Has MU at 16-12, 8-10. Does not include final 2 games in Maui with opponents not known yet.
7 Big East teams in the Top 50, and St. John's at 51. The Big East will be a slugfest again this year.
Link? Or is it premium subscribers only?
2018 NCAA Men's Basketball Rankings - Preseason (Oct. 22)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
6. Villanova
17. Xavier
23. Seton Hall
Others receiving votes
Butler 43
Providence 21
Creighton 6
Creighton got slugged by Minny today
Quote from: GrimesHeroes32 on October 22, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
Creighton got slugged by Minny today
Minny is legit.... Creighton, it depends on if they find a point guard
Quote from: TAMU Grimes on October 22, 2017, 08:03:20 PM
Minny is legit.... Creighton, it depends on if they find a point guard
They could end up having a year like we got stuck with buzz's last year.
VCU got beat by liberty by 16. That game looking more and more winnable.
Quote from: MUDPT on October 26, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
VCU got beat by liberty by 16. That game looking more and more winnable.
Was Magic Dawson playing?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 27, 2017, 07:21:55 AM
Was Magic Dawson playing?
He's either not on the roster, was a DNP for the game, or has changed his name to Talbert and led the team in scoring:
Liberty — Baxter-Bell 5, Cabbil 5, Kemrite 14, Pacheco-Ortiz 8, Talbert 23, Cuffee 2, Williams 7, Hicks 0, Farquhar 0, McDowell 8, James 8, Hiepler 0, Newton 5. Totals 25 24-28 85.
Quote from: semirG on October 27, 2017, 07:32:51 AM
He's either not on the roster, was a DNP for the game, or has changed his name to Talbert and led the team in scoring:
Liberty — Baxter-Bell 5, Cabbil 5, Kemrite 14, Pacheco-Ortiz 8, Talbert 23, Cuffee 2, Williams 7, Hicks 0, Farquhar 0, McDowell 8, James 8, Hiepler 0, Newton 5. Totals 25 24-28 85.
Classic Magic, going from John --> Magic --> Talbert and no one bats an eyelash!
Quote from: MUDPT on October 26, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
VCU got beat by liberty by 16. That game looking more and more winnable.
It makes me feel a bit more confident for the VCU game because they lost by getting destroyed from beyond the arc. Bodes well for us.
Link from the VCU athletics page
http://www.vcuathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20171026xoya9m
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 27, 2017, 07:21:55 AM
Was Magic Dawson playing?
He graduated last year.
https://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?pid=36960&TeamID=6&RosterID=10694
Quote from: MUDPT on October 26, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
VCU got beat by liberty by 16. That game looking more and more winnable.
lol If we can't win that game, we're looking at bottom two in the Big East. See the Cracked Sidewalks preseason perdictions thread for details.
Quote from: GrimesHeroes32 on October 22, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
Creighton got slugged by Minny today
Didn't know that the season had started. ::)
Quote from: LoudMouth on October 27, 2017, 09:23:06 AM
It makes me feel a bit more confident for the VCU game because they lost by getting destroyed from beyond the arc. Bodes well for us.
Link from the VCU athletics page
http://www.vcuathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20171026xoya9m
I hope we are not that one dimensional and can also score in the paint. If we are just a 3pt team we are done for.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 27, 2017, 11:51:30 AM
I hope we are not that one dimensional and can also score in the paint. If we are just a 3pt team we are done for.
I don't totally agree with this notion. Sure the "Live by the 3, Die by the 3" notion applies, however we often see very good 3 pt shooting teams have good seasons. In fairly recent MU history, I recall the 'Zar/Acker/Cubillan team win many more games than anyone expected by jacking (and hitting) a high number of 3 balls. Food for thought.
Side note: Theo could be very capable at cleaning up missed 3's. Could tilt games dramatically.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on October 27, 2017, 12:06:24 PM
I don't totally agree with this notion. Sure the "Live by the 3, Die by the 3" notion applies, however we often see very good 3 pt shooting teams have good seasons. In fairly recent MU history, I recall the 'Zar/Acker/Cubillan team win many more games than anyone expected by jacking (and hitting) a high number of 3 balls. Food for thought.
Side note: Theo could be very capable at cleaning up missed 3's. Could tilt games dramatically.
That team played defense though
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on October 27, 2017, 12:06:24 PMSide note: Theo could be very capable at cleaning up missed 3's. Could tilt games dramatically.
I actually think Cain is better suited for for that. Long misses lead to long rebounds. Cain's athleticism, length, and expected position on the wing most likely puts him in better natural position to clean up those misses than a low post banger like John.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 27, 2017, 11:51:30 AM
I hope we are not that one dimensional and can also score in the paint. If we are just a 3pt team we are done for.
Villanova won a National Championship by living and dying by the 3. They had inside presence but most of their production was from deep. Granted they have "died" every other year with early exits but it worked for them once.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on October 27, 2017, 12:06:24 PM
I don't totally agree with this notion. Sure the "Live by the 3, Die by the 3" notion applies, however we often see very good 3 pt shooting teams have good seasons. In fairly recent MU history, I recall the 'Zar/Acker/Cubillan team win many more games than anyone expected by jacking (and hitting) a high number of 3 balls. Food for thought.
Side note: Theo could be very capable at cleaning up missed 3's. Could tilt games dramatically.
Yes sir and the key component to your post is 3 shooters. I believe we have 3 even better 3 point shooters in rouse house and that formerly 17 year old kid. We haven't seen much of the newbies, but don't be surprised if there are more. Long misses tend to become long rebounds...shoot till ya win, eye,naahhhh?
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 27, 2017, 12:16:48 PM
I actually think Cain is better suited for for that. Long misses lead to long rebounds. Cain's athleticism, length, and expected position on the wing most likely puts him in better natural position to clean up those misses than a low post banger like John.
Don't disagree on Cain's potential. Question is, how much PT will he receive this year? Theo looks like he is ready to play today, Cain, I'm not so sure.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 27, 2017, 11:51:30 AM
I hope we are not that one dimensional and can also score in the paint. If we are just a 3pt team we are done for.
Agree fully. Also if we are not scrappy on"D" and have jumps on rebounding ... Al will be rolling over and we will be in for a very, very long season again.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on October 27, 2017, 03:14:44 PM
Don't disagree on Cain's potential. Question is, how much PT will he receive this year? Theo looks like he is ready to play today, Cain, I'm not so sure.
I expect Theo to play more this year, I just don't think he'll be as helpful on three point rebounds.
Quote from: Eye on October 22, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
Has MU at 16-12, 8-10. Does not include final 2 games in Maui with opponents not known yet.
Hmmm... If that happens, does a Wojo get the hot seat
Quote from: willie warrior on October 27, 2017, 05:36:11 PM
Hmmm... If that happens, does a Wojo get the hot seat
If by hot, you mean ice cold then yes.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 27, 2017, 05:36:11 PM
Hmmm... If that happens, does a Wojo get the hot seat
I think Pomeroy's projection is a little low (thinking something like 11-7/20-10 myself, 2-1 in Maui with loss to Wichita in semi's, Purdue bad match-up early, Rodents on the road are the Rodents on the road, sweep DePaul, Gtown, St. John's, swept by nova, split with others in BE play), and it would take an abysmal failure of a season for Wojo to be anywhere close to the hot seat IMHO. They'd have to sink back to 2015 level for Wojo to get anywhere close to the hot seat IMHO.
So there's been a little discussion about inside scoring. Let me give you some observations from the UWM game. First, of course we'll miss Luke. He was special inside. No combination of Matty and Theo makes up for that. But I believe we'll be a better rebounding team, both on the offensive and defensive end and will get more paint garbage as a result. I don't yet have a handle on Aussie except to say he has a very nice outside shot leading me to believe we'll see him a lot at stretch four. Second, we're going to need heady penetration from our wings. Guys like Hanni and Cain are going to have to break down the D dishing to our shooters. Cain has a ways to go because the opponents he's facing aren't HS kids. And obviously we haven't seen Hanni play yet.
One quick Sacar thought. I think he can be an improved Duane, better at pretty much everything except shooting. I really expect him to see 20+ minutes. If we can improve our D by 1/3, we won't have to score 100 a game. Sacar's D, rebounding, and passing will be truly appreciated by fans in the know even if he only scores 4-6 a game. Of course it's too early to completely judge him and we will certainly miss Duane's heart. He had some incredible step up moments last year. None bigger than that Nova stop and go drive. We wish him well at TAMU.
In order for Anim to be successful he will have to prove that defenses can't ignore him. If he can make open shots and get the ball to the basket a little he will easily earn 20+ minutes. I could see letting him lead the fast break offense so the shooters can spread out to the line.
Bump
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on October 22, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
7 Big East teams in the Top 50, and St. John's at 51. The Big East will be a slugfest again this year.
Pom has us 49th right now. RPI at 56. Wish I knew what the Depaul loss meant to those numbers, if we won probably 42 to 44?
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 03, 2018, 05:29:45 PM
Pom has us 49th right now. RPI at 56. Wish I knew what the Depaul loss meant to those numbers, if we won probably 42 to 44?
IIRC, we moved down three spots after losing to DePaul.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 03, 2018, 05:40:13 PM
IIRC, we moved down three spots after losing to DePaul.
Believe I looked it up and it was like 58 to 66. Close to that.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 03, 2018, 05:29:45 PM
Pom has us 49th right now. RPI at 56. Wish I knew what the Depaul loss meant to those numbers, if we won probably 42 to 44?
RPI Wizard shows an RPI of 42 if that game flipped. Huge difference.
Playing with their sims, Butler would really help us out if they won tonight. One win over the #3 might be enough, while a win on Wednesday does nothing for the resume.
Quote from: nyg on March 03, 2018, 05:48:00 PM
Believe I looked it up and it was like 58 to 66. Close to that.
In Pomeroy? I'm pretty sure we haven't been below 52 all season.
EDIT: I see now that WarriorDad mentioned both RPI and KP. My post was about KP