Lol at anybody who thought we might lose and/or that this would be a close game. With or without Howard/Elliott. It's Mount Saint Mary's at Marquette for cripe's sake. What a joke.
That's about all I've got. I take as much away from this game as I took away from the Lindenwood exhibition...nothing. Let's just hope for good health this second half.
I agree with you....but if you just jinxed us
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 10, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
I agree with you....but if you just jinxed us
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Lol. I'm that confident. We're up 25+ before Wojo decides we can let the gas off late 2nd.
Glad everyone played and that MU won big. Just kept seeing 7 players dressed and a combination of foul trouble and raining 3's.
Oops.
The freshman, Sacar and Cheatam lineup is a disaster currently
Starters eating cupcakes.
Freshman being freshman.
NU squeezes by L MD. MU's scrimmage RPI just dropped our seeding....
Theo might be a project.
Didn't see the game but noticed Marquette scored 2 points the last 7:18. How is that possible?
Rowsey let the kids play without any pressure. They got their feet wet. I learned nothing. Cool.
How talented is this Freshman class?
I had worries about Belmont going in....I'm a worrier
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on November 10, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
How talented is this Freshman class?
Not a lot to see tonight. One nice drive and dunk from Cain, but other than that, just some normal freshman nerves. Theo needs a ton of work. Thank God for Feeling.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 10, 2017, 10:19:06 PM
I had worries about Belmont going in....I'm a worrier
MSM is not what Belmont was. Nor is MU what MU was.
Fun game. Hopefully we can keep the energy for Purdont!
Quote from: skianth16 on November 10, 2017, 10:20:56 PM
Not a lot to see tonight. One nice drive and dunk from Cain, but other than that, just some normal freshman nerves. Theo needs a ton of work. Thank God for Feeling.
Thank God for Feeling! It's a sense that often gets overlooked.
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on November 10, 2017, 10:26:02 PM
Thank God for Feeling! It's a sense that often gets overlooked.
#Paralysis-sucks
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on November 10, 2017, 10:26:02 PM
Thank God for Feeling! It's a sense that often gets overlooked.
I feel you.
I do wish we had a player named ACE. That was fun when he played. Made me think of Ace Ventura!
Hey! DJO's Jaw mentioned this:
But how about the students tonight? That was a very respectable turnout for this lever of a game on a Friday night.
After tonight I continue to believe we will finish 3rd in the Big East and make it to second weekend of NCAA.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 10, 2017, 10:54:27 PM
After tonight I continue to believe we will finish 3rd in the Big East and make it to second weekend of NCAA.
But only if Ike "The Neck" Ike doesn't red shirt, ai-na?
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 10, 2017, 10:54:27 PM
After tonight I continue to believe we will finish 3rd in the Big East and make it to second weekend of NCAA.
Didn't you say this before tonight?
Quote from: WE R FINAL FOUR on November 10, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
Didn't you say this before tonight?
Yes re confirming my posture.
I'm so happy to see our starting center not have 4 stupid fouls at the end of the 1st half. I'm in love with heldt so far
Anyone else notice Morrow wasn't on the bench?? I thought that was odd
Yes and yes.
Quote from: Boone on November 10, 2017, 11:32:24 PM
Yes and yes.
I hope it's not anything to be worried about
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 10, 2017, 10:04:13 PM
Didn't see the game but noticed Marquette scored 2 points the last 7:18. How is that possible?
Took the air out of the ball. We were up by 36. Cam made it in with like 3:30 left IIRC.
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 10, 2017, 09:58:24 PM
Theo might be a project.
He had some rough moments, but he also grabbed 6 rebounds (tied for most) in 13 minutes (2nd least). He'll learn how to play the refs so he doesn't get called for so many fouls.
Freshmen showed flashes. Defensive rotations were by and large good. They stomped on an opponent early.
Good warm up for Purdue.
Listening to Homer, it sounded like things really bogged down when the 3 freshmen were in the game with Sacar and Haanif. And that is OK. I think they will all have solid careers at MU. I just don't think any of them are going to be consistent difference makers this season.
MU allowed 69.6% 2FG%. That's worse than any game in all of last season.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 11, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
MU allowed 69.6% 2FG%. That's worse than any game in all of last season.
Do you have a first half / second half breakdown of that stat?
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on November 11, 2017, 08:43:44 AM
Do you have a first half / second half breakdown of that stat?
Fair point, although we had games last year where subs were in.
4/10
12/13
Yeah I just thought the defense was fine when the regular rotation was in. (First 30 or so minutes.) The freshmen really had breakdowns on both ends. I'm good with that because it's a learning experience.
Hard to take too much from a cupcake win (and contrary to several posts before the game, MSM was a cupcake).
That said:
* I was pretty pleased with specific aspects of Sacar and Haanif's games. Sacar clearly has a comfort level on offense that he didn't have as a frosh (OMG, he can actually drive to the hoop!), and watching Haanif score with his right hand was encouraging.
* It was great to see Matty playing D without fouling. Hopefully, he can keep that up as the level of competition improves.
* As others have said, Theo needs work. However, he clearly has a Big East body, which will serve us well as he gains experience. Because we're currently thin up front, he will get plenty of minutes until Froling is eligible.
When we went to the 3 Frosh, Sacar and Cheatham the wheels fell off. It made normal garbage time look like a hotly contested NCAA game by comparison is was so bad. But let's not read too much into all that.
I do think there was a 'first'. When Wojo had seen enough and replaced that entire crowd in a hockey line substitution during a TO, Cam came into the game with the regulars. Then, a minute later when Wojo had made his point and substituted the Frosh lineup back in, Marotta returned to the bench. I believe, but am not certain, that it represented the very first time Cam had ever been subbed OUT. Don't read anything into that, he had been fine on the floor. It was almost like the Frosh lineup hadn't earned the right to play with the hard nosed Junior. All good.
One more quick thought.
If a MU player even breathed on a guy those officials were calling fouls. That Rowsey charge was one of the softest calls I have ever seen. A feather could have knocked that guy over in the biggest flop I remember. Chick said it reminded her of one of those fake soccer penalties.
Andrew makes a big difference out there at point. We saw Markus struggle out there in the exhibition.
Haanif and Elliott are also struggling. Both had high turnover rates last night, and that span was ugly. In both games so far, Wojo has tried to give both time at the 1. Let's hope Andrew stays healthy.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 11, 2017, 09:10:55 AM
Andrew makes a big difference out there at point. We saw Markus struggle out there in the exhibition.
Haanif and Elliott are also struggling. Both had high turnover rates last night, and that span was ugly. In both games so far, Wojo has tried to give both time at the 1. Let's hope Andrew stays healthy.
Agree. Haanif looked good when he played off the ball, but he is not a PG.
In a less-than-four-minute stretch (17:10 to 13:12), MU had 0 freshmen on the floor and allowed MSM 5/5 2FG.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 11, 2017, 09:41:25 AM
In a less-than-four-minute stretch (17:10 to 13:12), MU had 0 freshmen on the floor and allowed MSM 5/5 2FG.
Thank you. I think I stopped paying attention by that point.
MSM's coach is a Shaka acolyte. They attempted to press and create mayhem. The combination of Andrew and Sam handled it nearly effortlessly. Contrast that with how Howard handled double teams last game. 5th year senior versus 18 year old. Right now, this is a young team with no more size than last year. Keep expectations in check.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2017, 10:24:34 AM
MSM's coach is a Shaka acolyte. They attempted to press and create mayhem. The combination of Andrew and Sam handled it nearly effortlessly. Contrast that with how Howard handled double teams last game. 5th year senior versus 18 year old. Right now, this is a young team with no more size than last year. Keep expectations in check.
This team's effective height (important relative to defense, generally) will be better than last season. Need to keep def 2FG% in check.
We will see. I saw improvements over the Lindenwood game, but walking out of the game I fully expect to lose to Purdue.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2017, 10:24:34 AM
MSM's coach is a Shaka acolyte. They attempted to press and create mayhem. The combination of Andrew and Sam handled it nearly effortlessly. Contrast that with how Howard handled double teams last game. 5th year senior versus 18 year old. Right now, this is a young team with no more size than last year. Keep expectations in check.
We all will know more after Tuesday, playing an experienced team that has everybody back but Swanigan. I sort like the idea of starting Anim and Cheatham instead
of the 2 pigmys. Need a little more height. I thought Cheatman played really well, even used his right hand to score a lay-up. But with him, lets see what he does
Tuesday with a real big man in the middle. He played last year against good teams poorly, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. If he plays within the flow he will be
fine. One thing I did see over last year, is that Sam really has filled out and is much bigger, looks like he can guard and rebound at the 4. It will be very interesting to
see what happens next year with Morrow and Hauser coming in, and Froling. The team might look alot different. College size for a change, not undersized. What might hold MU back is the point guard next year. Hanif might be the point. Howard, Hanif, Hauser Morrow, Heldt. It will be interesting to see where Anim fits next
year. With Anim, Froling, Joey, Elliott, Cain and John, that is alot of depth. If Bailey brings anything to the table, it will be a fight for PT time. Ike really should have
redshirt his sophomore season. To deep next year and even the following year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 11, 2017, 09:41:25 AM
In a less-than-four-minute stretch (17:10 to 13:12), MU had 0 freshmen on the floor and allowed MSM 5/5 2FG.
I must have been in the overpriced beer line! No doubt, our energy fell off in the second half.
Quote from: jsglow on November 11, 2017, 11:05:59 AM
I must have been in the overpriced beer line! No doubt, our energy fell off in the second half.
Well, to be fair, we were ahead by about 40 points at the beginning of that period, so I doubt we were killing ourselves playing D.
Any word on no Morrow on the bench yesterday?
i see a few beating down MU for scheduling the mounties, but in all fairness, was this put together before their 3 studs transferred to higher profile D-1's?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 11, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
Any word on no Morrow on the bench yesterday?
FWIW, he also does not appear to be in the picture MU posted of the team watching tape on Purdue this am. Eke and the walkons were. Sick? Away from the team for some other reason?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 11, 2017, 03:43:00 PM
i see a few beating down MU for scheduling the mounties, but in all fairness, was this put together before their 3 studs transferred to higher profile D-1's?
Whose beating down MU for scheduling MSM? Also, MU didn't schedule them. They were assigned to us by the Maui Invitational
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 11, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
Whose beating down MU for scheduling MSM? Also, MU didn't schedule them. They were assigned to us by the Maui Invitational
ok, a few just seemed kinda indirectly critical, probably a little OD with the french press this afternoon ;D
Fun fact six years ago today we beat mt St. Mary's by 54pts
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 11, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
Any word on no Morrow on the bench yesterday?
Dodds says he was/is in Chicago for a family issue.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 11, 2017, 03:43:00 PM
i see a few beating down MU for scheduling the mounties, but in all fairness, was this put together before their 3 studs transferred to higher profile D-1's?
Anyone complaining about this year's schedule quality, in particular the MSM game, is an idiot for multiple reasons.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 11, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
MU allowed 69.6% 2FG%. That's worse than any game in all of last season.
Another possible caveat on this stat is that Mt. St. Mary's took 28 3's and only 23 2's, which is (after one game) top 10 in 3 point attempt rate. They're really looking for the 3 ball and wouldn't have taken the 2 if it was a low percentage shot. In other words, they're only taking the easy 2's?
Quote from: THRILLHO on November 12, 2017, 07:23:28 AM
Another possible caveat on this stat is that Mt. St. Mary's took 28 3's and only 23 2's, which is (after one game) top 10 in 3 point attempt rate. They're really looking for the 3 ball and wouldn't have taken the 2 if it was a low percentage shot. In other words, they're only taking the easy 2's?
That and no one could stay in front of Junior Robinson. That kid is quick as hell. But as a team they shot very well from inside the arc, so it wasn't just Robinson (his 9/13 was actually below the team average, albeit marginally).
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 12, 2017, 12:25:38 PM
That and no one could stay in front of Junior Robinson. That kid is quick as hell. But as a team they shot very well from inside the arc, so it wasn't just Robinson (his 9/13 was actually below the team average, albeit marginally).
Fire Wojo!
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 12, 2017, 12:25:38 PM
That and no one could stay in front of Junior Robinson. That kid is quick as hell. But as a team they shot very well from inside the arc, so it wasn't just Robinson (his 9/13 was actually below the team average, albeit marginally).
Robinson looked like one of those kids who would be at a high major if he was about 6 inches taller
Was really encouraging seeing Haanif play well and use his right hand, we have a young team with tons of potential, hopefully we can beat purdue add a really good win to our schedule
As Wojo said, lindenwood was all he could have hoped for in a pre-season foe.
As for MSM, we wanted to see if rowsey would take care of the 1 and he did fine...(except as mentioned, that number "0" disappearing in front of him a few times).
Really interested in how we do with Purdue. I understand they look like an Iowa (remember that nightmare!). But I have more hope now than before MSM.
Quote from: MUBigDance on November 12, 2017, 10:40:28 PM
As Wojo said, lindenwood was all he could have hoped for in a pre-season foe.
As for MSM, we wanted to see if rowsey would take care of the 1 and he did fine...(except as mentioned, that number "0" disappearing in front of him a few times).
Really interested in how we do with Purdue. I understand they look like an Iowa (remember that nightmare!). But I have more hope now than before MSM.
Why was everyone worried about Rowsey at pg? He did it all of last year.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on November 12, 2017, 10:46:21 PM
Why was everyone worried about Rowsey at pg? He did it all of last year.
I think the concern stems from the failed attempts at trying Howard. Rowsey right now is the only 1. And last year he didn't carry the whole load all year. There were opportunities for him to play the 2. The MSM game he was thee point guard.