Do you have hope?
3.   Rowsey was bad.   Oops.   Hopefully, his ankle isn't too bad.     He will be better. 
4.  Harry, you made a shot.   It does not mean shoot every time.  Ah, well.  Love the fearlessness.
5.  Markus.... Big East player of the week. 
6.  MU covered.    And made Nova work. 
7.  Loved the line up at the end.   
8.  No shame in this game.  Nova is #3 in the country.  (though I am sure Lenny will say they are overrated)   MU showed up, worked their asses off, the freshmen competed at a high level and gave Nova a hell of a game despite not getting anything from Rowsey.   The team played without fear in the second half.    I cannot ask for more. 
9.  I am optimistic for the future. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2018, 09:10:08 PM
Start the underclassmen next game.  Great effort for the small ball line up.

100 points given up.  Wow
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: DJO's Jaw on January 06, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
Really encouraged how we played in the second half. The defense felt like much less of a revolving door with only one player under 6 feet.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: chapman on January 06, 2018, 09:10:33 PM
That was the hardest game on our schedule.  We hung with them with lineups of two freshmen and three sophomores.  It was a two possession game with 20 seconds left.  I declare a moral victory.

Greg Elliott looked like a Big East guard if I ever saw one.

Also, good officiating crew.  It was refreshing to see a game called well. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
As for #3, that was an ego injury all the way. We need Rowsey to show up every night. That will be the difference between an NCAA Tournament or not.

Other than that, I'm encouraged. We competed hard. I'm convinced Nova is the best team in the country.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2018, 09:10:08 PM
Start the underclassmen next game.  Great effort for the small ball line up.

100 points given up.  Wow

So you should have taken the 'over'.     Nova's offense versus MU's defense with lots of fouls in the last minute.   Meh.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 06, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
#9 - I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: cheese ball chaser on January 06, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
Kept it close in the end, I'll take it
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 06, 2018, 09:13:33 PM
Would like to see Rowseys +/- for that game.  Make the move of sacar or elliot onto Brunson earlier and we may have won.  Coaches make mistakes and Wojo ever thinking Rowsey could guard him was a big one. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:14:43 PM
It's a shame Rowsey had a sh*tty game but the team played its ass off. Markus is ridiculous.

I just really like this team even though we'll probably be on the bubble.

Tough one on Tuesday that we need. Hopefully we can manage a decent crowd on a Tuesday in early January. The casual fan probably doesn't realize how good Seton Hall is and the students aren't back.

Future looks really good.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
If Froling was as talented as some made him out to be, MU would be in decent shape.

Instead, the guy looks like he would struggle to get minutes at UWM.

He gives MU nothing other than another body to use up fouls.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 06, 2018, 09:13:33 PM
Would like to see Rowseys +/- for that game.  Make the move of sacar or elliot onto Brunson earlier and we may have won.  Coaches make mistakes and Wojo ever thinking Rowsey could guard him was a big one.
He has to guard somebody.   When isn't it a mismatch when Rowsey guards someone?   Brunson, Bridges, DiVincenso, Cartwright.    Do the math.   And that is one of, but not the only, reason for MU's defensive deficiencies. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
If Froling was as talented as some made him out to be, MU would be in decent shape.

Instead, the guy looks like he would struggle to get minutes at UWM.

He gives MU nothing other than another body to use up fouls.

My God do you suck.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Class71 on January 06, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
Great D from the FROSH. Howard is the real deal scoring at will against a superior defense. 2nd half was the best played D this year. The potential is clearly there.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 06, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
Sacar looking good today.
Brunson is real good.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: naginiF on January 06, 2018, 09:17:18 PM
10.  Who was that AndyReid $ss and what is his Scoop name?  i figured out the game chat ignore function way too late in the game.

Agree on all points tower - we showed a lot of fight and flashes that show what the next couple of years will be like.  Infuriating D but enough to keep it interesting.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
If Froling was as talented as some made him out to be, MU would be in decent shape.

Instead, the guy looks like he would struggle to get minutes at UWM.

He gives MU nothing other than another body to use up fouls.

Rebounds very well and is willing to hit somebody running down the lane unlike anybody else on this team.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:17:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 06, 2018, 09:13:33 PM
Would like to see Rowseys +/- for that game.  Make the move of sacar or elliot onto Brunson earlier and we may have won.  Coaches make mistakes and Wojo ever thinking Rowsey could guard him was a big one.

It is absolutely not that simple.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2018, 09:18:45 PM
Greg Elliot played very well. He is my favorite player on the team.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: nyg on January 06, 2018, 09:19:34 PM
If Elliott gains any point guard skills, he will be awesome.  Fantastic defense skills, long arms. Best game of year.

Was imagining next year when lineup was Howard, Elliott, Hauser, Cain and Froling.  With Morrow, nice. 

Need something from center spot.  Heldt has 8 points (6 of which in Prov) and 14 fouls in four BE games.

Bilas prediction of Harry being, well, a difference maker.   

Needed all three of Howard, Hauser and Rowsey, but Rowsey didn't have it tonight

Like Seton Hall losing everyone, Nova will lose Bridges and Brunson.  Two outstanding players. 

Thank goodness Markus is only 5ft 11.  If he was 6ft 3, he be gone next year.  Yes, he took 27 shots, but just wow......

Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: chapman on January 06, 2018, 09:10:33 PM
That was the hardest game on our schedule.  We hung with them with lineups of two freshmen and three sophomores.  It was a two possession game with 20 seconds left.  I declare a moral victory.

Greg Elliott looked like a Big East guard if I ever saw one.

Also, good officiating crew.  It was refreshing to see a game called well.

Completely agree about the officiating compared to the dumpster fire we're usually subjected to.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 06, 2018, 09:21:02 PM
Said it a few times recently

Next 2 years we are going to be very very good
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Goose on January 06, 2018, 09:21:52 PM
Markus Howard is very close to becoming must see TV for me. IMO, we were never in the game and 'Nova went through the motions, but I watched every second to see what Howard would do.

Howard is a joy to watch and scoring at historic clip. He reminds me of Chris Jackson, because his ability to score in bunches like few have done. In addition, he made route tonight ultimately look respectable.

Three weeks ago I would have said zero chance he leaves early. If he continues anywhere near this clip, he very possibly could be playing for money next year.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 06, 2018, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
If Froling was as talented as some made him out to be, MU would be in decent shape.

Instead, the guy looks like he would struggle to get minutes at UWM.

He gives MU nothing other than another body to use up fouls.
Sad little troll.  How'd the UW-Rutgers game go?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 06, 2018, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: nyg on January 06, 2018, 09:19:34 PM
If Elliott gains any point guard skills, he will be awesome.  Fantastic defense skills, long arms. Best game of year.

Was imagining next year when lineup was Howard, Elliott, Hauser, Cain and Froling.  With Morrow, nice. 

Need something from center spot.  Heldt has 8 points (6 of which in Prov) and 14 fouls in four BE games.

Bilas prediction of Harry being, well, a difference maker.   

Needed all three of Howard, Hauser and Rowsey, but Rowsey didn't have it tonight

Like Seton Hall losing everyone, Nova will lose Bridges and Brunson.  Two outstanding players. 

Thank goodness Markus is only 5ft 11.  If he was 6ft 3, he be gone next year.  Yes, he took 27 shots, but just wow......

A few of the shots were desperation chucks the last couple when it was over

He was very efficient for most of the game as well

He's crazy
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: GGGG on January 06, 2018, 09:24:03 PM
I thought Markus ran the point real well today.  Had a couple dumb turnovers late, but he distributed it well.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
Completely agree about the officiating compared to the dumpster fire we're usually subjected to.

More whining about the refs.

The inferiority complex that some have where MU is always the victim of the big bad refs doesn't make any sense. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 06, 2018, 09:24:46 PM
Tower, excellent job on the thread title. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
If Froling was as talented as some made him out to be, MU would be in decent shape.

Instead, the guy looks like he would struggle to get minutes at UWM.

He gives MU nothing other than another body to use up fouls.
A little more than that.   Though, 5 fouls is important when Heldt and Theo are both in foul trouble.     14 games to go.   I am calling it right now.   By the end of February, he is getting the most minutes of the 3 bigs.   
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:24:27 PM
More whining about the refs.

The inferiority complex that some have where MU is always the victim of the big bad refs doesn't make any sense.

Who is whining about the refs?  I was complimenting their performance tonight.

You're a real stable genius.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: NotAnAlum on January 06, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
The boys played well in the second half.  There was actually some defense out there.  That's all I ask against the #3 team on their floor, that we look like we belong in the same league and tonight at least in the second half we looked like we did.  Hopefully the guys can use how they played tonight to beat SH
Tuesday in a game they actually have a shot at.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:27:14 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:24:27 PM
More whining about the refs.

The inferiority complex that some have where MU is always the victim of the big bad refs doesn't make any sense.
Troll-boy, go watch Davison flop some more.    They were expressly and clearly NOT complaining about the refs.    Trolling interferes with reading comprehension. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Goose on January 06, 2018, 09:21:52 PM
Markus Howard is very close to becoming must see TV for me. IMO, we were never in the game and 'Nova went through the motions, but I watched every second to see what Howard would do.

Howard is a joy to watch and scoring at historic clip. He reminds me of Chris Jackson, because his ability to score in bunches like few have done. In addition, he made route tonight ultimately look respectable.

Three weeks ago I would have said zero chance he leaves early. If he continues anywhere near this clip, he very possibly could be playing for money next year.

I think he's here all 4.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: 1SE on January 06, 2018, 09:28:44 PM
Liked the intensity of the press at the end but why couldn't we bring (that intensity) when we slapped it on earlier in the half.

Freshmen looked great - when/if Theo finds his range on that jump hook he'll be the center we need (and he had it a few games ago for one or two games!)

1-3-1 is a mess. I like the idea of trying to change it up, but not if we execute at a JV level.

Rowsey. Ugh. I'm not sure he's not going to lose us more games than he wins heading out. He was totally playing "me ball" tonight. One of his drives early in the first half and Markus was standing wide open in the corner waving at him. Instead he forced it up against 3 trees.  If those two could play off one another (and get Sam the ball a bit more) we would be dancing.

Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: DJO's Jaw on January 06, 2018, 09:30:27 PM
I'm gonna need to see a lot of improvement before I stop cringing every time Harry takes a 3. Sacar and Elliot were both excellent tonight though. Hopefully we can bounce back and get a win at home on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 06, 2018, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: naginiF on January 06, 2018, 09:17:18 PM
10.  Who was that AndyReid $ss and what is his Scoop name?  i figured out the game chat ignore function way too late in the game.

Agree on all points tower - we showed a lot of fight and flashes that show what the next couple of years will be like.  Infuriating D but enough to keep it interesting.

How did you do the ignore???
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 06, 2018, 09:35:21 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:16:40 PM
He has to guard somebody.   When isn't it a mismatch when Rowsey guards someone?   Brunson, Bridges, DiVincenso, Cartwright.    Do the math.   And that is one of, but not the only, reason for MU's defensive deficiencies.

Id prefer to have him not guard the primary ball handler ,  brunson got to the block/charge arc at will
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 06, 2018, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:15:34 PMii
If Froling was as talented as some made him out to be, MU would be in decent shape.

Instead, the guy looks like he would struggle to get minutes at UWM.

He gives MU nothing other than another body to use up fouls.

You're a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:38:01 PM
Pretty excited to see what Cain and Elliott can do with 10-15 more lbs of muscle next season.

I've never seen Joey play. Anyone with knowledge have an idea of realistic expectations for him next season?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 06, 2018, 09:35:21 PM
Id prefer to have him not guard the primary ball handler ,  brunson got to the blaick/charge arc at will

So, you want Markus in foul trouble.    Or, Rowsey and Markus guarding 6'6 wings while Sacar starts on the ball.    Like when Rowsey got backed down by Jackson in the Providence game or was guarding Bridges today.      I agree that Rowsey's defense is bad.   But moving him off the ball creates other match up nightmares. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:38:01 PM
Pretty excited to see what Cain and Elliott can do with 10-15 more lbs of muscle next season.

I've never seen Joey play. Anyone with knowledge have an idea of realistic expectations for him next season?

Sam but less shooting from 3 and more ability to score on the block with the back to the basket.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:40:24 PM
Sam but less shooting from 3 and more ability to score on the block with the back to the basket.

Thanks. So would you expect a rotation guy playing 15-20 minutes or is there upside for more?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 06, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
Good effort. Greg, Sacar and Markus showed up. Still think Sam needs to be more aggressive, but was rock solid as usual. We hung in there. Down 7 with 6 or so left and Sam has a wide open 3 hit front rim. Hit that and things would have gotten real interesting.

I was entertained.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:42:38 PM
Thanks. So would you expect a rotation guy playing 15-20 minutes or is there upside for more?

I would think at least 20, but there is a lot of depth there. He's just another guy that is hard to take off the court. Even if he isn't scoring a lot, he does everything right.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: GGGG on January 06, 2018, 09:46:00 PM
Howard also had 8 assists tonight on top of his 37 points.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
I think he's here all 4.

And he still won't be able to drink legally.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: naginiF on January 06, 2018, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 06, 2018, 09:32:18 PM
How did you do the ignore???
click on their name in the scroll on the right of the thread and it gives you options including 'ignore'.  I found it on a whim by seeing if i could PM him to extend my $1,000 bet to him. 

I honestly don't get the mentality of someone who goes to another fans forum and relentlessly posts.  As someone said in the game thread, i've NEVER been that lacking of something to do......or that depraved to find pleasure in the action.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:26:02 PM
Who is whining about the refs?  I was complimenting their performance tonight.

You're a real stable genius.

While you were whining about the "dumpster fire" from previous  games.

The refs don't cost MU games.  Their shitty defense does.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:50:26 PM
There's no reason to bring up the refs at all.  They don't target MU.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 06, 2018, 09:50:33 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 06, 2018, 09:52:37 PM
Quote from: naginiF on January 06, 2018, 09:48:41 PM
click on their name in the scroll on the right of the thread and it gives you options including 'ignore'.  I found it on a whim by seeing if i could PM him to extend my $1,000 bet to him. 

I honestly don't get the mentality of someone who goes to another fans forum and relentlessly posts.  As someone said in the game thread, i've NEVER been that lacking of something to do......or that depraved to find pleasure in the action.

Thanks
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Dish on January 06, 2018, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:28:04 PM
I think he's here all 4.

Agreed, I love Howard, but from a professional level, he's an undersized 1 who isn't good defensively. He'll make plenty of coin professionally overseas in a few years, maybe get an NBA look, but not after his sophomore year, no way.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: connie on January 06, 2018, 09:54:53 PM
There were points in the first half where we looked outclassed.  Happy they pulled it together and made it a game.  Markus is the bomb.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:54:57 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:45:02 PM
I would think at least 20, but there is a lot of depth there. He's just another guy that is hard to take off the court. Even if he isn't scoring a lot, he does everything right.

Like his bro. Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: AZWarrior on January 06, 2018, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 06, 2018, 09:46:00 PM
Howard also had 8 assists tonight on top of his 37 points.

The mods might consider keeping MH's picture up, changing the caption from "Providence SOTG" to "BEAST Player of the Week".
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 06, 2018, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
And he still won't be able to drink legally.

Is he young?  Must have missed that somehow....
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:08:24 PM
Nova is #3 in the country.  (though I am sure Lenny will say they are overrated)   

You would be dead wrong - I think "Nova is fairly (or slightly under) rated. Top 3 IMO.

As for X, if you think they're fairly or even under rated I'll offer you an opportunity for some easy money. X finishes #5 (fairly rated), you win 500. #4 1000, #3 1500, #2 2000, #1 3000..If I'm right, my payout is as follows: #6 100, #7 200, #8 300, #9 400, #10 500. #11-15 1000, #16-20 1500, #21-25 2000, out of the top 25 3000. Do we (or any of our other scoopers wild about X) have a wager?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Shark on January 06, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
Moved up quite a nice bit on Kenpom and in RPI today thanks to a decent showing and some of the former opponents having good games. This team has a much better chance at dancing when compared to where we were at this time last year. Let's see if they can beat a very good Seton Hall team next.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 06, 2018, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
You would be dead wrong - I think "Nova is fairly (or slightly under) rated. Top 3 IMO.

As for X, if you think they're fairly or even under rated I'll offer you an opportunity for some easy money. X finishes #5 (fairly rated), you win 500. #4 1000, #3 1500, #2 2000, #1 3000..If I'm right, my payout is as follows: #6 100, #7 200, #8 300, #9 400, #10 500. #11-15 1000, #16-20 1500, #21-25 2000, out of the top 25 3000. Do we (or any of our other scoopers wild about X) have a wager?

Some scoopers are so desperate for money. Sad!

Had to poke a little fun at you Lenny
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 06, 2018, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
You would be dead wrong - I think "Nova is fairly (or slightly under) rated. Top 3 IMO.

As for X, if you think they're fairly or even under rated I'll offer you an opportunity for some easy money. X finishes #5 (fairly rated), you win 500. #4 1000, #3 1500, #2 2000, #1 3000..If I'm right, my payout is as follows: #6 100, #7 200, #8 300, #9 400, #10 500. #11-15 1000, #16-20 1500, #21-25 2000, out of the top 25 3000. Do we (or any of our other scoopers wild about X) have a wager?
Lol. Didn't you initially say you thought they were a marginal top 25 team?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 06, 2018, 10:07:01 PM
Lol. Didn't you initially say you thought they were a marginal top 25 team?

Maybe I was a little hyperbolic. The point is I think they're overrated and anyone who thinks I'm wrong now has the chance to make me pay for my stupidity.You don't have to buy the whole bitcoin, I'll take wagers of 5%, 10% or any percent of my original offer. What can I put you down for, Warrior?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
You would be dead wrong - I think "Nova is fairly (or slightly under) rated. Top 3 IMO.

As for X, if you think they're fairly or even under rated I'll offer you an opportunity for some easy money. X finishes #5 (fairly rated), you win 500. #4 1000, #3 1500, #2 2000, #1 3000..If I'm right, my payout is as follows: #6 100, #7 200, #8 300, #9 400, #10 500. #11-15 1000, #16-20 1500, #21-25 2000, out of the top 25 3000. Do we (or any of our other scoopers wild about X) have a wager?

Your statement was that they are a "borderline top 25 team."  Why would you get money if they're #6?

It should be #6 (where they are right now, I believe?) or better someone else wins (whatever you want), #22 or worse (borderline top 25) you get (whatever you want), and anything in between is a push.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 10:19:40 PM
Your statement was that they are a "borderline top 25 team."  Why would you get money if they're #6?

It should be #6 (where they are right now, I believe?) or better someone else wins (whatever you want), #22 or worse (borderline top 25) you get (whatever you want), and anything in between is a push.

That's stupid. I conceded a bit of hyperbole, but here the point - if I say they're overrated and you say they're not, why can you be dead wrong and me dead right for up to 16 places and have that be a push? You must think I just fell off the turnip truck. I didn't.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 06, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
Hey Rock, when we get upgraded to the shiny new server, can we make sure mayfair isn't along for the ride?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
That's stupid. I conceded a bit of hyperbole, but here the point - if I say they're overrated and you say they're not, why can you be dead wrong and me dead right for up to 16 places and have that be a push? You must think I just fell off the turnip truck. I didn't.

Because I never said you were wrong about being overrated.  I don't know if they're overrated or not, I think they're very good.  Top 6?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  Lots of basketball to be played.  But I do know they're way better than what you said they were.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: D'Lo Brown on January 06, 2018, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
As for #3, that was an ego injury all the way. We need Rowsey to show up every night. That will be the difference between an NCAA Tournament or not.

Other than that, I'm encouraged. We competed hard. I'm convinced Nova is the best team in the country.

Actually disagree with "needing" Rowsey showing up every night in order to make the tournament. We actually saw tonight that if he played zero minutes we are pretty close to beating Villanova on the road.

I'm pro-Rowsey, rare off night for him and can't hang the loss on him. However, I think we are at our best overall when one of Markus/Rowsey is on the floor, not both at the same time. Therefore, so long as Markus has a decent game by his standards and doesn't get into foul trouble, IMO, we're ok. We saw that proven tonight... Nearly beating Nova on the road without him.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: naginiF on January 06, 2018, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 06, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
Hey Rock, when we get upgraded to the shiny new server, can we make sure mayfair isn't along for the ride?
+ the $100 we all owe PGs
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 10:37:56 PM
Because I never said you were wrong about being overrated.  I don't know if they're overrated or not, I think they're very good.  Top 6?  I don't know.  Maybe, maybe not.  Lots of basketball to be played.  But I do know they're way better than what you said they were.

That A-OK, Wades. If you think they might be overrated, too then there's no reason for us to have a bet. My wagers will be with Tower and others who don't think X is overrated, not with those who have no opinion. The Casino is officially open.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 06, 2018, 10:56:45 PM
Congrats to Coach Wright on #400. 

Last time MU gave up a hundo was in 2009 against...Nova.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2018, 06:27:08 AM
Quote from: yetipro on January 06, 2018, 10:38:37 PM
Actually disagree with "needing" Rowsey showing up every night in order to make the tournament. We actually saw tonight that if he played zero minutes we are pretty close to beating Villanova on the road.


I really doubt that Rowsey playing zero minutes would have gotten the game closer. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 07, 2018, 06:29:57 AM
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 07, 2018, 06:27:08 AM

I really doubt that Rowsey playing zero minutes would have gotten the game closer.

It sure wouldn't have hurt. He was a real cluster last night. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2018, 06:59:33 AM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2018, 10:46:52 PM
That A-OK, Wades. If you think they might be overrated, too then there's no reason for us to have a bet. My wagers will be with Tower and others who don't think X is overrated, not with those who have no opinion. The Casino is officially open.

Lenny, as I said when you made your original statement, if you had said "marginal top 15", I would have still disagreed a little, but I wouldn't have argued the point.    You said marginal top 25.   That is worth arguing.    Overrated at 5?   OK.   I can accept that.     I think they are, and will continue to be as the season progresses barring injuries, a top 15 team.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: avid1010 on January 07, 2018, 07:11:27 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 07, 2018, 06:29:57 AM
It sure wouldn't have hurt. He was a real cluster last night.
Rowsey gives us no help last night and we hang tough with Nova led by an experienced Brunson on their court.  Next year we don't have the Brunson issue, players develop, and we bring in at least two players that should add to the team.  Never like to lose, and I understand the argument against the "next year" narrative...but I'm hopeful.

I will also say, with the occasional exception of Rowsey, I really enjoy watching these kids grow and play.  They seem to be tremendous representatives of MU.  Sacar has sacrificed... and played well last night.  Heldt seems like such a great teammate and hard worker.  Sam could demand more shots or force things, but he remains patient.  Markus represents at many levels and has bounced back nicely from a tough few games.  Jamal and Greg just play...Never see them looking anything but 100% engaged.  Theo seems to enjoy being a "protector."  Just a really great group of kids.  I'm still relatively young...but I enjoy this vs a Kentucky situation.  Nothing against Ellenson...but that situation just wasn't engaging to me.  I really enjoy watching Nova, as well as most of the BEAST teams, Wojo will win at an acceptable level with a great group of guys.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2018, 07:22:37 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988565

Box.   
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2018, 07:24:42 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 07, 2018, 06:29:57 AM
It sure wouldn't have hurt. He was a real cluster last night. 


He was terrible.  But if hadn't played at all, they still wouldn't have won.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: real chili 83 on January 07, 2018, 07:37:53 AM
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 07, 2018, 07:24:42 AM

He was terrible.  But if hadn't played at all, they still wouldn't have won.

Agreed.  More so a criticism of Rowsey. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: MUDPT on January 07, 2018, 07:37:54 AM
Nothing on the switching on the high PnR?

Will it stay or was it because Nova loves to posts their guards too?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2018, 07:45:28 AM
Quote from: MUDPT on January 07, 2018, 07:37:54 AM
Nothing on the switching on the high PnR?

Will it stay or was it because Nova loves to posts their guards too?

Yeah I didn't notice that the hedging that everyone complains about, wasn't happening.  But the switching wasn't working.  And when Nova just spread the floor and went one on one?  That didn't work either.

The good news is that Elliott's offensive game has grown.  If we don't land a graduate transfer, I feel comfortable with a Howard / Elliott backcourt next year.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: GB Warrior on January 07, 2018, 07:47:50 AM
Tower, my reaction was the same as yours: this team can and will survive Rowsey next year. Great heart, if not great defense.

We're sticking around this year, and we're gonna have a chance to beat them again at home.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: jsglow on January 07, 2018, 08:31:30 AM
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on January 07, 2018, 07:45:28 AM
Yeah I didn't notice that the hedging that everyone complains about, wasn't happening.  But the switching wasn't working.  And when Nova just spread the floor and went one on one?  That didn't work either.

The good news is that Elliott's offensive game has grown.  If we don't land a graduate transfer, I feel comfortable with a Howard / Elliott backcourt next year.

It has, hasn't it?  And here's the thing.  IF he starts next year he doesn't need to be a big time scorer.  The points that Rowsey scores can be spread among other players already on the team plus Joey.  Plus some long arms and disruptive D at the point of attack decrease our need to put up 90.  So in theory, our last scholly could be a Frosh guard.  But we do need one more guard, for sure.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 07, 2018, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2018, 09:17:24 PM
Rebounds very well and is willing to hit somebody running down the lane unlike anybody else on this team.

Agree with this.  Hope to see a much better contributor in the next few games.  Looks like he is rushing his shot, and generating a little too much Pace on the ball.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: MUfan12 on January 07, 2018, 10:01:42 AM
Quote from: Loose Cannon on January 07, 2018, 09:53:46 AM
Agree with this.  Hope to see a much better contributor in the next few games.  Looks like he is rushing his shot, and generating a little too much Pace on the ball.

Still very much getting caught up to game speed. Skills are there, but his mind is moving faster than his body can react. Can see that on a couple of his drives and post ups when he's been whistled for a travel.

People forget that he didn't play a ton at SMU and then sat for a year. It takes more than 5 games to get back in the flow.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 07, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 07, 2018, 10:01:42 AM
Still very much getting caught up to game speed. Skills are there, but his mind is moving faster than his body can react. Can see that on a couple of his drives and post ups when he's been whistled for a travel.

People forget that he didn't play a ton at SMU and then sat for a year. It takes more than 5 games to get back in the flow.

You're right, I think it took AR 6 games to start to settle down when he opened.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 07, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2018, 09:08:24 PM
1.   Apparently, that 'compete, compete, compete' huddle worked.   
2.  Did you see the future tonight?    Do you have hope?
3.   Rowsey was bad.   Oops.   Hopefully, his ankle isn't too bad.     He will be better. 
4.  Harry, you made a shot.   It does not mean shoot every time.  Ah, well.  Love the fearlessness.
5.  Markus.... Big East player of the week. 
6.  MU covered.    And made Nova work. 
7.  Loved the line up at the end.   
8.  No shame in this game.  Nova is #3 in the country.  (though I am sure Lenny will say they are overrated)   MU showed up, worked their asses off, the freshmen competed at a high level and gave Nova a hell of a game despite not getting anything from Rowsey.   The team played without fear in the second half.    I cannot ask for more. 
9.  I am optimistic for the future.

10. PGHeroes32's bank account is safe.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: warriorchick on January 07, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 07, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
10. PGHeroes32's bank account is safe.


But to the team's credit, I bet there were a couple of times during the game where he was sweating at least a little bit.  I don't believe that at any point during the game, we were in worse shape than we were at the same point in the last Villanova game.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: cheebs09 on January 07, 2018, 10:54:57 AM
I'll be excited to see what Elliott can do with both hands healthy. I think his ball handling will improve with the game slowing down and  healthy left thumb.
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 07, 2018, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 07, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
10. PGHeroes32's bank account is safe.

I thought he was giving us 16 points, no?
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 07, 2018, 10:50:01 AM

But to the team's credit, I bet there were a couple of times during the game where he was sweating at least a little bit.  I don't believe that at any point during the game, we were in worse shape than we were at the same point in the last Villanova game.

I'd beg to differ, especially in the last 30 seconds or so.  ;)
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: warriorchick on January 07, 2018, 01:14:16 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 07, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
I'd beg to differ, especially in the last 30 seconds or so.  ;)

I stand corrected.   ::)
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: TVDirector on January 07, 2018, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 07, 2018, 10:54:57 AM
I'll be excited to see what Elliott can do with both hands healthy. I think his ball handling will improve with the game slowing down and  healthy left thumb.
I hope that's the case, as I'm not sold on him handling the ball well.  Hold my breath whenever he's dealing. 
That said, GE is certain to grow into a more complete player as the toolset is there.
Looking forward to his growth and the flashes of talent we see with JCain each game. 
Title: Re: Villain-ova Are you not entertained?
Post by: Newsdreams on January 07, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on January 06, 2018, 09:24:27 PM
More whining about the refs.

The inferiority complex that some have where MU is always the victim of the big bad refs doesn't make any sense.
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