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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on October 31, 2017, 10:00:06 AM
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PG: Howard, Elliot
SG: Anim, Cheatham,
SF: Hauser, Bailey, Cain
PF: Hauser, John, Morrow
C: Heldt, Froling, Eke (likely RS, IMO)
Grimes would make that team better. And I like the balance that adding another guard would bring. But keep that group together after a year of growth and development? I will take that right now and cannot wait.
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Sr Cheatham would be over Anim I think. I also imagine Morrow is above Joey.
I agree though that’s a solid core right there, could almost do buzz’s line changes with that line up.
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I wasn't actually ranking them in starting order, just the order they popped into my head. You can mix and match any way you want and still have a solid 5 on the floor.
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I wasn't actually ranking them in starting order, just the order they popped into my head. You can mix and match any way you want and still have a solid 5 on the floor.
My bad!
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Not really. It is easy to see those 5 starting. But it is equally easy to picture Anim starting at the 2, John starting at the 4, Froling at the 5, etc. My overarching point is that, assuming they stick around and assuming development, the team is going to be loaded in 18-19. And that while having Grimes would be awesome, there will still be an exciting season if he goes elsewhere.
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That team looks very exciting on paper, and even the next year we would hypothetically have everyone back but Cheatham and Heldt. The year after could be even better. But I’m getting way ahead of myself.
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C John
PF Morrow
SF Sam
SG Haanif
PG Howard
2 power rebounders with three scorers.
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C John
PF Morrow
SF Sam
SG Haanif
PG Howard
2 power rebounders with three scorers.
I would be very happy with that group, but the best is the group of subs as well. Froling, Heldt, Hauser, Anim and Elliott and did not even mention Cain, practice
will be intense for sure.
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C John
PF Morrow
SF Sam
SG Haanif
PG Howard
2 power rebounders with three scorers.
Or Harry, Morrow, Sam, Sacar, Howard. I love the possibilities. Honestly, the only ones I can feel comfortable projecting as starters in 18-19 are Markus and Sam. Everything else is up for grabs. And that is a good thing.
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C John
PF Morrow
SF Sam
SG Haanif
PG Howard
2 power rebounders with three scorers.
That is a 1970s style MU lineup.
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We could also land the best plug and play grad transfer this spring. We will be a much more attractive destination for a kid like Damion Lee who wants to move up and win on the big stage.
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Morrow gonna' play, and Morrow gonna' be good.
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After he gets some experience, Ike is going to be an intimidating player. Really looking forward to seeing the young man develop.
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After he gets some experience, Ike is going to be an intimidating player. Really looking forward to seeing the young man develop.
You've mentioned that once or twice, IIRC.
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After he gets some experience, Ike is going to be an intimidating player. Really looking forward to seeing the young man develop.
Agreed. Young man has only played ball for 4 years. He's athletic and strong. I really do believe he's a strong red shirt candidate next year if the Sacar experience turns out positive.
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Agreed. Young man has only played ball for 4 years. He's athletic and strong. I really do believe he's a strong red shirt candidate next year if the Sacar experience turns out positive.
I've decided healthy redshirting is dumb. Probably a 50/50 chance Sacar bounces after his junior year to be a grad transfer. Why wouldn't you? Go spend a year somewhere warm and play some ball with some fresh faces. Until they change the grad transfer rule, I just don't think redshirting makes much sense unless there extenuating circumstances (injury, illness, legitimately won't see floor, etc).
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I've decided healthy redshirting is dumb. Probably a 50/50 chance Sacar bounces after his junior year to be a grad transfer. Why wouldn't you? Go spend a year somewhere warm and play some ball with some fresh faces. Until they change the grad transfer rule, I just don't think redshirting makes much sense unless there extenuating circumstances (injury, illness, legitimately won't see floor, etc).
It's not even close to a 50/50 split for students who are grad transfer eligible who actually take advantage of it. Most stay with their programs. Why would you leave if you like where you are?
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I've decided healthy redshirting is dumb. Probably a 50/50 chance Sacar bounces after his junior year to be a grad transfer. Why wouldn't you? Go spend a year somewhere warm and play some ball with some fresh faces. Until they change the grad transfer rule, I just don't think redshirting makes much sense unless there extenuating circumstances (injury, illness, legitimately won't see floor, etc).
You mean like Sacar last year and possibly Ike next year?
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It's not even close to a 50/50 split for students who are grad transfer eligible who actually take advantage of it. Most stay with their programs. Why would you leave if you like where you are?
Partially hyperbole, but most guys who get a 5th year have already transferred at least once. With transfers today, it’s tough to develop and groom and guy for 4 years and you nkt even get the benefit.
You mean like Sacar last year and possibly Ike next year?
Sacar would have seen some time last year. A little early to say that about sophomore Eke. I suppose if you have 13 eligible scholarship players, go ahead in certain circumstances. But it can also burn you...that’s all I’m saying.
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I am not seeing a scenario where Joey doesn’t start...It’s not everyday a talent like that with his height sits. Regardless, it’s awesome that it’s even a topic of conversation. I am very excited for the next couple of years. Would love to see a Howard, Grimes, Hauser, Hauser, John lineup with a lot of depth on the bench.
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Bump. Time to focus on what MU has.
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Bump. Time to focus on what MU has.
What Tower said.
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I am not seeing a scenario where Joey doesn’t start...It’s not everyday a talent like that with his height sits. Regardless, it’s awesome that it’s even a topic of conversation. I am very excited for the next couple of years. Would love to see a Howard, Grimes, Hauser, Hauser, John lineup with a lot of depth on the bench.
I do not see why you think he will start. Plays much like Sam, not quick off his feet. I see a center (Heldt, Froling or John), then I see Morrow who is built like a tank,
and really will be a 4th year senior, then I see Sam, he is not sitting and then 2 guards. Joey will be first player off the bench at either forward spots and will play 20-25 minutes. Very experienced time, Joey will have to wait his turn.
There is 1 possibility, if Morrow starts at Center. But in practice he is not working there.
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I do not see why you think he will start. Plays much like Sam, not quick off his feet. I see a center (Heldt, Froling or John), then I see Morrow who is built like a tank,
and really will be a 4th year senior, then I see Sam, he is not sitting and then 2 guards. Joey will be first player off the bench at either forward spots and will play 20-25 minutes. Very experienced time, Joey will have to wait his turn.
There is 1 possibility, if Morrow starts at Center. But in practice he is not working there.
Morrow transferred from Nebraska because he didn't want to play the 5. I suspect he'll see a little time there when MU goes small, but he is primarily going to play the 4, and maybe even a little SF.
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Morrow transferred from Nebraska because he didn't want to play the 5. I suspect he'll see a little time there when MU goes small, but he is primarily going to play the 4, and maybe even a little SF.
And McKay transferred from MU because he didn't want to play the 5. So he went to Iowa State ... where he played the 5.
You tell the kid, "I fully intended to play you at the 4 but stuff happened, and everybody in the program really appreciates you being the great team player and leader you are!"
Not saying that will happen with Morrow at MU, but it's happened before countless times at programs from sea to shining sea, and it will happen again.
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My WAY too early stab at the 18-19 rotation:
PG: Howard
SG: Cheatham
SF: S Hauser
PF: Morrow
C: John
J Hauser
Anim
Froling
Heldt
Elliott
Cain
Bailey
Eke (Redshirt)
Ridiculously deep....except at PG. We are one Markus injury away from Buzz' last season.
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My WAY too early stab at the 18-19 rotation:
PG: Howard
SG: Cheatham
SF: S Hauser
PF: Morrow
C: John
J Hauser
Anim
Froling
Heldt
Elliott
Cain
Bailey
Eke (Redshirt)
Ridiculously deep....except at PG. We are one Markus injury away from Buzz' last season.
This is all based on the idea that Elliott isn’t a diamond in the ruff though. If he truly is then we’ve got ourselves decently covered if Markus goes down
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1) Howard - Elliott - Cheatham
2) Cheatham - Anim - Elliot - Cain
3) Sam Hauser - Bailey - Cain - Anim
4) Joey Hauser - Morrow - Froling - Sam Hauser
5) Morrow - John - Heldt - Froling
Eke redshirt.
I think there are 3 pros (Hauser, Hauser, Bailey) and one of the best college players we have had in a long, long time (Howard) on this roster. I think Howard would be a pro if he was 4 inches taller. I think Bailey is going to be as under-hyped as Davante was coming into MU, and be even better for MU than Davante was.
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1) Howard - Elliott - Cheatham
2) Cheatham - Anim - Elliot - Cain
3) Sam Hauser - Bailey - Cain - Anim
4) Joey Hauser - Morrow - Froling - Sam Hauser
5) Morrow - John - Heldt - Froling
Eke redshirt.
I think there are 3 pros (Hauser, Hauser, Bailey) and one of the best college players we have had in a long, long time (Howard) on this roster. I think Howard would be a pro if he was 4 inches taller. I think Bailey is going to be as under-hyped as Davante was coming into MU, and be even better for MU than Davante was.
I don’t doubt that Joey will be really good, but Morrow averaged 9.4 and 7.5 in the B1G plus will have a year to have developed, studied the system and work out, I don’t think he sits behind Joey.
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I agree, Joey is a finesse player and a good one. He is not a one and done type player but will fit in with what MU has. Morrow is more like David Boone, junk yard
dog. With John and Morrow, MU can finally not be undersized in the Big East.
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I don’t doubt that Joey will be really good, but Morrow averaged 9.4 and 7.5 in the B1G plus will have a year to have developed, studied the system and work out, I don’t think he sits behind Joey.
That is why I have Morrow starting at the 5 next to Joey. We don't need 2 guys with identical skillsets that aren't overly versatile on the court at the same time except in certain situations (need a defensive stop to close out a game, etc.). That is what Morrow and John are (and Heldt, for that matter). I don't think you want two of those guys starting. So then one of Joey or Froling is most likely starting with one of Morrow or John (or maybe both Joey and Froling start and none of Heldt, John, or Morrow start).
In my mind, you get the 5 best players on your roster on the court as much as you can and you work out the roles from there. I think Joey will be one of our best 5 players next year.
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My depth chart for 2018-19:
PG: Howard
SG: Cheatham
SF: S. Hauser
PF: Morrow
C: Froling
Bench Order: J. Hauser, Elliott, Anim, John, Cain, Heldt, Bailey, Eke (RS)
I think the first four off the bench see meaningful minutes every game. I could easily see Anim and Cain swapped, or Heldt and John, but I do think Joey and Elliott are the two guys that effectively give you cover at 1-5 depending on lineups. Elliott might not be second in minutes off the bench, but I do think he'll play consistently because Markus will need some rest.
All that said, I've got our highest rated 2017 recruit (Cain) out of the main mix as well as a true senior with experience in Heldt. On paper, this is the deepest Marquette team I've seen in my lifetime and it's not even close. If our 12th man is a 20-year-old freshman who was consensus top-100, that's pretty impressive. The only thing missing is point guard depth. This team could be Sweet 16 or better, but is a Markus Howard injury away from being NIT if Elliott isn't ready to steer the ship.
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Bump. Time to focus on what MU has.
How about focusing on 17-18? ;D
Trying to determine the starting lineup a year from now is like trying to determine whether it is going to rain or not on the first gameday. A lot of stuff that we can't predict is going to happen between then and now, and there are a lot of variables.
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1) Howard - Elliott - Cheatham
2) Cheatham - Anim - Elliot - Cain
3) Sam Hauser - Bailey - Cain - Anim
4) Joey Hauser - Morrow - Froling - Sam Hauser
5) Morrow - John - Heldt - Froling
Eke redshirt.
I think there are 3 pros (Hauser, Hauser, Bailey) and one of the best college players we have had in a long, long time (Howard) on this roster. I think Howard would be a pro if he was 4 inches taller. I think Bailey is going to be as under-hyped as Davante was coming into MU, and be even better for MU than Davante was.
I agree on Morrow and Joey being in the starting 5 - just too good to sit. Cheatham or Sacar starting at the 2 is our only weakness. With QG at the point and Markus at the 2 this team would have been really, really good.
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Unless injuries hit, the success of any season doesn't depend on the talent or readiness of the 11th man. Those guys are 'future development', always important for long term success at programs like MU. Our success in any year depends on 7-8 guys, all of whom need to be able to play effectively. 2-3 need to be second team all Big East or better for us to compete near the top of the conference or go deep in the dance. Who are those guys next year? Time will tell. More importantly, who are those guys right now? I'll watch with interest again Saturday.
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We certainly will have a lot of talented players on our team in 2018-19. I most looking forward to Morrow's contribution as well as seeing how quickly Brendan Bailey can transform his body into being D1 ready. I understand Bailey has grown and added meaningful weight, which combined with his maturity should make him a real force.
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We certainly will have a lot of talented players on our team in 2018-19. I most looking forward to Morrow's contribution as well as seeing how quickly Brendan Bailey can transform his body into being D1 ready. I understand Bailey has grown and added meaningful weight, which combined with his maturity should make him a real force.
Obviously you are not Wojo
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Unless injuries hit, the success of any season doesn't depend on the talent or readiness of the 11th man. Those guys are 'future development', always important for long term success at programs like MU. Our success in any year depends on 7-8 guys, all of whom need to be able to play effectively. 2-3 need to be second team all Big East or better for us to compete near the top of the conference or go deep in the dance. Who are those guys next year? Time will tell. More importantly, who are those guys right now? I'll watch with interest again Saturday.
My excitement derives from my perception that we have 3 All Big East caliber players in Markus, Sam and Rowsey. We have two solid Experienced players in Haanif ( who is on mock draft boards)and Matt Heldt. That starting 5 is solid . Sacar has the ability to be a solid Big East player . We then have 4 newcomers who can give us a athletic energy minutes and 1 newcomer who can provide some offensive depth. I think the 5 newcomers combined can give us a total of 15- 20 quality minutes a game. I am very confident in our teams success this year.
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My excitement derives from my perception that we have 3 All Big East caliber players in Markus, Sam and Rowsey. We have two solid Experienced players in Haanif ( who is on mock draft boards)and Matt Heldt. That starting 5 is solid . Sacar has the ability to be a solid Big East player . We then have 4 newcomers who can give us a athletic energy minutes and 1 newcomer who can provide some offensive depth. I think the 5 newcomers combined can give us a total of 15- 20 quality minutes a game. I am very confident in our teams success this year.
I love the optimism, but what draft boards is Haanif on? I am hoping he bounces back with a good year, but I can't imagine he's on any mocks right now.
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I love the optimism, but what draft boards is Haanif on? I am hoping he bounces back with a good year, but I can't imagine he's on any mocks right now.
Its more of a grassroots movement.
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I love the optimism, but what draft boards is Haanif on? I am hoping he bounces back with a good year, but I can't imagine he's on any mocks right now.
I saw the one he is talking about. Had Haanif at the end of the 2nd round. Within the last month or so too, because I remember I was looking for Grimes on it. Nbadraft.net sounds right but i can’t find it anymore so who knows.
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I saw the one he is talking about. Had Haanif at the end of the 2nd round. Within the last month or so too, because I remember I was looking for Grimes on it. Nbadraft.net sounds right but i can’t find it anymore so who knows.
Haanif was 59th on nbadraft.net but he is not on the most recent iteration .
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I think the only starters we can be sure of for 18-19 are Howard, Sam, and Morrow, assuming good health. That in and of itself is impressive.
Then when you look at the rest of the names battling for starting spots and playing time, it's pretty f'n impressive.
I'm not discounting this season and obviously a lot can and will change but 18-19 can be special. If anyone has any expectations that don't include the second weekend I strongly disagree.
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The 5 core “bigs” are Hauser, John, Froling, Heldt and Morrow. Our offense will be way more dynamic if John and Morrow are not on the court together. Hauser and Froling can stretch defenses so I think you will see (more than not) combos like Hauser/John Morrow/Froling Etc. John/Morrow would be huge for rebounding, but that lineup wouldn’t really stretch things out...Let’s also not forget about Heldt. He looks quicker and leaner this year and think he could surprise people. Hardest worker on the team.
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I think the only starters we can be sure of for 18-19 are Howard, Sam, and Morrow, assuming good health. That in and of itself is impressive.
Then when you look at the rest of the names battling for starting spots and playing time, it's pretty f'n impressive.
I'm not discounting this season and obviously a lot can and will change but 18-19 can be special. If anyone has any expectations that don't include the second weekend I strongly disagree.
Yep, I'll join your Parade with Gusto.
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It better be:
Howard
Cain
Hauser
Hauser
And "OTHER BIG" depending on the opposing match-up......Froling.....Morrow....John.....Heidt.....
I can also seem them going very small with Bailey......Bailey is really really a skilled player.....Maybe some rust.....But you are getting a 3rd year physically developed player as a freshman.....Who from has been said....Can really shoot......Hauser....Hauser ....Bailey....Froling.....for short periods of shooting (any 3).....
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It better be:
Howard
Cain
Hauser
Hauser
And "OTHER BIG" depending on the opposing match-up......Froling.....Morrow....John.....Heidt.....
I can also seem them going very small with Bailey......Bailey is really really a skilled player.....Maybe some rust.....But you are getting a 3rd year physically developed player as a freshman.....Who from has been said....Can really shoot......Hauser....Hauser ....Bailey....Froling.....for short periods of shooting (any 3).....
Haanif will be starting.
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Hannif could range anywhere from 'transfer" to "starting" to "starring".....
I hope it is starring......
It is up to him at this point....
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And McKay transferred from MU because he didn't want to play the 5. So he went to Iowa State ... where he played the 5.
You tell the kid, "I fully intended to play you at the 4 but stuff happened, and everybody in the program really appreciates you being the great team player and leader you are!"
Not saying that will happen with Morrow at MU, but it's happened before countless times at programs from sea to shining sea, and it will happen again.
Sure. But Morrow isn't a 5, and we're going to have plenty of other options there during his tenure. He'll probably play the 5 some when we go small, but not the majority of the time.
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My WAY too early stab at the 18-19 rotation:
PG: Howard
SG: Cheatham
SF: S Hauser
PF: Morrow
C: John
J Hauser
Anim
Froling
Heldt
Elliott
Cain
Bailey
Eke (Redshirt)
Ridiculously deep....except at PG. We are one Markus injury away from Buzz' last season.
I have no doubts that we will have another PG on the roster next year - either a recruit or grad transfer.
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Dont forget Joey is a very good ballhandler and brings the ball up a lot for Spash. I wouldn't doubt if in some sets / situations we see him at the point if necessary
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Magic Hauser?
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A jumbo line up of Markus, Sam, Joey, Morrow and pick one of Froling, Heldt or Theo could be pretty interesting as well. I don’t expect to see a lot of it, but it could be an option against some teams.
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A jumbo line up of Markus, Sam, Joey, Morrow and pick one of Froling, Heldt or Theo could be pretty interesting as well. I don’t expect to see a lot of it, but it could be an option against some teams.
If it's a jumbo lineup, maybe Elliott instead of Markus. Also might want Cain in there instead of Sam. That's a lot of length and quickness that could be disruptive on defense.
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If it's a jumbo lineup, maybe Elliott instead of Markus. Also might want Cain in there instead of Sam. That's a lot of length and quickness that could be disruptive on defense.
Markus is going to play 35+ MPG as a junior. The point is, a lineup for Markus, Sam, Joey, Morrow and pick a center would get all of the (presumably) most talented guys on the team on the court at once, and it could actually work.
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I can also seem them going very small with Bailey......Bailey is really really a skilled player.....Maybe some rust.....But you are getting a 3rd year physically developed player as a freshman.....Who from has been said....Can really shoot......Hauser....Hauser ....Bailey....Froling.....for short periods of shooting (any 3).....
Bailey is the biggest enigma for me. He's probably the player I know the least about but any time you can legitimately have 21 year old freshman on your team, that can end up being a very good thing. I don't know if the two years off from organized basketball will have an impact or not. BYU and Utah never seem to have issues with it so I don't think it will have as big an impact as many might think.
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We could also land the best plug and play grad transfer this spring. We will be a much more attractive destination for a kid like Damion Lee who wants to move up and win on the big stage.
Yep exactly