I highly doubt they take 7 BE teams.
We ain't getting the nod over Providence if we lost both to them.
Hall is looking great barring completely unraveling.
Really gotta play our best game Saturday.
You couldn't post this in one of the other gazillion threads where folks are discussing the importance of winning on Saturday?
Get a grip, people.
Agreed with you 100 percent.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on February 22, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
I highly doubt they take 7 BE teams.
We ain't getting the nod over Providence if we lost both to them.
Hall is looking great barring completely unraveling.
Really gotta play our best game Saturday.
No it hasn't. And X could still play their way out, honestly.
Win 2 of 3 and we're safe. That hasn't changed.
PC could easily lose at SJU, as well.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on February 22, 2017, 10:18:23 PM
You couldn't post this in one of the other gazillion threads where folks are discussing the importance of winning on Saturday?
Get a grip, people.
You gonna survive?
This is a completely different thread.
Talking about this 1 game. Between two teams in basically identical position now.
But that's for commenting
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 22, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
No it hasn't. And X could still play their way out, honestly.
Win 2 of 3 and we're safe. That hasn't changed.
PC could easily lose at SJU, as well.
Hall still has to beat Gtown too because I doubt they win @ Butler. I'll concede Depaul.
Would be interesting to see what happens if we all finish 9-9. Wonder if PCs potential sweep of us outweighs their losses to Depaul and BC.
And if you wanna get really optimistic, we now are in 4th place and control our destiny for 3rd.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 22, 2017, 10:25:14 PM
Hall still has to beat Gtown too because I doubt they win @ Butler. I'll concede Butler.
Would be interesting to see what happens if we all finish 9-9. Wonder if PCs potential sweep of us outweighs their losses to Depaul and BC.
Hall appears to be ok at 8-10.
Many had them in at 6-8. Now they have a top 50 win.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on February 22, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
Hall appears to be ok at 8-10.
Many had them in at 6-8. Now they have a top 50 win.
Everyone had us in at 7-7 so 9-9 we should be safe then...
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 22, 2017, 10:35:51 PM
Everyone had us in at 7-7 so 9-9 we should be safe then...
Logic doesn't work that way!!
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 22, 2017, 10:25:14 PM
Hall still has to beat Gtown too because I doubt they win @ Butler. I'll concede Depaul.
Would be interesting to see what happens if we all finish 9-9. Wonder if PCs potential sweep of us outweighs their losses to Depaul and BC.
Losses to St. John's and Georgetown by MU is not good either.
It is Not a play-in game as if we lose to Providence but beat X and Creighton we are very likely in and there is still a decent chance to dance with 9-9 finish + wins in BET, which has been frequently discussed.
Of course, everyone would prefer a Win Saturday to enhance our chances give us some margin for error in last 2 games.
It is a big game and My prediction (hope) is that we get it done Saturday!!
If (when) we do, that doesn't mean the Friars are out either.
No it is not a play in game. The committee will absolutely take 7 teams from the BEast if they deserve it. The B12 got 8/10 not too long ago. A lot of bubble teams from other conferences lost tonight. Good for the conference. If we lose to Providence, which is a big if, we still get in if we win @Xavier and home vs. Creighton.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 22, 2017, 11:06:39 PM
No it is not a play in game. The committee will absolutely take 7 teams from the BEast if they deserve it. The B12 got 8/10 not too long ago. A lot of bubble teams from other conferences lost tonight. Good for the conference. If we lose to Providence, which is a big if, we still get in if we win @Xavier and home vs. Creighton.
Highly unlikely 7 from BE get in.
Quote from: bilsu on February 22, 2017, 10:55:07 PM
Losses to St. John's and Georgetown by MU is not good either.
Georgetown RPI=77
St. Johns=123
Depaul RPI=223
BC RPI=204
Yeah, our losses look fine in comparison.
I think people give Creighton too much credit since Mo Watson went down. They are 4-5 with home losses to Marquette, Providence, and a Sumner-less Xavier. Road losses to Georgetown and Hall. 2 of their 4 wins were gimmes against Depaul. One was a home win to Georgetown. Really their only win of significance was at Butler which is just one of those WTF games. I don't think Providence beating them was as big of an upset as some might think. I think we can beat them handily in Milwaukee.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 22, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Highly unlikely 7 from BE get in.
Why?
Nova, Butler, Creighton are locks.
X just needs to win @DPL and they are a lock.
Providence wins out and they are a lock.
Hall wins @DPL and vs. GTWN and they are a lock.
Marquette loses at Providence but wins @X and Creighton and they are a lock.
Very easy path to 7 bids for the Big East.
1.5 weeks left for the major conferences, plus the league tourneys. There's way too much time left to declare anything a play-in game. A lot can change.
I like MU's chances to get two out of the last three.
Providence looked dang good. They have won 3 straight...
The problem for the Big East is there's Nova and Butler, and then there's a whole lot of mediocre. Xavier would've been solid if healthy and Creighton very good if healthy. Unfortunately they aren't healthy and as a result the BE as a whole takes a hit.
MU getting separation from the middle of the pack would've been more important than keeping 7 teams alive for a bid in the BE. Let's pretend the BE gets 7 in. Sure that looks really good. But when the BE record in the NCAA Tournament is 5-7 that's not great. I would've been perfectly happy with 4 BE teams in as long as MU was one of them and 2 of them did well.
Good news is if we respect the process and go 1-0 on Saturday that gives us some of that separation that would help.
Work wins.
We need to win all 3 of our remaining plus 1 BET game to get in. That would give us 21 wins.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 23, 2017, 01:01:17 AM
We need to win all 3 of our remaining plus 1 BET game to get in. That would give us 21 wins.
Number of wins doesn't matter in the slightest. If we win our next 3 we're talking about seeding rather than if we're in or not.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 23, 2017, 02:46:02 AM
Number of wins doesn't matter in the slightest. If we win our next 3 we're talking about seeding rather than if we're in or not.
Pretty sure he's just auditioning for Scoop Takes...
The Big East can and at this point probably should get 7 teams in.
Just realized that if MU wins Saturday there is a VERY likely chance, it will(at least for now) move into the 3 spot in the BE(Creighton @ Nova). That is EXACTLY where we want them to be or at least i do.
Play some hard defense and we'll win
Quote from: muguru on February 23, 2017, 05:49:01 AM
Just realized that if MU wins Saturday there is a VERY likely chance, it will(at least for now) move into the 3 spot in the BE(Creighton @ Nova). That is EXACTLY where we want them to be or at least i do.
Exactly. We now control our own destiny for finishing in 3rd in conference. Don't have to rely on anyone else losing. We win out and we are third and don't see Nova until the BET final.
Not a play-in game. Just need 2 of 3. If MU loses on Saturday, going 2 of 3 means wins against Xavier and Creighton. Even if Xavier wins its other games, that puts MU in a tie versus them, with MU getting the tie-breaker in the BE tourney. Assuming a Creighton loss to Nova, that puts MU in a tie with Creighton. If they get 2 of three, they have a very decent shot at the 3 seed in the BE Tourney. I haven't done the work to figure it out, but in a five-team tie, I like MU's 5-3 record against the rest. Next tie-breaker is the record against Nova (I think), and MU has a leg up there. I'd be pretty shocked if the 3 seed in the BE tourney doesn't see its name on Selection Sunday.
I know that it's cool to talk about getting the 3 seed and someone's got to take it but I almost feel like we're setting ourselves back up for disapointment like after the Nova win. I agree it's possible and would be awesome but don't get your hopes up.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 23, 2017, 07:22:11 AM
I know that it's cool to talk about getting the 3 seed and someone's got to take it but I almost feel like we're setting ourselves back up for disapointment like after the Nova win. I agree it's possible and would be awesome but don't get your hopes up.
Providence is playing very well now. They also control their own destiny.
Quote from: forgetful on February 22, 2017, 11:09:18 PM
Georgetown RPI=77
St. Johns=123
Depaul RPI=223
BC RPI=204
Yeah, our losses look fine in comparison.
Our losses are more recent than Providence's losses. Providence is a much better team now then when they lost to those two teams.
We need to beat providence
Quote from: bilsu on February 23, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
Providence is playing very well now. They also control their own destiny.
Georgetown crushed us and then lost to DePaul. We were looking like world beaters and then dropped 4 of 5. Momentum can swing quickly.
Both teams should be focused, however we have seen a number of times in games with our team or opponents that isn't always the case. I say to myself, "don't the know how big this game is? Why are they laying such an egg?"
We lost some cushion but I think what's happened is we have a little more work to do at 9-9. 10-8 and we should still be dancing.
This game would be a very nice win and would make our margin for error greater to end the season.
It is not a "must win." It is not a play in game.
Really, all this shows is how worthless the RPI has become as a metric for entrance into March Madness.
Marquette is weak from an RPI position because 3 cupcakes turned out to be way fatter than planned and sPitt sucks. Last year I killed MU for scheduling Non-con way too easy, this year they did much better(not great but should have been fine) but several buy games turned out to be clunkers which drags down the RPI.
Winning @Providence or @Xavier will help a lot because those count for more in the RPI.
If we win two out of three, our projected RPI will be in the 50s which will be good enough to get us in.
Quote from: bilsu on February 23, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
Providence is playing very well now. They also control their own destiny.
Well they control their own destiny for a tournament bid at this point. But not for third place. They need X to lose once and Creighton to lose twice for that to happen. We control our own destiny because we own the tiebreaker on both and play Creighton.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 22, 2017, 11:14:28 PM
Why?
Nova, Butler, Creighton are locks.
X just needs to win @DPL and they are a lock.
Providence wins out and they are a lock.
Hall wins @DPL and vs. GTWN and they are a lock.
Marquette loses at Providence but wins @X and Creighton and they are a lock.
Very easy path to 7 bids for the Big East.
That's a lot of moving parts so I'm not sure I'd call it "very easy," but your point is well-taken.
We are gonna win Saturday, all but stamping our ticket, and then will beat Creighton at home. Beating X is possible, too, but I'm gonna predict what I just said, a nice 10-8 record, and a middle (7-10) seed in the Dance. We can enhance the latter with a couple of BET wins.
I almost totally agreed with the premise of the post, 32, but as has been pointed out it really doesn't fit the true definition of a play-in game because if we win the last two, we should be OK.
With 10 wins, I think we're OK. I am deathly afraid of getting into a megatie with a bunch of teams at 9-9 - if the tiebreakers don't work out, we could go from our present lofty 4th position to finding ourselves playing on Wednesday again at MSG. Just win, baby.
We need to win these last few games
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 22, 2017, 11:23:40 PM
There's way too much time left to declare anything a play-in game. A lot can change.
Very much agree on this. Probably nothing that could be quantified as an at-large play-in game until probably the Tuesday before Fumbel does his thing.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on February 22, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
I highly doubt they take 7 BE teams.
We ain't getting the nod over Providence if we lost both to them.
Hall is looking great barring completely unraveling.
MU could lose at PC. Win at Xavier and beat Creighton at home, MU will be in!!
This will be the first game this season I won't have been able to watch, as the missus and I will be in transit to Hawaii.
We change planes in LAX and are supposed to land there at 3:04 PT, right about when the game will have ended. So as soon as they tell me I can turn on my phone, I'll be doing just that and checking the score. If the game is still going on and competitive - which very well could mean OT - I will be scurrying out of the plane as fast as possible to find an airport bar with a TV ... and then hoping they get CBSSN.
Travel is always a little stressful (sometimes a lot stressful), and this will add to it. When Wojo's lads deliver my win, I'll chill out nicely. It will be a great start to the trip!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 23, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
I almost totally agreed with the premise of the post, 32, but as has been pointed out it really doesn't fit the true definition of a play-in game because if we win the last two, we should be OK.
With 10 wins, I think we're OK. I am deathly afraid of getting into a megatie with a bunch of teams at 9-9 - if the tiebreakers don't work out, we could go from our present lofty 4th position to finding ourselves playing on Wednesday again at MSG. Just win, baby.
It was probably a little exaggerated.
But I truly believe 7 ain't getting in.
So this one becomes massive. Providence really does need to win it. And while we would almost certainly still be fine with winning the last 2 it makes our chances much slimmer.
So yeah, for us we still have hope. But this is a massive one.
I'd like to be 10-8 and know that Providence does have some claim over us.
Quote from: bilsu on February 22, 2017, 10:55:07 PM
Losses to St. John's and Georgetown by MU is not good either.
Meh. PC also lost to SJU, and Ohio State (who is at best similar to Georgetown). I don't think a road loss @ Gt hurts much, and if a road loss @ SJU is your worst loss, you're doing OK.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 23, 2017, 01:01:17 AM
We need to win all 3 of our remaining plus 1 BET game to get in. That would give us 21 wins.
You're high.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 23, 2017, 01:01:17 AM
We need to win all 3 of our remaining plus 1 BET game to get in. That would give us 21 wins.
We are currently in the tournament according to 107 out of 115 bracketologists. Why would you think that we need to win 4 games in a row in order to make it? 2-2 likely does it. 3-1 to be sure. 1-3 give us a shot. 4-0 would likely get us to 7-9 seed range depending on how other teams do.
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2017, 09:26:11 AM
This will be the first game this season I won't have been able to watch, as the missus and I will be in transit to Hawaii.
We change planes in LAX and are supposed to land there at 3:04 PT, right about when the game will have ended. So as soon as they tell me I can turn on my phone, I'll be doing just that and checking the score. If the game is still going on and competitive - which very well could mean OT - I will be scurrying out of the plane as fast as possible to find an airport bar with a TV ... and then hoping they get CBSSN.
Travel is always a little stressful (sometimes a lot stressful), and this will add to it. When Wojo's lads deliver my win, I'll chill out nicely. It will be a great start to the trip!
Dude, just buy plane wifi and watch it online!
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 10:53:42 AM
Dude, just buy plane wifi and watch it online!
I checked into that. On United's site, they say one cannot access streaming sites.
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
I checked into that. On United's site, they say one cannot access streaming sites.
Ahhh. Bummer.
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
I checked into that. On United's site, they say one cannot access streaming sites.
I have been known to buy the wifi and follow via gamecast.
I would also try wifi with the ESPN Mac & Homer radio stream -- believe sometimes that is not blocked.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 23, 2017, 01:01:17 AM
We need to win all 3 of our remaining plus 1 BET game to get in. That would give us 21 wins.
Just like JjJ should start at the point, right?
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
I checked into that. On United's site, they say one cannot access streaming sites.
Even Tunein radio?
That gets the radio feed atleast? United those dummies.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 23, 2017, 10:47:18 AM
We are currently in the tournament according to 107 out of 115 bracketologists. Why would you think that we need to win 4 games in a row in order to make it? 2-2 likely does it. 3-1 to be sure. 1-3 give us a shot. 4-0 would likely get us to 7-9 seed range depending on how other teams do.
I think 1-3 gets us in at 9-9 even with a BET loss.
This bubble is poor. (We are part of it...) but I think there will be a few surprise losses still to come for bubble teams. We just need to avoid being those losses.
Quote from: fjm on February 23, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
Even Tunein radio?
That gets the radio feed atleast? United those dummies.
Thanks to you and others for the radio tips. I'll check into it.
Anybody know if Sirius / XM is carrying the game? Will be driving and probably out of range of 540 for the 2nd Half. I might be able get tune-in to play through my car but Sirius / XM would be ideal.
While Saturday isn't a "play-in" game, Matty V noted on Twitter that if MU, SHU, and Providence all finish 9-9 as KenPom predicts, MU can win the tiebreaker only if MU beats Providence on Saturday. It'd be nice to have that. BEAT PROVIDENCE.
https://twitter.com/Matt_Velazquez/status/834777894182322176
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 23, 2017, 10:47:18 AM
We are currently in the tournament according to 107 out of 115 bracketologists. Why would you think that we need to win 4 games in a row in order to make it? 2-2 likely does it. 3-1 to be sure. 1-3 give us a shot. 4-0 would likely get us to 7-9 seed range depending on how other teams do.
1 small note.
It's more likely we go 3-2 then 3-1. Which is still fine.
But if we finish 2-1 and win our first BET game we'd still have to lose the second one.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on February 23, 2017, 12:45:05 PM
While Saturday isn't a "play-in" game, Matty V noted on Twitter that if MU, SHU, and Providence all finish 9-9 as KenPom predicts, MU can win the tiebreaker only if MU beats Providence on Saturday. It'd be nice to have that. BEAT PROVIDENCE.
https://twitter.com/Matt_Velazquez/status/834777894182322176
Yup.
I probably pulled a bit of a Heisenberg with my thread title and opening to grab attention. But the basis was how much bigger this game became with Providence dashing into the picture.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on February 23, 2017, 12:51:29 PM
Yup.
I probably pulled a bit of a Heisenberg with my thread title and opening to grab attention. But the basis was how much bigger this game became with Providence dashing into the picture.
If it were a true Heisy, the thread would have been titled, "Is Saturday a Play-In Game?" And the answer would be whatever he said it was.
Quote from: The Lens on February 23, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
Anybody know if Sirius / XM is carrying the game? Will be driving and probably out of range of 540 for the 2nd Half. I might be able get tune-in to play through my car but Sirius / XM would be ideal.
Get the ESPN app and you can listen to 540 anywhere from your phone
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 10:33:38 AM
Meh. PC also lost to SJU, and Ohio State (who is at best similar to Georgetown). I don't think a road loss @ Gt hurts much, and if a road loss @ SJU is your worst loss, you're doing OK.
I was not necessarily saying these losses were as bad as Providences, but more pointing out we have some clunkers. We were beaten by a several points in those two games, while Providence lost to DePaul by one. RPI does not take into account margins, but I have to believe the committee when they are dissecting the last few teams notice margins.
Quote from: bilsu on February 23, 2017, 03:37:14 PM
I was not necessarily saying these losses were as bad as Providences, but more pointing out we have some clunkers. We were beaten by a several points in those two games, while Providence lost to DePaul by one. RPI does not take into account margins, but I have to believe the committee when they are dissecting the last few teams notice margins.
They will, but they will also dissect other computer numbers, all of which have us far above SHU and PC.
If we lose the next three, but make the Big East finals, are we in?
Quote from: DienerTime34 on February 23, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
If we lose the next three, but make the Big East finals, are we in?
As long as we win the Big East Finals.
Quote from: fjm on February 23, 2017, 11:21:19 AM
I think 1-3 gets us in at 9-9 even with a BET loss.
This bubble is poor. (We are part of it...) but I think there will be a few surprise losses still to come for bubble teams. We just need to avoid being those losses.
I would be very nervous. 9-9 and I believe a Big East tournament win last year earned Creighton an NIT bid. 8-10 and a Big East tournament win last year earned MU a place in front of the TV set. Our schedule is better than last year, but not as much as we were hoping. Assume we beat Creighton and lose to Xavier and Providence to get to 9-9, which would give each of our competitors another win. I think 2 of Xavier, MU, Seton Hall and Providence make it and the other two do not.
But, last year many deserving teams were left out. This year it seems more like many "undeserving" teams (based on previous years' metrics) will be let in.
Quote from: bilsu on February 23, 2017, 03:47:09 PM
I would be very nervous. 9-9 and I believe a Big East tournament win last year earned Creighton an NIT bid. 8-10 and a Big East tournament win last year earned MU a place in front of the TV set. Our schedule is better than last year, but not as much as we were hoping. Assume we beat Creighton and lose to Xavier and Providence to get to 9-9, which would give each of our competitors another win. I think 2 of Xavier, MU, Seton Hall and Providence make it and the other two do not.
I'd be pretty shocked at this point if only 5 BE teams made it. X is still in fine shape. Their RPI is 22.
You have to analyze these things with an eye on the larger picture. Are they really going to take a 5-13 ACC team over a .500 BE team? No chance.
Quote from: bilsu on February 23, 2017, 03:47:09 PM
...I think 2 of Xavier, MU, Seton Hall and Providence make it and the other two do not.
I agree with this...SH and PV are coming on strong...no backing into 9-9 and getting in.
Other thoughts:
1. 10-8 will get any of the 4 in no matter what the outcomes...mathematically possible for all 4.
2. 8-10 for any of the 4 leaves them out.
2. BET tourney will be a factor...maybe even some tiebreaking games.
3. 9-9 (18-12) MU looks weaker than 9-9 (19-12) Providence if they beat us twice.
4. 9-9 (18-12) MU looks weaker than 9-9 (19-11) SH
5. 9-9 (19-12) Xavier (only beating DePaul) will need a BET win. That will be an ugly finish.
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 23, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
I agree with this...SH and PV are coming on strong...no backing into 9-9 and getting in.
Other thoughts:
1. 10-8 will get any of the 4 in no matter what the outcomes...mathematically possible for all 4.
2. 8-10 for any of the 4 leaves them out.
2. BET tourney will be a factor...maybe even some tiebreaking games.
3. 9-9 (18-12) MU looks weaker than 9-9 (19-12) Providence if they beat us twice.
4. 9-9 (18-12) MU looks weaker than 9-9 (19-11) SH
5. 9-9 (19-12) Xavier (only beating DePaul) will need a BET win. That will be an ugly finish.
Simply counting wins and losses isn't a very scientific method of determining who looks better in a 3 way 9-9 tie. Hopefully the committee puts more thought into it than that. X will be fine at 9-9. They ate very solidly in the field right now.
Quote from: The Lens on February 23, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
Anybody know if Sirius / XM is carrying the game? Will be driving and probably out of range of 540 for the 2nd Half. I might be able get tune-in to play through my car but Sirius / XM would be ideal.
SXM 201 (Internet 961)
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 10:53:42 AM
Dude, just buy plane wifi and watch it online!
Note: Many flights, especially United and AA, still do not have over water wifi on Hawaiian flights. Download your books and movies before. Wifi ends in LA.
82, where you landing? Neither Lihue nor Kona have airport bars that I remember. Waiting for bags is a chore as well.
Hang ten!
http://beatofhawaii.com/wifi-coming-to-hawaii-flights/
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2017, 05:37:10 PM
Note: Many flights, especially United and AA, still do not have over water wifi on Hawaiian flights. Download your books and movies before. Wifi ends in LA.
82, where you landing? Neither Lihue nor Kona have airport bars that I remember. Waiting for bags is a chore as well.
Hang ten!
http://beatofhawaii.com/wifi-coming-to-hawaii-flights/
Yah I figured that out last year when I flew to Maui in early January. That was Alaskan airlines. Only MU game I've missed since the Omaha debacle that wasn't televised last minute.
IIRC, I thought he said he was landing in LAX, I suppose I figured on a layover, but maybe coming from HI. In either event, doesn't sound like it matters!
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 04:57:31 PM
Simply counting wins and losses isn't a very scientific method of determining who looks better in a 3 way 9-9 tie. Hopefully the committee puts more thought into it than that. X will be fine at 9-9. They ate very solidly in the field right now.
Yep, more than just wins and losses. How we finish, how the conference will be represented. I say 5 unless 10-8s override. Numbers like RPI. Health of the team. Head2head with other bubbles. Prejudices of committee members. Yep all of it. And I stick with what I said.
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 23, 2017, 06:03:16 PM
Yep, more than just wins and losses. How we finish, how the conference will be represented. I say 5 unless 10-8s override. Numbers like RPI. Health of the team. Head2head with other bubbles. Prejudices of committee members. Yep all of it. And I stick with what I said.
Fair enough. I think anyone 9-9 or better from the BE gets in. I think 6 is the likely number. The info available would seem to suggest that any of the BE teams at 9-9 get in (PC w probably the worst case at 9-9), but I guess we'll see.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 06:09:06 PM
Fair enough. I think anyone 9-9 or better from the BE gets in. I think 6 is the likely number. The info available would seem to suggest that any of the BE teams at 9-9 get in (PC w probably the worst case at 9-9), but I guess we'll see.
Agreed, and I'm thinking we'll get 7 teams in. Saturday is big, but neither Marquette nor Providence would be eliminated with a loss.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2017, 05:37:10 PM
Note: Many flights, especially United and AA, still do not have over water wifi on Hawaiian flights. Download your books and movies before. Wifi ends in LA.
82, where you landing? Neither Lihue nor Kona have airport bars that I remember. Waiting for bags is a chore as well.
Doc, the game will be going on during the ORD-to-LAX portion of my looooong journey. I will be landing at LAX just after 3 p.m. (5 p.m. MU time). I won't be picking up any bags because they will be checked through to LIH (I hope!). If MU-PU go OT, not sure I'd even be able to find an airport bar with CBSSN.
I feel you, 82. Our flight for Riviera Maya leaves right around tipoff. Hoping to catch it on the plane, but not optimistic.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 23, 2017, 07:02:19 PM
I feel you, 82. Our flight for Riviera Maya leaves right around tipoff. Hoping to catch it on the plane, but not optimistic.
Rough life you have there guys, going to Mexico and Hawaii in the dead of winter, we all really feel for you
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Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
Doc, the game will be going on during the ORD-to-LAX portion of my looooong journey. I will be landing at LAX just after 3 p.m. (5 p.m. MU time). I won't be picking up any bags because they will be checked through to LIH (I hope!). If MU-PU go OT, not sure I'd even be able to find an airport bar with CBSSN.
Ah perfect. CBSSN has a free streaming app. With UA going to all personal devices to all personal devices and no seatback screens, maybe you will get lucky. Expect non-luxury from LAX to LIH. It is a long way to paradise, but a Duke's Mai Tai awaits you!
I don't get why ANYONE ever makes plans during MU season..You plan things around MU. Dont feel sorry for you guys at all. It's your own fault(s)! :)
NO game is a play-in game until we get to the BET....
Again, the committee does not care how many bids a conference gets. Not at all. There is no quota. The B12 has gotten 80% of its members in before. The BEast can get 70% with no issue. We should look at Providence and Seton Hall no differently than any other bubble team.
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
I checked into that. On United's site, they say one cannot access streaming sites.
Fyi... I have listened to ESPN radio. Video is out tho.
Quote from: muguru on February 23, 2017, 07:30:18 PM
I don't get why ANYONE ever makes plans during MU season..You plan things around MU. Dont feel sorry for you guys at all. It's your own fault(s)! :)
That would be called marriage. If it was during the tourney we wouldn't be going. Also, since the wife was willing to travel to both Annapolis and New York for games this past November, and agreed to going to the Maui Classic, I don't think I can really begrudge her missing a couple road games.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 23, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
That would be called marriage. If it was during the tourney we wouldn't be going. Also, since the wife was willing to travel to both Annapolis and New York for games this past November, and agreed to going to the Maui Classic, I don't think I can really begrudge her missing a couple road games.
As long as you are wearing your Al Jacket at the beach, you are covered. Enjoy! You are a #1 fan.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 23, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
That would be called marriage. If it was during the tourney we wouldn't be going. Also, since the wife was willing to travel to both Annapolis and New York for games this past November, and agreed to going to the Maui Classic, I don't think I can really begrudge her missing a couple road games.
My ex wife and I divorced because she got tired of the world revolving around MU. I wasn't going to change that. She said it's me or MU..That was an easy decision. I chose MU. Gotta have priorities. :-*
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
As long as you are wearing your Al Jacket at the beach, you are covered. Enjoy! You are a #1 fan.
Plus Tax.
It's been forever since I bought Wifi on an airplane because the last time I did the connection was sooooooo slow. I could hardly just get to normal, non-video websites (MUScoop, ESPN.com, etc.), so I have gone to just listening to music and trying to sleep during flights (don't fly a ton anyway, couple times a year). I can't imagine that even if streaming website wasn't blocked the connection would be strong enough for video to actually work. Have airlines upgraded their Wifi?
Quote from: muguru on February 23, 2017, 07:30:18 PM
I don't get why ANYONE ever makes plans during MU season..You plan things around MU. Dont feel sorry for you guys at all. It's your own fault(s)! :)
Sounds like chick's view of the world.
I think I got this right, if every other game is how it's supposed to go. Game order is: @Providence, @X, Creighton home.
WWW- 3 seed
WWL- 4 seed
WLL- 5 seed
WLW- 4 seed
LLL- 7 seed
LWL- 6 seed
LWW- 4 seed
LLW-6 seed
Quote from: muguru on February 23, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
My ex wife and I divorced because she got tired of the world revolving around MU. I wasn't going to change that. She said it's me or MU..That was an easy decision. I chose MU. Gotta have priorities. :-*
Explains a lot about you.
Quote from: muguru on February 23, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
My ex wife and I divorced because she got tired of the world revolving around MU. I wasn't going to change that. She said it's me or MU..That was an easy decision. I chose MU. Gotta have priorities. :-*
You are an honorable man
Quote from: muguru on February 23, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
My ex wife and I divorced because she got tired of the world revolving around MU. I wasn't going to change that. She said it's me or MU..That was an easy decision. I chose MU. Gotta have priorities. :-*
Wow, I thought you were just 'havin fun' with Brew but you were serious. Personally, I prefer to have my life revolve around my family. We feel fortunate that we all cheer for MU and the Packers. And I like to tease my daughter about adopting the St. Louis Blues via her boyfriend. But it's just sports and he's now a Packer fan so minor character flaws can be overlooked!
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2017, 09:59:06 PM
Explains a lot about you.
That's called being passionate baby! MU hoops, that's my passion.
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on February 23, 2017, 10:09:17 PM
You are an honorable man
Thank You! Obviously I'm not suggesting everyone follow that path, but it's the path I chose. I have no regrets. :)
Quote from: muguru on February 24, 2017, 05:44:07 AM
Thank You! Obviously I'm not suggesting everyone follow that path, but it's the path I chose. I have no regrets. :)
I'll bet she didn't like Real Chili too.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 04:57:31 PM
Simply counting wins and losses isn't a very scientific method of determining who looks better in a 3 way 9-9 tie. Hopefully the committee puts more thought into it than that. X will be fine at 9-9. They ate very solidly in the field right now.
The problem with the RPI is it based on the whole season. I do not think Xavier is solidly in the tournament right now. They simply are not the same team that they were with Sumner. I think they have lost 5 straight games.Their next game is against Butler, which will be a very tough game to stop a losing streak. Lose that game and hopefully to MU and I am not sure even a final game win over DePaul to get to 9-9 will save them. Besides that, even though DePaul is not very good, they generally play tough at home. Creighton is going to lose to Villanova and MU, so they need a win over St. John's to keep from falling into the 9-9 group. Creighton falling to 9-9 would make things very intersting. It also devalues our win over them.
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 23, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
I agree with this...SH and PV are coming on strong...no backing into 9-9 and getting in.
Other thoughts:
1. 10-8 will get any of the 4 in no matter what the outcomes...mathematically possible for all 4.
2. 8-10 for any of the 4 leaves them out.
2. BET tourney will be a factor...maybe even some tiebreaking games.
3. 9-9 (18-12) MU looks weaker than 9-9 (19-12) Providence if they beat us twice.
4. 9-9 (18-12) MU looks weaker than 9-9 (19-11) SH
5. 9-9 (19-12) Xavier (only beating DePaul) will need a BET win. That will be an ugly finish.
I agree with all of this.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 06:09:06 PM
Fair enough. I think anyone 9-9 or better from the BE gets in. I think 6 is the likely number. The info available would seem to suggest that any of the BE teams at 9-9 get in (PC w probably the worst case at 9-9), but I guess we'll see.
The 9-9's that win their first Big East tournament game are in. The one's that lose their first Big East tournament game are out.
Quote from: bilsu on February 24, 2017, 07:07:37 AM
The 9-9's that win their first Big East tournament game are in. The one's that lose their first Big East tournament game are out.
Hah, ok. Sort of done disputing this. It's certainly possible, but I'd say a 50/50 proposition at worst. This field has to be filled, and frankly, a 9-9 BE team is more deserving than sub .500 B10 or ACC (7 or less wins in the ACC), or .500 SEC or PAC12. And that is their competition. There are not deserving MM this year outside of the regulars. So unless they decide to reduce the field this year, I just don't agree. I think if you spent some time analyzing say the last 8 teams in and the busted bubble thereafter, you'd agree.
Creighton did enough heavy lifting in the non-con that they are safe. Anyone asserting otherwise is simply stirring the pot or not paying attention.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2017, 07:24:40 PM
Ah perfect. CBSSN has a free streaming app. With UA going to all personal devices to all personal devices and no seatback screens, maybe you will get lucky. Expect non-luxury from LAX to LIH. It is a long way to paradise, but a Duke's Mai Tai awaits you!
Ended up changing our flight ... and now it will be impossible to watch the game. We're going through Denver, leaving at 10-ish MT and not arriving until 4:30 HT. So we'll be over the Pacific during the entire game.
That's OK. I'll get the score and then will enjoy watching highlights of our big win later as I sip something with an umbrella in it!
(Actually, I'm a beer guy, so that last part was poetic license.)
You can ask the bartender for an umbrella with your beer!
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2017, 04:27:05 AM
Ended up changing our flight ... and now it will be impossible to watch the game. We're going through Denver, leaving at 10-ish MT and not arriving until 4:30 HT. So we'll be over the Pacific during the entire game.
That's OK. I'll get the score and then will enjoy watching highlights of our big win later as I sip something with an umbrella in it!
(Actually, I'm a beer guy, so that last part was poetic license.)
Have a safe trip and a fun time. MU will do its part with a win.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2017, 04:27:05 AM
Ended up changing our flight ... and now it will be impossible to watch the game. We're going through Denver, leaving at 10-ish MT and not arriving until 4:30 HT. So we'll be over the Pacific during the entire game.
That's OK. I'll get the score and then will enjoy watching highlights of our big win later as I sip something with an umbrella in it!
(Actually, I'm a beer guy, so that last part was poetic license.)
Safe travels. Provide updates and pictures from the beach. If MU wins, you will have to keep the run going by being in the air for all remaining games.
Early pictures show the team warming up in yellow uniforms.
3rd game in a row.
We are 2-0 in gold in the last week. A bit of superstition and faith going on it seems.