Quote from: jesmu84 on December 04, 2017, 09:52:11 AM
We've had some lows with Wojo so far. But it's interesting how quickly some folks forgot about Nova.
No, that one win is not enough to justify anything. But if you're going to provide evidence for "firing" or being "anti-wojo", need to acknowledge both sides.
Here are my top positives:
1. Beating Bucky at Kohl with HE
2. Beating Villanova in Milwaukee
3. Making the tourney last year
4. Getting to see HE play his 1 year of college basketball
5. Offense - we have never had a better offense
6. Markus - Love watching him play
7. Stan's Jackets - Not really Wojo's doing but indirectly
If our top positives are beating two teams who we used to beat all the time I think I'm a bit scared. (plus that Wisconsin team was just coming off an L to uwm right?)
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
If our top positives are beating two teams who we used to beat all the time I think I'm a bit scared. (plus that Wisconsin team was just coming off an L to uwm right?)
Really horrible logic right here. Just god awful. Beating the number 1 team in the country is a BFD I don't care if it's grambling state that suddenly got that rank they're still the number 1 team.
Beating a UW team that went on to the sweet 16 is a big deal, who cares if they were coming off a loss?
Seeeping X last year was solid to
In 28 months we won't have to worry about individual teams we have beaten.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
In 28 months we won't have to worry about individual teams we have beaten.
Why? Is the program disbanding?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 04, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
Really horrible logic right here. Just god awful. Beating the number 1 team in the country is a BFD I don't care if it's grambling state that suddenly got that rank they're still the number 1 team.
Beating a UW team that went on to the sweet 16 is a big deal, who cares if they were coming off a loss?
I think that right there more then anything else speaks to how far this program has fallen. Last year, beating #1 on your home floor seemed like it was David beating Goliath and a really big deal. I hate that feeling..I want the program at a point where it's the one being "hunted", where beating the #1 team on your home floor(or on theirs), is a big win, but not so big that it's floor rush worthy.
I want it to be one heavyweight vs another, exchanging blows. I long for those days.
Quote from: muguru on December 04, 2017, 12:05:14 PM
I think that right there more then anything else speaks to how far this program has fallen. Last year, beating #1 on your home floor seemed like it was David beating Goliath and a really big deal. I hate that feeling..I want the program at a point where it's the one being "hunted", where beating the #1 team on your home floor(or on theirs), is a big win, but not so big that it's floor rush worthy.
I want it to be one heavyweight vs another, exchanging blows. I long for those days.
Here's a reality check for you Guru. It had happened once in this program's history. You can worship Al all you want but the couple times he went against the no 1 team he failed. There was never a point in MU history where beating the no1 team was not going to be a big deal whether it was the crowder and DJO team losing against Cuse, Wade vs UK or any other instance of us being a "heavyweight" at that time.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 04, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
Really horrible logic right here. Just god awful. Beating the number 1 team in the country is a BFD I don't care if it's grambling state that suddenly got that rank they're still the number 1 team.
Beating a UW team that went on to the sweet 16 is a big deal, who cares if they were coming off a loss?
If beating the #1 team in the regular season at home is a bfd than we have truly fallen farther then I thought. Yes it's a cool note and was fun at the time. But beating an individual team once in the regular season should not be a 4th year coaches highest achievement at a prestigious basketball program. Remember not to long ago when we had the longest current home win streak? Or being crowned the big East Champs? Those are actual big deals. Not an individual game that had minimal effect on the other team.
Oh and the badger team marquette beat was clearly not up to a sweet sixteen run at the time.
I don't think there is any "fire Wojo" movement, except maybe at the outermost fringe of reality. I think there is a growing "show us something more Wojo" contingent that is not bigger precisely because of the list, but frankly, other than #2, I don't know that anything on there is all that extraordinary or unreasonable for us to expect--at least from my perspective.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 04, 2017, 12:17:16 PM
Here's a reality check for you Guru. It had happened once in this program's history. You can worship Al all you want but the couple times he went against the no 1 team he failed. There was never a point in MU history where beating the no1 team was not going to be a big deal whether it was the crowder and DJO team losing against Cuse, Wade vs UK or any other instance of us being a "heavyweight" at that time.
Actually al beat the number one team. He just didn't do it in the regular season.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 12:26:03 PM
If beating the #1 team in the regular season at home is a bfd than we have truly fallen farther then I thought. Yes it's a cool note and was fun at the time. But beating an individual team once in the regular season should not be a 4th year coaches highest achievement at a prestigious basketball program. Remember not to long ago when we had the longest current home win streak? Or being crowned the big East Champs? Those are actual big deals. Not an individual game that had minimal effect on the other team.
Oh and the badger team marquette beat was clearly not up to a sweet sixteen run at the time.
You're right it's happened so many other times in our esteemed history we should treat it as no big deal. I was at MU from Lazar to Blue and at any point during that stretch beating the number 1 team would've been a big deal.
Have you ever actually taken a look at that Home streak? It honestly wasn't that impressive. We didn't exactly have the biggest teams in the house during it. Being big east champions is a big deal, did you expect it in year four of wojo when year 4 of crean and buzz didn't have it?
So you can qualify any win by that logic? Hey the 2012-2013 team wasn't playing their best ball when they lost to UWGB, should we go to their board and tell them that because of that their win isn't a big deal?
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
Actually al beat the number one team. He just didn't do it in the regular season.
Please tell me which game that was because the big records book on MU's website disagrees.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 04, 2017, 12:33:00 PM
You're right it's happened so many other times in our esteemed history we should treat it as no big deal. I was at MU from Lazar to Blue and at any point during that stretch beating the number 1 team would've been a big deal.
Have you ever actually taken a look at that Home streak? It honestly wasn't that impressive. We didn't exactly have the biggest teams in the house during it. Being big east champions is a big deal, did you expect it in year four of wojo when year 4 of crean and buzz didn't have it?
So you can qualify any win by that logic? Hey the 2012-2013 team wasnt playing their best ball when they lost to UWGB, should we go to their board and tell them that because of that their win isn't a big deal?
The win wasn't a big deal for Green Bay. Rofl.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 12:37:28 PM
The win wasn't a big deal for Green Bay. Rofl.
You're right I mean I'm sure that team holds its head high because of the other major conference powerhouses they beat...
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 04, 2017, 12:40:26 PM
You're right I mean I'm sure that team holds its head high because of the other major conference powerhouses they beat...
I'm positive they don't have a banner denoting the one time they beat marquette while they were on a cold streak. I'm also positive their coach didn't use it on his resume.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 12:42:55 PM
I'm positive they don't have a banner denoting the one time they beat marquette while they were on a cold streak. I'm also positive their coach didn't use it on his resume.
Do we have a banner about the nova win?
I'm confident Brian Wardle touted it as a major turning point for his program.
You find that win over the number one team Al had that every reporter who did a write up after the Nova game mysteriously forgot about.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 04, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Do we have a banner about the nova win?
I'm confident Brian Wardle touted it as a major turning point for his program.
You find that win over the number one team Al had that every reporter who did a write up after the Nova game mysteriously forgot about.
Tom crean also beat the number 1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2003/week/1/seasontype/3
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
Tom crean also beat the number 1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2003/week/1/seasontype/3
That's not a regular season win. Even so you said Al did, now unless you think Crean's first name was Al I'm thinking you can't find proof for your statement.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 04, 2017, 01:19:47 PM
That's not a regular season win. Even so you said Al did, now unless you think Crean's first name was Al I'm thinking you can't find proof for your statement.
Your right. I stated initially that it was the first regular season one. Not the first ever. Can you stop with this nonsense now?
Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2017, 11:55:23 AM
Why? Is the program disbanding?
Because I believe we will have a number of NCAA Tournament wins between now and the 2nd week of April 2019.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 01:24:24 PM
Your right. I stated initially that it was the first regular season one. Not the first ever. Can you stop with this nonsense now?
What nonsense? You called me out on my statement that Al hadn't beaten the number one team and then haven't provided any proof for it. Don't call someone out when you're wrong and not admit it.
Anyways I stand by my original statement that beating the number one team would always have been a big deal whether it was Buzz's greatest years, Creans best years (which actually happened) or McGuire and every other coach with an ounce of success. We haven't "fallen" to the point where that's a big deal since we were never there in the first place.
Bagpiping
Difference is, when Al was coach, MU actually was the number one team that others wanted to beat. Not #1 a ton of weeks, but top ten for a decade. Beating #1 is a big deal regardless of coach and glad they did it last year. I would much prefer being the team others want to beat.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 01:36:32 PM
Bagpiping
Difference is, when Al was coach, MU actually was the number one team that others wanted to beat. Not #1 a ton of weeks, but top ten for a decade. Beating #1 is a big deal regardless of coach and glad they did it last year. I would much prefer being the team others want to beat.
I think we all do. But the reality of the situation is that we're not there right now, and we have a ways to go to get there. But firing out coach that is building something and starting from scratch isn't the way to do it. If we miss the tournament this season and next, perhaps its time to start thinking about a change. Right now?
Way too premature.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 01:36:32 PM
Bagpiping
Difference is, when Al was coach, MU actually was the number one team that others wanted to beat. Not #1 a ton of weeks, but top ten for a decade. Beating #1 is a big deal regardless of coach and glad they did it last year. I would much prefer being the team others want to beat.
Only played 5 times as #1 ranked team.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 04, 2017, 01:52:02 PM
Only played 5 times as #1 ranked team.
Took 13 seasons to get a NC
I'll celebrate Wojo's success when other teams storm the court when they beat us.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 01:36:32 PM
Bagpiping
Difference is, when Al was coach, MU actually was the number one team that others wanted to beat. Not #1 a ton of weeks, but top ten for a decade. Beating #1 is a big deal regardless of coach and glad they did it last year. I would much prefer being the team others want to beat.
Which I agree with but the point is you're never too big to have excitement about beating the number one team. Guru and Unleash claiming that we've fallen to the level of being excited about that win it patently false I don't care if it was the 70s or Wade, the big 3 or buzz teams all those eras would be and should be excited about beating the number 1 team in the country.
There have been some nice moments for Wojo, and beating Nova last year definitely counts. Remember when we beat #2 UConn in our first Big East game ever? That was huge and for some was one of the most memorable games they've been to.
But really, outside of beating Nova and landing Ellenson, I don't think Wojo has done anything that have set him apart. MU has won at UW against strong teams dozens of times, making the tournament is definitely nothing new, and scoring a bunch of points isn't all that great when you always give up a bunch of points too. He's going to need to have a much stronger list of accomplishments before I'm sold. (and yes, I'm fully aware that Wojo doesn't need or care about my approval)
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
Actually al beat the number one team. He just didn't do it in the regular season.
No he didn't. Marquette is 2-10 against the number one team. Kentucky in 2003 and Villanova in 2017. Unless the JS Online article from the Nova game was wrong...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/01/24/mu-74-villanova-72-golden-eagles-stun-aps-no-1/96989750/
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2017, 03:44:47 PM
No he didn't. Marquette is 2-10 against the number one team. Kentucky in 2003 and Villanova in 2017. Unless the JS Online article from the Nova game was wrong...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/01/24/mu-74-villanova-72-golden-eagles-stun-aps-no-1/96989750/
He refuses to acknowledge he was talking out of his a$$
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2017, 03:44:47 PM
No he didn't. Marquette is 2-10 against the number one team. Kentucky in 2003 and Villanova in 2017. Unless the JS Online article from the Nova game was wrong...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/01/24/mu-74-villanova-72-golden-eagles-stun-aps-no-1/96989750/
My mistake. Though he's still not the 1dst to beat a number 1. And still believe it'd not a humongous deal outside of that 1 year getting a post season bid.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 03:51:28 PM
My mistake. Though he's still not the 1dst to beat a number 1. And still believe it'd not a humongous deal outside of that 1 year getting a post season bid.
I have been to my share of games in the past couple decades since I started at Marquette. Without a doubt, those two wins, and I was at both, were the most electric moments for fans of games I've attended. Others have been big, but those had another level to them. That Villanova game, the postgame atmosphere was the best I've ever seen at the BC.
If you don't think that was a big deal, either you weren't there or you haven't experienced much basketball. No, it wasn't 1977, but I think you'd be hard pressed to say it wasn't top-10 since that night in Atlanta. And I'd think closer to the top half of that top-10 than the bottom.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
I have been to my share of games in the past couple decades since I started at Marquette. Without a doubt, those two wins, and I was at both, were the most electric moments for fans of games I've attended. Others have been big, but those had another level to them. That Villanova game, the postgame atmosphere was the best I've ever seen at the BC.
If you don't think that was a big deal, either you weren't there or you haven't experienced much basketball. No, it wasn't 1977, but I think you'd be hard pressed to say it wasn't top-10 since that night in Atlanta. And I'd think closer to the top half of that top-10 than the bottom.
I'm not saying it wasn't exciting or a big deal at the time. I'm saying that it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of Wojos coaching career. It happened. It wasn't a turning point in his career. We still struggled. At the end of the day it was a regular season W in what hopefully will be barely a footnote season in his career.
Now if it truly is his crowning moment and a big deal I don't see him coaching here in 2 years
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
I have been to my share of games in the past couple decades since I started at Marquette. Without a doubt, those two wins, and I was at both, were the most electric moments for fans of games I've attended. Others have been big, but those had another level to them. That Villanova game, the postgame atmosphere was the best I've ever seen at the BC.
If you don't think that was a big deal, either you weren't there or you haven't experienced much basketball. No, it wasn't 1977, but I think you'd be hard pressed to say it wasn't top-10 since that night in Atlanta. And I'd think closer to the top half of that top-10 than the bottom.
I have been to some great MU games through the years as a season ticket holder..at or near the top(for regular season games) was beating Cincy to clinch the regular season CUSA title. I never said the Nova win wasn't big..It was, I just wish it wasn't THAT big of a deal(ie, MU was at a level where beating #1 is a big win, it's NOT at court storming level...in other words, MU is a top 10 team or so, so beating #1 though an upset, isn't that monumental of one). My biggest issue with it, and what killed the vibe completely from that night, was turning around on Saturday and gagging one away to Providence. Wins like that should be springboards, should send teams on runs etc..it really didn't do that for MU at all. I remember many people on these boards proclaiming that a win like that can be "program changing". Anyone want to rethink that proclamation??
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
I'm not saying it wasn't exciting or a big deal at the time. I'm saying that it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of Wojos coaching career. It happened. It wasn't a turning point in his career. We still struggled. At the end of the day it was a regular season W in what hopefully will be barely a footnote season in his career.
Now if it truly is his crowning moment and a big deal I don't see him coaching here in 2 years
This +1000, as I noted in my post below, it was really an "isolated" incident, rather then a springboard for things for MU. I mean they turned right around that Saturday and gagged one away against Providence. They gained literally zero momentum from that win for the rest of the year. It was a great night, but that's all it was..ONE night. Like Ron Wolff once said "nothing more than a fart in the wind".
Quote from: muguru on December 04, 2017, 04:34:04 PM
This +1000, as I noted in my post below, it was really an "isolated" incident, rather then a springboard for things for MU. I mean they turned right around that Saturday and gagged one away against Providence. They gained literally zero momentum from that win for the rest of the year. It was a great night, but that's all it was..ONE night. Like Ron Wolff once said "nothing more than a fart in the wind".
Unfortunately, this is largely true. On one hand, it probably was the difference-maker for us getting into the tournament, but on the other, it didn't seem to change the way the team played after. It's a great feather in the cap, no doubt, but I don't think it will end up playing a role in the path this program is headed. And that is neither good nor bad, just neutral. It happened; nothing changed afterward.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 04, 2017, 02:39:20 PM
There have been some nice moments for Wojo, and beating Nova last year definitely counts. Remember when we beat #2 UConn in our first Big East game ever? That was huge and for some was one of the most memorable games they've been to.
But really, outside of beating Nova and landing Ellenson, I don't think Wojo has done anything that have set him apart. MU has won at UW against strong teams dozens of times,
Uhhh ... what?
Since 1985, Marquette is 5-13 in Madison.
Where are these "dozens" of wins over strong UW teams?
Wojo remains a work in progress, but let's not go writing fiction to take away one of his accomplishments.
Quote from: muguru on December 04, 2017, 04:30:39 PMI never said the Nova win wasn't big..It was, I just wish it wasn't THAT big of a deal(ie, MU was at a level where beating #1 is a big win, it's NOT at court storming level...in other words, MU is a top 10 team or so, so beating #1 though an upset, isn't that monumental of one).
Considering Al never beat #1, considering that prior to that night we had done it once in our history, it was always going to be that big. It would've been big in 1967, 1977, 2007, and was in 2017.
We all know you want Marquette to be viewed as a peer to Kentucky and Duke, but we're not there and haven't been close for 40+ years. It's worth enjoying what we have and not just a pie in the sky ideal that will most likely never happen again. I hope it does, I desperately want us to follow in Nova's footsteps, but even they are a couple steps away from the true blue bloods.
It'll take at least 6-10 years from now to reach your promised land and that kind of success can't be forced or rushed.
I want a season to remember not just a game to remember.
I remember Al as a Detroit Fan in my Teens. MU was just a good team that was a challenge to beat. Al called the UD field house a Zoo and it was! I remember DickieV and the few great years. Duerod, Long, Tyler. But not games so much. Did we ever beat MU? Need to google. But a great time with my dad down at UD.
I became a MU fan during Crean 2 Buzz. So I have similar though fresher memories of Buzz teams. Jimmy's And-1s, Jae and Devonte, I do remember the Davidson win. But it was the culmination of a nice NCAA birth season.
None of that yet from Wojo. I like him. Don't fire him! Give him 5 more years. I'm looking for seasons and players to remember. HE 1yr ehh. Markus will give us memories but need wins to back it up.
Done rattling on. That UGA Loss really bugs me.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2017, 04:50:33 PM
Considering Al never beat #1, considering that prior to that night we had done it once in our history, it was always going to be that big. It would've been big in 1967, 1977, 2007, and was in 2017.
We all know you want Marquette to be viewed as a peer to Kentucky and Duke, but we're not there and haven't been close for 40+ years. It's worth enjoying what we have and not just a pie in the sky ideal that will most likely never happen again. I hope it does, I desperately want us to follow in Nova's footsteps, but even they are a couple steps away from the true blue bloods.
It'll take at least 6-10 years from now to reach your promised land and that kind of success can't be forced or rushed.
I want one more National championship in my lifetime...That's it. I don't care if it means making an incredible unexpected run through the tourney, I don't care if it's because they were the best team in the country all season long. I just want that Natty, one more time. If that happens, honestly, if the program goes into obscurity after that, yeah it's be disappointing, but not devastating to me. They do that, whatever happens after that is what happens.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 01:36:32 PM
Bagpiping
Difference is, when Al was coach, MU actually was the number one team that others wanted to beat. Not #1 a ton of weeks, but top ten for a decade. Beating #1 is a big deal regardless of coach and glad they did it last year. I would much prefer being the team others want to beat.
Not true. UCLA was the number one team and we never played them.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
If our top positives are beating two teams who we used to beat all the time I think I'm a bit scared. (plus that Wisconsin team was just coming off an L to uwm right?)
Had we lost to Wisconsin, I believe Bo would of retired after that game with his last win against MU. Beating him made him hang around for one more game.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on December 04, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
If our top positives are beating two teams who we used to beat all the time I think I'm a bit scared. (plus that Wisconsin team was just coming off an L to uwm right?)
Good point.
This is why NC State should never celebrate a win over Duke, and Oregon State shouldn't make a big deal about beating Arizona.
bilsu
Not sure what you mean? You are saying we never played a game being ranked #1?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 04, 2017, 04:49:28 PM
Uhhh ... what?
Since 1985, Marquette is 5-13 in Madison.
Where are these "dozens" of wins over strong UW teams?
Wojo remains a work in progress, but let's not go writing fiction to take away one of his accomplishments.
Why did you pick '85 as your benchmark year? We've been playing against UW since The Great War. My point was that it's nothing new for an MU coach to win in Madison. Do we want this win more than most? Yes, absolutely. But let's not act like getting a win at the Kohl Center is enough for anyone to build a resume off of.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 04, 2017, 05:56:54 PM
Why did you pick '85 as your benchmark year? We've been playing against UW since The Great War. My point was that it's nothing new for an MU coach to win in Madison. Do we want this win more than most? Yes, absolutely. But let's not act like getting a win at the Kohl Center is enough for anyone to build a resume off of.
I have no idea why he picked it 1985.
But you said "strong" UW teams. Al, Hank and Rick never faced a UW team that made a post season tournament of any kind.
You exaggerated and were called on it.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 04, 2017, 05:56:54 PM
Why did you pick '85 as your benchmark year? We've been playing against UW since The Great War. My point was that it's nothing new for an MU coach to win in Madison. Do we want this win more than most? Yes, absolutely. But let's not act like getting a win at the Kohl Center is enough for anyone to build a resume off of.
OK, how many "strong" UW teams did Marquette beat in Madison before 1985? How many "strong" UW teams existed before 1985? They made two tournament appearances between 1898 and 1985.
I mean, I could have chosen 1994 but the point would have been the same.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 04, 2017, 06:02:49 PM
OK, how many "strong" UW teams did Marquette beat in Madison before 1985? How many "strong" UW teams existed before 1985? They made two tournament appearances between 1898 and 1985.
I mean, I could have chosen 1994 but the point would have been the same.
Choosing 1994 would barely give you dozens of matchups to even consider, so it would defeat the point.
At the end of the day, my point is clear. The pissing matches on Scoop are getting so obnoxious. It's all that happens on here lately since we can't be excited about basketball.
Quote from: skianth16 on December 04, 2017, 06:09:28 PM
Choosing 1994 would barely give you dozens of matchups to even consider, so it would defeat the point.
At the end of the day, my point is clear. The pissing matches on Scoop are getting so obnoxious. It's all that happens on here lately since we can't be excited about basketball.
*edit - choosing 1994 wouldn't even give you 2 dozen matchups
Quote from: skianth16 on December 04, 2017, 06:09:28 PM
Choosing 1994 would barely give you dozens of matchups to even consider, so it would defeat the point.
At the end of the day, my point is clear. The pissing matches on Scoop are getting so obnoxious. It's all that happens on here lately since we can't be excited about basketball.
No. Your point was inaccurate.
While MU dominated the rivalry for much of the time, it has become a one sided rivalry. The black sheep in the State has overcome MU and really cares little about the game. We are far down the rival list. Funny on how things change.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on December 04, 2017, 06:13:43 PM
No. Your point was inaccurate.
Fine. Swap the word "dozens" with the word "plenty" - it's the exact same point being made. We have won in Madison enough for it to not make a difference in whether a coach is considered worth keeping around or not. It's much different in terms of value to the program than beating a #1.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 05:30:55 PM
bilsu
Not sure what you mean? You are saying we never played a game being ranked #1?
No, but during the Al years as great as we were we were second fiddle to UCLA. Generally, UCLA was ranked No. 1 and sometimes we were ranked 2nd. During that time period UCLA had two of the greatest college centers of all time. 3 years of Alcinder and three years of Walton. The year between those two three year periods, if my memory serves me correct, UCLA won the national title with a 29-2 record. In a seven year period they won 7 national titles.
bilsu
Thank You for the history lesson. I think you should hit google and do some more digging. You are correct UCLA had a pretty good run and we were #2 during that run, but little more to the story.
Quote from: bilsu on December 04, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
No, but during the Al years as great as we were we were second fiddle to UCLA. Generally, UCLA was ranked No. 1 and sometimes we were ranked 2nd. During that time period UCLA had two of the greatest college centers of all time. 3 years of Alcinder and three years of Walton. The year between those two three year periods, if my memory serves me correct, UCLA won the national title with a 29-2 record. In a seven year period they won 7 national titles.
They may have won 7 straight at some time (too lazy to look it up) but they lost to NC State in the semis (MU lost to the Wolfpack in the finals) of what I think was Walton's senior year (1974).
Lenny
Might have been a bit better than seven and they did lose to NC State in semis in '74. Major disappointment to me that we did not face them in championship game.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 07:37:44 PM
Lenny
Might have been a bit better than seven and they did lose to NC State in semis in '74. Major disappointment to me that we did not face them in championship game.
Goose
Won 7 straight, but it was through Walton's junior year (1967-1973). Won 10 in (I think) a 12 year span.
Lenny
I was thinking if it was 9 out of 11 or 10 out of 12. Really wanted to play Walton in '74.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
While MU dominated the rivalry for much of the time, it has become a one sided rivalry. The black sheep in the State has overcome MU and really cares little about the game. We are far down the rival list. Funny on how things change.
Not if you go by online presence. That main Badger forum, Buckyville or whatever, obsesses a TON more about Marquette than Scoop does about them. They also spend more time trolling MU fans and accounts on Twitter. There are MU sites that obsess about Bucky almost as much, but certainly not this one.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
While MU dominated the rivalry for much of the time, it has become a one sided rivalry. The black sheep in the State has overcome MU and really cares little about the game. We are far down the rival list. Funny on how things change.
Definitely did not dominate it except for that Al and Rick chunk. Also don't think it's as one sided as you make it out to be. But maybe gauge for recent history is different than mine.
Wisconsin 15, Marquette 14
Wisconsin 23, Marquette 18
Marquette 9, Wisconsin 8
Wisconsin 27, Marquette 7
Wisconsin 42, Marquette 26
Wisconsin 29, Marquette 26
Wisconsin 29, Marquette 15
Wisconsin 29, Marquette 22
Marquette 16, Wisconsin 14
Marquette 26, Wisconsin 23
Wisconsin 18, Marquette 16
Marquette 18, Wisconsin 16
Marquette 22, Wisconsin 16
Wisconsin 32, Marquette 30
Marquette 28, Wisconsin 26
Wisconsin 29, Marquette 20
Marquette 33, Wisconsin 25
Wisconsin 35, Marquette 22
Wisconsin 46, Marquette 21
Wisconsin 29, Marquette 21
Wisconsin 35, Marquette 29
Marquette 32, Wisconsin 21
Marquette 38, Wisconsin 32
Wisconsin 27, Marquette 26
Marquette 46, Wisconsin 27
Wisconsin 46, Marquette 39
Marquette 41, Wisconsin 28
Wisconsin 38, Marquette 32
Marquette 40, Wisconsin 30
Wisconsin 35, Marquette 34
Wisconsin 36, Marquette 25
Wisconsin 45, Marquette 36
Wisconsin 50, Marquette 38
Marquette 51, Wisconsin 43
Wisconsin 40, Marquette 37
Wisconsin 45, Marquette 40
Wisconsin 46, Marquette 39
Wisconsin 42, Marquette 32
Marquette 62, Wisconsin 41
Wisconsin 65, Marquette 51
Marquette 55, Wisconsin 47
Wisconsin 57, Marquette 50
Wisconsin 67, Marquette 60
Wisconsin 67, Marquette 63
Wisconsin 60, Marquette 34
Wisconsin 63, Marquette 48
Wisconsin 62, Marquette 45
Wisconsin 49, Marquette 42
Marquette 61, Wisconsin 58
Wisconsin 48, Marquette 46
Marquette 51, Wisconsin 47
Wisconsin 76, Marquette 55
Wisconsin 64, Marquette 56
Marquette 76, Wisconsin 47
Marquette 84, Wisconsin 66
Wisconsin 55, Marquette 51
Marquette 92, Wisconsin 75
Wisconsin 76, Marquette 58
Wisconsin 70, Marquette 56
Wisconsin 72, Marquette 68
Marquette 62, Wisconsin 61
Marquette 59, Wisconsin 58
Wisconsin 73, Marquette 72
Marquette 66, Wisconsin 60
Wisconsin 77, Marquette 65
Marquette 71, Wisconsin 56
Marquette 59, Wisconsin 56 (OT) Wisconsin 56, Marquette 50
Marquette 64, Wisconsin 43
Marquette 60, Wisconsin 51
Marquette 72, Wisconsin 69
Marquette 89, Wisconsin 75
Marquette 72, Wisconsin 60
Marquette 75, Wisconsin 73 (2OT) Marquette 64, Wisconsin 58
Marquette 49, Wisconsin 48 (OT) Marquette 59, Wisconsin 58
Marquette 69, Wisconsin 63
Marquette 78, Wisconsin 54
Marquette 82, Wisconsin 66
Marquette 64, Wisconsin 57
Marquette 73, Wisconsin 58
Marquette 75, Wisconsin 64
Wisconsin 65, Marquette 52
Wisconsin 57, Marquette 56
Marquette 64, Wisconsin 53
Marquette 94, Wisconsin 64
Marquette 68, Wisconsin 62
Marquette 74, Wisconsin 59
Wisconsin 75, Marquette 74
Marquette 84, Wisconsin 71
Wisconsin 66, Marquette 55
Wisconsin 70, Marquette 55
Wisconsin 61, Marquette 50
Wisconsin 63, Marquette 58 (OT) Wisconsin 82, Marquette 65
Marquette 69, Wisconsin 58
Wisconsin 81, Marquette 63
Wisconsin 77, Marquette 67
#17 Wisconsin 71, Marquette 52 Marquette 80, #19 Wisconsin 65 Wisconsin 55, Marquette 46
Marquette 59, Wisconsin 52
Marquette 65, Wisconsin 60
#20 Wisconsin 61, Marquette 45 Wisconsin 86, Marquette 74
#16 Wisconsin 52, Marquette 47 Wisconsin 86, Marquette 73
Marquette 63, Wisconsin 54
#22 Wisconsin 63, Marquette 59 Marquette 63, #22 Wisconsin 54 Wisconsin 77, Marquette 63
#11 Wisconsin 70, Marquette 66 Marquette 81, #23 Wisconsin 76 Marquette 61, Wisconsin 58
#20 Wisconsin 72, Marquette 63 Wisconsin 69, Marquette 64
#16 Marquette 61, #9 Wisconsin 54 Marquette 60, Wisconsin 50
#8 Wisconsin 70, Marquette 64
#2 Wisconsin 49, Marquette 38 Marquette 57, Wisconsin 55
#17 Wisconsin 93, Marquette 84
Marquette 9, Wisconsin 8
That was a battle.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2017, 01:25:05 PM
Because I believe we will have a number of NCAA Tournament wins between now and the 2nd week of April 2019.
Ah. Embarrassed that I didn't surmise that. I think (and hope) you're right!