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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 07, 2017, 08:03:33 PM
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1. Villanova is defending national champs. A clinic.
2. Howard is a keeper.
3. Study Nova. What MU needs to aspire to.
4. A long way to go. Try to learn something and move on.
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Normally I'd agree and not that a win was in the cards, but Jesus c'mon. Nova is human. This effort sucked. Our best player is a HS Senior! Poor effort on D, poor shot selection on O. Wojo should donate his check this week. Abysmal.
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1. Villanova is defending national champs. A clinic.
2. Howard is a keeper.
3. Study Nova. What MU needs to aspire to.
4. A long way to go. Try to learn something and move on.
All true points, just sucks to see how far away from being competitive this team is
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Normally I'd agree and not that a win was in the cards, but Jesus c'mon. Nova is human. This effort sucked. Our best player is a HS Senior! Poor effort on D, poor shot selection on O. Wojo should donate his check this week. Abysmal.
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Nova's seniors have never lost 2 games in a row.
Their average margin of victory in games after a loss is 18.5.
There was one loss by 9. One by 3. 3 by 20+ and 2 more by 30+.
Wright knows how to use a loss to inspire good play.
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I thought we'd have a chance if we hit 13-15 threes. 3 mins to go and we have 12, and down 22.
Nova is good. Were slightly above average. Move on. Beat SHU on Wed, beat DePaul, and grab 1/3 versus X, Butler and Nova again. That gets us to 4-4, not a bad spot to be with that schedule. Whether this team can do that - who knows?
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Stank, stunk and stink, last 3 years in a nutshell. I'm ready to move on from the Wojo trainwreck.
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#1 Yep, VU is pretty good. MU making them look like world beaters. DePaul lost to them by 3.
#2 Howard is definitely a keeper. At 17 looks to leaps and bounds tougher(mentally if not physically)than our Seniors.
#3 Study VU, aspire to be them. These kids are only around for about 4 years. No amount of studying will....
#4 A long long long long way to go. I think what we have learned is that this MU team is lacking mental and physical toughness at approximately 2.5 positions at any given time.
If you can't tell I was pretty disappointed. This team is not remotely tough enough to compete with the first 5 teams in the BE. I thought it was pathetic. I did like Wojo's fire with the "T"
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Nova's seniors have never lost 2 games in a row.
Their average margin of victory in games after a loss is 18.5.
There was one loss by 9. One by 3. 3 by 20+ and 2 more by 30+.
Wright knows how to use a loss to inspire good play.
Wrong thread. Several people adamantly disagree with these points.
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Willing to chalk this one up to catching the champs on the wrong day. Looking for a strong effort on Wednesday. Pretty much a must win if this team has any dreams of dancing.
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I thought we'd have a chance if we hit 13-15 threes. 3 mins to go and we have 12, and down 22.
Nova is good. Were slightly above average. Move on. Beat SHU on Wed, beat DePaul, and grab 1/3 versus X, Butler and Nova again. That gets us to 4-4, not a bad spot to be with that schedule. Whether this team can do that - who knows?
Loss at home to SHU, beat DePaul, and 0-3 vs X, Butler, and VU. 2-6 NIT looking like a pipe dream.
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Stank, stunk and stink, last 3 years in a nutshell. I'm ready to move on from the Wojo trainwreck.
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Wrong thread. Several people adamantly disagree with these points.
Just posting facts.
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I thought we'd have a chance if we hit 13-15 threes. 3 mins to go and we have 12, and down 22.
Nova is good. Were slightly above average. Move on. Beat SHU on Wed, beat DePaul, and grab 1/3 versus X, Butler and Nova again. That gets us to 4-4, not a bad spot to be with that schedule. Whether this team can do that - who knows?
And they hit 14 threes. Team was better w Luke on the bench tonight.
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Normally I'd agree and not that a win was in the cards, but Jesus c'mon. Nova is human. This effort sucked. Our best player is a HS Senior! Poor effort on D, poor shot selection on O. Wojo should donate his check this week. Abysmal.
I'm sorry but could you please explain to me what coaching errors you saw tonight that would require Wojo to give up his paycheck? What I saw were two teams at vastly different talent levels, not a team that was masterfully coached and one where the coaching was abysmal.
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And they hit 14 threes. Team was better w Luke on the bench tonight.
I thought we would miss Luke a ton next season. Now I'm not so sure.
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Expected to get our butts whooped, and we got our butts whooped.
Cheatham is terrible. I'm starting to lose hope on him this season. Enough is enough, when Duane is healthy he needs to take a large chunk of Cheatham's minutes.
Fischer and Johnson continue to play horrible against major opponents. They put up numbers against mediocre teams but can't get the job done against quality opponents. Just do not make winning plays.
Howard is really good
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Not sure what game you guys watched; 12 point loss = good effort vs. nat'l champs.
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Wrong thread. Several people adamantly disagree with these points.
Yup. And still definitely do. In my opinion? We're incredibly overmatched at 4 of 5 positions, completely overmatched when comparing benches, and completely overmatched on the coaching front. If Nova had won by 15 against Butler, they still win this game by 15 tonight. Sorry, but they're simply a better basketball team. Plain and simple.
Some might think our talent is close to theirs I guess. I personally think it's as different as the talent from Marquette to Houston Baptist.
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Positives
1. Mu battled back from down 30 to only lose by 12. This will make the Bad Breaks segment. Easy victory against the spread to a push
2. The guys who can compete against Nova are young. Howard was there and Hauser did well too. While JJJ and Luke struggled the new guard is starting to produce and held their own against Nova.
3. Howard can shoot
4. Wojo gets a lot of heat but his guys showed some pride in the end instead of packing it up. Even with the second string they didn't let it end at 20+ loss. I think we can see how limited the team has been and why Buzz likely wanted out of town.
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There were a few positives:
a) neither of our freshman sh@t themselves
b) Luke has now proven he doesn't belong
c) Heldt had some nice minutes
d) 3pt percentage was good.
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I thought we would miss Luke a ton next season. Now I'm not so sure.
We are a much better team without him NOW, and if two of the three freshmen can play a lick we'll be much better next year. They didn't quit tonight, and Sam found himself in the second half. Wednesday is the season. Lose, and you're likely looking at 6-12 BE.
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Stank, stunk and stink, last 3 years in a nutshell. I'm ready to move on from the Wojo trainwreck.
If you can't see progress, you are blind.
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I'm sorry but could you please explain to me what coaching errors you saw tonight that would require Wojo to give up his paycheck? What I saw were two teams at vastly different talent levels, not a team that was masterfully coached and one where the coaching was abysmal.
Well then our GM should give back their paycheck.
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We are a much better team without him NOW, and if two of the three freshmen can play a lick we'll be much better next year. They didn't quit tonight, and Sam found himself in the second half. Wednesday is the season. Lose, and you're likely looking at 6-12 BE.
Give me Froling and I'm feeling more confident about next season than I was about this one.
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We are a much better team without him NOW, and if two of the three freshmen can play a lick we'll be much better next year. They didn't quit tonight, and Sam found himself in the second half. Wednesday is the season. Lose, and you're likely looking at 6-12 BE.
I thought we played best when we played small, but it seemed like Wojo didn't trust it. Too bad.
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Just posting facts.
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MU **it the bed, that is also a fact. IMHO there was exactly one D1 team out there tonight. I can take getting beat by a better team but getting embarrassed because they played like something the PEOTUS likes to grab is absolutely unacceptable.
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Butler fooked us over, hey?
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I'm sorry but could you please explain to me what coaching errors you saw tonight that would require Wojo to give up his paycheck? What I saw were two teams at vastly different talent levels, not a team that was masterfully coached and one where the coaching was abysmal.
Wojo's coaching was the least of Marquette's issues.
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I'm sorry but could you please explain to me what coaching errors you saw tonight that would require Wojo to give up his paycheck? What I saw were two teams at vastly different talent levels, not a team that was masterfully coached and one where the coaching was abysmal.
Effort. Have your team ready. Scout your opponent and have your team ready to execute your defensive and offensive scheme. Little stuff like that. I mean did you watch that? Sure the kids need to play but at what point did you honestly think that team was prepared for tonight?
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-MU needs something, anything or anybody to get a new defensive scheme. Three years in and just is not functioning
- MU made 14 for 31 from three and still lost, since Nova also made 14 for 23.
- Fischer had a brutal game with Nova's biggest guy on floor at 6ft 8. 4 points, 4 bounds, two turnovers.
- Cheatham in major slump, unless he comes out of it, with others playing poorly, will MU even make 7 wins.
- Interesting lineup last 10 minutes with Fischer on bench and Hauser at center. MU shot lights out during timeframe and cut lead by almost 20 points.
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Marquette's effort was fine. Execution was a problem. Lack of leadership from seniors is a problem.
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MU **it the bed, that is also a fact. IMHO there was exactly one D1 team out there tonight. I can take getting beat by a better team but getting embarrassed because they played like something the PEOTUS likes to grab is absolutely unacceptable.
Most teams **it the bed from time to time. Most teams **it the bed against #1 teams in country at a pretty high rate. It happens. Beat Seton Hall on Wednesday and we are ahead of schedule.
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Wojo's coaching was the least of Marquette's issues.
I'm not so sure about that. I mean who is responsible for recruiting, preparing and executing?
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I'm not so sure about that. I mean who is responsible for recruiting, preparing and executing?
The recruiting has been great.
Preparation has been OK...not stellar.
Execution is the players responsibility.
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Basketball is a game of floors and ceilings. Villanova played close to their ceiling. Marquette played between their average and their floor. Result is a butt whooping. It happens. Use it as motivation against Seton Hall.
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Wish Luke could do what this 15 year old girl can...
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/15-year-old-girl-throws-down-one-handed-dunk-in-high-school-game-video-153651551.html
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Most teams **it the bed from time to time. Most teams **it the bed against #1 teams in country at a pretty high rate. It happens. Beat Seton Hall on Wednesday and we are ahead of schedule.
On schedule, not ahead of it.
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I'm not gonna get after Wojo, because I don't know how you stop that team when they're hitting like that. Can't zone 'em. Can't pack in the defense. They tried to run them off the three point line but the rotations and ball movement were impeccable.
MU has to do a better job of closing out without selling out. Got beat off the bounce a bunch after poor closeouts.
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I'm not so sure about that. I mean who is responsible for recruiting, preparing and executing?
Wojo's recruits:
2015
Henry Ellenson (in the NBA)
Haanif Cheatham (leading returning scorer from last year; sophomore slump)
Traci Carter (Transferred out, because of a Freshman phenom see below)
Sacar Anim (Redshirt)
Matt Heldt (serviceable backup; promising future)
2016
Sam Hauser (one of best BE freshman)
Markus Howard (one of nations best freshman)
Recruiting is great. Preparing is fine. Execution has been a problem, but not surprising based on our best players being young.
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Butler fooked us over, hey?
Lol - if it weren't for this and those damn buzz players we would have spanked them.
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Give me Froling and I'm feeling more confident about next season than I was about this one.
Really a big deal to me. Hope we bring him in.
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Wojo's recruits:
2015
Henry Ellenson (in the NBA)
Haanif Cheatham (leading returning scorer from last year; sophomore slump)
Traci Carter (Transferred out, because of a Freshman phenom see below)
Sacar Anim (Redshirt)
Matt Heldt (serviceable backup; promising future)
2016
Sam Hauser (one of best BE freshman)
Markus Howard (one of nations best freshman)
Recruiting is great. Preparing is fine. Execution has been a problem, but not surprising based on our best players being young.
2015 was a top 10 rated class. Today I'd bet it's not top 50. Hell, the way Haani is playing it might not be top 75.
2016 is better. Howard is a stud, Hauser might become one.
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Really a big deal to me. Hope we bring him in.
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If we can add Froling plus the three forwards we have coming in next year we will be fine in Wojo's fifth year when we can accurately judge if MU should keep him - or not....
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Wojo's recruits:
2015
Henry Ellenson (in the NBA)
Haanif Cheatham (leading returning scorer from last year; sophomore slump)
Traci Carter (Transferred out, because of a Freshman phenom see below)
Sacar Anim (Redshirt)
Matt Heldt (serviceable backup; promising future)
2016
Sam Hauser (one of best BE freshman)
Markus Howard (one of nations best freshman)
Recruiting is great. Preparing is fine. Execution has been a problem, but not surprising based on our best players being young.
OK, I stand corrected on the recruiting point. On the others come on.....I am really not a Wojo hater but at this point I see him as a bit of a one trick pony, his trick being recruiting. I don't mean to belittle his recruiting it has been awesome, but you can't say prep is fine when we continue to look like absolute crap on defense. Execution is a little more nuanced but still not up to snuff and I think ultimately is on Wojo. I am not ready to give up on Wojo but I need to see some toughness and some grit. If he can put 6 or 7 McDonald's all Americans on the team and we can out talent teams like Duke does, great but I don't see that happening. I think a little more grit would be good.
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OK, I stand corrected on the recruiting point. On the others come on.....I am really not a Wojo hater but at this point I see him as a bit of a one trick pony, his trick being recruiting. I don't mean to belittle his recruiting it has been awesome, but you can't say prep is fine when we continue to look like absolute crap on defense. Execution is a little more nuanced but still not up to snuff and I think ultimately is on Wojo. I am not ready to give up on Wojo but I need to see some toughness and some grit. If he can put 6 or 7 McDonald's all Americans on the team and we can out talent teams like Duke does, great but I don't see that happening. I think a little more grit would be good.
I don't think MU is going to get 6 or 7 Burger boys, since they only had two in last like 30 years. Yet Kentucky just got a commitment from another five star, making a total of five probably Burger boys for next year. Whole different ballgame.
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Really a big deal to me. Hope we bring him in.
Jay Bee,
Have you seen him a lot? What are your thoughts? Could he play the 5?
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MU will be playing Wed night at the Big East Tourney AGAIN. I always like seeing 1 win! Then Thursday night they score 18 pts in the 2nd half. Wojo is killing it!
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MU will be playing Wed night at the Big East Tourney AGAIN. I always like seeing 1 win! Then Thursday night they score 18 pts in the 2nd half. Wojo is killing it!
Based on losing on the road to the defending national champions and #1 team in the country? Okay.
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I'm not gonna get after Wojo, because I don't know how you stop that team when they're hitting like that. Can't zone 'em. Can't pack in the defense. They tried to run them off the three point line but the rotations and ball movement were impeccable.
MU has to do a better job of closing out without selling out. Got beat off the bounce a bunch after poor closeouts.
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Villanova was just quicker all over the court. And they were hitting shots. Tough to beat the #1 team when they're playing like that.
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I don't think MU is going to get 6 or 7 Burger boys, since they only had two in last like 30 years. Yet Kentucky just got a commitment from another five star, making a total of five probably Burger boys for next year. Whole different ballgame.
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I agree and that is my point.
MU is never going to be Duke or KU so how can MU compete? I am not a professional coach, but from where I sit we will be mired in the 6-8 spot in the BE unless MU squads get a lot tougher. You can challenge these kids and I think to some extent they respond. No practice gear just white T's and blue shorts the rest of the year?
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Wojo's recruits:
2015
Henry Ellenson (in the NBA)
Haanif Cheatham (leading returning scorer from last year; sophomore slump)
Traci Carter (Transferred out, because of a Freshman phenom see below)
Sacar Anim (Redshirt)
Matt Heldt (serviceable backup; promising future)
2016
Sam Hauser (one of best BE freshman)
Markus Howard (one of nations best freshman)
Recruiting is great. Preparing is fine. Execution has been a problem, but not surprising based on our best players being young.
Defensive prep has been fine?
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Based on losing on the road to the defending national champions and #1 team in the country? Okay.
OK stop with Nova is number 1. Do YOU really believe that they will be #1 at the end of this week or of the season? Did that team look like they will repeat as Nat'l Champs? Or did MU look really crappy? Nova is good, but This effort was a dumpster fire by MU. We're worse off then Nova is good. Our best players are 17-18.
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The problem with the defense is primarily due to lack of size. There isn't much that you can do with this group, especially when JJJ is in foul trouble and Duane is hurt.
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OK stop with Nova is number 1. Do YOU really believe that they will be #1 at the end of this week or of the season? Did that team look like they will repeat as Nat'l Champs? Or did MU look really crappy? Nova is good, but This effort was a dumpster fire by MU. We're worse off then Nova is good. Our best players are 17-18.
Nova is as good as any team in college basketball.
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Defensive prep has been fine?
Our offensive prep has been stellar; our defensive prep poor. That pretty much averages out to fine.
And our defensive prep was decent against Georgetown and Seton Hall. Nova is the #1 team and defending national champion. Our defense was bad, but not sure if you can blame that on prep...defensive prep has been improving as the season went on, so I'll reserve judgement there as it is the most difficult to develop and requires experience in the system. Since we have had our roster in flux so much, it makes execution very hard.
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Nova is as good as any team in college basketball.
You may be right. But I don't see it
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MU will be playing Wed night at the Big East Tourney AGAIN. I always like seeing 1 win! Then Thursday night they score 18 pts in the 2nd half. Wojo is killing it!
How much do you want to bet?
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The problem with the defense is primarily due to lack of size.
I disagree. It is lateral quickness, strength in some cases and understanding how to play as a cohesive unit (switches, etc). We constantly are chasing on defense which has nothing to do with height.
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I disagree. It is lateral quickness, strength in some cases and understanding how to play as a cohesive unit (switches, etc). We constantly are chasing on defense which has nothing to do with height.
Nah. If they had more height they could be more effective on the perimeter.
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Nova's seniors have never lost 2 games in a row.
Their average margin of victory in games after a loss is 18.5.
There was one loss by 9. One by 3. 3 by 20+ and 2 more by 30+.
Wright knows how to use a loss to inspire good play.
Wouldn't that mean anyone on nova has never lost 2 in a row.
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Jay Bee,
Have you seen him a lot? What are your thoughts? Could he play the 5?
Super ignorant when it comes to him. Like the size, experience, possibilities. Yes to the 5. Based on the experience level of our bigs next year, as of today, important in that it gives us another who potentially can help in good ways... but I absolutely cannot vouch for him like I could with Markus and others.
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We just got embarrassed. Out hustled, outplayed, out coached....but I just see a lot of excuses in this thread. No one expected to win, but most of us expected a competitive effort. There is no excuse for lack of senior leadership, a senior center who goes back-to-back games without a single defensive rebound, players on the opposing team wide open on the perimeter possession after possession, etc. Howard and Hauser were great though. I hope the players are at least maximizing the academic end of their scholarship.
Excuses are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they're all full of scheiße.
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We just got embarrassed. Out hustled, outplayed, out coached....but I just see a lot of excuses in this thread. No one expected to win, but most of us expected a competitive effort. There is no excuse for lack of senior leadership, a senior center who goes back-to-back games without a single defensive rebound, players on the opposing team wide open on the perimeter possession after possession, etc. Howard and Hauser were great though. I hope the players are at least maximizing the academic end of their scholarship.
Excuses are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they're all full of scheiße.
Jeez...get a grip.
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Excuses are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they're all full of scheiße.
So are opinions. where the original quote came from. The seniors on this team are Buzz recruits. The two freshman you refer to are Wojo recruits.
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So are opinions. where the original quote came from. The seniors on this team are Buzz recruits. The two freshman you refer to are Wojo recruits.
To be fair at this point the coach has decided to keep or recruit over most guys on the current roster. So regardless of who brought them in, they are on the team (unlike others recruited by the prior coach).
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The loss to Seton Hall still bugs me much more than tonight. If we lay a turd at home in the next game we have a problem.
Forget about this one, have a beverage or two, and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
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Super ignorant when it comes to him. Like the size, experience, possibilities. Yes to the 5. Based on the experience level of our bigs next year, as of today, important in that it gives us another who potentially can help in good ways... but I absolutely cannot vouch for him like I could with Markus and others.
This is not much of an educated opinion. I watched about 15 minutes of 2 SMU games on Youtube to get a feel for his game and abilities.
Average athlete for his size. Not a big shotblocker. Seems to play more 6-9 than 6-11. Has a good understanding of basic defense and boxing out on the boards.Talks on defense. Moves his feet pretty well on defense. Has good shooting form out to 3. I think the best part of his game I saw in the 2 games was his ability to pass the ball out of the post and from the top of the key. Doesn't force things outside of taking a quick 3 from a pick and pop, which isn't really a force with his shooting form. Runs the floor Ok. Posts up very well and seals off the defender if he's fronted. I feel he has a pretty high basketball IQ that could mesh well with Howard, Hauser and Cheatham going forward. He can put the ball on the floor and does it within his abilities. Won't go one on one, but will use it well in the half court and even did it on the wing on a fastbreak in one video.
Now this is the important thing that could really improve his game. He was probably carrying 15-20 more pounds than I think he'll play at next year if he works with Todd Smith. This could change his ability to jump better, move down the court better and with everything else. If he was 265 when I watched, he could be at 245 and be a good player.
Just my opinion.
Last thing. The other player on the SMU team from Australia also left SMU. Froling had 11 points and 6 rebounds in 18 minutes on 5-5 shooting in early December and in the next game, saw 12 minutes of action. He didn't play another game for SMU.
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About the only good thing is that we didn't lose by 40+ to Villanova like Oklahoma did in last year's Final Four. And the fact that it counts for a single loss — just like any other. Next game.
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On schedule, not ahead of it.
Preseason I had us starting 2-6 in the Big East. If we beat Seton Hall and Depaul we will likely start 3-5.
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We just got embarrassed. Out hustled, outplayed, out coached....but I just see a lot of excuses in this thread. No one expected to win, but most of us expected a competitive effort.
Marquette lost by 12, exactly what KenPom predicted we'd lose by. Yes, we got outplayed — by the defending national champion on their home floor, following their first loss of the season. No excuses. Just the facts.
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Watching right now. Nova is tremendous. We look like a bubble team having a bit of an off night. I learned little from this game. We'll be 3-2 in conference a week from tonight. Chill.
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Marquette lost by 12, exactly what KenPom predicted we'd lose by. Yes, we got outplayed — by the defending national champion on their home floor, following their first loss of the season. No excuses. Just the facts.
We only lost by 12 because of garbage time. We really lost by like 25.
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We only lost by 12 because of garbage time. We really lost by like 25.
Not really. They drained bunch of 3s against their starters. Inconsequential, yes, but not gimmies. This team can score 10 in a blink of eye. That's what happened down the stretch. Again, bubble team with inconsistent defense and questionable leadership. A lock if they can improve on those over the next month. Offense is pretty darn good.
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We just got embarrassed. Out hustled, outplayed, out coached....but I just see a lot of excuses in this thread. No one expected to win, but most of us expected a competitive effort. There is no excuse for lack of senior leadership, a senior center who goes back-to-back games without a single defensive rebound, players on the opposing team wide open on the perimeter possession after possession, etc. Howard and Hauser were great though. I hope the players are at least maximizing the academic end of their scholarship.
Excuses are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they're all full of scheiße.
I'm just looking forward to next year when folks can stop blaming Buzz for Wojo's mediocre results. And I'm not even a Buzz fan. Time for some accountability.
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And they hit 14 threes. Team was better w Luke on the bench tonight.
Bingo! Great Players make teammates better, Luke's defense makes everyone worse. He tries to switch and stay with the guard on high pick & rolls as his man rolls to the basket unguarded. Hauser has to pick up Luke's man and leave his man wide open at the 3 Pt line. What a mess, and the coach watches this happen every game.
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The sun is probably going to come up today.
Villanova is one of the best teams in the country.
Playing at home.
After their first loss of the year.
MU was dressing 8.
And has defensive problems all year.
There is no way that MU was ever going to win this game.
Positives: A leader is emerging.
Negative: He is 17 years old. And he has to because the seniors aren't leading.
Positive: He could be around 3.5 more years.
Positive: Cheatham made a 3.
Negative: It may have been an accident.
Positive: KR hit some 3's.
Positive: Heldt worked his buttocks off.
Negative: Luke hasn't gotten quicker.
Negative: JJ disappeared against a good team.
Positive: Hauser continues to compete and compete well. His 3 pt % is dropping, but that is to be expected as more teams work to run him off of the line.
It is going to be OK. MU is 0-2 on the road in conference. This one doesn't hurt or surprise me. This was an inevitable butt kicking. And now it is over and the young guys now know what they are working to get to. As an aside, I almost wish Ners was around right now to see if he would still be defending JjJ, or if he would be arguing that the minutes need to go to younger players instead of a non-productive senior.
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Preseason I had us starting 2-6 in the Big East. If we beat Seton Hall and Depaul we will likely start 3-5.
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Only "coaching" problem I had last night was the zone. Way too many open looks at the rim and on the arch. Way too many offensive rebounds. With the first half turnovers, there is no way we were going to win giving them all of the extra possessions.
Nova is/was way better. Brunson, Jenkins and Hart all hit really tough shots throughout the game. Tough game to win anyway. The Big East season has gone pretty much how I expected as well. The only problem I see is that St. John's may be better and not so much of a gimme road game. However, Georgetown could be a winnable road game now.
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Nova reminds me alot of Al's teams. Very quick, smart, good shootas, and just flat out wear ya down, ai na?
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We only lost by 12 because of garbage time. We really lost by like 25.
Yep, exactly. Game was over 3 min into the second half.
Nonetheless I liked seeing the guys fighting till the end which is why we "only lost by 12."
I also liked that Wojo called them out for lacking competitiveness and then shouldered the blame. That is what good coaches do.
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Yep, exactly. Game was over 3 min into the second half.
Nonetheless I liked seeing the guys fighting till the end which is why we "only lost by 12."
I also liked that Wojo called them out for lacking competitiveness and then shouldered the blame. That is what good coaches do.
Matty V's article was very good and I think reflects some of the frustration on the board. This year we can still make the NIT and if we catch lightening in a bottle maybe sneak into the NCAA (getting less likely). I hope we see the team that played SH & G-Town well this week.
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Jeez...get a grip.
Ok smart guy, without being condescending, please explain what, from last night's game (besides the obvious that MH is a stud), gives you hope that MU basketball is going to improve in the future? Is it unreasonable to expect to finish in the top half of the conference?
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Bingo! Great Players make teammates better, Luke's defense makes everyone worse. He tries to switch and stay with the guard on high pick & rolls as his man rolls to the basket unguarded. Hauser has to pick up Luke's man and leave his man wide open at the 3 Pt line. What a mess, and the coach watches this happen every game.
The reason Luke does not get a rebound is that he is running around outside and getting out of position. Do not like the double teaming program Wojo installed.
The problem for Luke is the other players are not quick enough to stay in front of there players. Rowsey to small, Hauser not quick enough nor have the ability to
block a shot, Reinhardt is not a physical player, he is guard and really Cheatham and JJJ are guards as well. No muscle, or toughness except maybe
Heldt. If he was asked to play 30 minutes, he probably at best make 15 and foul out. The roster has a way to go. Need to beat Hall and DePaul and really there
is no guarantee on that. Even DePaul as some athletes.
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Matty V's article was very good and I think reflects some of the frustration on the board. This year we can still make the NIT and if we catch lightening in a bottle maybe sneak into the NCAA (getting less likely). I hope we see the team that played SH & G-Town well this week.
Me too. I really hope we can sneak into ncaas. It's been forever since we were there.
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Ok smart guy, without being condescending, please explain what, from last night's game (besides the obvious that MH is a stud), gives you hope that MU basketball is going to improve in the future? Is it unreasonable to expect to finish in the top half of the conference?
Because we have young talent. And don't tell me I can't mention the obvious.
After the last two games, you have come on here just ranting and raving. I'm going to be condescending if that is all you come to do.
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We only lost by 12 because of garbage time. We really lost by like 25.
No, we really lost by 12. The final score was 93-81. That's a 12-point loss.
Yes, we got beat badly and never really threatened Villanova. But nobody keeps track of what the lost felt or looked like. It's the actual score that counts.
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Because we have young talent. And don't tell me I can't mention the obvious.
After the last two games, you have come on here just ranting and raving. I'm going to be condescending if that is all you come to do.
You have been using a condescending tone to a lot of people on this board, not just me. We all see the young talent and are excited about it. I am sick of people coming up with excuses for why we are losing so atrociously. Excuses are for losers.
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You have been using a condescending tone to a lot of people on this board, not just me. We all see the young talent and are excited about it. I am sick of people coming up with excuses for why we are losing so atrociously. Excuses are for losers.
So are cliches.
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So are cliches.
Wrong
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Wrong
"Excuses are for losers" is a cliche.
There are *reasons* why basketball teams lose. Many times those *reasons* are legitimate. If you can't figure that out, I will continue to be condescending.
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"Excuses are for losers" is a cliche.
There are *reasons* why basketball teams lose. Many times those *reasons* are legitimate. If you can't figure that out, I will continue to be condescending.
Wrong. If people continue to make excuses for why we lost, then we will not grow from it by focusing on what actually is wrong. There are many reasons why teams lose but there is NEVER an excuse for why a team should be blown out. NEVER.
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Wrong. If people continue to make excuses for why we lost, then we will not grow from it by focusing on what actually is wrong. There are many reasons why teams lose but there is NEVER an excuse for why a team should be blown out. NEVER.
LOL. There is nothing that Scoop can do to make Marquette basketball better on the court. So I don't know why you are talking like we can help them grow.
And there is nothing fundamentally different than stating reasons why they lost and "focusing on what is wrong." It's the same damn thing.
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Ok smart guy, without being condescending, please explain what, from last night's game (besides the obvious that MH is a stud), gives you hope that MU basketball is going to improve in the future? Is it unreasonable to expect to finish in the top half of the conference?
Unreasonable no but also a stretch goal. Every year the team changes and new pieces have to come together. You can't trade for an starter or find a stud in free agency. It takes time to turn over the roster so playin time becomes available to players.
I like JJJ but he is a two dimensional player. Defensive steals for faster break points and curl right for a jumper or drive to the hole. Better teams like Nova will expose that and JJJ will struggle and we get a game like last night. Could a light come on and he flips a switch? Sure but right now he hasn't so expectations are set on what he has done.
Fisher struggles defensive with foot speed which causes issues for everyone else but he is also our real only big other the Heldt, who needs to get his body under control and figure out his offense. Again past performance indicates Luke isn't going to get faster.
We lost our best player to the NBA last year but got better in other areas with Howard and Hauser.
My expectations for this year and every year are we should be better than the year before. I measure Wojo on that and so far he has done that. If that changes my opinion of Wojo will change. Based on recruiting and coaching, I think Wojo is going in the right direction. Could he use Buzz's or Al's personality? Absolutely but I think people judge him more by this and him being ex-Duke than other areas.
What gets me excited for the future is who our best players are today. Young. Howard, Hauser, and even Cheatum are at the top. I expect Howard, Hauser and Cheatum to be a better foundation then Luke, Wilson, and JJJ. Now Cheatum needs to develop his driving ability to more than left hand out of control to the hole.
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Unreasonable no but also a stretch goal. Every year the team changes and new pieces have to come together. You can't trade for an starter or find a stud in free agency. It takes time to turn over the roster so playin time becomes available to players.
I like JJJ but he is a two dimensional player. Defensive steals for faster break points and curl right for a jumper or drive to the hole. Better teams like Nova will expose that and JJJ will struggle and we get a game like last night. Could a light come on and he flips a switch? Sure but right now he hasn't so expectations are set on what he has done.
Fisher struggles defensive with foot speed which causes issues for everyone else but he is also our real only big other the Heldt, who needs to get his body under control and figure out his offense. Again past performance indicates Luke isn't going to get faster.
We lost our best player to the NBA last year but got better in other areas with Howard and Hauser.
My expectations for this year and every year are we should be better than the year before. I measure Wojo on that and so far he has done that. If that changes my opinion of Wojo will change. Based on recruiting and coaching, I think Wojo is going in the right direction. Could he use Buzz's or Al's personality? Absolutely but I think people judge him more by this and him being ex-Duke than other areas.
What gets me excited for the future is who our best players are today. Young. Howard, Hauser, and even Cheatum are at the top. I expect Howard, Hauser and Cheatum to be a better foundation then Luke, Wilson, and JJJ. Now Cheatum needs to develop his driving ability to more than left hand out of control to the hole.
Fair enough. I agree with you that our young players will provide a strong foundation going forward. Would love to see Cheets work more on his driving to the right....he could be very potent. Two years from now, we will probably be on the other side of it.
I like how (unlike certain posters) Wojo did not give a litany of excuses after this loss; he acknowledged a lack of competitiveness from most of the team and took the blame for that. He's a winner.
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LOL. There is nothing that Scoop can do to make Marquette basketball better on the court. So I don't know why you are talking like we can help them grow.
And there is nothing fundamentally different than stating reasons why they lost and "focusing on what is wrong." It's the same damn thing.
LOL. Because I really expected Scoop to go work with players.
There are differences. For example, some people said that we lost because Nova is the defending National Chmapion and number 1 team in the country. Horrible excuse. There is nothing MU can do to address that.
We all expected to lose but did anyone truly expect to lose the way we did? I didn't. Maybe if we were a D3 team one could expect that type of performance. Even DePaul, who we all think we are superior to, managed to play a competitive game with them. LOL.
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LOL. Because I really expected Scoop to go work with players.
There are differences. For example, some people said that we lost because Nova is the defending National Chmapion and number 1 team in the country. Horrible excuse. There is nothing MU can do to address that.
We all expected to lose but did anyone truly expect to lose the way we did? I didn't. Maybe if we were a D3 team one could expect that type of performance. Even DePaul, who we all think we are superior to, managed to play a competitive game with them. LOL.
Right. Because if there is one sure thing it sports, it's the transitive property.
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We all expected to lose but did anyone truly expect to lose the way we did? I didn't. Maybe if we were a D3 team one could expect that type of performance. Even DePaul, who we all think we are superior to, managed to play a competitive game with them. LOL.
I was not expecting this to be close nor was Vegas. I thought going into the season MU would lose two to Nova by a lot. I expect the same with Xavier. Butler won't be as bad but I expect to lose both. I was hoping MU avoids bad losses and picks a few outliers. Based on last year, I thought Seton Hall would be better and I didn't think Georgetown would be as bad as they are. I projected MU to be around 8 to 9 Big East wins.
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LOL. Because I really expected Scoop to go work with players.
There are differences. For example, some people said that we lost because Nova is the defending National Chmapion and number 1 team in the country. Horrible excuse. There is nothing MU can do to address that.
We all expected to lose but did anyone truly expect to lose the way we did? I didn't. Maybe if we were a D3 team one could expect that type of performance. Even DePaul, who we all think we are superior to, managed to play a competitive game with them. LOL.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400873214
National semi-final game last year. Look at the shooting percentages and 5 of the 8 rotation players return to play last night.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400919662
First conference game THIS year and at Omaha.
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Ran the numbers. Four factors were just weird to look at. Marquette's line is one that you would have expect to result in a win:
eFG%: 52.4% (a little below our season eFG% of 56.4%)
TO%: 18.4% (a little above our season TO% of 17.1%)
OR% 48.6% (absurdly high, best of the season by almost 10%)
FTR: 27% (a little below our season FTR of 29.5%)
Nova's four factors were absurd:
eFG%: 79.6%
TO%: 20.2%
OR%: 40%
FTR: 44.9%
It's not hard to see where the issues were. Defense is the main culprit. As Dr. B pointed out, worst D rating in the modern era. Most of this is on our inability to on ball defend, but some of this is on luck too. Nova shot 23% above their season average for threes. That's a combination of poor 3PT defense and luck.
We beat them on the glass but still gave up too many offensive boards. Another two missed FTs that resulted in ORs for Nova. That needs to be fixed, cardinal sin of basketball.
The last issue were the fouls. Refs had quick whistles and didn't seem to let MU get away with anything. Nova is second to last in the Big East at drawing fouls but they were getting all the calls last night.
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Ok smart guy, without being condescending, please explain what, from last night's game (besides the obvious that MH is a stud), gives you hope that MU basketball is going to improve in the future? Is it unreasonable to expect to finish in the top half of the conference?
52.4% eFG% against a top 10 defense.
48.6% OR%, best of the Wojo era.
The youngings are better than the seniors, projects well for future growth
In a game where Nova was going off, Hart was pretty much his average. Cheatham's strong defensive streak continued.
Despite getting down big, the players responded and fought back hard. Cut it to 12 by the end. Yes it was still a blow out but Nova never pulled their starters....which was interesting.
27% FTR against a team in the top 10 in the country at not committing fouls.
I liked seeing firey Wojo, getting the T and demanding better play
Nova is a very good team. Clearly much better than Marquette. That's a reality. Sometimes when you play a very good team, you get your butt handed to you. Not an excuse, just a thing that happens. Hell, it sometimes happens against not so good teams, Buzz just got his rear end roasted much worse by an NC State team that is vastly inferior to Nova. This blow out doesn't change our postseason chances anymore than a close loss would have. In fact, because we covered, our KenPom rating is likely going to go up! We could come out against Seton Hall and run them out of the gym. Let's see how our guys respond.
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Despite getting down big, the players responded and fought back hard. Cut it to 12 by the end. Yes it was still a blow out but Nova never pulled their starters....which was interesting.
Notable too, that 81 pts is the most Nova has given up this year. They've played some good offensive teams (@ #15 Purdue, @ #10 Creighton) and gave up less, so this is something to hang our hat on.
Just like before Georgetown, we need to tighten up defense, and things should get better (in terms of W/L).
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Nova's four factors were absurd:
eFG%: 79.6%
TO%: 20.2%
OR%: 40%
FTR: 44.9%
It's not hard to see where the issues were. Defense is the main culprit. As Dr. B pointed out, worst D rating in the modern era. Most of this is on our inability to on ball defend, but some of this is on luck too. Nova shot 23% above their season average for threes. That's a combination of poor 3PT defense and luck.
I think a lot of this what catching Nova on an incredibly hot night. They start 4 good shooters which allows them to space the floor and its almost inevitable that a team is going to give up some open 3s. That's why this offense is so effective. But last night the Nova big 4 where in a whole different universe. They shot 3s at a rate of 14-20 = 70%. To put that in perspective the same guys shot free throws at 61%. I honestly think that when something is this out of normal you've got to attribute a lot of it to luck and a hot night. By comparison when Nova played DePaul the same guys shot 27% from 3. I've watched DePaul play and I'd question if their 3 point defense is any better than MUs leave alone 3 times better. What I saw was that Nova was so hot that MU had to try to play all the shooters tighter because the 3 point barrage was just pulling the game away. It was when then that that the interior defense really started to weaken. One thing I would say was that MU's rebounding of the 3s wasn't great. On the rare time Nova would miss a 3 they almost always got the rebound and a second shot.(which of course went in). MU's biggest defense lapses where on those second chance shot where a shooter would be completely wide open but that happens when you don't get the rebound. Once our guys started to get desperate in the second half the wheels really came off but that also will happen when you try to force tempo against a great defensive team like Nova. So I'd recommend we not get too depressed about these stats and focus more on what happens when we play a team that is more at our level when everyone isn't having the night of their lives.
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52.4% eFG% against a top 10 defense.
48.6% OR%, best of the Wojo era.
The youngings are better than the seniors, projects well for future growth
In a game where Nova was going off, Hart was pretty much his average. Cheatham's strong defensive streak continued.
Despite getting down big, the players responded and fought back hard. Cut it to 12 by the end. Yes it was still a blow out but Nova never pulled their starters....which was interesting.
27% FTR against a team in the top 10 in the country at not committing fouls.
I liked seeing firey Wojo, getting the T and demanding better play
Nova is a very good team. Clearly much better than Marquette. That's a reality. Sometimes when you play a very good team, you get your butt handed to you. Not an excuse, just a thing that happens. Hell, it sometimes happens against not so good teams, Buzz just got his rear end roasted much worse by an NC State team that is vastly inferior to Nova. This blow out doesn't change our postseason chances anymore than a close loss would have. In fact, because we covered, our KenPom rating is likely going to go up! We could come out against Seton Hall and run them out of the gym. Let's see how our guys respond.
All excellent points. Would love to see this team put it together vs SHU on Wed.
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You have been using a condescending tone to a lot of people on this board, not just me. We all see the young talent and are excited about it. I am sick of people coming up with excuses for why we are losing so atrociously. Excuses are for losers.
I respect you. But to be honest, when we win games, I don't remember ever seeing you in any thread. So yes, Heisy is right. You seem to only show up after a loss.
But having said that, you're not alone. There are plenty "loss scoopers" that only show up when we lose.
Good for you!
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Notable too, that 81 pts is the most Nova has given up this year. They've played some good offensive teams (@ #15 Purdue, @ #10 Creighton) and gave up less, so this is something to hang our hat on.
While I would agree that we're a good offensive team, I think our 81 points last night were a bit deceiving. In the final 3:46 we scored 18 points, winning garbage time 18-2. Our offense (and even our defense, shudder) look better in the box score than they actually were.
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NC State was down at #14 NC by 33...AT HALFTIME. For the idiots who think it is impossible to ever get taken to the woodshed on the road to a highly ranked team...
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I respect you. But to be honest, when we win games, I don't remember ever seeing you in any thread. So yes, Heisy is right. You seem to only show up after a loss.
But having said that, you're not alone. There are plenty "loss scoopers" that only show up when we lose.
Good for you!
Thats not entirely true. I took a very long hiatus from posting on this board probably beginning around 2011 or 2012. I still viewed the board periodically and participated in game chats (using a diff name DrJ) but did not have time to post. I made my first post in a long time after the SHU loss. I haven't been given the opportunity to show up after a win since I returned, but I will.
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NC State was down at #14 NC by 33...AT HALFTIME. For the idiots who think it is impossible to ever get taken to the woodshed on the road to a highly ranked team...
Here we are, engaging in name calling, again. How rude.
It does not make someone an idiot to expect a certain level of competitiveness from the team, which was visibly absent last night. Even Wojo acknowledged that. So he must be an idiot too, if he saw the same things that some of us saw.
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Thats not entirely true. I took a very long hiatus from posting on this board probably beginning around 2011 or 2012. I still viewed the board periodically and participated in game chats (using a diff name DrJ) but did not have time to post. I made my first post in a long time after the SHU loss. I haven't been given the opportunity to show up after a win since I returned, but I will.
Very fair! I probably wasn't here back then. Didn't know about this amazing place!
I hope you get the chance to post after we beat SHU on Wednesday!
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Very fair! I probably wasn't here back then. Didn't know about this amazing place!
I hope you get the chance to post after we beat SHU on Wednesday!
Haha I would like nothing more! Let's beat the pirates!!!
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Never going to fault a team that aspires to improve to middle-of-the-pack status get taken to the woodshed by a #1 team. That is what #1 teams do. Hopefully, MU will make a better showing in the rematch, even if only in defeat.
What a team that inspires to improve its place in the pecking order cannot continue to do is lose close games to the likes of Seton Hall. If a few more of those come to pass, then MU will find itself in the bottom half of the league.
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While I would agree that we're a good offensive team, I think our 81 points last night were a bit deceiving. In the final 3:46 we scored 18 points, winning garbage time 18-2. Our offense (and even our defense, shudder) look better in the box score than they actually were.
Other teams had "garbage time" against Nova and didn't match our point total. Look at their game against Wake Forest. Nova won 96-77. At the 4 minute mark, the score was 89-75. At the the 2 minute mark it was 94-75. I'd argue the box score is 100% indicative of the actual production on the court. MU scoring 18, and limiting Nova to 2 was a good close to the game - mostly with Nova's starters in the game.
At least we agree that MU is a good offensive team. You just seem to disagree that we scored more points against Nova than any other team so far this year. hah
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Ok smart guy, without being condescending, please explain what, from last night's game (besides the obvious that MH is a stud), gives you hope that MU basketball is going to improve in the future? Is it unreasonable to expect to finish in the top half of the conference?
We averaged 1.25 points per possession last night against Villanova's defense. That's the best scoring rate against Nova since December 19, 2015 when Virginia beat them, and the most for a team playing away against Nova since January 20, 2014 when Creighton beat them behind 50 points from Wragge and McBuckets. It's been over a year since anyone played as well offensively against them as we did yesterday, and almost 3 years since anyone played as well offensively on the road against them. Our offense is excellent. This is the most efficient offense a Marquette team has had since 2003.
Is finishing in the top half unreasonable? Not at all. Sweep DePaul, St. John's, and Providence to get to 7 wins. Then get 3 more in our other 9 games against the rest of the league (4 of those at home) and we're 10-8 in league and likely in the top half. Trainwrecks like yesterday usually bring out the most negativity, but if you look objectively, there's no reason to think the season is over or sky has fallen.
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We all expected to lose but did anyone truly expect to lose the way we did? I didn't. Maybe if we were a D3 team one could expect that type of performance. Even DePaul, who we all think we are superior to, managed to play a competitive game with them. LOL.
And even Marquette, unlike DePaul, managed to stay within 1,000 points of Seton Hall.
And even Marquette, unlike Okla-effen-homa in last year's Final Four, managed to stay within a million points of Nova.
And even Marquette, unlike the Va Tech Buzzards, didn't just get throttled twice in a row - including once by an NC State team that lost by a bazillion to UNC.
I mean, what's your point here?
Nova is the defending national champion and has been the No. 1-ranked team in the country for a month. (And yet some here "just don't see" them as being all that good, which is hilarious.) They were coming off a tough loss at Butler and were returning home to face a less experienced, less talented team. They beat the snot out of said team.
Sure, I hoped we would do better ... but no, I am not the least bit surprised that our lads got the snot beat out of them on the road by a team stocked with veterans from the squad that won the national championship 8 months ago.
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We averaged 1.25 points per possession last night against Villanova's defense. That's the best scoring rate against Nova since December 19, 2015 when Virginia beat them, and the most for a team playing away against Nova since January 20, 2014 when Creighton beat them behind 50 points from Wragge and McBuckets. It's been over a year since anyone played as well offensively against them as we did yesterday, and almost 3 years since anyone played as well offensively on the road against them. Our offense is excellent. This is the most efficient offense a Marquette team has had since 2003.
Is finishing in the top half unreasonable? Not at all. Sweep DePaul, St. John's, and Providence to get to 7 wins. Then get 3 more in our other 9 games against the rest of the league (4 of those at home) and we're 10-8 in league and likely in the top half. Trainwrecks like yesterday usually bring out the most negativity, but if you look objectively, there's no reason to think the season is over or sky has fallen.
Good points, Brew. Our offense definitely is much improved compared to recent years! I hope you are right about being able to attain a 10-8 league record. I would be happy with that. I hope we see more of a commitment to defense in the next few games (our defense vs SHU was actually quite good for the most part).
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I'm sorry but could you please explain to me what coaching errors you saw tonight that would require Wojo to give up his paycheck? What I saw were two teams at vastly different talent levels, not a team that was masterfully coached and one where the coaching was abysmal.
I did not think Wojo coaching was bad in the game. However, Villanova's offense so much efficiently run. That is part coaching, part player's experience, part players talent and part players being coachable. I am not sure were JJJ and Cheatham fall in those catorgories, but I thought they both hurt MU more last night than Fischer did. Fischer was kind of non-existant, but no one was trying to get the ball to him. The last few games the typical Cheatham play is a drive to the basket with a huge spin move to throw up an out of control shot. JJJ at least has the ability to passed the ball off on his drives, wich gives him a lot of assists, but it also results in a lot of turnovers. Both are so predictiable that neither of them draw a lot of fouls.
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Here we are, engaging in name calling, again. How rude.
It does not make someone an idiot to expect a certain level of competitiveness from the team, which was visibly absent last night. Even Wojo acknowledged that. So he must be an idiot too, if he saw the same things that some of us saw.
Well, I wasn't specifically referring to one person, but if someone repeatedly says idiotic things I am going to point out that they are repeatedly saying idiotic things.
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I said yesterday on Twitter and still fully believe that we could beat this Villanova team on the right day. Yesterday wasn't it, but we can shoot with them. We can score with them. Yes, they made us look absolutely silly at times yesterday, but shooting 60.9% from three? I wonder if 'Nova would've done that in an empty gym. Seriously, as bad as our defense was, their offense performed way over expectations.
And yes, the 12-point loss wasn't indicative of how one-sided it was at times, but they had their starters in until the final minute and we did close the game on a 23-5 run over the last 6 minutes against those starters.
It was a bad game, but it was still just one game. Had we lost it by 12, 30, or on a buzzer-beating three, the end result is the same. Move on and bear in mind that our next two games at home are far more winnable than that one ever was.
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eFG% reigns supreme, a'''ina?
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Other teams had "garbage time" against Nova and didn't match our point total. Look at their game against Wake Forest. Nova won 96-77. At the 4 minute mark, the score was 89-75. At the the 2 minute mark it was 94-75. I'd argue the box score is 100% indicative of the actual production on the court. MU scoring 18, and limiting Nova to 2 was a good close to the game - mostly with Nova's starters in the game.
At least we agree that MU is a good offensive team. You just seem to disagree that we scored more points against Nova than any other team so far this year. hah
Actually we agree that MU is a good offensive team AND that we scored more points against Nova than any other team this year.
What we disagree about is the relevance of our 18-2 run in the final 3:46 that cut a 28 point lead to a 12 point loss. Had we been trailing by 16 or 10 or 4 or tied or up 2 I don't think we close with that kind of run. I think Nova would have been more focused and tried harder. And I think garbage time when a team is down 28 is different than when the margin is 14.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm glad our guys played to the final whistle. Showed character.
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I think Wright is an outstanding coach. (I know he's tickled to have my endorsement.)
But am I the only one who thought it odd that he kept his starters in for almost the entire game? If Brunson or Hart had suffered a season-ending injury during garbage time, Wojo would not have been the coach getting criticized.
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I think Wright is an outstanding coach. (I know he's tickled to have my endorsement.)
But am I the only one who thought it odd that he kept his starters in for almost the entire game? If Brunson or Hart had suffered a season-ending injury during garbage time, Wojo would not have been the coach getting criticized.
I was questioning that too. Respect for our ability to score in the blink of an eye? Trying to keep his guys fresh? Or bad blood between Wojo and Wright?
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I was questioning that too. Respect for our ability to score in the blink of an eye? Trying to keep his guys fresh? Or bad blood between Wojo and Wright?
I think it was out of respect for our ability to score in the blink of an eye. Hell, against the starters we got hot, and they cooled a bit and we closed it to 12 in a hurry.
Now their starters lost some focus at the end, but they are more focused/abled than the walk-ons. You don't want to pull the starters, have us drill 5-threes in a row and then have to bring back in unfocused and now cold starters.
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MU needs to play as a team..especially the seniors Luke isnt doing anything out there
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I think it was out of respect for our ability to score in the blink of an eye. Hell, against the starters we got hot, and they cooled a bit and we closed it to 12 in a hurry.
Now their starters lost some focus at the end, but they are more focused/abled than the walk-ons. You don't want to pull the starters, have us drill 5-threes in a row and then have to bring back in unfocused and now cold starters.
Indeed, many coaches have the attitude, "I'll take out my top players when he takes out his." And because we don't have a bench to speak of, that option wasn't there for either Wojo or Wright.
Still ...
Nova did have a 23-point lead with less than 2 minutes to go.
Maybe Wright had a few bucks on that 12-point spread!
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Actually we agree that MU is a good offensive team AND that we scored more points against Nova than any other team this year.
What we disagree about is the relevance of our 18-2 run in the final 3:46 that cut a 28 point lead to a 12 point loss. Had we been trailing by 16 or 10 or 4 or tied or up 2 I don't think we close with that kind of run. I think Nova would have been more focused and tried harder. And I think garbage time when a team is down 28 is different than when the margin is 14.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm glad our guys played to the final whistle. Showed character.
I think it is very relevant for two major reasons
1. It shows heart. A lot of teams would have shut it down and lost by more than 30 or kept it in the 20s. They were able to practices scenarios. 16 point swing over a 4 minute stretch is very good.
2. Most prognosticators, selection committee members, and analysts don't watch every game so to say well MU only lost by 12 to the number team in the country is different than MU lost by 28. Losing by 28 to Nova moves into the Bad Losses category.
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Nova 79, X 54.
Another crappy team falls in Philly to overrated Nova.
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Nova 79, X 54.
Another crappy team falls in Philly to overrated Nova.
Exactly my thoughts. X NEEDS to fire their coach! Also their seniors need to graduate immediately.
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Chris Mack has NEVER beaten Duke, Kentucky, or NC. FIRW HIM!~
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Man. Nova held Xavier to 29% shooting from the floor. That's gotta be close to a record low for a Chris Mack team.
Even worse, Myles Davis actually played for X. First game for them at full strength. Davis went 0/5 with a rebound and a turnover in 13 minutes. I expected a little rust from him but not that.
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Man. Nova held Xavier to 29% shooting from the floor. That's gotta be close to a record low for a Chris Mack team.
Gotta fire Mack. He's a looser who cant win their.