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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Dawson Rental on January 07, 2017, 08:41:12 PM

Poll
Question: Who is MU's best inside player?
Option 1: Luke Fischer
Option 2: Matt Heldt
Option 3: Sam Hauser
Title: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Dawson Rental on January 07, 2017, 08:41:12 PM
Here's a hint, Its Hauser.  Better offensive player, better defender, better rebounder (because he boxes out).
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 07, 2017, 08:44:43 PM
Bad poll
Hauser is a 4

But if ur asking if heldt is better rhan fisher its a resounding yes. 
Last year the only times we were any good is when we played henry at the 5 with 4 guards.  Luke makes us horrible
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: forgetful on January 07, 2017, 08:45:01 PM
Ummm, why isn't Howard an option.  I think he scored the most points in the paint tonight.  (note:  not really saying Howard is our best inside player, but no one deserved such an honor tonight.)
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2017, 08:45:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 07, 2017, 08:44:43 PM
Bad poll
Hauser is a 4


Not when we go small.  I thought we should have done it more often.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Jay Bee on January 07, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
Quote from: 4everCrean on January 07, 2017, 08:41:12 PM
Here's a hint, Its Hauser.  Better offensive player,

BTW... Hauser has 6 more 2-point FGA's than Heldt this season. More than 3 out of every 4 FGA's for Hauser are from 3-point range this year. #InsiderPlaya?
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Dawson Rental on January 07, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 07, 2017, 08:44:43 PM
Bad poll
Hauser is a 4

But if ur asking if heldt is better rhan fisher its a resounding yes. 
Last year the only times we were any good is when we played henry at the 5 with 4 guards.  Luke makes us horrible

Fours play inside too.  I can understand you not understanding that since you're probably been a Marquette fan for the last decade.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Dawson Rental on January 07, 2017, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 07, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
BTW... Hauser has 6 more 2-point FGA's than Heldt this season. More than 3 out of every 4 FGA's for Hauser are from 3-point range this year. #InsiderPlaya?

On defense, surely.  Inside players can take their defenders outside when they have an advantage out there, like Hauser does.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 07, 2017, 08:51:08 PM
Un-named future transfer
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2017, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 07, 2017, 08:51:08 PM
Un-named future transfer

He has a name.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 07, 2017, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 07, 2017, 09:18:29 PM
He has a name.

HF come on down...!  And eat some salads!
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 07, 2017, 11:00:59 PM
People are overreacting, Fischer is clearly the most talented inside player. Heldt might get there but he's certainly not there yet. And Hauser is not an inside player.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on January 08, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
Fish e r is a big disappointment.  Hauser is great.  Held may become better than Fisher.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Newsdreams on January 08, 2017, 01:49:26 PM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 08, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
Fish e r is a big disappointment.  Hauser is great.  Held may become better than Fisher.
Inside game is not Hauser's game he looses some of his offensive strength by playing inside. Do not think Heldt will get to the level of Fischer.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: brewcity77 on January 08, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
Offensively, it's Luke without question. Defensively, while Hauser gets boards, that's largely because Luke and Heldt are boxing out effectively.

My real question is why Luke's shot-blocking has regressed. He was beastly in 2015 when he first got here, but his percentage has dropped each year since. It's not just that first ASU game either (5 blocks) as he had 3+ blocks in 12/24 games that first year. In the two years since, he's blocked 3+ shots in a game only 7 total times.

Obviously defending for a big is more than just blocking shots, but I think this is indicative of Luke being a much better defender in a zone than in man. We funneled attackers into him and it allowed him to operate in a more limited space without having to come outside to defend as often. However while Luke thrives in a zone, I'm not sure many other players here do. Just not enough length.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 08, 2017, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 08, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
Offensively, it's Luke without question. Defensively, while Hauser gets boards, that's largely because Luke and Heldt are boxing out effectively.

My real question is why Luke's shot-blocking has regressed. He was beastly in 2015 when he first got here, but his percentage has dropped each year since. It's not just that first ASU game either (5 blocks) as he had 3+ blocks in 12/24 games that first year. In the two years since, he's blocked 3+ shots in a game only 7 total times.

Obviously defending for a big is more than just blocking shots, but I think this is indicative of Luke being a much better defender in a zone than in man. We funneled attackers into him and it allowed him to operate in a more limited space without having to come outside to defend as often. However while Luke thrives in a zone, I'm not sure many other players here do. Just not enough length.

I've wondered if he fears fouls too much now.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 08, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
Opposing coaches game-plan to neutralize Luke on offense and defense.  Gard game-planned for Hauser.  Pretty sure no coach has game-planned for Matt.

I like Matt because he overhustles has talent, which is his role.
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 09, 2017, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: 4everCrean on January 07, 2017, 08:41:12 PM
Here's a hint, Its Hauser.  Better offensive player, better defender, better rebounder (because he boxes out).
and can actually get a rebound. But heldt is starting to come along like how he's played the last few games
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 09, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
Don't they all play inside this time of year?
Title: Re: Who is MU's best inside player?
Post by: leever on January 09, 2017, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 09, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
Don't they all play inside this time of year?

Unless they are being punished.  Mind games.
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