I know all eyes are on Xavier tomorrow night. Generally, I don't think about "Next Year" too much. I want MU to win today.
But I was just looked at the Scholarship table for next year (Thanks whoever keeps this up).
There are 12 guys who will deserve floor time next year. How do you divide up 200 mpg?
- Heldt, a trusted senior who's put in the time. Currently 25.
- Sacar has really put in the time and hustle. Currently 26.
- Howard and S. Hauser, 30+ of course.
- A new Hauser who could be great. 20 or more?
- Old man Bailey and Morrow, new and at least 10+
- Our 3 good freshmen, Cain, John, Elliot now seasoned sophs: 20+ each?
- Don't forget Eke and Froling....10 and 20?
Running out of minutes!
None of these guys are Cam Marotta...all legit scholarships with potential...No definitive 7 man rotation like some schools. I know its the coaches job to figure this out. A meritocracy that awards "the will to prepare" and the best talent. It won't be easy. Does something give?
I wonder if this Big East season will shake out a definite set of starters for next year?
Well, I start with this: If we're really a very good team, it means Matt is not playing more than 15 mpg.
I would think Morrow would get a lot more mpg than you project, probably more than Froling unless Froling really shows something.
Markus and Sam probably would get a little more rest in most games.
The rest would have to earn their minutes, though I admit to being really curious to see how Joey is used.
Having said all of this, I don't worry about any of it. Shyte happens every year. We'll see what the roster looks like next October. These things tend to work themselves out quite nicely.
Quote from: MUBigDance on December 26, 2017, 02:33:37 PM
I know all eyes are on Xavier tomorrow night. Generally, I don't think about "Next Year" too much. I want MU to win today.
But I was just looked at the Scholarship table for next year (Thanks whoever keeps this up).
There are 12 guys who will deserve floor time next year. How do you divide up 200 mpg?
- Heldt, a trusted senior who's put in the time. Currently 25.
- Sacar has really put in the time and hustle. Currently 26.
- Howard and S. Hauser, 30+ of course.
- A new Hauser who could be great. 20 or more?
- Old man Bailey and Morrow, new and at least 10+
- Our 3 good freshmen, Cain, John, Elliot now seasoned sophs: 20+ each?
- Don't forget Eke and Froling....10 and 20?
Running out of minutes!
None of these guys are Cam Marotta...all legit scholarships with potential...No definitive 7 man rotation like some schools. I know its the coaches job to figure this out. A meritocracy that awards "the will to prepare" and the best talent. It won't be easy. Does something give?
I wonder if this Big East season will shake out a definite set of starters for next year?
Heldt's minutes will drop to 10-15 per game in my opinion. I think Sacar's will drop as well through no fault of his own.
I'd be very surprised if Morrow doesn't play 25-30 minutes.
Plus, I expect Wojo to go after a grad transfer PG as well.
It'll be extremely interesting but it's a good problem to have.
I think we'll add a PG, whether that be a freshman or grad transfer, which will further muddy the waters. But this is how I'd project it today:
PG: Markus 30, Elliott 10
SG: Sacar 25, Sam 5, Elliot 5, Cain/Bailey 5
SF: Sam 25, Joey 10, Cain/Bailey 5
PF: Morrow 25, Joey 10, Froling 5
C: Froling 15, Theo 15, Heldt 5, Morrow 5
Totals:
Markus 30
Sam 30
Morrow 30
Sacar 25
Joey 20
Froling 20
Theo 15
Elliott 15
Heldt 5
Cain 5
Bailey 5
Eke - Garbage time only
Main takeaway:
Its going to be really tough for underclassman to get minutes if this team is healthy and everyone returns. Things get quite a bit more muddled if we add a grad transfer PG, which IMO is the only thing separating this team from being a top 10 worthy preseason selection.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 26, 2017, 03:01:57 PM
I think we'll add a PG, whether that be a freshman or grad transfer, which will further muddy the waters. But this is how I'd project it today:
PG: Markus 30, Elliott 10
SG: Sacar 25, Sam 5, Elliot 5, Cain/Bailey 5
SF: Sam 25, Joey 10, Cain/Bailey 5
PF: Morrow 25, Joey 10, Froling 5
C: Froling 15, Theo 15, Heldt 5, Morrow 5
Totals:
Markus 30
Sam 30
Morrow 30
Sacar 25
Joey 20
Froling 20
Theo 15
Elliott 15
Heldt 5
Cain 5
Bailey 5
Eke - Garbage time only
Main takeaway:
Its going to be really tough for underclassman to get minutes if this team is healthy and everyone returns. Things get quite a bit more muddled if we add a grad transfer PG, which IMO is the only thing separating this team from being a top 10 worthy preseason selection.
I think Cain is a shoe-in for more than 5 MPG if he puts on muscle and continues to develop.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 26, 2017, 03:44:29 PM
I think Cain is a shoe-in for more than 5 MPG if he puts on muscle and continues to develop.
I would agree, but tough to pinpoint who he'd take minutes from. Maybe Sacar.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 26, 2017, 03:46:45 PM
I would agree, but tough to pinpoint who he'd take minutes from. Maybe Sacar.
Yes, Sacar.
And I would be thrilled if Matt is only playing 5 mpg, because it means we've made huge progress.
My guess is he'd get 10-15 mpg from Wojo purely from the "he's a guy I can trust" perspective, but I'd love to be wrong on that.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 26, 2017, 03:46:45 PM
I would agree, but tough to pinpoint who he'd take minutes from. Maybe Sacar.
I would guess Sacar and/or Greg, if he is deserving.
If MU is not able to grab one of the following:
1) a top tier PG that is available as a grad transfer
2) a top tier PG signed recruit that is available after decommiting in spring (after some coach leaves a school or is fired)
then a traditional transfer and sitting out one year is very likely.
Not looking to add just anybody...
If I was a high level grad transfer PG and I see what the twin tikes are doing this year and see the roster for next year...why would I not want part of that.
Going after very highly rated players for 19-20. Wisconsin (Bucky) should not assume that any in-state high level recruit is a solid lean to them anymore....read between the lines
After QG is out of college remind me and I will tell the whole story.
JH is recovering nicely from his foot. Expect full recovery and will be able to attend summer school and work out then with staff.
Practices are very competitive and energetic. Especially the Detroit duo, you can tell they have played together and they are having fun and enjoying their role. Look for some more steals from them as they continue to trap as part of the press. Wojo has the horses now to do that. Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff. This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on. I will be shock if they do not make the tourney.
Also Lil' Mamma got me a new broom for Christmas so I am back to work. Happy New Year all!!!
Quote from: Big Daddy 84 on December 26, 2017, 04:52:24 PM
If MU is not able to grab one of the following:
1) a top tier PG that is available as a grad transfer
2) a top tier PG signed recruit that is available after decommiting in spring (after some coach leaves a school or is fired)
then a traditional transfer and sitting out one year is very likely.
Not looking to add just anybody...
If I was a high level grad transfer PG and I see what the twin tikes are doing this year and see the roster for next year...why would I not want part of that.
Going after very highly rated players for 19-20. Wisconsin (Bucky) should not assume that any in-state high level recruit is a solid lean to them anymore....read between the lines
After QG is out of college remind me and I will tell the whole story.
JH is recovering nicely from his foot. Expect full recovery and will be able to attend summer school and work out then with staff.
Practices are very competitive and energetic. Especially the Detroit duo, you can tell they have played together and they are having fun and enjoying their role. Look for some more steals from them as they continue to trap as part of the press. Wojo has the horses now to do that. Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff. This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on. I will be shock if they do not make the tourney.
Also Lil' Mamma got me a new broom for Christmas so I am back to work. Happy New Year all!!!
I'd be down for a couple of Jalen's from the Midwest joining the squad from that recruiting class, hey?
Quote from: Big Daddy 84 on December 26, 2017, 04:52:24 PM
If MU is not able to grab one of the following:
1) a top tier PG that is available as a grad transfer
2) a top tier PG signed recruit that is available after decommiting in spring (after some coach leaves a school or is fired)
then a traditional transfer and sitting out one year is very likely.
Not looking to add just anybody...
If I was a high level grad transfer PG and I see what the twin tikes are doing this year and see the roster for next year...why would I not want part of that.
Going after very highly rated players for 19-20. Wisconsin (Bucky) should not assume that any in-state high level recruit is a solid lean to them anymore....read between the lines
After QG is out of college remind me and I will tell the whole story.
JH is recovering nicely from his foot. Expect full recovery and will be able to attend summer school and work out then with staff.
Practices are very competitive and energetic. Especially the Detroit duo, you can tell they have played together and they are having fun and enjoying their role. Look for some more steals from them as they continue to trap as part of the press. Wojo has the horses now to do that. Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff. This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on. I will be shock if they do not make the tourney.
Also Lil' Mamma got me a new broom for Christmas so I am back to work. Happy New Year all!!!
HOT DOG! BIG D has returned. Good info my man, appreciate it.
I especially like the fact that it sounds like Wojo is looking into pressing this year. Good stuff!
Quote from: fjm on December 26, 2017, 04:57:21 PM
HOT DOG! BIG D has returned. Good info my man, appreciate it.
I especially like the fact that it sounds like Wojo is looking into pressing this year. Good stuff!
Wojo has used a trapping press the last couple of games. Cain's wingspan is a disruptor.
BD, what's the story with Ike's back?
Quote from: Big Daddy 84 on December 26, 2017, 04:52:24 PM
Practices are very competitive and energetic. Wojo has the horses now to do that. Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff. This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on.
Hard to believe any of this is true, given Wojo's infamous de-motivation tactics.
I'm glad I checked scoop today, thanks Big Daddy!
I don't see Heldt getting 15+ at the end of this season.
Hoping QG is a one-and-done so we can get the scoop on that sooner than later.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 26, 2017, 04:56:29 PM
I'd be down for a couple of Jalen's from the Midwest joining the squad from that recruiting class, hey?
Assuming '19 maybe Nobal, then '20 Jalen.
Cant wait for Morrow, hes gonna take up a lot of post minutes.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 26, 2017, 06:44:25 PM
I don't see Heldt getting 15+ at the end of this season.
I understand the overall belief that Heldt is one of the least naturally talented big men we have this year and definitely next year. And based on pure talent alone, he's the least deserving for minutes.
That said, I think a lot of posters underestimate what a guy like him means to Wojo--an intelligent, hard working, no ego, hustle player who will do what the coaches ask him to the best of his abilities. Wojo clearly trusts him, and I don't see him going away for that quickly or unless someone truly forces his hand--especially as we get into conference play. Neither Froling or John have shown the grasp of the game yet to do that. They will take some minutes, and I think he'll drop from the 25 mpg he is currently averaging, but I can't see it dropping much below 20 MPG except in situations where fouls become an issue. And, next year, I have to imagine it will be much the same (around 20 MPG), unless he decides to transfer somewhere. (Could he graduate early and grad transfer? Might be the best for everyone)
Minutes at the 4/5 are going to be in high demand next year, and there isn't really a natural reason to expect most of those guys to leave the program (senior, already transferred x2, brother plays here, coming off red shirt year)...and then there is Theo.
It goes back to a point I made a few weeks ago wondering (hoping?) if TJ might actually red shirt next year to help clear the logjam. I don't think he needs it, and wouldn't normally advocate for it. But I'm afraid that he is the one big who doesn't have a natural reason to stick with the program next year, and so might realize that he needs to head somewhere else if he wants to play the minutes he is capable of. I'd much rather he stick around, work on developing his outside game (which could make him a legit NBA SF prospect if he could shoot and handle), then possibly lose him in the numbers squeeze. I don't think it is likely, but it is the only scenario I can see where we don't inexplicably lose one of these guys, who are all worth keeping around the program.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on December 26, 2017, 09:09:25 PM
Cant wait for Morrow, hes gonna take up a lot of post minutes.
I don't think he will take up many post minutes. I think you are going to see a lot of him at the forward position.
Quote from: MUMountin on December 26, 2017, 09:35:02 PM
I understand the overall belief that Heldt is one of the least naturally talented big men we have this year and definitely next year. And based on pure talent alone, he's the least deserving for minutes.
That said, I think a lot of posters underestimate what a guy like him means to Wojo--an intelligent, hard working, no ego, hustle player who will do what the coaches ask him to the best of his abilities. Wojo clearly trusts him, and I don't see him going away for that quickly or unless someone truly forces his hand--especially as we get into conference play. Neither Froling or John have shown the grasp of the game yet to do that. They will take some minutes, and I think he'll drop from the 25 mpg he is currently averaging, but I can't see it dropping much below 20 MPG except in situations where fouls become an issue. And, next year, I have to imagine it will be much the same (around 20 MPG), unless he decides to transfer somewhere. (Could he graduate early and grad transfer? Might be the best for everyone)
Minutes at the 4/5 are going to be in high demand next year, and there isn't really a natural reason to expect most of those guys to leave the program (senior, already transferred x2, brother plays here, coming off red shirt year)...and then there is Theo.
It goes back to a point I made a few weeks ago wondering (hoping?) if TJ might actually red shirt next year to help clear the logjam. I don't think he needs it, and wouldn't normally advocate for it. But I'm afraid that he is the one big who doesn't have a natural reason to stick with the program next year, and so might realize that he needs to head somewhere else if he wants to play the minutes he is capable of. I'd much rather he stick around, work on developing his outside game (which could make him a legit NBA SF prospect if he could shoot and handle), then possibly lose him in the numbers squeeze. I don't think it is likely, but it is the only scenario I can see where we don't inexplicably lose one of these guys, who are all worth keeping around the program.
The coaches appreciate what Matt is bringing to the table and it is going to take a lot to knock him out of his minutes this year.
Quote from: MUMountin on December 26, 2017, 09:35:02 PM
I understand the overall belief that Heldt is one of the least naturally talented big men we have this year and definitely next year. And based on pure talent alone, he's the least deserving for minutes.
That said, I think a lot of posters underestimate what a guy like him means to Wojo--an intelligent, hard working, no ego, hustle player who will do what the coaches ask him to the best of his abilities. Wojo clearly trusts him, and I don't see him going away for that quickly or unless someone truly forces his hand--especially as we get into conference play. Neither Froling or John have shown the grasp of the game yet to do that. They will take some minutes, and I think he'll drop from the 25 mpg he is currently averaging, but I can't see it dropping much below 20 MPG except in situations where fouls become an issue. And, next year, I have to imagine it will be much the same (around 20 MPG), unless he decides to transfer somewhere. (Could he graduate early and grad transfer? Might be the best for everyone)
Minutes at the 4/5 are going to be in high demand next year, and there isn't really a natural reason to expect most of those guys to leave the program (senior, already transferred x2, brother plays here, coming off red shirt year)...and then there is Theo.
It goes back to a point I made a few weeks ago wondering (hoping?) if TJ might actually red shirt next year to help clear the logjam. I don't think he needs it, and wouldn't normally advocate for it. But I'm afraid that he is the one big who doesn't have a natural reason to stick with the program next year, and so might realize that he needs to head somewhere else if he wants to play the minutes he is capable of. I'd much rather he stick around, work on developing his outside game (which could make him a legit NBA SF prospect if he could shoot and handle), then possibly lose him in the numbers squeeze. I don't think it is likely, but it is the only scenario I can see where we don't inexplicably lose one of these guys, who are all worth keeping around the program.
I tend to agree that Wojo might feel some kind of indebtedness (for lack of better word) to Heldt and give him minutes because of it. All I've said is that I hope we have other options that are so strong, it will force Wojo's hand to play Heldt less. I think one sign we are a better team will be if Heldt plays <15 mpg.
Totally disagree about redshirting Theo. If he is better than Heldt next season - and an argument can be made that he's been better than Heldt a few times this season already - he should play. If that means Heldt sees 2 minutes (or no minutes), that's life in the big city.
By this time next season, Theo could be a very valuable 10-20 minute guy.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 26, 2017, 09:41:03 PM
I don't think he will take up many post minutes. I think you are going to see a lot of him at the forward position.
A 4 can play the post and it wouldn't at all surprise me to see him at the 5 in some smaller lineups. I think a lot of that might depend on how Froling develops.
Quote from: MU82 on December 26, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
I tend to agree that Wojo might feel some kind of indebtedness (for lack of better word) to Heldt and give him minutes because of it. All I've said is that I hope we have other options that are so strong, it will force Wojo's hand to play Heldt less. I think one sign we are a better team will be if Heldt plays <15 mpg.
Totally disagree about redshirting Theo. If he is better than Heldt next season - and an argument can be made that he's been better than Heldt a few times this season already - he should play. If that means Heldt sees 2 minutes (or no minutes), that's life in the big city.
By this time next season, Theo could be a very valuable 10-20 minute guy.
Agree completely in terms of Theo and Heldt for next season.
Matt isn't playing minutes because Wojo feels indebted to him. He is playing minutes because he is the best option.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 27, 2017, 07:30:18 AM
Matt isn't playing minutes because Wojo feels indebted to him. He is playing minutes because he is the best option.
I agree with you. This is D1 b-ball the money-making engine for the university. Wojo is putting the team in the best position to win.
Matt is by far our best interior defender. Not even close between him and Theo at the moment. That's why he's playing
You guys are all missing something. How will the team gel and which five players next year complement each other?
I agree that we will be deep and very talented. Perhaps as talented as we have been in a long, long time. Depending on how much hype we get, we're certainly a Top 25 team next year and maybe a Top 10.
But the question is how these pieces come together to form a cohesive unit. The minutes are a function of talent, yes. But they also are a function of how the team fits into Wojo's system. I'm optimistic but it's way early to predict and as another Scooper said, "things happen."
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 27, 2017, 07:30:18 AM
Matt isn't playing minutes because Wojo feels indebted to him. He is playing minutes because he is the best option.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 27, 2017, 07:51:24 AM
Matt is by far our best interior defender. Not even close between him and Theo at the moment. That's why he's playing
Agreed with both. Heldt may not be as flashy as John is defensively with highlight reel blocks, but he is solid and consistent.
Offensively, he is precisely what this team needs--a no-ego guy who will be highly efficient (145 ORTG) when he gets his opportunities. On a team with such potent weapons, he is precisely what you want--someone who can grab a decent number of offensive board (8.5 OR%), can convert when he gets good opportunities (65.7 FG%), and doesn't force things/turn the ball over (12.3 TO%). Not to mention is shooting FTs at almost 90%!
Froling may have great offensive tools, and John is a physical beast, but neither have yet shown the discipline to play that complementary style that helps our team gel. And, I think too many posters are underestimating Matt's hard work and ability and Wojo's trust in that. At this point, I can't imagine him not starting or playing less than 20 mpgs the rest of the year or next year.
Its funny--how often do we gripe about MU not being able to develop bigs.
These recent comments about Heldt are all reasonable and appreciated. "Indebted" was a poor choice of words (and I even acknowledged it might be when I used it). I agree that Wojo is playing the people he best thinks will help him win, which is his job.
I love Matt's hustle and want-to, and he has improved a lot, especially on defense. And yet I still maintain that one sign we are really contenders will be if Heldt is averaging <15 mpg.
I said much the same about Derrick (without being insane about it like Ners). As soon as he had to play >15 mpg, it was not a great sign for the program.
Heldt would play big minutes on very, very, very few (if any) legitimate Sweet 16 contenders. I want us to be legit Sweet 16 contenders.
If what you are saying is that Heldt's ceiling is lower than John's and Froling's, I would agree with you. But there are clearly times where he is the best option.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 27, 2017, 12:25:22 PM
If what you are saying is that Heldt's ceiling is lower than John's and Froling's, I would agree with you. But there are clearly times where he is the best option.
Same here. I'd agree the ceiling, long-term, for both is higher than Heldt--I love the idea of the two of them as a potent inside-outside duo in 19-20.
But their floor is also much lower than Heldt's currently--Theo for fouls and TOs, Froling for playing too fast (at least in his first real game back...stay tuned). And, for at least this year's team, that is much more important--because our defense can't be counted on to get enough consistent stops, we need to be as efficient as possible on the offensive end.
Quote from: MUMountin on December 27, 2017, 12:40:19 PM
Same here. I'd agree the ceiling, long-term, for both is higher than Heldt--I love the idea of the two of them as a potent inside-outside duo in 19-20.
But their floor is also much lower than Heldt's currently--Theo for fouls and TOs, Froling for playing too fast (at least in his first real game back...stay tuned). And, for at least this year's team, that is much more important--because our defense can't be counted on to get enough consistent stops, we need to be as efficient as possible on the offensive end.
Being efficient on offense doesn't mean you are an offensive threat or a good offensive player, however.
That being set Heldt deserves his minutes this year.
If the roster stays the same and Joey comes back fully healhty, I'd go with:
M2N: 30
Sam: 30
Morrow: 25
Joey: 25
Froling: 20-25
Elliott backs up Howard 10 mpg
Heldt & Theo split 20-25 mpg based on matchups & foul situation (sometimes evenly, sometimes in the 15/10 range, sometimes 20/5). Sometimes Eke gets 5 from this bucket
Cain, Bailey, Anim split 35 in a similar manner to the Heldt/Theo dynamic
Long story short we're going to be huge, deep, and versatile next year even if we don't add someone from Big Daddy's list (but I hope we do!)
Quote from: MUMountin on December 27, 2017, 10:26:09 AMOffensively, he is precisely what this team needs--a no-ego guy who will be highly efficient (145 ORTG) when he gets his opportunities. On a team with such potent weapons, he is precisely what you want--someone who can grab a decent number of offensive board (8.5 OR%), can convert when he gets good opportunities (65.7 FG%), and doesn't force things/turn the ball over (12.3 TO%). Not to mention is shooting FTs at almost 90%!
This is dead on. When you have three perimeter players averaging 57.7 ppg, not only do you not need a center that is a big time scorer, you probably don't want one. On offense, we want our big three dominating the shots. All we need from the 5 is getting put back chances and being reliable enough to score when he does get his few opportunities to keep the defense honest. Matt does exactly what we need him to do.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 27, 2017, 01:53:19 PM
This is dead on. When you have three perimeter players averaging 57.7 ppg, not only do you not need a center that is a big time scorer, you probably don't want one. On offense, we want our big three dominating the shots. All we need from the 5 is getting put back chances and being reliable enough to score when he does get his few opportunities to keep the defense honest. Matt does exactly what we need him to do.
To win:
- Defend
- Rebound
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 27, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
To win:
- Defend
- Rebound
And score more points. Almost as important as FT's
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 27, 2017, 03:49:23 PM
And score more points. Almost as important as FT's
Rick thought they were important...
The addition of Brendan Bailey is something that needs to be given consideration. We know he is a very good shooter and has excellent court vision. He is going to be more mature than the typical freshman due to his two year mission. I believe he will use the summer to get into D1 shape and it will just be a matter of time for him to adjust to the pace of play at the high major level.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 27, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
The addition of Brendan Bailey is something that needs to be given consideration. We know he is a very good shooter and has excellent court vision. He is going to be more mature than the typical freshman due to his two year mission. I believe he will use the summer to get into D1 shape and it will just be a matter of time for him to adjust to the pace of play at the high major level.
I agree that Bailey could be a great find. I have zero doubts he is going to be a great college player. But hard to imagine him getting major minutes next season if the current projected roster is intact.
Against X, Wojo showed us all how he rates our center candidates. Froling played by far the most minutes, and Theo was used with only a few minutes left in the game to give Froling a little breather. Matt was planted on the bench, and it wasn't because of fouls.
Froling finished with 8 rebounds in 20 minutes, and he really had to fight for those. He made some mistakes, and wasn't aggressive enough on offense, but I think he's going to be very valuable for us.
Theo really had a couple of nice post moves down the stretch and a great blocked shot. He can be a solid backup center this season.
Matt had 0 defensive rebounds and a blown layup in 13 very forgettable minutes. He barely saw the court in the second half. Wojo couldn't afford to play him.
Matt works as hard as he can and does as well as his very limited talent lets him. He seems like a great kid and a true team player. But no legit high-major team has a guy of his skill set playing 25 mpg, as he did during non-con.
Maybe Elliott bulks up and surprises me, but I think he's just "a guy" that we should absolutely be trying to recruit over
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 27, 2017, 11:18:56 PM
Maybe Elliott bulks up and surprises me, but I think he's just "a guy" that we should absolutely be trying to recruit over
Teal?
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 27, 2017, 11:18:56 PM
Maybe Elliott bulks up and surprises me, but I think he's just "a guy" that we should absolutely be trying to recruit over
Best defender on the team this year. When his shot comes along he will be a great player for us.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 28, 2017, 10:14:00 AM
Best defender on the team this year. When his shot comes along he will be a great player for us.
Yep. 1st in D rating, stl%, and block%. Add muscle, improve shooting, and cut down on TOs.
Greg will be a solid role player as an underclassmen and has the potential to be a very good starter as a junior and senior.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 27, 2017, 11:18:56 PM
Maybe Elliott bulks up and surprises me, but I think he's just "a guy" that we should absolutely be trying to recruit over
Harsh. I really like what I've seen from him. Cain and Elliott's length really helps us despite their lack of muscle at this stage.