As I said in another thread, I fear that we are starting our gloating a little too soon. Apparently, a Nike basketball shoe rep just got all of his records called for. So, if MU is implicated in this ever spreading investigation, how will you react? Will it change your opinion of Marquette basketball? Will it change your perspective on the investigation? I fear this will end up doing to NCAA Men's basketball what hurricanes do to Caribbean islands. And MU will be damned lucky to miss out on the devastation.
As an aside, I remember a few years ago when a Spartan fan was posting on the Bucky scout board that Buzz was willing to pay for Branden Dawson. He clammed up when Dawson chose Sparty.
Be careful about the bold proclamations until this crapstorm blows over.
This possibly could be a time in our history that may not be on this list. Fairly certain that we may have landed on this list under a fairly large number of coaches in our history.
I am very confident Wojo being a 1st time coach would not risk his down the road goals. He is at a point in his career where he cannot afford to get pinched.
I will start worrying about Wojo, if there starts to be smoke around Duke. I think Wojo and Coach K are clean coaches.
I know I have spent 50 plus years putting too much emphasis on MU basketball. MU being involved would cure me of this imbalance in my life.
The investigation seems more relevant for McDonalds AA types that are sure-fire NBA players, with the shoe companies trying to get in on them early and keep them loyal to a brand. Henry was the only player like that at MU recently, and I highly doubt he would be involved in something like this.
All coaches cheat.
Quote from: tower912 on September 27, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
As I said in another thread, I fear that we are starting our gloating a little too soon. Apparently, a Nike basketball shoe rep just got all of his records called for. So, if MU is implicated in this ever spreading investigation, how will you react? Will it change your opinion of Marquette basketball? Will it change your perspective on the investigation? I fear this will end up doing to NCAA Men's basketball what hurricanes do to Caribbean islands. And MU will be damned lucky to miss out on the devastation.
As an aside, I remember a few years ago when a Spartan fan was posting on the Bucky scout board that Buzz was willing to pay for Branden Dawson. He clammed up when Dawson chose Sparty.
Be careful about the bold proclamations until this crapstorm blows over.
It would be very disappointing to me. I have strong, but realistic expectations for the program. I want MU to win and to be successful but not with bribes, kickbacks and player payments.
However, if something did occur, what regime?? If it is current one, I would expect appropriate measures to be taken, including termination. But, if it is from the past (say Buzz), I'm not sure what could be done. All the major players from that time period are gone. If anything, it would reinforce one of the strongest lessons from the Buzz era, that organizational fit matters.
Quote from: bilsu on September 27, 2017, 01:32:30 PM
I will start worrying about Wojo, if there starts to be smoke around Duke. I think Wojo and Coach K are clean coaches.
I haven't thought K was clean for long time now. Ever since the jewelry scandal.
I said this in another thread - wher I also acknowledge I could be wrong about this - but I'd be surprised if this goes too much further at this point. It's not like the feds to bring cases like this piecemeal, if they can help it. If there are lots of others involved, yesterday's arrests would only serve to tip them off, allowing them to destroy evidence, get their stories straight and lawyer up. It's not the way the FBI likes to go about these things. If the FBI thought these guys would roll on others, they likely wouldn't have arrested and charged them in such a public way. They'd have brought them in quietly and squeezed them for all they were worth.
Again, I could be wrong, but experience tells me this may not be a tip of the iceberg situation.
It's unlikely that MU gets caught up in THIS scandal. It's not that MU or Wojo or Duke or whatever aren't cheating it's that we aren't cheating this way (and so flagrantly). Word is that no one around the program is worried about this, even the Buzz era...might be some slime here and there but not at this level.
Now if this info is wrong, we need to burn the program to the ground and start over....i don't want to win this way, period and it's not something the university should be about
From a functional standpoint, because this is a criminal investigation and not an NCAA investigation, if these activities took place under a previous coach, there is no impact on the MU basketball program, except for reputation. If assistants under Crean or Buzz were bribing players, it has no impact on the current administration, other than reputation. If one of the current assistants are implicated, that is a whole different kettle of fish.
It would make me think we are the worst cheaters in sports
We cheated to have Juan Anderson log major minutes?
4ever
You are right on all coaches cheat. It comes to the degree of cheating. My gut tells me Wojo is our cleanest coach since Hank. That said, Hank probably did not know a lot of what was going on behind the scenes. He truly could have claimed at being shocked if MU was caught while he was coach.
If we are implicated, I'm very disappointed in the results. Louisville got a title out of it, we got three years of tourney free March.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 27, 2017, 01:43:44 PM
I said this in another thread - wher I also acknowledge I could be wrong about this - but I'd be surprised if this goes too much further at this point. It's not like the feds to bring cases like this piecemeal, if they can help it. If there are lots of others involved, yesterday's arrests would only serve to tip them off, allowing them to destroy evidence, get their stories straight and lawyer up. It's not the way the FBI likes to go about these things. If the FBI thought these guys would roll on others, they likely wouldn't have arrested and charged them in such a public way. They'd have brought them in quietly and squeezed them for all they were worth.
Again, I could be wrong, but experience tells me this may not be a tip of the iceberg situation.
I had that feeling too, but the FBI spokesperson made it pretty clear in his remarks that the investigation is ongoing. He actually said those words, along with something to the effect of it being better for anyone involved to call the FBI than for the FBI to call them.
These coaches that got arrested are facing maximums of 80 years in federal prison for their crimes, of which they would have to serve no less than 68 if convicted. Effectively the rest of their lives. You'd think anyone that might be involved would be quite willing to cooperate with the investigation rather than get caught up in it.
That's what gives me pause about this whole thing going down a rabbit hole.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 27, 2017, 01:39:06 PM
All coaches cheat.
In a broad brush sense, this is probably true. I would say most coaches are not big time cheaters.
Brew
Could not have said it better myself. Maybe, I would add pissed off and disappointed.
As cliche as it sounds, where there's smoke, there's fire. And the cloud of smoke tends to stay near the source.
I haven't scoured the Louisville boards (or anyone else's for that matter), but I'd be willing to bet that not every UL fan is surprised by the fact that Bowen may have been funneled some amount of cash in exchange for his commitment.
And while not every one of us here on Scoop is one of the handful of major donors, boosters or someone connected to the inner-workings of MUBB, I'm sure that a few of us are close enough that we'd get a hint of smoke if something was burning at the Al. So until one of our regular Scoopers raises an alarm or I start seeing the Dookies get nervous, I think we can cautiously relax.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 27, 2017, 01:39:06 PM
All coaches cheat.
Not so sure that means anything at all. Heck, to an extent isn't it even frowned upon not to cheat? For example, if a coach witnesses an obviously incorrect call by the referee in favor of his team, when have you ever seen the coach stand up and tell the ref to reverse the call? The coach that sits on his hand and let's his team shoot free throws... how is that not cheating?
There is no doubt at all that Duke is sweating about Marvin Bagley right now. Wojo was never involved in his recruitment, so that is of no concern. I would be very surprised if there weren't recruits in the past that had received some sort of incentive to attend Duke. Was it run through Nike? Not sure.
I'm pretty confident MU will never be involved in this, but I'm also pretty confident there were some conversations going on in the athletic department yesterday.
Quote from: Benny B on September 27, 2017, 02:06:25 PM
As cliche as it sounds, where there's smoke, there's fire. And the cloud of smoke tends to stay near the source.
I haven't scoured the Louisville boards (or anyone else's for that matter), but I'd be willing to bet that not every UL fan is surprised by the fact that Bowen may have been funneled some amount of cash in exchange for his commitment.
And while not every one of us here on Scoop is one of the handful of major donors, boosters or someone connected to the inner-workings of MUBB, I'm sure that a few of us are close enough that we'd get a hint of smoke if something was burning at the Al. So until one of our regular Scoopers raises an alarm or I start seeing the Dookies get nervous, I think we can cautiously relax.
Not so sure that means anything at all. Heck, to an extent isn't it even frowned upon not to cheat? For example, if a coach witnesses an obviously incorrect call by the referee in favor of his team, when have you ever seen the coach stand up and tell the ref to reverse the call? The coach that sits on his hand and let's his team shoot free throws... how is that not cheating?
Dis isn't golf. Givin' a kid a tee shirt isn't dat big of a deal to me. 6 figure handshakes and hookers, well, dat's a horse of a different color. BTW, who paid da rent at Catholic Knights for #22 and #45's apartment, anyway, hey?
4ever
Do you remember Bo driving the convertible Caddy Eldorado on campus during summer of '77?
Quote from: tower912 on September 27, 2017, 01:48:44 PM
From a functional standpoint, because this is a criminal investigation and not an NCAA investigation, if these activities took place under a previous coach, there is no impact on the MU basketball program, except for reputation. If assistants under Crean or Buzz were bribing players, it has no impact on the current administration, other than reputation. If one of the current assistants are implicated, that is a whole different kettle of fish.
So you think the 10 years of Al McGuire, this was not happening at MU? As Jerry Tarkanian said, in a conference of 10 teams, all 9 where cheating, there was 1 team that did not, what place did that team come in, last. John Wooden and Rick Pitino sound like the same person, I had no idea this was happening, I am pretty sure both coaches new about it, just looked the other way. When MU recruited Sam Bowie, he visited 2 schools, MU and Kentucky. Kentucky out paid MU big time. Life of big time
major programs. I asked a friend who were the biggest cheaters in college, stated 2 schools, Duke and Kentucky.
DCHoopster
We were not top 5 for a decade by accident.
based on Wojo's tweets since this broke I doubt he has any worries
Only thing Wojo would need to be concerned about is assistants doing things without his knowledge. Kind of like the Hank era, as previously noted.
I don't expect MU to get (too) caught up in this, as it seems to involved sure-fire NBA-caliber players, and we just haven't had those types often or lately.
That said, it won't surprise me if it is revealed that the entire system is jaded and virtually all programs have one degree of corrupt activities or another.
It would feel a bit like the steriods-era in baseball or in cycling. Truth is, so many people were/are doing it that throwing any one person under the bus becomes nearly meaningless.
It's the lying and hypocrisy that drove me crazy as the scope of steroids in those sports came out...and in the same light that Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Lance Armstrong and others have forever lost my respect (not necessarily because they used steroids but that they lied so sanctimoniously about it), Pitino and any others who have consistently and vehemently denied the corruption will be lost to me.
I'll be sad if MU is caught up in it, and I'll want Wojo held responsible if it's happening under his watch, but I'll only be totally devastated if he denies, denies, denies and then the truth comes out.
Kinda like Braun, den, hey?
Quote from: bilsu on September 27, 2017, 02:01:37 PM
In a broad brush sense, this is probably true. I would say most coaches are not big time cheaters.
Yeah, its really a Broad brush. I wish Posters (in their opinions) would place %parameters on like Lightweight, Medium, and Heavyweight Cheaters. To me it would give me someone of what the Posters are thinking.
Quote from: GrimesHeroes32 on September 27, 2017, 01:53:43 PM
It would make me think we are the worst cheaters in sports
We cheated to have Juan Anderson log major minutes?
Juan got suspended for 3 games, because a fan took him to a Brewer game. This struck me as harsh given the other things that go on.
I'd be really disappointed if Marquette got implicated in this. I'd like to think that they operate a pretty clean program, and I hope that I don't read news reports to the contrary over the next couple months/years. Depending on the severity, I think I'd likely remain a fan.
Again, I'll note what I have said before -- I hope the worst is over.
I just can't believe we're going to get caught in this. Our players haven't been THAT good for a long time. Our NBA guys in large measure were jucos or four-stars. As someone said, the only five-star we had in recent years was Henry. The Hillbilly was a jerk but it's doubtful he cheated at MU. What did he get -- Vander Blue? If you're gonna cheat, you better do a lot better than a four-star.
If Buzz cheated, he would have bought himself a guard after Vander turned pro!
As to the allegation that Al cheated, the university was so cheap in those days that I doubt it. You didn't have to cheat if you were Wooden, Al, Dean Smith or Coach K today. Kids were going to the NBA. Period.
dgies
Wooden was sneaky slick. He was not #1 for a decade by accident,
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 27, 2017, 03:54:28 PM
Again, I'll note what I have said before -- I hope the worst is over.
I just can't believe we're going to get caught in this. Our players haven't been THAT good for a long time. Our NBA guys in large measure were jucos or four-stars. As someone said, the only five-star we had in recent years was Henry. The Hillbilly was a jerk but it's doubtful he cheated at MU. What did he get -- Vander Blue? If you're gonna cheat, you better do a lot better than a four-star.
If Buzz cheated, he would have bought himself a guard after Vander turned pro!
As to the allegation that Al cheated, the university was so cheap in those days that I doubt it. You didn't have to cheat if you were Wooden, Al, Dean Smith or Coach K today. Kids were going to the NBA. Period.
You think the university gave the recruits money, I agree there they did not. Al had a very good friend that has a ranch in Wyoming, lets just say the guy is loaded,
really loaded with no family or wife. UCLA had Sam Gilbert. George and Dean were taken care of, not sure, after that. Once you can promise kids they can get to the
NBA there really is no reason to do that anymore.
While I think Wojo is clean he has done some shady sh*t in recruiting, (e.g. Henry and Wally).
I don't believe we will be implicated but if we are implicated the program will deserve whatever punishment it gets. I will then support those who are left and not implicated and those who help to rebuild the program.
Quote from: GrimesHeroes32 on September 27, 2017, 01:53:43 PM
It would make me think we are the worst cheaters in sports
We cheated to have Juan Anderson log major minutes?
Juan Anderson might have been the worst player in the history of college basketball
Quote from: hdog1017 on September 27, 2017, 05:30:00 PM
Juan Anderson might have been the worst player in the history of college basketball
This might have been the worst post in the history of Scoop.
In our recent history I can think of two "great recruiters" in the assistant coach ranks. Isaac Chew and Stan Johnson.
Dan Dakich was on Russilo on the lunch hour today, and said that probably 100 programs have some sort of " elite recruiter" on their coaching staff that helps do this type of dirty work. He brought a few good examples from a decade ago when he was in Indiana with Kelvin Sampson. Sampson wanted to bring on an assistant coach that had a history of cheating - and the university squashed it. So Sampson ended up bringing on another assistant who was very "like minded", without the poor national reputation. At the end of the day, Sampson wasn't necessarily seeing everything that was going on. But he brought those coaches in for the same reason - to win recruits under the current college basketball recruiting landscape. Whatever that means.
There is some insulation between the Head Coach and the Assistants -- but at the end of the day, the HC knows what is going on, and is responsible for what takes place.
Almost every major program targets assistants like this, and Marquette is no different. Isaac Chew seems like an obvious one. Stan Johnson seems like such a stand up guy, and he's still at Marquette so I'd love to put on rose colored glasses and assume that he is completely legit. But in a landscape where you have to cheat to get big time recruits, it's hard to believe that he can bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to Marquette without any corners being cut.
With that being said -- I think Marquette is much cleaner under the Wojo administration than under Buzz. So if Wojo and his staff are "cheating", than I would guess that Duke, and every program in the top 100 is doing the same.
What a pathetic string, none more pathetic than the original post that brings up the pure speculation, it does no good and hurts the univeristy and the program.
Other possible topics?
What if al mcguire aided and abbetted Jefferey Dahmer.
What if Fr. Wild ran a child porn ring.
Cause you know things like that are happening so we MU might be involved.
Ur an fin pathetic dude, tower. And others that have chimed in pretty pathetic too
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on September 27, 2017, 07:48:38 PM
What a pathetic string, none more pathetic than the original post that brings up the pure speculation, it does no good and hurts the univeristy and the program.
Other possible topics?
What if al mcguire aided and abbetted Jefferey Dahmer.
What if Fr. Wild ran a child porn ring.
Cause you know things like that are happening so we MU might be involved.
Ur an fin pathetic dude, tower. And others that have chimed in pretty pathetic too
Okay, who are you and how did you get Sand-Knit's password?
He continues to think I am a big meanie. Luke is gone and he needs to lash out at somebody new.
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 27, 2017, 03:54:28 PM
Again, I'll note what I have said before -- I hope the worst is over.
I just can't believe we're going to get caught in this. ...
Are you a member of one of those Russian troll groups inciting discourse and chaos I've heard about?
Quote from: amen426 on September 27, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
Almost every major program targets assistants like this, and Marquette is no different. Isaac Chew seems like an obvious one. Stan Johnson seems like such a stand up guy, and he's still at Marquette so I'd love to put on rose colored glasses and assume that he is completely legit. But in a landscape where you have to cheat to get big time recruits, it's hard to believe that he can bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to Marquette without any corners being cut.
Really? I'm not saying it's 100% not happening, but what corners need to be cut to bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to MU? They aren't one and done types.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on September 27, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Really? I'm not saying it's 100% not happening, but what corners need to be cut to bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to MU? They aren't one and done types.
Markus and Brendan choosing Marquette had more to deal with the previous relationship that Stan had with the family. My understanding is that Stan and Thurl have known each other for a long time.
Quote from: marquette20 on September 27, 2017, 09:03:11 PM
Markus and Brendan choosing Marquette had more to deal with the previous relationship that Stan had with the family. My understanding is that Stan and Thurl have known each other for a long time.
Exactly.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on September 27, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Really? I'm not saying it's 100% not happening, but what corners need to be cut to bring Markus Howard and Brendan Bailey to MU? They aren't one and done types.
Plus 1......really stupid logic. Stan built a relationship with the families of both players.....that happens all the time.
Are the fans of every program now going to assume that every 4 star recruit they have gotten over the years was paid? I.mean seriously......
Quote from: tower912 on September 27, 2017, 07:58:44 PM
He continues to think I am a big meanie. Luke is gone and he needs to lash out at somebody new.
No i just think your a total loser for bringing this type of speculation into the marquette community.
Quote from: Goose on September 27, 2017, 02:35:29 PM
4ever
Do you remember Bo driving the convertible Caddy Eldorado on campus during summer of '77?
I believe it was a Thunderbird and the summer of 1977 would be OK, since he had graduated.
I think it was the year before when was stopped by the Milwaukee Police for a misdemeanor, for which he apologized to the student body.
College basketball recruiting has always been dirty and we haven't been immune from it. From what I remember hearing back in the day, Al paid a hefty price for Dean meminger, probably far more than 100k when you factor in inflation
Quote from: blikemike2 on September 27, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
I am very confident Wojo being a 1st time coach would not risk his down the road goals. He is at a point in his career where he cannot afford to get pinched.
Wouldn't that make him more likely to cheat? A ton of borderline mlb players get caught with steroids trying to make it. Woj needs to win now because if he fails he probably won't get another big time job any time soon.
Quote from: Smokin' Q on September 27, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
College basketball recruiting has always been dirty and we haven't been immune from it. From what I remember hearing back in the day, Al paid a hefty price for Dean meminger, probably far more than 100k when you factor in inflation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_RYIylWEp4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_RYIylWEp4)
Anyone who think only the sure-fire lottery, one and done recruits have benefited from shoe brand affiliation on the AAU circuit might want to take a look at the bridge I have up for sale. I don't know that any of our former or current players or recruits have received cash "gifts" or had trip expenses or gear paid for, but those who say, "well all our guys are 4 stars so we don't have anything to worry about," while maybe true for this specific case, being a 4 star instead of 5 means very little.
Didn't Buzz do some alumni event in LA where he basically said that you have to cut corners to win? Or am I just imaging it?
Quote from: MUDPT on September 27, 2017, 10:34:09 PM
Didn't Buzz do some alumni event in LA where he basically said that you have to cut corners to win? Or am I just imaging it?
No. He said that you need to
sweep corners in order to win.
If Marquette is "implicated" (caught, for lack of a better word) reactions will range from denial to people renouncing their fandom. In between those reactions will range from "meh, everybody does it, let's get better at it", to "who do we bring in to clean up this mess?".
If we're not "implicated", reactions will range from holier than thou, "we're better than the rest" to "whew, we dodged that bullet".
And until this blows over, lots of people will pretend to know what Al, Hank, Rick, Dukiet, KO, Deane, Crean, Buzz and Wojo did or didn't do.
Quote from: Quentin's Tap on September 28, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
If Marquette is "implicated" (caught, for lack of a better word) reactions will range from denial to people renouncing their fandom. In between those reactions will range from "meh, everybody does it, let's get better at it", to "who do we bring in to clean up this mess?".
If we're not "implicated", reactions will range from holier than thou, "we're better than the rest" to "whew, we dodged that bullet".
And until this blows over, lots of people will pretend to know what Al, Hank, Rick, Dukiet, KO, Deane, Crean, Buzz and Wojo did or didn't do.
And everyone within all ranges of that spectrum will return to their normally scheduled fandom the second we start winning games.
Quote from: Quentin's Tap on September 28, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
If Marquette is "implicated" (caught, for lack of a better word) reactions will range from denial to people renouncing their fandom. In between those reactions will range from "meh, everybody does it, let's get better at it", to "who do we bring in to clean up this mess?".
If we're not "implicated", reactions will range from holier than thou, "we're better than the rest" to "whew, we dodged that bullet".
And until this blows over, lots of people will pretend to know what Al, Hank, Rick, Dukiet, KO, Deane, Crean, Buzz and Wojo did or didn't do.
So you're saying that Hickey and Nagle are clean? That counts for something!
Quote from: GrimesHeroes32 on September 27, 2017, 01:53:43 PM
It would make me think we are the worst cheaters in sports
We cheated to have Juan Anderson log major minutes?
He did get free Brewer tickets.
When you're close to something where there's some foul play there are always people who know and it's very possible for things to happen for a long time and even on a large scale before the whistle is blown. Look at some of the corporate corruption scandals. The folks who lost business knew they lost to dirty play, but it's just not worth it to do something... but they know who and what and how.
I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball. Those on the inside know who and what and how. If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle.
I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 28, 2017, 09:44:13 AM
I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball. Those on the inside know who and what and how. If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle.
I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.
I think you're making a false assumption when you opine that a coach is either a) willing to do whatever it takes - buy players, AAU coaches, etc., to win a championship or b) "clean as a whistle".
I'm reasonably certain that relatively few D1 coaches dive into the swamp but it's suicide to avoid it altogether because it's where most of the good players are.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 28, 2017, 09:44:13 AM
When you're close to something where there's some foul play there are always people who know and it's very possible for things to happen for a long time and even on a large scale before the whistle is blown. Look at some of the corporate corruption scandals. The folks who lost business knew they lost to dirty play, but it's just not worth it to do something... but they know who and what and how.
I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball. Those on the inside know who and what and how. If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle.
I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.
You are selling Wojo short - 0% chance he didn't have this covered in the power point
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 28, 2017, 09:43:18 AM
He did get free Brewer tickets.
His friend's father invited Juan and his son to join him at a game where he had an extra suite ticket for a playoff game. That ranks up there with cream cheese on a free bagel equaling an impermissible (at the time) meal.
The three game ban was a joke.
We paid up for Henry by paying tuition, room and board for Wally.
Quote from: Goose on September 27, 2017, 02:51:17 PM
Only thing Wojo would need to be concerned about is assistants doing things without his knowledge. Kind of like the Hank era, as previously noted.
To be blunt, Doc's recruitment was "dirty"?
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 28, 2017, 09:44:13 AM
When you're close to something where there's some foul play there are always people who know and it's very possible for things to happen for a long time and even on a large scale before the whistle is blown. Look at some of the corporate corruption scandals. The folks who lost business knew they lost to dirty play, but it's just not worth it to do something... but they know who and what and how.
I'd be reasonably confident it's the same in the world of basketball. Those on the inside know who and what and how. If I'm recruiting a new head coach, I know to make sure either
a) he knows how it works if I don't care and want a national championship
b) he's clean as a whistle.
I'm reasonably certain the current administration of MU would have done deep deep background on Wojo and all of his assistants and went for option b.
How come MU is capable of "deep deep background" on cheating by the NCAA is not?
Maybe MU's administration should run the NCAA investigative division?
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 28, 2017, 10:52:40 PM
We paid up for Henry by paying tuition, room and board for Wally.
Legit LOL
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 28, 2017, 07:11:09 PM
His friend's father invited Juan and his son to join him at a game where he had an extra suite ticket for a playoff game. That ranks up there with cream cheese on a free bagel equaling an impermissible (at the time) meal.
The three game ban was a joke.
My comment was a joke as well. My freshman year '65 there were a lot of free Brave tickets available as that was their final season in Milwaukee. Damn I wish they would have gotten into the World Series that year, probably could have gotten tickets right behind the dugout.
Look, only Chicos can judge. Everything else is just speculation.
Quote from: The Lens on September 29, 2017, 08:21:17 AM
Look, only Chicos can judge. Everything else is just speculation.
Yes, until 4or5years have gone by.
Quote from: 1.21 Jigawatts on September 29, 2017, 03:17:50 AM
How come MU is capable of "deep deep background" on cheating by the NCAA is not?
Maybe MU's administration should run the NCAA investigative division?
Because MU's administration's "investigators" or whatever answer to only one organization: Marquette University. The NCAA answers to the University of North Carolina, amongst others.
[Damn, we're on fire with the tar heel hate here, yo. Wojo must be turning us into the Duke of the Midwest.]
Quote from: 1.21 Jigawatts on September 29, 2017, 03:17:50 AM
How come MU is capable of "deep deep background" on cheating by the NCAA is not?
Maybe MU's administration should run the NCAA investigative division?
Wojo went through "extreme vetting."
I probably shouldn't reveal this on a message board, but my friends inside the Al (Vander's tutor being one of them) said that Wojo was waterboarded in the Old Gym. On multiple occasions. The dude is clean.
"A clear conscience is a great pillow"
-- Wojo, 2017
Quote from: Eldon on September 29, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Wojo went through "extreme vetting."
I probably shouldn't reveal this on a message board, but my friends inside the Al (Vander's tutor being one of them) said that Wojo was waterboarded in the Old Gym. On multiple occasions. The dude is clean.
Probably part the the ROTC training program.
Quote from: Eldon on September 29, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Wojo went through "extreme vetting."
I probably shouldn't reveal this on a message board, but my friends inside the Al (Vander's tutor being one of them) said that Wojo was waterboarded in the Old Gym. On multiple occasions. The dude is clean.
Heard he was also forced to march to Jimmy John's in a full metal walking boot
Quote from: real QG chili 83 on September 28, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
To be blunt, Doc's recruitment was "dirty"?
Heard there was a towel involved.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2017/10/03/mus-wojciechowski-college-basketball-scandal-a-clear-conscience-great-pillow/727505001/
Good enough for me. Let the unabashed bashing of Louisville et al commence.
Quote from: Benny B on October 03, 2017, 04:59:57 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2017/10/03/mus-wojciechowski-college-basketball-scandal-a-clear-conscience-great-pillow/727505001/
Good enough for me. Let the unabashed bashing of Louisville et al commence.
Eh, he's talking about morality in that whole spiel. Me, personally, I wouldn't see anything wrong about paying my players. I would see something wrong with taking kickbacks on it, which is what all those implicated assistants were doing. I'd sleep just fine if I thought I was helping the kids I recruit get some money for them and their families as well.
Wojo is 100% squeaky clean, also known as the complete opposite of his predecessor. I doubt Scuzz is sophisticated enough to escape being caught up in this.
I have a feeling Xavier is going to be feeling some heat considering Sean Miller and Book Richardson were there before going to Arizona.