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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on February 04, 2017, 04:44:51 PM
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Got back from the Depaul game ... spoke to some "bigwigs" in University advancement. This is what I learned, how much of this surprises you?
* 35% of MU students at MU are from the Chicago area, 20% are from WI. The other 40% are from all over. The northeast numbers have been falling in recent years and MU is still getting a number of kids from Puerto Rico.
* MU really does not compete with large state schools. So, it competition for students is other Catholic/Jesuit schools. State schools kids and Jesuit school kids are just different types and they don't see a lot of bleed-over. Restated, MU is not competing with Bucky or the Illini for students (see above).
* The school they compete with the most ... Dayton followed by SLU. They said they these two schools are "most like" MU. Dayton more so than SLU. Loyola (Chicago) and Depaul were not mentioned.
* Why Dayton? A Catholic school in a medium sized Midwestern city for Chicago area students that want to go away from home but not too far. Frame liked this and it sounds a lot like MU.
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Got back from the Depaul game ... spoke to some "bigwigs" in University advancement. This is what I learned, how much of this surprises you?
* 35% of MU students at MU are from the Chicago area, 20% are from WI. The other 40% are from all over. The northeast numbers have been falling in recent years and MU is still getting a number of kids from Puerto Rico.
* MU really does not compete with large state schools. So, it competition for students is other Catholic/Jesuit schools. State schools kids and Jesuit school kids are just different types and they don't see a lot of bleed-over. Restated, MU is not competing with Bucky or the Illini for students (see above).
* The school they compete with the most ... Dayton followed by SLU. They said they these two schools are "most like" MU. Dayton more so than SLU. Loyola (Chicago) and Depaul were not mentioned.
* Why Dayton? The Jesuit school in a medium sized Midwestern city for Chicago area students that want to go away from home but not too far. Frame liked this and it sounds a lot like MU.
I went to MU and am from the Chicago area. My other options were Purdue and Wash U in St Louis, for whatever that's worth.
Most of my friends from high school went to Big Ten schools or other large private schools like MU. My guess is that for the Chicago are, this is probably not unique.
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I think Marquette most definitely competes against large state Universities. My guess is that a lot of kids that come to Marquette from Wisconsin also apply at Madison.
I think schools can purchase data from the company that manages the ACT test that shows where else students are sending their test scores. If so, Marquette knows who it competes against.
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I have spent time recruiting students on the east coast and found that the school we compete with frequently is Boston University.
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Yea, I think there is a lot more state school competition than you think. My final three were Marquette, Illinois and Northwestern. Marquette was the first religiously affiliated anything ive ever attended.
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Yeah mine were Marquette, UW-Madison and Carroll College. Different types of schools give you different choices.
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*The most surprising is that only 35% come from Chicagoland. I would have bet that the proportion would have been much, much higher, say, two-thirds at least.
*Dayton surprises me a bit, but SLU doesn't.
*I'm not too surprised by MU admin not seeing Madison, UIUC, and Minnesota as competitors. Obviously, MU and these state schools compete for students, but it doesn't shock me that they are not the primary competitors, as the product (education) is delivered differently--at least, differently enough to merit a segmentation of the market.
--I'm curious what % of MU students come from outside the 6-hr radius of Milwaukee. In other words, what % comes outside the UP-MPLS-STL-Detroit radius? I'd again bet that that % has to be around two-thirds if not more
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Dayton is blatantly obvious to me. I went to Wheaton St. Francis, and after U of I, Dayton was the second most attended college from my graduating class.
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I just glanced at USWNR and in the section titled "Students Also Applied To" it has the following listed: Loyola (Chi), UIUC, SLU, U Minnesota
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/marquette-university-3863
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DePaul was my second choice, didn't have much desire to apply much of anywhere else. MU came up with more money that made tuition just about even.
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DePaul was my second choice, didn't have much desire to apply much of anywhere else. MU came up with more money that made tuition just about even.
Same here. Marquette ended up being cheaper than UIUC when it was all said and done. Northwestern was well, Northwestern prices.
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I think we need examples of students that were accepted to MU, seriously considered it, and went elsewhere.
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Dayton isn't a Jesuit school
If you really talked to these "bigwigs" that wouldn't have been the reason they gave you
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Dayton isn't a Jesuit school
If you really talked to these "bigwigs" that wouldn't have been the reason they gave you
Above I wrote
it competition for students is other Catholic/Jesuit schools
Dayton is a Catholic school.
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I think we need examples of students that were accepted to MU, seriously considered it, and went elsewhere.
I applied to 3 schools, was accepted to all 3, and seriously considered all 3.
They were UW-Madison, St Norbert, and Marquette. I chose Marquette, but any of the three would have been decent fits.
It might be helpful to think of different groups of competitors for different student profiles. We are a competitor with UW for students from Wisconsin. We are a competitor with Dayton for affluent Chicagoland Catholic high school students, etc.
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* Why Dayton? The Jesuit school in a medium sized Midwestern city for Chicago area students that want to go away from home but not too far. Frame liked this and it sounds a lot like MU.
You said Dayton was a Jesuit school.
Edit... I know I'm nitpicking. I agree Dayton is a competitor for some student profiles.
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It was Dayton vs. MU for me. Went with MU based solely on gut feel. Glad that I did and still have great memories from MU but I probably would have had just as much fun at Dayton and gotten a similar education.
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I applied to 3 schools, was accepted to all 3, and seriously considered all 3.
They were UW-Madison, St Norbert, and Marquette. I chose Marquette, but any of the three would have been decent fits.
It might be helpful to think of different groups of competitors for different student profiles. We are a competitor with UW for students fro, Wisconsin. We are a competitor with Dayton for affluent Chicagoland Catholic high school students, etc.
This makes sense
After the conversation some of us were talking and we thought that of the 20% from WI, most were from the Milwaukee metro area. We thought that once you get an hour away from MU but still in WI that they were mostly looking at Bucky (mainly because of the cost) and are not really considering MU. Those students have two options Madison and their nearby UW school.
Agree with this?
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You said Dayton was a Jesuit school.
Typo ... I changed it to Catholic.
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This makes sense
After the conversation some of us were talking and we thought that of the 20% from WI, most were from the Milwaukee metro area. We thought that once you get an hour away from MU but still in WI that they were mostly looking at Bucky (mainly because of the cost) and are not really considering MU. Those students have two options Madison and their nearby UW school.
Agree with this?
Kinda.
I think a lot of kids of suburban Milwaukee who apply to MU also apply to UW-Madison.
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This makes sense
After the conversation some of us were talking and we thought that of the 20% from WI, most were from the Milwaukee metro area. We thought that once you get an hour away from MU but still in WI that they were mostly looking at Bucky (mainly because of the cost) and are not really considering MU. Those students have two options Madison and their nearby UW school.
Agree with this?
That's probably accurate for most public high school students outside the Milwaukee area. Catholic high school students in other parts of Wisconsin (like I was) still consider MU.
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My son (Milwaukee area), good student, wanted to stay close, private school ok but with engineering, cost couldn't be outrageous (MU eeked in with fin aid$...but still expensive), some type of decent sports, Band/orchestra to play in....commuted first 2 yrs. to save $.
Never applied to UW Madison or otherwise.
Maybe MU was the only choice. But I think he chose well.
As far as Dayton and SLU competition. Did that effect their candidacy to the BE? Gee I hope not.
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I think in general there is a difference between large state schools and smaller private schools, regardless of religion. Kids seem to prefer one or the other once they start visiting campuses. My kids did apply to other jesuits - Creighton, Santa Clara, BC and Catholics - Nova, ND, U of San Diego (which is not so much a university as it is a country club), and also smaller non-religious private schools - Carleton, Macalester, Skidmore, Wake Forest. Doesn't surprise me that most of the kids are in the Chicagoland/Wisconsin area. I would imagine that is true for most colleges that are not the big national names. The less well known the college, the more narrow its student distribution, I'd imagine.
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One more thing ...
The advancement bigwig also said that the single best thing they can do to persuade a perspective student to come to MU is attend a BBall game. They offer all accepted students tickets. Most of the games are BE games as most kids find out after Jan 1 if they are accepted.
A well attended good win gets kids pumped and excited about MU.
He also thinks the new Wild Hall (new Freshman dorm, see its thread) will be almost as good as decent bball game.
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Thinking about it now, im probably a bad case study. I picked a program rather than a school.
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I was accepted at Illinois but decided to attend a smaller campus and MU was far enough away but not too far.
Two of my children attended Univ. Of San Diego . I was impressed with the B school. 40 per class max.
Kids I spoke to from West Coast who were accepted to Mu and chose elsewhere went to places like Wash U. In St. Louis or Pacific 12.
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I applied to 3 schools, was accepted to all 3, and seriously considered all 3.
They were UW-Madison, St Norbert, and Marquette. I chose Marquette, but any of the three would have been decent fits.
It might be helpful to think of different groups of competitors for different student profiles. We are a competitor with UW for students from Wisconsin. We are a competitor with Dayton for affluent Chicagoland Catholic high school students, etc.
I was accepted to Rutgers, NJIT, Lehigh and Marquette. When I attended in the mid '60s most of my school mates at MU were from middle class blue collar families. Some had more than two siblings attending as well. My parents or many of my class mates parents could afford (tuition, room and board and books) to send us to MU today.
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Surprised that no one has mentioned Notre Dame as school Marquette competes with for students. It might be that most students that get into Notre Dame, attend Notre Dame but I know some fellow Marquette alumni that were accepting to ND but chose not to attend.
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I was accepted to Rutgers, NJIT, Lehigh and Marquette. When I attended in the mid '60s most of my school mates at MU were from middle class blue collar families. Some had more than two siblings attending as well. My parents or many of my class mates parents could afford (tuition, room and board and books) to send us to MU today.
And my guess is that most of your school mates went to Catholic high schools...
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Surprised that no one has mentioned Notre Dame as school Marquette competes with for students. It might be that most students that get into Notre Dame, attend Notre Dame but I know some fellow Marquette alumni that were accepting to ND but chose not to attend.
This
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elephantraker - my daughter spent one semester at U of San Diego. The academics were great, but she decided that she couldn't speak (or live) Californian. Came home for Christmas and transferred to Marquette. My pocketbook thanked her.
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This is validating. I've been saying MU and Dayton are virtually the same school for 25 years(including a couple weeks ago after talking to a recent Dayton grad) , with no basis, just my knowledge of the two schools. Similar caliber of students, socio eceonomic background. This doesn't surprise me at all.
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No offense, Heisy, but if you want to find out what Marquette's competition is, you need to talk to the admission folks, not the advancement folks.
Here's some stats at a glance for the most recent freshman class. It doesn't name the competition, but it has other data. One thing I found interesting - only about a third came from Catholic/Jesuit high schools.
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This
So, we don't compete with ND for srudents, even though some apply to both, but choose ND......
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So, we don't compete with ND for srudents, even though some apply to both, but choose ND......
Safety School
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We had about 20 accepted students at today's pregame function. They all got nice swag and got plenty of opportunity to ask questions. It's true that metro Chicago now accounts for more kids than WI. Been true for better part of a decade. Probably about 20-25% of kids now come from what I'll call distant locations outside the Midwest.
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This a funny conversation to me, I grew up in Santa Monica, my final schools were ucsb, iu, bu, and mu. I have no explanation for anything, I think I liked beer
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As much as I loved my MU experience and friends, if I could do it all over again, I'd have gone to school some place warm.
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University of Oregon, OSU, University of Portland, and MU. MU it was and never regretted my decision, although a football team would have been nice. Also had never experienced private/Catholic education up to that point. Am indebted to the Jesuits - Zeps, Leahy and Donnelly, in particular.
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Safety School
Or decide not to attend due to tuition. ND only gives need based FA.
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When I attended in the mid '60s most of my school mates at MU were from middle class blue collar families... My parents or many of my class mates parents could afford (tuition, room and board and books) to send us to MU today.
Since you mentioned middle class, did you leave a NOT out of that last sentence?
Also, I wonder how much attendance from the NY/NJ area dropped off in the years after Al McGuire left Marquette. I doubt it ever bounced back.
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Boston College, Georgetown, Gonzaga, Seattle U, Holy Cross, and Fordham were all on my list. Picked Marquette because I couldn't imagine cheering against Marquette in basketball.
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Thinking about it now, im probably a bad case study. I picked a program rather than a school.
That's a good point. My younger daughter applied to MU in part because they have a good J-school...but also applied to Arizona State and Mizzou, which have great J-schools. She got accepted to all three and had a hard time saying no to MU (she's a huge MUBB fan and my wife and I are both alums), but in the end she chose the best J-school (Mizzou). Fortunately, it was also the least expensive of the three.
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Miami of Ohio
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That's probably accurate for most public high school students outside the Milwaukee area. Catholic high school students in other parts of Wisconsin (like I was) still consider MU.
Agree
This is also consistent with their statement that they said certain kids consider state schools and other kids that consider Jesuit/Catholic schools. So that they don't perceive the state schools (Madison or Champaign) as competition but do the other Jesuit/Catholic schools like Dayton.
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Always thought I was an outlier as far as MU students from back in the day and MU BKB fans. Small message board sample, but some confirmation. Grew up in La Crosse and very few others in my public HS had MU in their thought process. Many more people at the Catholic HS in town considered/attended MU and/or currently have MU on their sports radars. Only other accepted at was DePaul. If my parents hadn't grown up in Milwaukee and my dad hadn't started taking me to MU games was I was a kid, I probably wouldn't have had MU in the thought process, either (never considered UW-Moscow for one second).
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I have recently sent three of my kids off to college (two went to Marquette) and it was true for them that they did not consider Madison or one of the big state schools. However, I know plenty of in state students who preferred Marquette but could not get over the price difference. They ended up at either Minnesota or Wisconsin.
To say Marquette does not compete for kids who consider the big state schools is not accurate. It seems to me they are writing off a potentially big market. Marquette needs to a much larger endowment to provide better financial aid packages to compete for those students.
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Also, I wonder how much attendance from the NY/NJ area dropped off in the years after Al McGuire left Marquette. I doubt it ever bounced back.
As someone from the east coast I know that the large amount of urban/semi urban options with similar profiles make it hard for MU to rise to the top. Just in my specific example I seriously considered Villanova and Providence but looked at Seton Hall, Fordham, Fairfield and Duquense. Then aspirationally BC and G Town. Lots of choices and all were far enough away from home. Granted this list is very dated 20 years at this point.
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Surprised that no one has mentioned Notre Dame as school Marquette competes with for students. It might be that most students that get into Notre Dame, attend Notre Dame but I know some fellow Marquette alumni that were accepting to ND but chose not to attend.
Bless their hearts!!
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As someone from the east coast I know that the large amount of urban/semi urban options with similar profiles make it hard for MU to rise to the top. Just in my specific example I seriously considered Villanova and Providence but looked at Seton Hall, Fordham, Fairfield and Duquense. Then aspirationally BC and G Town. Lots of choices and all were far enough away from home. Granted this list is very dated 20 years at this point.
I think that's spot on. Admissions thinks that too. Focus is very much west of the Mississippi for recruiting dollars. That's were the population growth is too.
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If a student can do Marquette work, has the grades and ACT/SAT to get into Marquette, they may be considering at least one other Catholic school, but I'll bet my last dollar, they're also looking at one or more state schools.
Pool MU's incoming class and I promise Rodentland, Herky the Turkey, Goldie and/or The Chief all were substantial options. Administration can delude itself into believing they don't compete against large state schools, but they do.
If the Northeast decline is true, then the basketball team better accelerate its ascent into the cream of college basketball. I'll bet anything there's a strong correlation between a good basketball program and interest from students in New England and the Mid-Atlantic states.
The fact that admissions is thinking of Marquette's appeal as a regional, close to home option is sad.
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The fact that admissions is thinking of Marquette's appeal as a regional, close to home option is sad.
Who said that?
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I think it's hilarious that for the past 10 years we've started to pretend that MU is this great academic school and then "bigwigs" claim our closest competition is Dayton. Next to Iowa, that's America's safety school. Dayton. OMG. Dayton. Adding Lacrosse, joining the Big East, all the new construction and what do we get...Dayton.
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I think it's hilarious that for the past 10 years we've started to pretend that MU is this great academic school and then "bigwigs" claim our closest competition is Dayton. Next to Iowa, that's America's safety school. Dayton. OMG. Dayton. Adding Lacrosse, joining the Big East, all the new construction and what do we get...Dayton.
I am sure I have been in way more meetings with Marquette administrators where admissions was discussed than Yukon, and Dayton was never mentioned in terms of competition. Just because he struck up a conversation with a couple of fundraising people at a party doesn't mean he has accurate facts.
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I am sure I have been in way more meetings with Marquette administrators where admissions was discussed than Yukon, and Dayton was never mentioned in terms of competition. Just because he struck up a conversation with a couple of fundraising people at a party doesn't mean he has accurate facts.
That's why I asked if these stats were surprising. Frankly Dayton surprised me too.
So who is MUs competition for students?
And do you agree with the geographical breakdown inthe first post?
And do you agree that kids self-select themselves into state schools or catholic/Jesuit schools meaning their is largely two different pools of kids?
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I'm guessing Admissions will say Georgetown, BC, SLU, maybe Holy Cross or Fairleigh Dickinson.
I also think MU kids consider big state schools because those schools , like Marquette, represent a certain physical / emotional / financial investment in education rather than just running off to the nearest extension school.
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University of Oregon, OSU, University of Portland, and MU. MU it was and never regretted my decision, although a football team would have been nice. Also had never experienced private/Catholic education up to that point. Am indebted to the Jesuits - Zeps, Leahy and Donnelly, in particular.
You were a history major too eh?
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I'm guessing Admissions will say Georgetown, BC, SLU, maybe Holy Cross or Fairleigh Dickinson.
I also think MU kids consider big state schools because those schools represent a certain physic / emotional / financial investment in education rather than just running off to the nearest extension school.
If 60% of MU students are from WI or the Chicago area, I don't the majority could name the town or even the state where FDU or HC is located.
Georgetown is academically i the range of ND and Northwestern, that makes MU a safety school.
BC is one of the most expensive schools in the country, if you have to ask the price of tuition, don't bother with BC.
I don't think these schools are are MUs biggest competition for Students.
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I think it's hilarious that for the past 10 years we've started to pretend that MU is this great academic school and then "bigwigs" claim our closest competition is Dayton. Next to Iowa, that's America's safety school. Dayton. OMG. Dayton. Adding Lacrosse, joining the Big East, all the new construction and what do we get...Dayton.
The United States has 4200 colleges and Universities. They have 18 million students mening they are graduating over 4 million a year.
USNWR has MU in the top 80, or the top 2% of all colleges/universities. That ranks MU in the to 2% of the 4+ million that graduated every year.
So yes, MU is an elite institution. In a county of 320 million it has a few hundred elite institutions.
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If a student can do Marquette work, has the grades and ACT/SAT to get into Marquette, they may be considering at least one other Catholic school, but I'll bet my last dollar, they're also looking at one or more state schools.
Pool MU's incoming class and I promise Rodentland, Herky the Turkey, Goldie and/or The Chief all were substantial options. Administration can delude itself into believing they don't compete against large state schools, but they do.
If the Northeast decline is true, then the basketball team better accelerate its ascent into the cream of college basketball. I'll bet anything there's a strong correlation between a good basketball program and interest from students in New England and the Mid-Atlantic states.
The fact that admissions is thinking of Marquette's appeal as a regional, close to home option is sad.
I've served for years in various capacities and am pretty sure I've not heard that once. Candidly, the truth is that Admissions believes they've mined the local area as effectively as they can (although one year of the new targeted applications model has seemingly helped) and recognize that a declining midwest population base now forces them to recruit move heavily at a distance. While not exclusive, I can assure you that many resources are now pointed west. Our competition; Creighton, among many others.
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And if any of you don't think it's tough out there.......
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/news/ct-saint-josephs-college-temporary-closing-20170203-story.html
Temporary my arse.
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I've served for years in various capacities and am pretty sure I've not heard that once. Candidly, the truth is that Admissions believes they've mined the local area as effectively as they can (although one year of the new targeted applications model has seemingly helped) and recognize that a declining midwest population base now forces them to recruit move heavily at a distance. While not exclusive, I can assure you that many resources are now pointed west. Our competition; Creighton, among many others.
The big strategic mistake MU is making in the northeast is not showing up at the respected public high schools. I have written on this in the super bar. There are lots of good candidates , who will actually attend,if we just make ourselves known in the guidance counselor offices year after year. if we can get one family we can get multiple families over time.
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The big strategic mistake MU is making in the northeast is not showing up at the respected public high schools. I have written on this in the super bar. There are lots of good candidates , who will actually attend,if we just make ourselves known in the guidance counselor offices year after year. if we can get one family we can get multiple families over time.
I think earlier in this thread someone mentioned the somewhat similar schools (let's use Nova for example) that one must pass by on the way from those eastern public schools you describe. I'm certainly no expert and I respect your opinion on the matter but I sense MU does not see the bang for the buck in that model.
Let me try to draw a comparison. Say a Catholic kid in Phoenix or Vegas is making his decision and is choosing among MU, Creighton, and Gonzaga. All are fairly long plane rides. We've got a real shot at that candidate. The greater the likelihood of success, the more resource dollars.
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The big strategic mistake MU is making in the northeast is not showing up at the respected public high schools. I have written on this in the super bar. There are lots of good candidates , who will actually attend,if we just make ourselves known in the guidance counselor offices year after year. if we can get one family we can get multiple families over time.
I do agree with this wholeheartedly.
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I came from a Catholic school in Wisconsin (not near Milwaukee). City size was the most important factor to me, so I only applied to MU, Minnesota, and Loyola. Legitimate athletics was probably factor #2.
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The big strategic mistake MU is making in the northeast is not showing up at the respected public high schools. I have written on this in the super bar. There are lots of good candidates , who will actually attend,if we just make ourselves known in the guidance counselor offices year after year. if we can get one family we can get multiple families over time.
To apply with glow said before, the northeast is A declining population (especially New England) and producing ever smaller pools of applicants each year.
It makes more sense if you're going to go any distance from Milwaukee to go west rather than east. And probably go south rather than north.
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Sorry I'm late.
Anyone but Dayton.
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Have to think ND is a pretty big competitor for Chicago kids
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I think there's a difference between who MU is "competing with" and the schools that have a lot of overlap with MU applicants. I would guess that half of the MU attendees from WI (especially from public high schools) also apply to UW-Madison. Same with Chicago kids and Iowa/U of I. But I don't think that means MU is necessarily "competing" with UW-Madison, Iowa, or Illinois.
If applicants are drawn to the large, big ten state college, there's only so much MU can do to try and convince them to attend MU instead. I think that to "compete" with other schools, they have to be similar enough in profile that discrete changes in policy, offerings, profile can make a real difference. When you look at the growth MU is envisioning in its master planning, maybe they want to expand to the point where there is real competition with public U's in the future, but I don't think we're there now.
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I think there's a difference between who MU is "competing with" and the schools that have a lot of overlap with MU applicants. I would guess that half of the MU attendees from WI (especially from public high schools) also apply to UW-Madison. Same with Chicago kids and Iowa/U of I. But I don't think that means MU is necessarily "competing" with UW-Madison, Iowa, or Illinois.
If applicants are drawn to the large, big ten state college, there's only so much MU can do to try and convince them to attend MU instead. I think that to "compete" with other schools, they have to be similar enough in profile that discrete changes in policy, offerings, profile can make a real difference. When you look at the growth MU is envisioning in its master planning, maybe they want to expand to the point where there is real competition with public U's in the future, but I don't think we're there now.
Well put. Agreed.
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In my case, obviously my choice was MU, but my runner up was DePaul, followed by Dayton. I did apply to some big state colleges (UofI, Purdue), but they really didn't really appeal to me. I guess I am pretty much a case study.
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And my guess is that most of your school mates went to Catholic high schools...
Can't say for my school mates, but I actually went to public school here in New Jersey.
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To apply with glow said before, the northeast is A declining population (especially New England) and producing ever smaller pools of applicants each year.
It makes more sense if you're going to go any distance from Milwaukee to go west rather than east. And probably go south rather than north.
New England has 14 million people and isn't declining in population.
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New England has 14 million people and isn't declining in population.
We don't want anyone from there.
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Interesting topic. Two cents:
I had a good MU experience. MU was more of a fall back choice only because my preference was on the coasts for a different experience as I was from the Midwest. But unexpected family situation changed that.
I had some smaller division athletic opportunities but only had D-1 on mind at the time. It worked out ok & I was able to get to the coasts after MU.
For some reason I had medium sized school in my head when choosing & MU fit that. I had an older sibling attend MU so I had some familiarity, yet I like to do my own thing. In hindsight 8k students was a little small for my personality type/temperament. Maybe mid teens would have been better for me. But I was never interested in the big state school thing, smaller towns, Greek life, just not me.
Dayton at the time was comparable to MU but less favorably for academics, equally to more for partying. Interestingly enough SLU's current few year President was a 24yr academic at Dayton.
I had some ND friends, some liked it and some did not. A few recruited for sports turned them down. One of my brother's chose Vanderbilt over Boston College. He did not get into ND, and he likely would have gone. He had a good experience at Vandy. Vandy's Chancellor Nick Zeppos is from Milwaukee, he went to both undergrad and law school at Madison. He is good.
A few mentioned Washington University in St. Louis, or Wash U as its known. That school is similar to U of Chicago a little bit from a culture standpoint and academically, with a location more like Northwestern. They even compete in same conference with U Chicago in d-3 sports.
I would also add that I hope MU continues to diversify its student body geographically, racially, religiously, etc...It is too heavy from just a few geographies and I would like to see double digit percentages of several other races too. Just my opinion.
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I agree with all of the sentiments expressed by my fellow Northeastern alums. The number of students attending MU from the Northeast has always fluctuated with the success or lack thereof of our men's basketball program. Always has and always will.
I agree that it's hard for MU to compete with Northeastern schools that have a similar profile such as Fordham, BU, GWU, American, etc. MKE is a great a city in many ways but Boston, DC or NYC it's not.
Completely agree with MU Fan in NY that ignoring the outstanding public high schools in that populate the wealthy NYC burbs in Westchester Co., Farifield County CT, and Northern NJ is a huge strategic mistake. My high school in southern CT typically sends 3-5 kids a year to UW Madison. That was true in the late 80's when I graduated and it's still true today. All the other area high schools send about the same numbers there. When I broached this with a couple of folks in admissions last year, they acknowledged that was the case but basically said because most of the students who attend UW Madison from the northeast are of a "different faith tradition" i.e. they're Jewish, that they think it's a waste of resources. I was actually surprised they picked up on that because it is absolutely true. Almost everyone I grew up with or know professionally that went to UW Mad from the NYC area is indeed Jewish, but the bigger point is people are not unwilling to travel there and Madison is less accessible from NYC than MKE is. Another point is that UW Madison's out of state tuition I'm sure is comparable to MU's, very possibly even more. And because these areas are as wealthy as they are, the parents are capable of paying a much higher percentage of the sticker and many of these families won't qualify for financial aid at all. That alsone reason is why this group should not be ignored. Ironically the public school contingent in this part of the country is generally a much more well to do lot than the families who attend Catholic schools. If MU made the slightest effort, they CAN compete for some of these students. Will they win out over BU, Fordham, or GWU? Perhaps not but I guarantee you they'd still get more from out there than they currently do if they made even the slightest effort for minimal cost. MU's 75% acceptance rate isn't helping though. Need to get that down. People here are snobs and they care about that kind of stuff. I cornered Lovell and told him as much at the reception prior to the St. Johns game. Couldn't get away from me fast enough. I don't care, he needs to know they're losing potential students from out here because of it. At the end of the day, they just don't care and don't think they compete with the schools out here. They're wrong, but as long as they keep acting that way, that will be true in another 3 years short of a major Men's BB turnaround.
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As Glow said, focusing their energy on southwest of the country, San Antonio Phoenix Albuquerque is a much better use of their time. Butting heads in the Northeast with the many other Catholic and Jesuit schools is not a good strategy.
They will get kids from the northeast when the basketball team is good. It's not worth the resources to go into those public schools in Connecticut and argue for Marquette when you're 15 other Catholic schools doing the same. And most of those other Catholic schools are Drive not a plane ride.
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It was between MU and U of Washington for me. MU stepped up in a big way with funding, so it was an easy choice compared to paying out of state tuition. Those were the only two schools I bothered applying to.
Interestingly, UDub used to have an offer for those who paid lifetime memberships to its alumni association: your kids could pay the instate tuition rate no matter where you lived. My dad joined for this reason, but unfortunately it was rescinded several years before I could benefit.
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As Glow said, focusing their energy on southwest of the country, San Antonio Phoenix Albuquerque is a much better use of their time. Butting heads in the Northeast with the many other Catholic and Jesuit schools is not a good strategy.
They will get kids from the northeast when the basketball team is good. It's not worth the resources to go into those public schools in Connecticut and argue for Marquette when you're 15 other Catholic schools doing the same. And most of those other Catholic schools are Drive not a plane ride.
I agree with you Yukon. I'm not suggesting that MU admissions devote a cent more to the northeast than they already are for the reasons you mentioned. What I am suggesting is that they deploy the few resources they already devoting to the area differently. MU doesn't completely neglect the area, but they basically only go to Catholic high schools and have representation at college fairs either hosted by Catholic high schools or college fairs exclusively devoted to Catholic colleges and universities, and the problem with that is their brand is already well enough established there so they're only getting the same few kids they always do.
I get the accepted students list every year and last year of roughly 40 accepted students from the state of CT, all but 8 were from Catholic high schools. Of the 8 from public schools, all of those 8 were from the exact same public high school in Fairfield, CT. Why? Because 1 student from that high school went to MU 5 years ago, had a very positive experience, told their friends, and because that student had such a good experience, that schools' counselors are recommending MU when they were not before and they get 10-12 kids apply every year. There's no reason that couldn't be replicated if they went to other public high schools, but they just don't see the wisdom. They're always going to get some kids from the catholic schools and frankly don't need any help there.
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Georgetown is academically i the range of ND and Northwestern, that makes MU a safety
This is an insult to Gtown. I've met my share of dumb a$$ domers.
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Who said that?
From the first post:
* 35% of MU students at MU are from the Chicago area, 20% are from WI. The other 40% are from all over. The northeast numbers have been falling in recent years and MU is still getting a number of kids from Puerto Rico.
* MU really does not compete with large state schools. So, it competition for students is other Catholic/Jesuit schools. State schools kids and Jesuit school kids are just different types and they don't see a lot of bleed-over. Restated, MU is not competing with Bucky or the Illini for students (see above).
* The school they compete with the most ... Dayton followed by SLU. They said they these two schools are "most like" MU. Dayton more so than SLU. Loyola (Chicago) and Depaul were not mentioned.
* Why Dayton? A Catholic school in a medium sized Midwestern city for Chicago area students that want to go away from home but not too far. Frame liked this and it sounds a lot like MU.[/b]
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I agree with you Yukon. I'm not suggesting that MU admissions devote a cent more to the northeast than they already are for the reasons you mentioned. What I am suggesting is that they deploy the few resources they already devoting to the area differently. MU doesn't completely neglect the area, but they basically only go to Catholic high schools and have representation at college fairs either hosted by Catholic high schools or college fairs exclusively devoted to Catholic colleges and universities, and the problem with that is their brand is already well enough established there so they're only getting the same few kids they always do.
I get the accepted students list every year and last year of roughly 40 accepted students from the state of CT, all but 8 were from Catholic high schools. Of the 8 from public schools, all of those 8 were from the exact same public high school in Fairfield, CT. Why? Because 1 student from that high school went to MU 5 years ago, had a very positive experience, told their friends, and because that student had such a good experience, that schools' counselors are recommending MU when they were not before and they get 10-12 kids apply every year. There's no reason that couldn't be replicated if they went to other public high schools, but they just don't see the wisdom. They're always going to get some kids from the catholic schools and frankly don't need any help there.
You've said this before. Marquette knows it's market and deploy its limited resources to fit that market. Public high schools in New England just aren't in that market.
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I understand the Twin Cities is #3 for metro areas for MU enrollment.
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This is an insult to Gtown. I've met my share of dumb a$$ domers.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
#12 Northwestern
#15 ND
#20 G-Town
Oh ...
#86 MU
#96 St. Louis
#99 Loyola (Chicago)
#111 Dayton
#124 Depaul
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Ok, Heisendomer.
Lou Holtz, slobbering moron
Digger Phelps, world famous womanizer
Manti Te'o, world famous moron
Joe Montana, world famous father of a son who got out of rape charges cause of daddy's name
ND, home of campus police who cover up rapes
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Ok, Heisendomer.
Lou Holtz, slobbering moron
Digger Phelps, world famous womanizer
Manti Te'o, world famous moron
Joe Montana, world famous father of a son who got out of rape charges cause of daddy's name
ND, home of campus police who cover up rapes
Don't forget scissor lifts on windy days.
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It's too bad ND has fallen to such lows.
My neighbor, Dr. Waldman, is a true American hero. ND's college of science is named after him. Google him. A true American hero. We won wwii in part because of his contribution.
Edit... Goggle Bernard Waldman. A humble man.
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Ok, Heisendomer.
Lou Holtz, slobbering moron
Digger Phelps, world famous womanizer
Manti Te'o, world famous moron
Joe Montana, world famous father of a son who got out of rape charges cause of daddy's name
ND, home of campus police who cover up rapes
You really need help
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You really need help
Oh, and don't forget, some of us MU loyalists are still wincing from the 2011 stories in the ChiTrib about the rape(s?) coverup on campus.
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You really need help
You are an ignorant nd idiot. Facts are not your friend.
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You are an ignorant nd idiot. Facts are not your friend.
Seriously, get some help
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Question, out of curiosity, for those that know, what moves the needle on the rankings lists? I take them with a grain of salt. Some schools stay similar, others steadily drop or rise for years, others take big jumps.
BC 31, and they have been in that type of range a long time. Fordham at 60, is usually a top 50 annually. Villanova was not previously in the National University category, begins at 50.
Many familiar state schools are clustered around the 50 mark, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn St., Florida, Georgia, Texas, etc...Some other familiar ones are clustered closer to Marquette such as Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Forida St, Michigan St, Maryland.
Marquette pretty much stays in its range annually.
I would agree that those seeking a large state school experience wouldn't consider Marquette and vice versa, unless it is the local, regional state or private school, then maybe once in a while. Many ppl are seeking a particular program, sport, geography, etc...
I wish more kids could visit more places at younger ages. Many times these choices are very random.
So what moves the needle?
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I agree with you Yukon. I'm not suggesting that MU admissions devote a cent more to the northeast than they already are for the reasons you mentioned. What I am suggesting is that they deploy the few resources they already devoting to the area differently. MU doesn't completely neglect the area, but they basically only go to Catholic high schools and have representation at college fairs either hosted by Catholic high schools or college fairs exclusively devoted to Catholic colleges and universities, and the problem with that is their brand is already well enough established there so they're only getting the same few kids they always do.
I get the accepted students list every year and last year of roughly 40 accepted students from the state of CT, all but 8 were from Catholic high schools. Of the 8 from public schools, all of those 8 were from the exact same public high school in Fairfield, CT. Why? Because 1 student from that high school went to MU 5 years ago, had a very positive experience, told their friends, and because that student had such a good experience, that schools' counselors are recommending MU when they were not before and they get 10-12 kids apply every year. There's no reason that couldn't be replicated if they went to other public high schools, but they just don't see the wisdom. They're always going to get some kids from the catholic schools and frankly don't need any help there.
For me it came down to Marquette or UConn and I was definitely going to go away for school and thankfully my parents liked MU better.
My Marquette friends who still live in the Milwaukee tell me their children love Marquette, but don't really want to go there because it's too close to home and they want to go away to school. Interestingly a few of their kids are at StLU.
I have been doing college fairs in Connecticut for Marquette for the last 25 years and it does seem the last 5 or 6 years they have been downplaying the Northeast. The fairs have mostly been at catholic high schools, but sometimes at public HS's including my kids' high school. It's an excellent public school. 96% of the students go on to a 4-year college. I have seen students interested and a certain percentage seem to have cousins in Wisconsin or Illinois. Plus my kids wear a lot Marquette gear and according to them other kids have been asking questions and are intrigued because they talk up the school.
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Question, out of curiosity, for those that know, what moves the needle on the rankings lists? I take them with a grain of salt. Some schools stay similar, others steadily drop or rise for years, others take big jumps.
BC 31, and they have been in that type of range a long time. Fordham at 60, is usually a top 50 annually. Villanova was not previously in the National University category, begins at 50.
Many familiar state schools are clustered around the 50 mark, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn St., Florida, Georgia, Texas, etc...Some other familiar ones are clustered closer to Marquette such as Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Forida St, Michigan St, Maryland.
Marquette pretty much stays in its range annually.
I would agree that those seeking a large state school experience wouldn't consider Marquette and vice versa, unless it is the local, regional state or private school, then maybe once in a while. Many ppl are seeking a particular program, sport, geography, etc...
I wish more kids could visit more places at younger ages. Many times these choices are very random.
So what moves the needle?
Gaming the rankings, for one:
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/
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Question, out of curiosity, for those that know, what moves the needle on the rankings lists? I take them with a grain of salt. Some schools stay similar, others steadily drop or rise for years, others take big jumps.
BC 31, and they have been in that type of range a long time. Fordham at 60, is usually a top 50 annually. Villanova was not previously in the National University category, begins at 50.
Many familiar state schools are clustered around the 50 mark, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn St., Florida, Georgia, Texas, etc...Some other familiar ones are clustered closer to Marquette such as Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Forida St, Michigan St, Maryland.
Marquette pretty much stays in its range annually.
I would agree that those seeking a large state school experience wouldn't consider Marquette and vice versa, unless it is the local, regional state or private school, then maybe once in a while. Many ppl are seeking a particular program, sport, geography, etc...
I wish more kids could visit more places at younger ages. Many times these choices are very random.
So what moves the needle?
I think the criteria is well published.
We would just need to focus meeting that criteria. It is debatable whether that would be a worthwhile investment over other university priorities.
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Very interesting conversation with a couple of admissions people about ratings.
They are of the thought that ratings don't mean nearly as much with students today as they did 10-20 years ago. A lot of this is because there has been a proliferation of ratings and pretty much any school can use some sort of rating in their marketing. They are much more focused on 1. Fit and 2. The quality of the specific program they are interested in.
Parents are still somewhat focused on the USN&WR rankings, but even that has been changing over the past few years.
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I went to MU from Rhode Island-My last 4 schools were Providence, St. Joe's, Loyola (Maryland), and Marquette. Not necessarily competing with Jesuits but with private, catholic schools period. I only applied to 1 out of state state school in Delaware.
Reason I chose MU at the time was the accounting program (compounded with basketball program being better).
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As Glow said, focusing their energy on southwest of the country, San Antonio Phoenix Albuquerque is a much better use of their time. Butting heads in the Northeast with the many other Catholic and Jesuit schools is not a good strategy.
They will get kids from the northeast when the basketball team is good. It's not worth the resources to go into those public schools in Connecticut and argue for Marquette when you're 15 other Catholic schools doing the same. And most of those other Catholic schools are Drive not a plane ride.
The issue is MU is ignoring the public schools when there is good evidence that shows reward when they pay attention. All they need to do is show up on the annual list of schools that are visiting the guidance office. Year after Year. They build a relationship with the guidance counselor so the guidance officer is alert to kids that fit MU profile. In my area there were several cases in which an athlete went to MU, our admissions people actually followed up the next year and got another non athlete, but then they went dormant and were not on the visit list and pretty soon they are an after thought.
I have been to the presentations our admissions people do, and they have a very good product to sell. Lots of kids in the northeast explicitly want a "city" school. There are enough kids from the area to create a community of interest and boost our numbers.
As I said before, the school I see us competing with most for admitted applicants is Boston University because it too is a city university. However, at the raw application stage many of the kids who are willing to consider the Big Ten type schools such as UW or Indiana are also willing to look at MU. For some the size of the campuses at the Big Ten schools is overwhelming and the mid size of MU is very appealing. These are not the kids who are just thinking Catholic schools.
The other thing is we are still a relative bargain compared to some of these private schools which are well north of 60,000 total cost of attendance. $ 12,000 times 4 years is real money. We can really make some inroads with a lot of families in the public schools.
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The other thing is we are still a relative bargain compared to some of these private schools which are well north of 60,000 total cost of attendance. $ 12,000 times 4 years is real money. We can really make some inroads with a lot of families in the public schools.
I definitely make note of this when I do college fairs. The price of MU vs. Northeast private universities.
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Question, out of curiosity, for those that know, what moves the needle on the rankings lists? I take them with a grain of salt. Some schools stay similar, others steadily drop or rise for years, others take big jumps.
BC 31, and they have been in that type of range a long time. Fordham at 60, is usually a top 50 annually. Villanova was not previously in the National University category, begins at 50.
Many familiar state schools are clustered around the 50 mark, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn St., Florida, Georgia, Texas, etc...Some other familiar ones are clustered closer to Marquette such as Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Forida St, Michigan St, Maryland.
Marquette pretty much stays in its range annually.
I would agree that those seeking a large state school experience wouldn't consider Marquette and vice versa, unless it is the local, regional state or private school, then maybe once in a while. Many ppl are seeking a particular program, sport, geography, etc...
I wish more kids could visit more places at younger ages. Many times these choices are very random.
So what moves the needle?
All sorts of wierd things factor in. Like having a football team helps. Even if school is ranked that year in a D1 sport or won championship. Research, endowment, even certain faculty from universities are surveyed.
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Based on recent history, I'd say Iowa State
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I definitely make note of this when I do college fairs. The price of MU vs. Northeast private universities.
For example Dickinson , Franklin and Marshall etc are $62,000.
Also it not just the North East we should be prospecting public schools harder, but also the Mid Atlantic DC Virginia . Direct flights on Southwest from Baltimore are a big plus. Same theory, kids are coming from area, build the greater community of interest.
By the way, I do think the Western recruiting idea is a good one. Build that off of cities with direct flights on Southwest into Milwaukee.
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For example Dickinson , Franklin and Marshall etc are $62,000.
Also it not just the North East we should be prospecting public schools harder, but also the Mid Atlantic DC Virginia . Direct flights on Southwest from Baltimore are a big plus. Same theory, kids are coming from area, build the greater community of interest.
By the way, I do think the Western recruiting idea is a good one. Build that off of cities with direct flights on Southwest into Milwaukee.
Marquette got my brother and I both to attend coming from Connecticut.
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As much as I loved my MU experience and friends, if I could do it all over again, I'd have gone to school some place warm.
Couldn't agree with this more. I was a Milwaukee kid and only applied to MU, MSOE a UW-Mil
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Marquette got my brother and I both to attend coming from Connecticut.
Glad they were successful !!!
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ND sucks.
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Don't think this has been challenged enough...
Dayton? Really?
MU was a safety when I was applying - didn't get into Cornell or Wash U, waitlisted at Michigan, got into U MN and MU. Doesn't matter. I don't regret attending MU for a million reasons -- and one huge one is that Milwaukee was a great place to go to school.
I'm not sure anyone could favorably compare Dayton to Milwaukee on any level - national profile, culture and things to do, restaurants, parks/green space, business environment...
The A&S/business/engineering students benefit significantly from the last point - the Fortune 1000s in MKE provide opportunities to interns and grads from MU that collectively outmatch anything Dayton has to offer.
Broadly Milwaukee provides competitive advantage that should very much work in MU's favor to expand its national recruiting base. Yeah I'm biased but it has way more potential than only drawing kids from the Midwest.
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I had no idea what I was doing when I applied to college -- I was the first in my family and extended family to attend college. I chose MU over Long Beach State and San Diego State. I never applied to UCLA, USC, etc because I didn't want to write an essay on the admissions application :o Now I am back home in the Los Angeles area. It was great to get away for college, and I will have my kids go away too. Maybe even MU if they want.
But if I had to do it again given what I know now....maybe I go to Arizona State :)
I always tell people that my life has been like a human version of the Price Is Right Plinko game where I always land on the big bucks. I've been lucky and I've worked hard to make my own luck. MU was one of those choices for me that has paid great dividends and is a large part of who I am. I don't remember Cura Personalis term being used when I was at MU -- but it definitely was being taught.
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I went to a private catholic HS in Minneapolis area so therefore applied to a bunch of private and catholic schools - St. Thomas (MN), St. John's (MN), Marquette, SLU, Creighton, Drake and Loyola. Honestly, I applied to that crop of schools because my grades were never that amazing in HS - a mixture of focusing on sports and not giving a rip. Figured my ACT score would help, but didn't necessarily plan on getting into all the schools outside of MN. I guess you could have even considered MU and Creighton my reaches. Ended up getting into all of them, and chose MU due to academics, the somewhat unknown, and the distance from Minneapolis.
I loved my time at MU. If I could do it again, like others have said, I probably would go to a non religiously denominated school somewhere warm. But at that time I applied to college, I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and was just starting to realize I wasn't going to be able to play hockey the rest of my life. At the end of the day, I suppose I'm a case of the catholic school connection working out, because I had no ties to MU whatsoever.
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Don't think this has been challenged enough...
Dayton? Really?
MU was a safety when I was applying - didn't get into Cornell or Wash U, waitlisted at Michigan, got into U MN and MU. Doesn't matter. I don't regret attending MU for a million reasons -- and one huge one is that Milwaukee was a great place to go to school.
I'm not sure anyone could favorably compare Dayton to Milwaukee on any level - national profile, culture and things to do, restaurants, parks/green space, business environment...
The A&S/business/engineering students benefit significantly from the last point - the Fortune 1000s in MKE provide opportunities to interns and grads from MU that collectively outmatch anything Dayton has to offer.
Broadly Milwaukee provides competitive advantage that should very much work in MU's favor to expand its national recruiting base. Yeah I'm biased but it has way more potential than only drawing kids from the Midwest.
Wouldn't this same logic seem to indicate MU shouldn't have a chance compared to Loyola and DePaul?
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Wouldn't this same logic seem to indicate MU shouldn't have a chance compared to Loyola and DePaul?
Excellent point
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Everyone wants to think their competition is schools perceived to have better academic reputations that yours. So we want to believe our competition is ND, BC and G-Town. Since SLU, Dayton, Loyola (Chicago) and Depaul are all perceived to have academic reputations lower than MU, we don't want to believe this is MUs competition.
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As four catholic schools, ders GU, ND, BC, and da also rans, ai na?
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Wouldn't this same logic seem to indicate MU shouldn't have a chance compared to Loyola and DePaul?
DePaul and Loyola have a very high percentage of commuter and part time students. In my day, commuters comprised way more than 50% of the student body, although I am guessing it is somewhat lower now. Although they are urban, it's not exactly the same social environment.
Loyola also has the disadvange of being split among 3 locations - Rogers Park, downtown, and west suburban Maywood. Depending on your major, you will likely be hopping back and forth between at least two of these campuses. That was a non-starter for both me and my kids.
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Everyone wants to think their competition is schools perceived to have better academic reputations that yours. So we want to believe our competition is ND, BC and G-Town. Since SLU, Dayton, Loyola (Chicago) and Depaul are all perceived to have academic reputations lower than MU, we don't want to believe this is MUs competition.
Or you can stop thinking we only compete with lower schools and begin to think of it like a bell curve. Sure most students that get into the three elite catholic schools will go there but not everyone will. There's the first mark on the bell curve. Then eventually you hit the MU target students and finally it starts going down again with the students who have MU as their reach school or maybe are more interested in a big state school but happened upon a Wade video and applied anyways for smaller amounts of students again.
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My sense is DePaul and Loyola today are most similar to Marquette back when I attended in the early 80s. As chick mentioned, the commuter percentage at maybe 25% reflects that. MU's commuter percentage is now down under 5% (99 of 2002 in this year's Frosh class).
Here's one other thing. This year's class is the second largest in many years topped only by 2011. There is no doubt that the targeted application process was successful. I haven't heard anything about this year yet but suspect I will at a meeting on NMD.
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My sense is DePaul and Loyola today are most similar to Marquette back when I attended in the early 80s. As chick mentioned, the commuter percentage at maybe 25% reflects that. MU's commuter percentage is now down under 5% (99 of 2002 in this year's Frosh class).
Here's one other thing. This year's class is the second largest in many years topped only by 2011. There is no doubt that the targeted application process was successful. I haven't heard anything about this year yet but suspect I will at a meeting on NMD.
I was apart of that 2011 entering class. The common room on my floor in McCormick were still being used as a quad well into November.
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My sense is DePaul and Loyola today are most similar to Marquette back when I attended in the early 80s. As chick mentioned, the commuter percentage at maybe 25% reflects that. MU's commuter percentage is now down under 5% (99 of 2002 in this year's Frosh class).
Here's one other thing. This year's class is the second largest in many years topped only by 2011. There is no doubt that the targeted application process was successful. I haven't heard anything about this year yet but suspect I will at a meeting on NMD.
Just checked Loyola and DePaul's websites. Loyola looks like it is about 75% commuters and DePaul is 82%. DePaul counts students living off-campus, but since a great many of them aren't within walking distance of campus (because students generally can't afford to live in Lincoln Park), it is a little bit of a gray area. DePaul calls them "resimuters".
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I was apart of that 2011 entering class. The common room on my floor in McCormick were still being used as a quad well into November.
Dammit, one too many! I thought I had that app properly flagged!
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DePaul and Loyola have a very high percentage of commuter and part time students. In my day, commuters comprised way more than 50% of the student body, although I am guessing it is somewhat lower now. Although they are urban, it's not exactly the same social environment.
Loyola also has the disadvange of being split among 3 locations - Rogers Park, downtown, and west suburban Maywood. Depending on your major, you will likely be hopping back and forth between at least two of these campuses. That was a non-starter for both me and my kids.
A lot of DePaul and Loyola's students may technically be "commuters," but that just means they live off campus in other parts of the city.
I went to Loyola for grad school and the getting around thing isn't that big of a deal. RP and downtown are connected very well by transit. Only time you'd be in Maywood is for med school and then you wouldn't need to be going to the other two.
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A lot of DePaul and Loyola's students may technically be "commuters," but that just means they live off campus in other parts of the city.
And the getting around thing isn't that big of a deal. RP and downtown are connected very well by transit. Only time you'd be in Maywood is for med school and then you wouldn't need to be going to the other two.
Plus you aren't too far from the end of the blue line at the hospital/medical school
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A lot of DePaul and Loyola's students may technically be "commuters," but that just means they live off campus in other parts of the city.
I went to Loyola for grad school and the getting around thing isn't that big of a deal. RP and downtown are connected very well by transit. Only time you'd be in Maywood is for med school and then you wouldn't need to be going to the other two.
All Health Sciences are in Maywood, including undergraduate nursing. And getting there from the main campus involves two different train lines and a bus, not to mention an hour and 45 minutes of your time. How would you like it if some of your Marquette classes were held out in Waukesha? Or if you were in the B-School or a Comm major, having to take public transportation to UWM for all of the classes in your major?
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All Health Sciences are in Maywood, including undergraduate nursing. And getting there from the main campus involves two different train lines and a bus, not to mention an hour and 45 minutes of your time. How would you like it if some of your Marquette classes were held out in Waukesha? Or if you were in the B-School or a Comm major, having to take public transportation to UWM for all of the classes in your major?
I'd probably schedule my semester so all those courses were out west and live in a place like Forest park, Oak Park, or Berwyn... heck even over by UIC would be doable.
It's not ideal but clearly it's not a deal breaker driving kids away in droves either
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Just checked Loyola and DePaul's websites. Loyola looks like it is about 75% commuters and DePaul is 82%. DePaul counts students living off-campus, but since a great many of them aren't within walking distance of campus (because students generally can't afford to live in Lincoln Park), it is a little bit of a gray area. DePaul calls them "resimuters".
Where are you getting those numbers? Loyola has more commuters than MU, but it's not nearly that high. Maybe 20% if you're talking about people who would be living in a res hall otherwise. UNSWR says it's 59% of all undergrads (vs. 48% for MU.)
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I'd probably schedule my semester so all those courses were out west and live in a place like Forest park, Oak Park, or Berwyn... heck even over by UIC would be doable.
It's not ideal but clearly it's not a deal breaker driving kids away in droves either
I am sure it drives away non-commuters. It drove away 3 just in my family who didn't even bother to apply.
Anywhoo, my comments were to point out that if Marquette's urban experience is markedly different (and better IMO) than DePaul or Loyola, and to call them equivalents or near-equivalents when comparing them would not be accurate.
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All Health Sciences are in Maywood, including undergraduate nursing. And getting there from the main campus involves two different train lines and a bus, not to mention an hour and 45 minutes of your time. How would you like it if some of your Marquette classes were held out in Waukesha? Or if you were in the B-School or a Comm major, having to take public transportation to UWM for all of the classes in your major?
All undergrad classes of the School of Nursing (which includes Exercise Science and Health Systems Management) are held at the Rogers Park campus.
http://luc.edu/nursing/admission/undergrad-admission/faqs/
Nursing students don't have to go out to Maywood unless they have a clinical there.
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Don't think this has been challenged enough...
Dayton? Really?"
As a MU alum who loved my experience, I've been paying close attention to this over the past few years as my oldest is a senior in high school this year. Anecdotally, I know of at least 10 kids who were considering MU, SLU and Dayton, among other schools, over the past few years. Several of those had one or both parents attend MU. 4 out of 4 I know who considered MU and SLU for PT went to SLU, despite MU being ranked a bit better for PT (though both are very good). From speaking with those people, it seems SLU out-marketed MU in attracting those students. That is disconcerting. The others were not PT majors, but all but 2 opted for SLU or Dayton. Dayton is on a real roll in terms of increased popularity, at least among kids in the Chicagoland area. Without question, in my experience, far more kids deciding between both have opted for Dayton the past few years. Part of that may have to do with Dayton being a slightly more generous with merit awards. Other common reasons I have heard are the campus (Dayton's is nicer, though I prefer Milwaukee over Dayton in terms of the city) and that everyone who attends Dayton loves it. That was always the common refrain among kids at MU. I hope that is still the case.
Though my son grew up loving MU and got accepted, it is very likely he'll attend Dayton because MU doesn't offer what he wants to study as a major. I suspect it would have been a tough call for him if they did offer it, but Dayton was more attractive in terms of his visits to look at the schools. Without him growing up a MU fan because of me, I'm not sure it would be real close. It's going to take some work to shift from my long-standing disdain for Dayton fans, but I have to say I can see the appeal to kids at this stage. Dayton is far nicer now than it was when I visited in college, and there is no question it is a direct competitor with MU at this point, as much as MU folks may not want to admit that.
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Don't think this has been challenged enough...
Dayton? Really?
I'm not sure anyone could favorably compare Dayton to Milwaukee on any level - national profile, culture and things to do, restaurants, parks/green space, business environment...
I used to teach at a small, Catholic High School 20 miles west of Chicago; lately, the school has sent a ton of kids to Dayton. I've only been to the city of Dayton once, (and never seen UD's campus), so I often described the area as a "dump." All the parents and current students at UD are quick to correct me, citing the old cash register factory, (NCR?) and the lake near it. I guess part of Dayton is actually rather pretty.
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Don't think this has been challenged enough...
Dayton? Really?
I messed the quote up the first time; trying again:
As a MU alum who loved my experience, I've been paying close attention to this over the past few years as my oldest is a senior in high school this year. Anecdotally, I know of at least 10 kids who were considering MU, SLU and Dayton, among other schools, over the past few years. Several of those had one or both parents attend MU. 4 out of 4 I know who considered MU and SLU for PT went to SLU, despite MU being ranked a bit better for PT (though both are very good). From speaking with those people, it seems SLU out-marketed MU in attracting those students. That is disconcerting. The others were not PT majors, but all but 2 opted for SLU or Dayton. Dayton is on a real roll in terms of increased popularity, at least among kids in the Chicagoland area. Without question, in my experience, far more kids deciding between both have opted for Dayton the past few years. Part of that may have to do with Dayton being a slightly more generous with merit awards. Other common reasons I have heard are the campus (Dayton's is nicer, though I prefer Milwaukee over Dayton in terms of the city) and that everyone who attends Dayton loves it. That was always the common refrain among kids at MU. I hope that is still the case.
Though my son grew up loving MU and got accepted, it is very likely he'll attend Dayton because MU doesn't offer what he wants to study as a major. I suspect it would have been a tough call for him if they did offer it, but Dayton was more attractive in terms of his visits to look at the schools. Without him growing up a MU fan because of me, I'm not sure it would be real close. It's going to take some work to shift from my long-standing disdain for Dayton fans, but I have to say I can see the appeal to kids at this stage. Dayton is far nicer now than it was when I visited in college, and there is no question it is a direct competitor with MU at this point, as much as MU folks may not want to admit that.
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All undergrad classes of the School of Nursing (which includes Exercise Science and Health Systems Management) are held at the Rogers Park campus.
http://luc.edu/nursing/admission/undergrad-admission/faqs/
Nursing students don't have to go out to Maywood unless they have a clinical there.
Okay; I stand corrected.
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My sense is DePaul and Loyola today are most similar to Marquette back when I attended in the early 80s. As chick mentioned, the commuter percentage at maybe 25% reflects that. MU's commuter percentage is now down under 5% (99 of 2002 in this year's Frosh class).
Here's one other thing. This year's class is the second largest in many years topped only by 2011. There is no doubt that the targeted application process was successful. I haven't heard anything about this year yet but suspect I will at a meeting on NMD.
It would help our rating if we were more selective, the best thing we can do is to have kids actually get denied admission. Makes the ones who got admitted it value it more. That is part of the game that needs to be played to get the rating up. Also have every alumni contribute something even if it's only $5. They look at percent of alumni giving.
I am not a fan of the targeted application process it just defines us down . Have to set bigger goals if you want to achieve greatness. People judge a school by the company it keeps.
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It would help our rating if we were more selective, the best thing we can do is to have kids actually get denied admission. Makes the ones who got admitted it value it more. That is part of the game that needs to be played to get the rating up. Also have every alumni contribute something even if it's only $5. They look at percent of alumni giving.
I am not a fan of the targeted application process it just defines us down . Have to set bigger goals if you want to achieve greatness. People judge a school by the company it keeps.
I think I just came up with our new slogan:
Marquette University: We're snobbier a$$holes than those poor slobs in Dayton.
ETA: Your suggestion is such an East Coast thing to say. ;)
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It would help our rating if we were more selective, the best thing we can do is to have kids actually get denied admission. Makes the ones who got admitted it value it more. That is part of the game that needs to be played to get the rating up. Also have every alumni contribute something even if it's only $5. They look at percent of alumni giving.
I am not a fan of the targeted application process it just defines us down . Have to set bigger goals if you want to achieve greatness. People judge a school by the company it keeps.
While that obviously makes sense you realize it's counter to the Jesuit mission right?
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While that obviously makes sense you realize it's counter to the Jesuit mission right?
BC and Georgetown don't subscribe to the same Jesuit mission.
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Don't think this has been challenged enough...
Dayton? Really?"
As a MU alum who loved my experience, I've been paying close attention to this over the past few years as my oldest is a senior in high school this year. Anecdotally, I know of at least 10 kids who were considering MU, SLU and Dayton, among other schools, over the past few years. Several of those had one or both parents attend MU. 4 out of 4 I know who considered MU and SLU for PT went to SLU, despite MU being ranked a bit better for PT (though both are very good). From speaking with those people, it seems SLU out-marketed MU in attracting those students. That is disconcerting. The others were not PT majors, but all but 2 opted for SLU or Dayton. Dayton is on a real roll in terms of increased popularity, at least among kids in the Chicagoland area. Without question, in my experience, far more kids deciding between both have opted for Dayton the past few years. Part of that may have to do with Dayton being a slightly more generous with merit awards. Other common reasons I have heard are the campus (Dayton's is nicer, though I prefer Milwaukee over Dayton in terms of the city) and that everyone who attends Dayton loves it. That was always the common refrain among kids at MU. I hope that is still the case.
Though my son grew up loving MU and got accepted, it is very likely he'll attend Dayton because MU doesn't offer what he wants to study as a major. I suspect it would have been a tough call for him if they did offer it, but Dayton was more attractive in terms of his visits to look at the schools. Without him growing up a MU fan because of me, I'm not sure it would be real close. It's going to take some work to shift from my long-standing disdain for Dayton fans, but I have to say I can see the appeal to kids at this stage. Dayton is far nicer now than it was when I visited in college, and there is no question it is a direct competitor with MU at this point, as much as MU folks may not want to admit that.
Sounds like u raised ur kid wrong. My okdest will graduate from MU this spring
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Sounds like u raised ur kid wrong. My okdest will graduate from MU this spring
That must be it.
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BC and Georgetown don't subscribe to the same Jesuit mission.
I would argue that they do not.
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Growing up in the Chicago area, my college applications went out to Marquette, Saint Louis, Notre Dame, and U of I. In retrospect, that seems like a really short list. Even the U of I application only went out because it was free. About a third of my Catholic high school went to UIUC, a third to some combination of MU, ND, or SLU, and a third went somewhere else.
By the time I got waitlisted at ND, I had already gotten into MU and SLU, and had decided that I didn't want to wait around for ND to make a decision. I tallied up MU and SLU's pros and cons (remember, this was 15 years ago, back when both schools were in Conference USA). The tally came out to a dead-even tie.
My dad told me to flip a coin. I thought that was a pretty flippant way to make a big decision. He told me "No, flip the coin, heads Marquette/tails SLU, and hold it on your hand for 5 minutes. Don't look at it. If it's heads and you're happy, you know where you want to go. If it's heads and you're disappointed, you know where you want to go."
It was heads, and I ended up going to Marquette. As fate would have it, I ended up going to SLU for law school.
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Used to work in admissions.
Loyola, SLU, Creighton, Xavier, Madison, MN
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Used to work in admissions.
Loyola, SLU, Creighton, Xavier, Madison, MN
Makes a lot of sense.
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BC and Georgetown don't subscribe to the same Jesuit mission.
If the Jesuit mission is to take lots of kids from Catholic schools, you may be on to something. Only 18% of Georgetown's admissions pool is from a Catholic HS and numbers have a lot to do with it.
http://www.thehoya.com/georgetown-early-action-admissions-rate-reaches-record-low/
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I suggest you look at the college confidential forums if you wish to gain first hand perspective. There is plenty of discussion as to what these high school students are thinking when they look at Marquette and Dayton.
Nobody has mentioned it, but Dayton is much more of a party school than Marquette. It consistently ranks among the best, with a recent top 5 spot via Playboy and number 1 overall via BroBible. Hate it or love it, these things matter. It resonates with thirsty students when friends older than them are having a great time. I drove around MU campus before the Nova game and it was a ghost town. Even at the game, the student section was no more than 60% full. Dayton, in a considerably smaller market, consistently sells tickets for a much higher percentage of the arena - recently averaging 12k+ per game in a 13k arena.
Dayton also has a nicer and more collegiate campus. That hasn't been mentioned either. MU is urban, full of people driving through, and homeless. Many young people like a more traditional environment.
Better party atmosphere and more collegiate feel go a long way. Two big reasons that Dayton is competing with MU despite lower academic rank. Gives me solace that Kostas might have picked Dayton over MU even if we offered him.
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Growing up in the Chicago area, my college applications went out to Marquette, Saint Louis, Notre Dame, and U of I. In retrospect, that seems like a really short list. Even the U of I application only went out because it was free. About a third of my Catholic high school went to UIUC, a third to some combination of MU, ND, or SLU, and a third went somewhere else.
By the time I got waitlisted at ND, I had already gotten into MU and SLU, and had decided that I didn't want to wait around for ND to make a decision. I tallied up MU and SLU's pros and cons (remember, this was 15 years ago, back when both schools were in Conference USA). The tally came out to a dead-even tie.
My dad told me to flip a coin. I thought that was a pretty flippant way to make a big decision. He told me "No, flip the coin, heads Marquette/tails SLU, and hold it on your hand for 5 minutes. Don't look at it. If it's heads and you're happy, you know where you want to go. If it's heads and you're disappointed, you know where you want to go."
It was heads, and I ended up going to Marquette. As fate would have it, I ended up going to SLU for law school.
I like this. Good advice.
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I suggest you look at the college confidential forums if you wish to gain first hand perspective. There is plenty of discussion as to what these high school students are thinking when they look at Marquette and Dayton.
Nobody has mentioned it, but Dayton is much more of a party school than Marquette. It consistently ranks among the best, with a recent top 5 spot via Playboy and number 1 overall via BroBible. Hate it or love it, these things matter. It resonates with thirsty students when friends older than them are having a great time. I drove around MU campus before the Nova game and it was a ghost town. Even at the game, the student section was no more than 60% full. Dayton, in a considerably smaller market, consistently sells tickets for a much higher percentage of the arena - recently averaging 12k+ per game in a 13k arena.
Dayton also has a nicer and more collegiate campus. That hasn't been mentioned either. MU is urban, full of people driving through, and homeless. Many young people like a more traditional environment.
Better party atmosphere and more collegiate feel go a long way. Two big reasons that Dayton is competing with MU despite lower academic rank. Gives me solace that Kostas might have picked Dayton over MU even if we offered him.
I don't follow these lists anymore since I'm not 18 trying to get my friends to visit but I do know that my freshman and sophomore years Playboy ranked MU as the number 1 catholic party school. I also know that Dayton was not on any list those years. Maybe you're right and things have changed or maybe you're going off a really really old list.
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I suggest you look at the college confidential forums if you wish to gain first hand perspective. There is plenty of discussion as to what these high school students are thinking when they look at Marquette and Dayton.
Nobody has mentioned it, but Dayton is much more of a party school than Marquette. It consistently ranks among the best, with a recent top 5 spot via Playboy and number 1 overall via BroBible. Hate it or love it, these things matter. It resonates with thirsty students when friends older than them are having a great time. I drove around MU campus before the Nova game and it was a ghost town. Even at the game, the student section was no more than 60% full. Dayton, in a considerably smaller market, consistently sells tickets for a much higher percentage of the arena - recently averaging 12k+ per game in a 13k arena.
Dayton also has a nicer and more collegiate campus. That hasn't been mentioned either. MU is urban, full of people driving through, and homeless. Many young people like a more traditional environment.
Better party atmosphere and more collegiate feel go a long way. Two big reasons that Dayton is competing with MU despite lower academic rank. Gives me solace that Kostas might have picked Dayton over MU even if we offered him.
Agree with you that Dayton being a bigger party school matters to HS kids.
Disagree about the urban campus. Millennials are more urban then previous generations. So much so that GE moved to Boston and McDonald's is moving to downtown Chicago (and Caterpillar is leaving Peoria for Chicago). These companies are not re-locating to more urban setting because the middle-aged managers with three kids and a country club membership want to work downtown, they are doing it because that puts them in the best position to attract millennials, the future of their companies.
Adding to this the number of families that are raising kids in urban settings. As I have mentioned before, I live in Lincoln Park and have four kids in Private school. When my oldest was accepted into kindergarten in 1998, it was thought to be as selective as getting into an ivy league college. But by third grade so many families bailed for the suburbs that they had unfilled spots and would take just about anyone. Today, every spot and every grade is filled with a waiting list. That is the case at most selective schools in Chicago.
The point is living "urban" is more desired than ever and an urban schools are also desired. New York University is surging in popularity because it is in Greenwich Village. UCLA, is the middle of LA, is the first college to get over 100,000 applications (last year). Ditto Boston University and many other urban schools.
Many "urban oriented kids" hear more collegiate campus and really hear "boring." An urban school is a reason for a lot of kids to pick MU, not shy away from it.
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How is Dayton a bigger party school? Have any of you actually been to Dayton?
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Re Dayton as a party school
http://campusgrotto.com/playboys-top-party-schools-for-2010.html
I don't think they've named a top catholic party school in a few years though
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Re Dayton as a party school
http://campusgrotto.com/playboys-top-party-schools-for-2010.html
I don't think they've named a top catholic party school in a few years though
you link did have this
Best Catholic Party School: Marquette
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you link did have this
Best Catholic Party School: Marquette
Yup, I remember when that came out. Was a big deal in these parts.
Not sure if I agree with it, but, hey, no publicity is bad publicity.
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How is Dayton a bigger party school? Have any of you actually been to Dayton?
Because we stopped partying.
I look at the student as four quadrants.
Lower East
Lower West (behind the band)
Upper Bottom
Upper Top
Here's how that was for #22 Butler:
Lower East: FULL
Lower West: Half Full
Upper Bottom: Empty
Upper Top: Empty
We have a student body of kids who no longer resemble previous student bodies. I'm not saying that's good or bad but it's a different type of student.
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Because we stopped partying.
I look at the student as four quadrants.
Lower East
Lower West (behind the band)
Upper Bottom
Upper Top
Here's how that was for #22 Butler:
Lower East: FULL
Lower West: Half Full
Upper Bottom: Empty
Upper Top: Empty
We have a student body of kids who no longer resemble previous student bodies. I'm not saying that's good or bad but it's a different type of student.
Maybe no one showed up because they'd rather be partying at a bar that had $3 beers than at the Arena with $8 beers.
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I don't doubt that historically MU has been a place to have a good time. Especially considering prime location in the brew city. But Dayton is 100% the better party school today - I can say that confidently having spent time on both campuses. They have this extensive row of houses that are somehow considered "on campus" and therefore are protected from outside police influences by campus security. You can have an unbelievable time most nights of the week. Also solid greek life scene.
Maybe new arena will encourage a tailgate-type setting. That'll get the students out of their dorms and rowdy!
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Agree with you that Dayton being a bigger party school matters to HS kids.
Disagree about the urban campus. Millennials are more urban then previous generations. So much so that GE moved to Boston and McDonald's is moving to downtown Chicago (and Caterpillar is leaving Peoria for Chicago). These companies are not re-locating to more urban setting because the middle-aged managers with three kids and a country club membership want to work downtown, they are doing it because that puts them in the best position to attract millennials, the future of their companies.
Adding to this the number of families that are raising kids in urban settings. As I have mentioned before, I live in Lincoln Park and have four kids in Private school. When my oldest was accepted into kindergarten in 1998, it was thought to be as selective as getting into an ivy league college. But by third grade so many families bailed for the suburbs that they had unfilled spots and would take just about anyone. Today, every spot and every grade is filled with a waiting list. That is the case at most selective schools in Chicago.
The point is living "urban" is more desired than ever and an urban schools are also desired. New York University is surging in popularity because it is in Greenwich Village. UCLA, is the middle of LA, is the first college to get over 100,000 applications (last year). Ditto Boston University and many other urban schools.
Many "urban oriented kids" hear more collegiate campus and really hear "boring." An urban school is a reason for a lot of kids to pick MU, not shy away from it.
Great point and 100% accurate! It's happening in NYC as well, although because of the costs of living there and the cost of pvt elementary school rivals most eastern private colleges these days, suburban flight is still alive and well except for the uber wealthy, but people are delaying it as long as possible. We just moved out of the city to the suburbs for the sake of the schools a month ago. I'm 47 but in the 80's and 90's it was standard for people to move to the suburbs much earlier so Yukon's point is correct. My Dad used to tell me, folks like you and your wife are unwilling to give up the city lifestyle for the sake of their kids. GUILTY! But.... he would have been too if the city was like it is today in the 70's, and obviously I'm not a millennial.
Unfortunately MKE is not LA, NYC or Boston and therein lies the conundrum for MU. It's gotten better since the 80's for sure but so have those other 3 monster cities. Doesn't help that it's the dead of winter there 8/12 months a year either.
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Interest review RE Marquette on colleges.com - a key site that prospective students use to compare schools.
"Grossly overrated school in a completely unsafe area. I am a hiring manager from a Fortune 500 firm and an MU graduate. I was told not to hire MU grads unless they are Engineering or IT degrees while other local schools like UW Milwaukee or UW Whitewater any degree is suitable providing grades are at a certain level.
When enrollment drops off the administration increases the number of hispanic admissions. This is done to keep appearances so in 10 years the percentage of white students has decreased from 80% to 70%."
Yikes. So much for the glory of an urban campus..
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I don't doubt that historically MU has been a place to have a good time. Especially considering prime location in the brew city. But Dayton is 100% the better party school today - I can say that confidently having spent time on both campuses. They have this extensive row of houses that are somehow considered "on campus" and therefore are protected from outside police influences by campus security. You can have an unbelievable time most nights of the week. Also solid greek life scene.
Maybe new arena will encourage a tailgate-type setting. That'll get the students out of their dorms and rowdy!
The row of houses you referred to is called "the Ghetto", and when I was visited in '90 it was pretty dumpy, though fun. Currently, it is essentially a neighborhood (approx 4 blocks X 4 blocks) of student occupied houses; almost all universally owned and maintained. The houses are very well kept by the university so it doesn't look dumpy anymore, and as referenced, it is essentially part of campus. It's a great party scene and the cops don't bother anyone as long as the drinking stays on the lawn. I know several students there now, and I have to say, it looks like a blast.
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Maybe no one showed up because they'd rather be partying at a bar that had $3 bears
$3 bears? Someone tell Betsy DeVos to bring her gun!
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Interest review RE Marquette on colleges.com - a key site that prospective students use to compare schools.
"Grossly overrated school in a completely unsafe area. I am a hiring manager from a Fortune 500 firm and an MU graduate. I was told not to hire MU grads unless they are Engineering or IT degrees while other local schools like UW Milwaukee or UW Whitewater any degree is suitable providing grades are at a certain level.
When enrollment drops off the administration increases the number of hispanic admissions. This is done to keep appearances so in 10 years the percentage of white students has decreased from 80% to 70%."
Yikes. So much for the glory of an urban campus..
Sounds to me like it was just someone with an axe to grind. Very much doubt that was a real alum.
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Interest review RE Marquette on colleges.com - a key site that prospective students use to compare schools.
"Grossly overrated school in a completely unsafe area. I am a hiring manager from a Fortune 500 firm and an MU graduate. I was told not to hire MU grads unless they are Engineering or IT degrees while other local schools like UW Milwaukee or UW Whitewater any degree is suitable providing grades are at a certain level.
When enrollment drops off the administration increases the number of hispanic admissions. This is done to keep appearances so in 10 years the percentage of white students has decreased from 80% to 70%."
Yikes. So much for the glory of an urban campus..
Someone needs to go to MU and slap this person's English/writing professor.
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Sounds to me like it was just someone with an axe to grind. Very much doubt that was a real alum.
One bitter anonymous poster and that is now the reputation of the entire school.
Hey I'm a bitter anonymous poster too ... how come my words don't carry that kind of influence?!
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Used to work in admissions.
Loyola, SLU, Creighton, Xavier, Madison, MN
Thats funny. I absolutely believe you and that makes a ton of sense, but I didnt apply for any of those. I like being the outlier here.
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The row of houses you referred to is called "the Ghetto", and when I was visited in '90 it was pretty dumpy, though fun. Currently, it is essentially a neighborhood (approx 4 blocks X 4 blocks) of student occupied houses; almost all universally owned and maintained. The houses are very well kept by the university so it doesn't look dumpy anymore, and as referenced, it is essentially part of campus. It's a great party scene and the cops don't bother anyone as long as the drinking stays on the lawn. I know several students there now, and I have to say, it looks like a blast.
A lot of the houses in the Ghetto have been razed for upgraded student housing. My sister was class of '02 and they were bulldozing the place she lived in right after graduation.
One cool graduation tradition they have that would be nice if it spread to Marquette. Groups of graduating seniors (such as housemates) rent tents to put out on their lawn and host a catered party for their friends and relatives who come in for the ceremony. It was really fun when my sister did it.
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Because we stopped partying.
I look at the student as four quadrants.
Lower East
Lower West (behind the band)
Upper Bottom
Upper Top
Here's how that was for #22 Butler:
Lower East: FULL
Lower West: Half Full
Upper Bottom: Empty
Upper Top: Empty
We have a student body of kids who no longer resemble previous student bodies. I'm not saying that's good or bad but it's a different type of student.
Party school and showing up to basketball games when we've been bad the last three seasons is not the same thing.
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Party school and showing up to basketball games when we've been bad the last three seasons is not the same thing.
This is true. However, much of the day drinking (at least that I did) is done for basketball games. Sure during the summer it's easy to spend a month drunk going to summerfest and brewers games but in the winter the only day drinking excuse is pregaming for MU basketball which isn't going to be done if the team is bad. Thus there's a correlation between partying and good sports teams.
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A lot of the houses in the Ghetto have been razed for upgraded student housing. My sister was class of '02 and they were bulldozing the place she lived in right after graduation.
One cool graduation tradition they have that would be nice if it spread to Marquette. Groups of graduating seniors (such as housemates) rent tents to put out on their lawn and host a catered party for their friends and relatives who come in for the ceremony. It was really fun when my sister did it.
I think they must have rebuilt several houses, and I think they built some apartments as well. There is still quite a bit of Ghetto there. Several houses look pretty new. Priority in housing selection is based on points earned by grades and participation in activities. Did your sister have a good experience?
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I think they must have rebuilt several houses, and I think they built some apartments as well. There is still quite a bit of Ghetto there. Several houses look pretty new. Priority in housing selection is based on points earned by grades and participation in activities. Did your sister have a good experience?
Yes, she did. She was a bit of a screwup in high school and was accepted to Dayton under their version of the FFP. She graduated just as the internet was exploding, and ended up being one of the early search optimization and customer experience experts. She is working for Adobe now.
She looks back on her time fondly, but her only connection to the school these days is the friends she still keeps in touch with.