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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on February 23, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
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Creighton suspends injured Maurice Watson for misconduct
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct
Creighton basketball player Maurice Watson, who is out for the season because of a major knee injury, has been suspended from all athletic-related activities for misconduct.
The university announced Wednesday that the suspension started Feb. 13 and is "for alleged actions that are contrary to university policies and core values."
Watson will not be allowed to participate in senior day activities on Feb. 28. No other details were released.
Watson was a candidate for the Wooden Award as college basketball's top player until he tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee on Jan. 16. At the time, the Bluejays were 18-1, and Watson ranked first in the nation with 8.5 assists per game. Creighton is 4-4 since Watson got hurt.
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Already out for the season...and now they suspend him?
Might as well put him on double secret probation too....
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http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/suspended-creighton-point-guard-maurice-watson-under-investigation-for-sexual/article_62a00906-f984-11e6-92d1-ff33fa67ad93.html
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Creighton board (and the good Dr. B) seem to think the assault is of the statutory nature. If true, that makes it a lot easier to prove. Not looking good for Mr. Watson.
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Creighton board (and the good Dr. B) seem to think the assault is of the statutory nature. If true, that makes it a lot easier to prove. Not looking good for Mr. Watson.
Word around Omaha is that young Mr. Watson has created quite the roadblock to his post collegiate life.
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Creighton board (and the good Dr. B) seem to think the assault is of the statutory nature. If true, that makes it a lot easier to prove. Not looking good for Mr. Watson.
If I recall the article correctly, the woman bringing the charge is 19, so not statutory, correct?
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And all dis happened wit a torn ACL? Probably should give Watson a gymnastics schollie, hey?
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If I recall the article correctly, the woman bringing the charge is 19, so not statutory, correct?
I think that is the hold up. Is she 16 or 19?
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If I recall the article correctly, the woman bringing the charge is 19, so not statutory, correct?
Just repeating what I saw on the jays board. No idea what the truth is
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Already out for the season...and now they suspend him?
Might as well put him on double secret probation too....
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Shoulda had more than his leg in a cast, ai'na
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First degree felony sexual assault warrant issued.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18754122/felony-warrant-issued-creighton-bluejays-maurice-watson-jr
If convicted, that'll be many years in the penitentiary.
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Too bad I didn't save on TIVO those 10 minutes of the MU-Creighton when the announcers basically kissed every single inch of his derriere.
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In my experience, arrest warrants aren't usually filed for sexual assault unless the DA really thinks they have a really strong case. Still don't know what happened, but it doesn't look good for Mr. Watson.
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This is sad.
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In my experience, arrest warrants aren't usually filed for sexual assault unless the DA really thinks they have a really strong case. Still don't know what happened, but it doesn't look good for Mr. Watson.
And kudos to Creighton for taking it seriously as well. There are more than a few schools who would have pulled the "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense regardless of the evidence.
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This is sad.
You mean it's sad for the victim at the hands of an alleged rapist.
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You mean it's sad for the victim at the hands of an alleged rapist.
I don't think his post implied anything other than that
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In my experience, arrest warrants aren't usually filed for sexual assault unless the DA really thinks they have a really strong case. Still don't know what happened, but it doesn't look good for Mr. Watson.
Especially first degree. Makes me wonder if she physically wasn't able to consent and they have evidence of that. (ie, she was drunk)
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In my experience, arrest warrants aren't usually filed for sexual assault unless the DA really thinks they have a really strong case. Still don't know what happened, but it doesn't look good for Mr. Watson.
So TAMU, you're our expert. Creighton's role at this point is simply full cooperation with the ongoing criminal complaint. Totally out of their hands at this point, yes?
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I don't think his post implied anything other than that
Yah..WTF? The whole situation is sad.
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Especially first degree. Makes me wonder if she physically wasn't able to consent and they have evidence of that. (ie, she was drunk)
And there's no public info about what forensics might have taken place that next morning. Remember, she went to the cops at 10:30a, roughly 6 hours after the incident. I suspect that by making that decision she was willing to be examined.
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Yah..WTF? The whole situation is sad.
Sorry. I didn't mean to jump down your throat. For me, sad is reserved for accidents and innocent victims. I'm not sad at all regarding Watson.
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And kudos to Creighton for taking it seriously as well. There are more than a few schools who would have pulled the "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense regardless of the evidence.
If he was leading them to a 25-3 record rather than sitting on the bench with his leg in a cast things might've been very different with their handling of the situation.
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You mean it's sad for the victim at the hands of an alleged rapist.
It's sad for the victim for obvious reasons (have a daughter here, so I can appreciate the anger).
It's sad for the university because their name is sullied because of this.
It's sad for the young man because somehow he did not realize the consequences of his actions.
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So TAMU, you're our expert. Creighton's role at this point is simply full cooperation with the ongoing criminal complaint. Totally out of their hands at this point, yes?
No. Criminal and school process are completely separate. Creighton has an obligation to investigate and hold their own conduct process....of course, if Mr. Watson is in jail, that process will be permanently suspended. If he were to ever return to Creighton, they would be obligated to resume the process. The other option is that most schools have some sort of student rule that says that students are obligated to follow state and federal laws and failure to do so could result in expulsion. They could enact that rule and all they would have to prove is that he was convicted and then he would be gone.
Of course, this is assuming there are no major changes to Title IX in the near future. DOE just issued a major edit of Title IX yesterday. Didn't impact this area, but its the first time in history that the DOE has ever contradicted a previous DCL on Title IX. Creates a concerning precedent.
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If he was leading them to a 25-3 record rather than sitting on the bench with his leg in a cast things might've been very different with their handling of the situation.
Let's hope not.
You could also argue that since he wasn't able to play anyway (thus eliminating having to make that decision), what's the big deal about letting him participate in Senior Day?
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No. Criminal and school process are completely separate. Creighton has an obligation to investigate and hold their own conduct process....of course, if Mr. Watson is in jail, that process will be permanently suspended. If he were to ever return to Creighton, they would be obligated to resume the process. The other option is that most schools have some sort of student rule that says that students are obligated to follow state and federal laws and failure to do so could result in expulsion. They could enact that rule and all they would have to prove is that he was convicted and then he would be gone.
Of course, this is assuming there are no major changes to Title IX in the near future. DOE just issued a major edit of Title IX yesterday. Didn't impact this area, but its the first time in history that the DOE has ever contradicted a previous DCL on Title IX. Creates a concerning precedent.
I gotcha. Makes sense. Of course Watson isn't so worried about being tossed out of school right now.
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If he was leading them to a 25-3 record rather than sitting on the bench with his leg in a cast things might've been very different with their handling of the situation.
Let's hope not. I'm glad you used Might've rather that Woulda.
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I'm tired of athletes, politicians, actors and actresses, etc. who think they're important or above da law 'cuz of the completely worthless chit dey get paid for and/or publicity for doin'. Hour society's complete adoration for deez folks is watts sad. Dey all squat like da rest of us.
As for Watson, if da mofo is so damn stupid as to not no wen ta hold it and wen ta squirt it, den he duzzn't deserve the head start and break in life he just pissed down his leg for in an act of a little gratification. Life's a bitch and den ya die. Just tryin' ta keep da pinballs movin', ai na?
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It's sad for the victim for obvious reasons (have a daughter here, so I can appreciate the anger).
It's sad for the university because their name is sullied because of this.
It's sad for the young man because somehow he did not realize the consequences of his actions.
You and I part ways on that one.
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I'm tired of athletes, politicians, actors and actresses, etc. who think they're important or above da law 'cuz of the completely worthless chit dey get paid for and/or publicity for doin'. Hour society's complete adoration for deez folks is watts sad. Dey all squat like da rest of us.
As for Watson, if da mofo is so damn stupid as to not no wen ta hold it and wen ta squirt it, den he duzzn't deserve the head start and break in life he just pissed down his leg for in an act of a little gratification. Life's a bitch and den ya die. Just tryin' ta keep da pinballs movin', ai na?
That was some der challenging reading but my view on the matter.
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Let's hope not. I'm glad you used Might've rather that Woulda.
Let's hope not.
You could also argue that since he wasn't able to play anyway (thus eliminating having to make that decision), what's the big deal about letting him participate in Senior Day?
No doubt. I hope that nothing would've changed, but winning often talks in big time athletics.
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No doubt. I hope that nothing would've changed, but winning often talks in big time athletics.
I have more faith in Dan Hendrickson than that.
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No doubt. I hope that nothing would've changed, but winning often talks in big time athletics.
I have confidence that a Jesuit institution like Creighton would have suspended Watson regardless.
Also, had he been healthy, it's reasonable to believe that he wouldn't have been out at 3am on a game day to begin with.
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You and I part ways on that one.
If he's guilty, I'd feel no sympathy for Watson. However, I do believe that it's a sad situation when a young man who appeared to be a good kid and model citizen commits an awful, potentially life-ruining act.
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If he's guilty, I'd feel no sympathy for Watson. However, I do believe that it's a sad situation when a young man who appeared to be a good kid and model citizen commits an awful, potentially life-ruining act.
Fair enough. I'll feel sad for his family.
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I have confidence that a Jesuit institution like Creighton would have suspended Watson regardless.
Also, had he been healthy, it's reasonable to believe that he wouldn't have been out at 3am on a game day to begin with.
Careful, not saying they wouldn't have, but one of the reasons they are coming down on this particularly hard may stem from a case earlier this year where they were accused of mishandling a sexual assault claim.
http://www.omaha.com/news/education/unhappy-with-creighton-s-sexual-consent-policy-students-hold-yes/article_38176e06-f545-11e6-addf-87af933c8bb2.html (http://www.omaha.com/news/education/unhappy-with-creighton-s-sexual-consent-policy-students-hold-yes/article_38176e06-f545-11e6-addf-87af933c8bb2.html)
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And kudos to Creighton for taking it seriously as well. There are more than a few schools who would have pulled the "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense regardless of the evidence.
Yes....but the cynic in me wonders that if Mo Watson wasn't hurt would Creighton be stalling on this investigation.
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Careful, not saying they wouldn't have, but one of the reasons they are coming down on this particularly hard may stem from a case earlier this year where they were accused of mishandling a sexual assault claim.
http://www.omaha.com/news/education/unhappy-with-creighton-s-sexual-consent-policy-students-hold-yes/article_38176e06-f545-11e6-addf-87af933c8bb2.html (http://www.omaha.com/news/education/unhappy-with-creighton-s-sexual-consent-policy-students-hold-yes/article_38176e06-f545-11e6-addf-87af933c8bb2.html)
Possible, but to be honest, just about every school has been accused of mishandling a sexual assault case in the past 6 years. Its become a part of the process.
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Yes....but the cynic in me wonders that if Mo Watson wasn't hurt would Creighton be stalling on this investigation.
Personally, I already think he got special treatment when he was allowed to leave the state. This morning's article indicates that he's not in custody just yet. I'm sure he faces a very strict deadline to turn himself in.
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No. Criminal and school process are completely separate. Creighton has an obligation to investigate and hold their own conduct process....of course, if Mr. Watson is in jail, that process will be permanently suspended. If he were to ever return to Creighton, they would be obligated to resume the process. The other option is that most schools have some sort of student rule that says that students are obligated to follow state and federal laws and failure to do so could result in expulsion. They could enact that rule and all they would have to prove is that he was convicted and then he would be gone.
Of course, this is assuming there are no major changes to Title IX in the near future. DOE just issued a major edit of Title IX yesterday. Didn't impact this area, but its the first time in history that the DOE has ever contradicted a previous DCL on Title IX. Creates a concerning precedent.
In addition, I think a couple things need to be made clear to Watson's teammates. First, under no way are they to have contact with the alleged victim or encourage others to do so. Second, while they may wish to be supportive of their teammate, such support cannot include obstructing the investigation by the local police or University officials in any manner.
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Possible, but to be honest, just about every school has been accused of mishandling a sexual assault case in the past 6 years. Its become a part of the process.
I agree with TAMU here. Morning regret doesn't necessarily constitute a crime. But in this day of social media.......
I bet you deal with that all the time. Hard to judge sometimes for sure.
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I gotcha. Makes sense. Of course Watson isn't so worried about being tossed out of school right now.
That's often the rub in these situations. Students have much more pressing matters that they just forfeit their conduct case. For example, I work closely with the conduct office and sometimes serve on conduct panels. Most of the time I end up hearing drug cases (though one time I got to hear a case on a prank involving a hand grenade. That was fun). Students hire lawyers to advise them on both their criminal drug case and their conduct case. The lawyers 9 times out of 10, tell them to plead the 5th for the conduct case to avoid any possibility of it damaging their criminal case. Unfortunately, that means the panel only has the police and conduct reports to consider when making their decision.
But it doesn't really matter I guess, all of the drug cases I have heard where there are also criminal charges have ended up with the student in jail.
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Fist degree sexual assault charges aren't a "run of the mill" he said/she said situation that sits in this grey area we are trying to make less grey right now. To bring that type of charge is a serious issue and one would think a significant amount of direct evidence (DNA, medical, witnesses, etc)
I would hope that any university would take direct and overt action in these types of situations as there should be no grey. I would certainly expect Marquette to do so.
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Fair enough. I'll feel sad for his family.
Den somewear along da wey, maybe kin shoulda taught 'im wright from wrong, ai na?
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And kudos to Creighton for taking it seriously as well. There are more than a few schools who would have pulled the "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense regardless of the evidence.
Nonsense??? I don't know the details of this particular case, but are you sure you want to throw out due process in the era of Duke Lacrosse/UVA Jackie/Lena Dunham?
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Nonsense??? I don't know the details of this particular case, but are you sure you want to throw out due process in the era of Duke Lacrosse/UVA Jackie/Lena Dunham?
Creighton has every right to limit Watson's ability to participate in athletic activities under its code of conduct. They do not have to meet the "innocent until proven guilty" standard.
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Creighton has every right to limit Watson's ability to participate in athletic activities under its code of conduct. They do not have to meet the "innocent until proven guilty" standard.
This.
Universities can and should take an aggressive position on their code of conduct enforcement. Just like all students should take an aggressive position on trying to avoid situations that could put you in jeopardy of a code violation of this magnitude.
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Creighton has every right to limit Watson's ability to participate in athletic activities under its code of conduct. They do not have to meet the "innocent until proven guilty" standard.
Correct. Not to get into the weeds but it's a preponderance of the evidence standard as well. Moreover, they don't have to wait until anything fully adjudicated. Playing basketball isn't a right.
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Watson is innocent till proven guilty. There are many false charges being thrown around these days. Take this recent case for example....
http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/teen-charged-with-lying-about-being-raped-by-college-football-players/
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Hmm...I am a wealthy MU alum. I pay a few hundred woman to accuse the best players in the top 25 of rape. MU walks to the National Championship.
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Watson is innocent till proven guilty. There are many false charges being thrown around these days. Take this recent case for example....
http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/teen-charged-with-lying-about-being-raped-by-college-football-players/
No one said he isn't innocent until proven guilty.
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Watson is innocent till proven guilty. There are many false charges being thrown around these days. Take this recent case for example....
http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/teen-charged-with-lying-about-being-raped-by-college-football-players/
Yes, that's a legal concept that the public (those outside the case) are not bound to much like the public does not have to take it one game at a time. But obviously, rushing to judgment with these kinds of things is dangerous...it's also human nature--that's why jury selection is critical!
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Hmm...I am a wealthy MU alum. I pay a few hundred woman to accuse the best players in the top 25 of rape. MU walks to the National Championship.
Yeah. Let's go make sure a young woman accuses a guy on a BE opponent who's out for the year with a torn ACL of rape because it helps our basketball team so much!
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Watson is innocent till proven guilty. There are many false charges being thrown around these days. Take this recent case for example....
http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/teen-charged-with-lying-about-being-raped-by-college-football-players/
Define many. Most recent estimates by the Department of Justice put the false reporting rate at around 3%...which is around the same rate as most crimes.
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Watson is innocent till proven guilty. There are many false charges being thrown around these days. Take this recent case for example....
http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/teen-charged-with-lying-about-being-raped-by-college-football-players/
As it pertains to a criminal conviction, agree 100%.
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Define many. Most recent estimates by the Department of Justice put the false reporting rate at around 3%...which is around the same rate as most crimes.
Safe to say where there's smoke there's (at least a little) fire. The legal system does an adequate job of pursuing that smoke to ensure it's not a false alarm.
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Define many. Most recent estimates by the Department of Justice put the false reporting rate at around 3%...which is around the same rate as most crimes.
3 percent creates a large absolute, hence many.
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Possible, but to be honest, just about every school has been accused of mishandling a sexual assault case in the past 6 years. Its become a part of the process.
Agreed, but the recent campus uproar at Creighton, especially in combination with Watson being out for the year, made decisions here infinitely easier.
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Felony warrant issued for Creighton point guard Maurice Watson Jr.
2/24/17 4:34 PM CT
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18754122/felony-warrant-issued-creighton-bluejays-maurice-watson-jr
Authorities have issued a felony warrant charging Creighton point guard Maurice Watson Jr. with first-degree sexual assault.
Stu Dornan, one of Watson's attorneys, told the Omaha World-Herald on Friday that Watson is en route from Philadelphia to Omaha to turn himself in.
According to an incident report, a 19-year-old woman said Watson had non-consensual sexual intercourse with her in the bathroom of a midtown residence about 3 a.m. on Feb. 4.
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In before the lock!
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Watson is being used by over zealous prosecutors.
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Watson is being used by over zealous prosecutors.
You're a piece of work.
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You're a piece of work.
Ordinarily I am law and order. I smell a scam here. Explain how a kid with a torn ACL rapes a woman in a bathroom when he is hours away from his surgery .
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Ordinarily I am law and order. I smell a scam here. Explain how a kid with a torn ACL rapes a woman in a bathroom when he is hours away from his surgery .
Ummmmm, not sure this is real or not, but ACL reconstruction is an outpatient procedure. There's also a possibility that he had a nerve block and won't even feel his knee for up to 24 hours.
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Ummmmm, not sure this is real or not, but ACL reconstruction is an outpatient procedure. There's also a possibility that he had a nerve block and won't even feel his knee for up to 24 hours.
Ok still there is the pure physics involved . She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.
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Ok still there is the pure physics involved . She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.
Oh dear god no. She was on top so it couldn't have been rape? Seriously?
Interestingly enough, I had a student once use the "I recently had knee surgery, I couldn't have gotten into the position she described." I won't go in to details but we were able to prove definitively that he could get into the exact position she described....with no extra effort.
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3 percent creates a large absolute, hence many.
Yes it does. Which is why we have the criminal justice process to root out those 3%.
When someone reports another crime like theft or battery do you assume that the victim is making a false report too?
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Watson is being used by over zealous prosecutors.
Ordinarily I am law and order. I smell a scam here. Explain how a kid with a torn ACL rapes a woman in a bathroom when he is hours away from his surgery .
Sadly, I can think of literally dozens of ways. Keep in mind that this is first degree sexual assault. A DA will usually only bring those charges when they feel it is a sure thing. Could mean there was a drug involved, could mean a weapon was involved, could mean there was physical assault in addition to the sexual assault, it could mean that she was so drunk that she was unconscious (A DA would never bring first degree charges if it was a drunk but alert situation).
It's one thing to say "we don't know what happened, innocent until proven guilty." It's another to say definitively that it is a scam and he is being railroaded.
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Sadly, I can think of literally dozens of ways. Keep in mind that this is first degree sexual assault. A DA will usually only bring those charges when they feel it is a sure thing. Could mean there was a drug involved, could mean a weapon was involved, could mean there was physical assault in addition to the sexual assault, it could mean that she was so drunk that she was unconscious (A DA would never bring first degree charges if it was a drunk but alert situation).
It's one thing to say "we don't know what happened, innocent until proven guilty." It's another to say definitively that it is a scam and he is being railroaded.
Prosecutors bring false charges to further their political careers. Happens frequently. Great example Duke Lacrosse about 10 years ago. More recently look at the bogus charges made by DA in Baltimore , where every case was thrown out.
The accusers in these situations are frequently unstable liars.
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Ordinarily I am law and order. I smell a scam here. Explain how a kid with a torn ACL rapes a woman in a bathroom when he is hours away from his surgery .
This may be one of the dumbest assumptions ever. He had torn his ACL almost 3 weeks earlier. I know people that 3-weeks after an ACL tear were back to light jogging without surgery. Explain how such an individual, especially a well trained athlete, couldn't rape a woman, especially if they may have been drugged.
Heck Dajuan Blair played in the NBA for years without any ACL's.
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This may be one of the dumbest assumptions ever. He had torn his ACL almost 3 weeks earlier. I know people that 3-weeks after an ACL tear were back to light jogging without surgery. Explain how such an individual, especially a well trained athlete, couldn't rape a woman, especially if they may have been drugged.
Heck Dajuan Blair played in the NBA for years without any ACL's.
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/attorney-maurice-watson-adamantly-denies-sexual-assault-allegation-is-returning/article_c33741a8-faba-11e6-80b2-43586d6edf9a.html
I believe Watson.
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Prosecutors bring false charges to further their political careers. Happens frequently. Great example Duke Lacrosse about 10 years ago. More recently look at the bogus charges made by DA in Baltimore , where every case was thrown out.
The accusers in these situations are frequently unstable liars.
I'm sure it does happen, but very rarely with sexual assault. DAs like cases that are winnable. Its currently estimated that 98% of rapists never spend a day in jail. Part of that is because of undereporting but most of it is because sexual assault is next to impossible to prove in our judicial system. A vast majority of cases never get heard because the DA knows that they'll never win in court. I would guess your "frequently" is probably less than 0.5% of the time. Certainly possible but highly improbable.
Everyone brings up Duke LAX. I wouldn't be so sure it is the golden example you are looking for. The DA was a moron and did break the law to try and make his case. But that doesn't necessarily mean that something horrible didn't happen to that young woman at that party.
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Ok still there is the pure physics involved . She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.
Dude had surgery on February 6 according to his Twitter feed. His knee was not fine to play college basketball, it was fine to do many other things. I think you should be quiet on this subject. His knee has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.
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Ok still there is the pure physics involved . She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.
MFINY, you've said some dumb crap on Scoop over the years, but this one takes the cake.
I'm embarrassed that the words you wrote here, and in your other posts on this subject, appeared on a message board associated with the University I graduated from. It's sickening and I'm disgusted.
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I'm sure it does happen, but very rarely with sexual assault. DAs like cases that are winnable. Its currently estimated that 98% of rapists never spend a day in jail. Part of that is because of undereporting but most of it is because sexual assault is next to impossible to prove in our judicial system. A vast majority of cases never get heard because the DA knows that they'll never win in court. I would guess your "frequently" is probably less than 0.5% of the time. Certainly possible but highly improbable.
Everyone brings up Duke LAX. I wouldn't be so sure it is the golden example you are looking for. The DA was a moron and did break the law to try and make his case. But that doesn't necessarily mean that something horrible didn't happen to that young woman at that party.
She was a proven liar and convicted murderer.
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MFINY, you've said some dumb crap on Scoop over the years, but this one takes the cake.
I'm embarrassed that the words you wrote here, and in your other posts on this subject, appeared on a message board associated with the University I graduated from. It's sickening and I'm disgusted.
Here is some data from Columbia University on the specifics of the physics .
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/problems-c-l-lead-problems-s-e-x
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Here is some data from Columbia University on the specifics of the physics .
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/problems-c-l-lead-problems-s-e-x
Holy sh*t.....
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Here is some data from Columbia University on the specifics of the physics .
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/problems-c-l-lead-problems-s-e-x
That's a freaking advice column.
Go away.
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http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/attorney-maurice-watson-adamantly-denies-sexual-assault-allegation-is-returning/article_c33741a8-faba-11e6-80b2-43586d6edf9a.html
I believe Watson.
That's fine if you do. I'm not sure what you base this belief on. He refused to speak to police. Literally the only statement that he has been made was his lawyer saying he denies the allegations. I don't believe one side or the other at this point, but from my experience in dealing with these cases, the DA bringing first degree charges and an arrest warrant leads me to believe that their must be strong evidence.
I do think it is questionable that you would automatically jump to the defense of an accused rapist when there has been no evidence made public that supports him. You don't have to jump to the defense of the young woman by why jump at all?
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That's a freaking advice column.
Go away.
There is some good analysis as to impacts on the knee in chart form.
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Watson is being used by over zealous prosecutors.
Ordinarily I am law and order. I smell a scam here. Explain how a kid with a torn ACL rapes a woman in a bathroom when he is hours away from his surgery .
Ok still there is the pure physics involved . She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.
Ok still there is the pure physics involved . She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.
I don't like to make comments on posters' personalities because (at least as far as I know) I've never met any (or at least many) of you. I will disagree with posters on their opinions, say they're online clowns or tough guys, etc. (all of which I am guilty to myself), but I try to stay away from making comments about who someone is as a person, even the people I disagree with most on here. I am certain I have failed at that at times, but I try not to talk about how someone is this or that because I wouldn't know.
Now having said that, what the eff is wrong with you? This is disgusting. I am dead serious about this, get some friggin help.
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That's fine if you do. I'm not sure what you base this belief on. He refused to speak to police. Literally the only statement that he has been made was his lawyer saying he denies the allegations. I don't believe one side or the other at this point, but from my experience in dealing with these cases, the DA bringing first degree charges and an arrest warrant leads me to believe that their must be strong evidence.
I do think it is questionable that you would automatically jump to the defense of an accused rapist when there has been no evidence made public that supports him. You don't have to jump to the defense of the young woman by why jump at all?
You are taking the exact opposite position and saying because the DA is bringing charges he is likely guilty.
It is not a popular thing these days to back an accused rapist but I truly believe there is more to the story here.
It is the same feeling I had when Nick Noskowiak first said he was depressed. I said there was more going on and people accused me of being insensitive etc, well guess what I was right.
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I don't like to make comments on posters' personalities because (at least as far as I know) I've never met any (or at least many) of you. I will disagree with posters on their opinions, say they're online clowns or tough guys, etc. (all of which I am guilty to myself), but I try to stay away from making comments about who someone is as a person, even the people I disagree with most on here. I am certain I have failed at that at times, but I try not to talk about how someone is this or that because I wouldn't know.
Now having said that, what the eff is wrong with you? This is disgusting. I am dead serious about this, get some friggin help.
Watson is a good guy and I am trying to defend him.
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She was a proven liar and convicted murderer.
Proven liar? Or vulnerable sexual assault survivor who lied under the direction of an idiotic and corrupt DA? I don't know. I have many networks in this field, including some who worked on this case directly. They have led me to believe that the second might be true. They also all agree that the 30 for 30 was misleading at best.
The convicted murderer piece didn't happen until after the case. Not excusing what she had done but after everything she went through, I'm not surprised she had a mental break. I can give you all sorts of research on the mental trauma caused by sexual assault and the possible after effects.
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You are taking the exact opposite position and saying because the DA is bringing charges he is likely guilty.
It is not a popular thing these days to back an accused rapist but I truly believe there is more to the story here.
It is the same feeling I had when Nick Noskowiak first said he was depressed. I said there was more going on and people accused me of being insensitive etc, well guess what I was right.
You diagnosed Noskowiak based on...what?
Man, all we really need is MUFNNY to look at a case and let his gut decision decide whether someone is guilty, mentally ill, etc.
Seriously. Get help.
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Here is some data from Columbia University on the specifics of the physics .
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/problems-c-l-lead-problems-s-e-x
1. .....that's an advice column. Just because it has Columbia University stamped on it doesn't mean its a scholarly article.
2. This is about a woman having trouble orgasming after an ACL injury. Not a man having trouble having sex after an acl injury. So not related.
3. Also, this article contradicts your point. You said that she would have to be on top which means it couldn't be rape (which is SO SO SO very wrong). The chart shows that you can have sex in multiple positions with a knee injury.
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Proven liar? Or vulnerable sexual assault survivor who lied under the direction of an idiotic and corrupt DA? I don't know. I have many networks in this field, including some who worked on this case directly. They have led me to believe that the second might be true. They also all agree that the 30 for 30 was misleading at best.
The convicted murderer piece didn't happen until after the case. Not excusing what she had done but after everything she went through, I'm not surprised she had a mental break. I can give you all sorts of research on the mental trauma caused by sexual assault and the possible after effects.
The girl was mentally unstable from day 1.
The recent Sacred Heart case is very relevant to this case.
The Big elephant in the room is of course our own recent history. Whose side are you taking there?
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1. .....that's an advice column. Just because it has Columbia University stamped on it doesn't mean its a scholarly article.
2. This is about a woman having trouble orgasming after an ACL injury. Not a man having trouble having sex after an acl injury. So not related.
3. Also, this article contradicts your point. You said that she would have to be on top which means it couldn't be rape (which is SO SO SO very wrong). The chart shows that you can have sex in multiple positions with a knee injury.
The one item in the chart with question mark which related was standing Which is what he would have to do.
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You are taking the exact opposite position and saying because the DA is bringing charges he is likely guilty.
It is not a popular thing these days to back an accused rapist but I truly believe there is more to the story here.
It is the same feeling I had when Nick Noskowiak first said he was depressed. I said there was more going on and people accused me of being insensitive etc, well guess what I was right.
But I'm not. I've said repeatedly I don't believe either side without being able to see all the evidence myself. I have not said that he is guilty once. You on the other hand have definitely said this is a scam and he is innocent.
Based on the information I have, I am leaning towards believing the young woman. But that is based on the evidence that a DA is bringing first degree charges when I work in this field and I know how rare that is. The only evidence that has been presented on the other side is a lawyer saying he didn't do it. But again, my mind is far from made up.
Again, saying I think there might be more to the story is one thing. Saying definitively that this is scam is another.
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The one item in the chart with question mark which related was standing Which is what he would have to do.
The girl was mentally unstable from day 1.
The recent Sacred Heart case is very relevant to this case.
The Big elephant in the room is of course our own recent history. Whose side are you taking there?
From what I have heard, yes she was. Which would be consistent with someone who was sexually assaulted.
Why is the Sacred Heart case relevant? Does that also mean the thousands of cases where someone accused someone of sexual assault and they actually did it are also relevant?
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The one item in the chart with question mark which related was standing Which is what he would have to do.
So Alice from AskAlice put a ? next to standing and that means someone with an ACL injury couldn't commit a sexual assault huh?
1. There are dozens of positions that don't involve standing, including ones she listed on her chart.
2. He was more than capable of standing. We saw him walk out on to the court on his own power during the Marquette game.
3. You are assuming it was vaginal or anal penetration. I could have been oral or digital penetration.
4. You can still rape someone even if they are on top.
He might be innocent. I have no idea. But his knee was not capable of stopping him from committing a sexual assault if he wanted to.
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Props to MUFNY for taking the unpopular opinion side. But holy balls he's lost it. Unreadable and ridiculous.
Sure Watson is innocent until proven guilty.
But this is embarrassing and semi-moronic MUFNY.
I thought you were silly when you said MU needs to win 4 straight to get to the tourney... but now I see you're nuts.
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Watson is a good guy and I am trying to defend him.
1. How do you know Watson is a good guy?
2. If his lawyer relies upon most of the "defense" you have provided in this comment stream, he will end up in prison for many years.
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You and I part ways on that one.
I understand Glow and what I think I'm meaning is I feel like someone made a really dumb decision that hurt someone badly. Punishment is warranted if convicted and you feel bad because there was so much in front of this person.
I feel bad because I hate to see wasted talent.
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Possible, but to be honest, just about every school has been accused of mishandling a sexual assault case in the past 6 years. Its become a part of the process.
Except for ND. They're God's team, and can do no wrong. Just ask them.
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That's fine if you do. I'm not sure what you base this belief on. He refused to speak to police. Literally the only statement that he has been made was his lawyer saying he denies the allegations. I don't believe one side or the other at this point, but from my experience in dealing with these cases, the DA bringing first degree charges and an arrest warrant leads me to believe that their must be strong evidence.
I do think it is questionable that you would automatically jump to the defense of an accused rapist when there has been no evidence made public that supports him. You don't have to jump to the defense of the young woman by why jump at all?
Don't feed the troll. He was obviously dropped on his head by his mother.
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Prosecutors bring false charges to further their political careers. Happens frequently. Great example Duke Lacrosse about 10 years ago. More recently look at the bogus charges made by DA in Baltimore , where every case was thrown out.
The accusers in these situations are frequently unstable liars.
Women who state they were raped are "frequently unstable liars"???
Holy crap
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Kama sutra, baby. I'm not of da opinion dat even a fraction of reportred rapes are fabricated. Can a broad entice and bee a prick tease, leavin' ya high and dry. Yeah, of course and most of us have all bin der >:( Butt, a normal, ethically obedient, stud is knot gonna shove his junk inta an uninvited pussay. Count me in da "knot agreein' wit dis analysis" bunch wit regards ta dis topic. Never ceases ta amaze how one can manage to fook up prosperity, ai na?
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The one item in the chart with question mark which related was standing Which is what he would have to do.
Trying to ensure Scoop Takes is renamed MUFINY Takes, eh?
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OK, I'm gonna shut this down to keep more fans from making us look bad (rocket, Fan in NY, I'm looking at you).
As a point of reference, you don't have to "take sides" or defend anyone (the accuser or the accused) here. That happens though the legal system. Posting your analysis of how it could have happened, or making jokes about it is not appropriate.
C'mon people.