So many "What ifs?" this year. So many wasted opportunities. Tough to take.
Winning is contagious. We're not quite ready. Hopefully our young kids can get a taste of it down the stretch and use the experience next year.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
So many "What ifs?" this year. So many wasted opportunities. Tough to take.
Winning is contagious. We're not quite ready. Hopefully our young kids can get a taste of it down the stretch and use the experience next year.
No f'n way. This is a cake walk in comparison
Don't care, don't like the Cubs. This season for the Warriors blows. However, I actually see some progress . . .
While we're talking baseball analogies...
I get a little "Yost's Brewers in September" vibe going on here. They played tight because the manager was wound tight. I wonder if some of these late-game struggles are because the team sees it's coach tightening up.
Not even close.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 25, 2017, 07:53:30 PM
While we're talking baseball analogies...
I get a little "Yost's Brewers in September" vibe going on here. They played tight because the manager was wound tight. I wonder if some of these late-game struggles are because the team tightens up.
Hmm. Good point. Being too tightly wound late in the season leads to exhaustion for everyone. Many successful coaches cut down on practices and stay calm with their team at this point in the year (though, they never stay calm with Refs!)
This is nothing like Cubs fandom. 20 more years of this and we can start to talk.
Talk to me in 2085.
You mean minus the douchieness or are we douches too?
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on February 25, 2017, 08:07:05 PM
You mean minus the douchieness or are we douches too?
I don't like you anymore.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 25, 2017, 08:13:49 PM
I don't like you anymore.
C'mon man, give me something, I'm a Brewers fan.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on February 25, 2017, 08:07:05 PM
You mean minus the douchieness or are we douches too?
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Quote from: Anti-Dentite on February 25, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
C'mon man, give me something, I'm a Brewers fan.
The rebuild is looking promising and maybe you find a taker for Braun this summer. And you're not a Cards fan.
Does that help?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 25, 2017, 08:21:48 PM
The rebuild is looking promising and maybe you find a taker for Braun this summer. And you're not a Cards fan.
Does that help?
God, I hate the Cardinals.
As we're talking about my two favorite teams, not even close.
No, because I have a basic understanding of basketball. ;D
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on February 25, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
God, I hate the Cardinals.
I love 'em. Best run team in baseball.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 25, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
I love 'em. Best run team in baseball.
Aside from the cheating, of course.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 25, 2017, 07:54:10 PM
Not even close.
Wades doesn't care. He asked the question, but he doesn't care for your response.
DePaul: The Cubs of the Big East
MU is maybe the Phillies? Great team in the mid -2000s, then a slow decline. And now progress (by default since they can only go upwards)?
Quote from: warriorfred on February 25, 2017, 07:53:16 PM
Don't care, don't like the Cubs. This season for the Warriors blows. However, I actually see some progress . . .
Dude, Golden State is running away with the west. How can you think theirvseason blows? Because they won't get 73?
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 25, 2017, 09:42:13 PM
Wades doesn't care. He asked the question, but he doesn't care for your response.
Huh?
Quote from: Eldon on February 25, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
DePaul: The Cubs of the Big East
MU is maybe the Phillies? Great team in the mid -2000s, then a slow decline. And now progress (by default since they can only go upwards)?
DePaul and the Cubs aren't even close either. DePaul's made one Final Four in their history. The Cubs have been in the playoffs 8 times in the last 33 years.
Beyond that, DePaul's stretch of failing as the favorite in the early 80s may have been worse. Cubs were rarely the favorite to the win the WS before '16 (84 Tigers, 89 A's, 98 Yankees, 03 Yankees, 07 Red Sox, etc).
And MU is better than the Phillies now, but weren't as good as the Phillies from the end of the last decade to early this decade. MU was never a threat to win a title from '06 to '13. Threat to make Final 4 before James got hurt in '09, seed favorite to make Final 4 after UL pulled upset in first Sweet 16 game in West regional in '12, seed favorite to make Final 4 against cuse in '13. Besides the year they won it, Phillies were a threat to win it the next 3 years. And the Phillies haven't been close to that since. MU's been down for 3 years but are at least back to average now (even if it's an incredibly frustrating at times average).
The Wojo era has been most like the Miami Marlins, recently. Lots of potential with a ceiling of .500. If there is a more apt comparison (Brew will hopefully like this one), this team is most like the USMNT under Klinsmann. A coach who had come from somewhere more prestigious. A recruitment of pretty good players. Results that were really "meh" on the field, with some awesome wins and terrible losses thrown in. A lot of questions on whether the coach knew anything about "coaching" or not.
Agreed on Marlins. Best comparison in this thread so far.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 25, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
I love 'em. Best run team in baseball.
I didn't know you were a red neck racist with a penchant for drinking & driving.
Yeah, we're just like the Cubs - if Bryant (like Henry) leaves after his rookie year.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 26, 2017, 07:14:38 AM
The Wojo era has been most like the Miami Marlins, recently. Lots of potential with a ceiling of .500. If there is a more apt comparison (Brew will hopefully like this one), this team is most like the USMNT under Klinsmann. A coach who had come from somewhere more prestigious. A recruitment of pretty good players. Results that were really "meh" on the field, with some awesome wins and terrible losses thrown in. A lot of questions on whether the coach knew anything about "coaching" or not.
I'm liking this comparison, sad to say.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2017, 12:45:18 AM
Huh?
My bad--mistaken Warriorfreds response as Wadesworld.
Like all of the Cubs fans chiming in, I'd have to say no. This single season has been very frustrating and adding in the past few post Buzz seasons makes it worse. But we'd need to add a solid 4 decades of complete irrelevance coupled with two EPIC postseason collapses to get close.
I think a pretty good baseball comp is the Pittsburgh Pirates. Won a title in the late 70s. Had a couple decades toiling in irrelevance. Recent success over the last several years ultimately culminating in disappointment.
Two straight wild card round losses at home with really solid teams would be pretty frustrating. Honestly, that might be a bit worse than what we've dealt with lately.
Pirates now comparison leader in the clubhouse.
I don't wanna be a Pirate!
A team that was a consensus 7th place team in the pre-season polling is .500 with two games to go. The reason this feels more crushing that it should is the number of double digit second half leads blown. Having a really good record, on the edge of the top 25, safely in the tourney, seems so tantalizingly close and that it has been taken away. But ultimately, maybe the preseason prognosticators weren't so wrong.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 25, 2017, 08:21:48 PM
The rebuild is looking promising and maybe you find a taker for Braun this summer. And you're not a Cards fan.
Does that help?
No ones taking bruan but an al team for little
Quite frankly, if this season's disappointment is what you think Cubs fans went through before 2016, you'd have never made it as a Cub fan.
When Marquette makes the tournament again, I'll be excited, but I highly doubt that I will be crumpled in a heap on my living room floor with tears streaming down my face like I was when the Cubs won the pennant.
Comparing this season's struggles to Pre-2016 Cubdom is not apples and oranges, it's apples and washing machines.
I just meant this single season, not overall. My apology to the Cubs fans who went through inexplicable pain that I could never feel.
Every fanbase but one is going to be frustrated and disappointed at the end of the year. This isn't unique to MU fans. In every major sport. And they rant and vent and stew and insult each other because everybody is waaaayyyyyyy smarter than the coach and could easily have landed the big recruit that got away or developed them better. And every coach gets out-coached and the officials are biased against every team.
If MU had fallen behind early and failed in furious comebacks in those games where MU has blown double digit second half leads, would this season be as frustrating? After all, MU was a preseason 7th place pick in the Big East. The lack of size at the 4 is not exactly a surprise. It isn't news that playing a pair of 5'10 guards next to each other will lead to defensive issues. If the returnees had all made proportional improvement but the freshmen and newcomers stunk, would it be as frustrating? Because, as of right now, MU is 17-11, 8-8 and a bubble team, DESPITE everything. Which, coming into the season, is just about where the majority of posters thought they would be and BETTER THAN the experts thought.
So, what is it? The blown second half leads? The seniors not stepping up? The lack of physicality? MU is about where they were predicted to be.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2017, 09:26:57 AM
Every fanbase but one is going to be frustrated and disappointed at the end of the year. This isn't unique to MU fans. In every major sport. And they rant and vent and stew and insult each other because everybody is waaaayyyyyyy smarter than the coach and could easily have landed the big recruit that got away or developed them better. And every coach gets out-coached and the officials are biased against every team.
If MU had fallen behind early and failed in furious comebacks in those games where MU has blown double digit second half leads, would this season be as frustrating? After all, MU was a preseason 7th place pick in the Big East. The lack of size at the 4 is not exactly a surprise. It isn't news that playing a pair of 5'10 guards next to each other will lead to defensive issues. If the returnees had all made proportional improvement but the freshmen and newcomers stunk, would it be as frustrating? Because, as of right now, MU is 17-11, 8-8 and a bubble team, DESPITE everything. Which, coming into the season, is just about where the majority of posters thought they would be and BETTER THAN the experts thought.
So, what is it? The blown second half leads? The seniors not stepping up? The lack of physicality? MU is about where they were predicted to be.
I would be less frustrated if we played to our KenPom ranking more consistently - namely having a better record against those ranked 50-100 would have completely changed the complexity of this season. From a watching the game perspective the lack of defense continues to be annoying because just a small improvement here would have changed my first statement.
I personally don't really care what the experts thought pre-season because first off they aren't usually very accurate and secondarily, 2 people have left the team, two freshman are now in the starting lineup and we have now actually played games.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 27, 2017, 09:15:50 AM
I just meant this single season, not overall. My apology to the Cubs fans who went through inexplicable pain that I could never feel.
Never say never.
Also my two favorite teams, and as many others said, this isn't close at all.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 27, 2017, 09:38:44 AM
I would be less frustrated if we played to our KenPom ranking more consistently - namely having a better record against those ranked 50-100 would have completely changed the complexity of this season. From a watching the game perspective the lack of defense continues to be annoying because just a small improvement here would have changed my first statement.
I personally don't really care what the experts thought pre-season because first off they aren't usually very accurate and secondarily, 2 people have left the team, two freshman are now in the starting lineup and we have now actually played games.
So, if we had lost to Villanova and Creighton but swept Providence, you would be less frustrated.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2017, 09:41:10 AM
So, if we had lost to Villanova and Creighton but swept Providence, you would be less frustrated.
No, that is not what I said.
I said that if we played to our ranking more consistently (i.e. played like a team in the 30's). Clearly there is going to be variability, but our losing record versus the 50-100 teams when predictive statistics call you in the low to mid 30's is a killer.
Looking at the (long) bubble watch thread, it appears that our record against 50-100 is comparable to other bubble teams.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2017, 09:54:31 AM
Looking at the (long) bubble watch thread, it appears that our record against 50-100 is comparable to other bubble teams.
Ok - you asked the question and I responded. You win?
No winning. I probably just kicked away a late lead.
I don't know. I am not a Cubs fan.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2017, 09:26:57 AM
Every fanbase but one is going to be frustrated and disappointed at the end of the year. This isn't unique to MU fans. In every major sport. And they rant and vent and stew and insult each other because everybody is waaaayyyyyyy smarter than the coach and could easily have landed the big recruit that got away or developed them better. And every coach gets out-coached and the officials are biased against every team.
If MU had fallen behind early and failed in furious comebacks in those games where MU has blown double digit second half leads, would this season be as frustrating? After all, MU was a preseason 7th place pick in the Big East. The lack of size at the 4 is not exactly a surprise. It isn't news that playing a pair of 5'10 guards next to each other will lead to defensive issues. If the returnees had all made proportional improvement but the freshmen and newcomers stunk, would it be as frustrating? Because, as of right now, MU is 17-11, 8-8 and a bubble team, DESPITE everything. Which, coming into the season, is just about where the majority of posters thought they would be and BETTER THAN the experts thought.
So, what is it? The blown second half leads? The seniors not stepping up? The lack of physicality? MU is about where they were predicted to be.
For me it is the blown second half leads.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2017, 09:54:31 AM
Looking at the (long) bubble watch thread, it appears that our record against 50-100 is comparable to other bubble teams.
Yep. And our overall record vs. top 50 and top 100 is better than almost all bubble teams.