Unfortunately,
The Pittsburgh and now Seton Hall games will undoubtedly come back to haunt this team and keep our seniors from tasting the NCAA tournament during their careers. Jujuan n Fischer in 40 years of watching MU basketball have been near the very top of most frustrating players I have ever witnessed. Luke's missed dunk and zero defensive rebounds and jujuans drive n no look pass to no one summed up their careers to a degree. It's frustrating to have more confidence in our underclassmen to make the right play than those two. Jujuan goes into mental funks and luke all too often stands n watches.
Still hoping these two can turn it around on the court, however, sometimes retaining hope only makes it harder.
Give me a break. They're both good players. Not perfect.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 02, 2017, 02:05:30 PMThe Pittsburgh and now Seton Hall games will undoubtedly come back to haunt this team and keep our seniors from tasting the NCAA tournament during their careers.
So, season over, NCAA chances done for — 2 games and 1 loss into the Big East conference schedule? Undoubtedly. I'm sure Marquette will soon announce that it's forfeiting the rest of its games. Why bother?
Terrible post.
Doomed! We're doomed, I say!!!!
And everyone here definitely thought we were going to be 1-1 after this week, anyways. Losing isn't an issue. It just hurts more because we had it.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 02, 2017, 02:41:19 PM
And everyone here definitely thought we were going to be 1-1 after this week, anyways. Losing isn't an issue. It just hurts more because we had it.
100% agree. I thought we would be 1-1.
Was stoked to be 2-0.
Still happy to be 1-1.
But I can tell you who are really pissed to be 1-1. The players and Wojo. They will learn from this.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 02, 2017, 02:05:30 PM
Unfortunately,
The Pittsburgh and now Seton Hall games will undoubtedly come back to haunt this team and keep our seniors from tasting the NCAA tournament during their careers. Jujuan n Fischer in 40 years of watching MU basketball have been near the very top of most frustrating players I have ever witnessed. Luke's missed dunk and zero defensive rebounds and jujuans drive n no look pass to no one summed up their careers to a degree. It's frustrating to have more confidence in our underclassmen to make the right play than those two. Jujuan goes into mental funks and luke all too often stands n watches.
Still hoping these two can turn it around on the court, however, sometimes retaining hope only makes it harder.
Nah. Just got to win 9 of our next 16. Very doable.
Quote from: fjm on January 02, 2017, 02:50:10 PM
100% agree. I thought we would be 1-1.
Was stoked to be 2-0.
Still happy to be 1-1.
But I can tell you who are really pissed to be 1-1. The players and Wojo. They will learn from this.
Nah. According to some yahoos in other threads, the seniors don't even care and are fine with losing.
Come on guys long season the way we shoot we wil win some big games .
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 02, 2017, 02:05:30 PM
Unfortunately,
The Pittsburgh and now Seton Hall games will undoubtedly come back to haunt this team and keep our seniors from tasting the NCAA tournament during their careers. Jujuan n Fischer in 40 years of watching MU basketball have been near the very top of most frustrating players I have ever witnessed. Luke's missed dunk and zero defensive rebounds and jujuans drive n no look pass to no one summed up their careers to a degree. It's frustrating to have more confidence in our underclassmen to make the right play than those two. Jujuan goes into mental funks and luke all too often stands n watches.
Still hoping these two can turn it around on the court, however, sometimes retaining hope only makes it harder.
Hopefully, you're this short-sighted when it comes to real issues in life. You deserve nothing.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 02, 2017, 02:59:50 PM
Nah. Just got to win 9 of our next 16. Very doable.
I think it'll have to be more then 9 of the next 16. Unless you have a nova and Creighton win in there. 19-11 seems like a stretch to make it.
Disagree. 10-8 is damn near a lock in this league this year.
Let's support the team. It was a disappointing loss. Move on, the season is still in the balance.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on January 02, 2017, 07:53:14 PM
I think it'll have to be more then 9 of the next 16. Unless you have a nova and Creighton win in there. 19-11 seems like a stretch to make it.
Ran RPI Wizard. If we go 19-11 with us getting the 9 most likely wins (Hall, Depaul, Providence, @SJU, @Depaul, Butler, Xavier, SJU, @Providence) gets us an RPI of 48 and SOS of 46. While it is theoretically possible that we could be left out, I would be shocked. This is also before the BET. Get a win or two there and it solidifies our resume even more...provided we don't lose to St. John's (Drops us to 55 RPI 48 SOS) or Depaul (drops us to 55 RPI 50 SOS). Even then, we still have a decent shot.
Our non-con is much better than last season. The Big East is stronger this season. 19 wins should do it.
I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone, but it would have been far more frustrating to me if I thought we actually had a chance to make the NCAA's this year. As I see it we're just not a tournament team. We can deny it all we want, keep the faith and say the Pitt/SH games are going to come back to haunt us but deep down I know it's not going to happen for probably another 3 years. We're just flat out not that good. Call me a pessimist if you like but that's my take. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong but I just don't see it and unfortunately have to side with the so called experts who picked us to finish 7th this year. With St. John's and DePaul rising, even that might be optimistic. I'm still in WOJO's camp and believe strongly we're headed in the right direction, but his turnaround is going to take much more time than we'd all like unfortunately.
Quote from: Disco Hippie on January 02, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone, but it would have been far more frustrating to me if I thought we actually had a chance to make the NCAA's this year. As I see it we're just not a tournament team. We can deny it all we want, keep the faith and say the Pitt/SH games are going to come back to haunt us but deep down I know it's not going to happen for probably another 3 years. We're just flat out not that good. Call me a pessimist if you like but that's my take. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong but I just don't see it and unfortunately have to side with the so called experts who picked us to finish 7th this year. With St. John's and DePaul rising, even that might be optimistic. I'm still in WOJO's camp and believe strongly we're headed in the right direction, but his turnaround is going to take much more time than we'd all like unfortunately.
We are 36th in Kenpom. That's 5th in the conference. Significantly ahead of PC, SJU, and DP. Ahead of SHU and Georgetown by a significant margin.
Could we finish 7th or worse? Sure. Personally, I'd be shocked if we finished lower than 6th.
We will probably get off to a 3-5 start in league with a difficult schedule (worst case 2-6). However, we have 8 winnable games in a row after that. This team is way better than you think.
Seton Hall is also a terrible matchup for us. Has been the past few years. That being said, Marquette should have had that game, no excuses there but hopefully Haanif will have a resurgence and we can steal one from Nova and beat the Hall at home.
Side note, which stadium are we playing Nova at?
Quote from: Disco Hippie on January 02, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone, but it would have been far more frustrating to me if I thought we actually had a chance to make the NCAA's this year. As I see it we're just not a tournament team. We can deny it all we want, keep the faith and say the Pitt/SH games are going to come back to haunt us but deep down I know it's not going to happen for probably another 3 years. We're just flat out not that good. Call me a pessimist if you like but that's my take. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong but I just don't see it and unfortunately have to side with the so called experts who picked us to finish 7th this year. With St. John's and DePaul rising, even that might be optimistic. I'm still in WOJO's camp and believe strongly we're headed in the right direction, but his turnaround is going to take much more time than we'd all like unfortunately.
Three more years? So that's the 2019-20 season when we'll get back to the Dance? I'll take that bet. We'll be back before then.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 03, 2017, 07:35:41 AM
Three more years? So that's the 2019-20 season when we'll get back to the Dance? I'll take that bet. We'll be back before then.
Yep. That 18-19 season is shaping up to be a doozy.
Starters:
JR Howard
SR Cheatham
JR S Hauser
FR J Hauser
SR Heldt
Bench:
JR Anim
SO Cain
SO John
SO Eke
FR Bailey
That's not even including prospects like Race Thompson, Ayo Domunsu, or Courtney Ramey who we are in on and can play. A long way to go until then, so a lot could happen before then. But I think it's a pretty reasonable projection at this point.
But I think we are still in good position this season for a bid. Going 9-7 the rest of the way is not unreasonable at all.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2017, 07:24:44 AM
Seton Hall is also a terrible matchup for us. Has been the past few years. That being said, Marquette should have had that game, no excuses there but hopefully Haanif will have a resurgence and we can steal one from Nova and beat the Hall at home.
Side note, which stadium are we playing Nova at?
Wells Fargo, according to Nova's website.
Listen, I don't expect to win @Nova. They are far better than us. That said, we get them at Wells Fargo instead of The Pavilion. We get 5 days to prepare while they play Wednesday and only get 2 days. They will still probably handle us, but we get a few breaks coming into the game.
Quote from: Huge guy on January 02, 2017, 05:31:49 PM
Come on guys long season the way we shoot we wil win some big games .
Totally agree, Huge guy.
Tourney potential is still there the way we shoot it. Reminds me of Buzz's midgets team in 2010, who started the conference season 2-5 with several close losses, including a HOME loss to DePaul (DePaul's ONLY conference win for a 49 game stretch - unreal). That team also had their version of this year's non-con Pitt game (blowing a huge 2H lead to Florida St.). They learned from those early heartbreaking losses and started gutting out close games by minimizing mistakes and continuing to bomb from deep with impunity.
The seniors on that team (Hayward, Acker, Cubillan) refused to be denied, with help from some shorter-tenured players with high-end talent (DJO, Butler). Need that to be the case with Jajuan and Fischer this year, with help from Howard, Hauser, and Cheatham.
The Pitt & Seton Hall losses definitely sting. However, there is ample time to make up for them. No time like this Saturday in Philly!
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on January 02, 2017, 07:53:14 PM
I think it'll have to be more then 9 of the next 16. Unless you have a nova and Creighton win in there. 19-11 seems like a stretch to make it.
10-8 BE team does not miss the dance.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 03, 2017, 09:54:56 AM
Totally agree, Huge guy.
Tourney potential is still there the way we shoot it. Reminds me of Buzz's midgets team in 2010, who started the conference season 2-5 with several close losses, including a HOME loss to DePaul (DePaul's ONLY conference win for a 49 game stretch - unreal). That team also had their version of this year's non-con Pitt game (blowing a huge 2H lead to Florida St.). They learned from those early heartbreaking losses and started gutting out close games by minimizing mistakes and continuing to bomb from deep with impunity.
The seniors on that team (Hayward, Acker, Cubillan) refused to be denied, with help from some shorter-tenured players with high-end talent (DJO, Butler). Need that to be the case with Jajuan and Fischer this year, with help from Howard, Hauser, and Cheatham.
The Pitt & Seton Hall losses definitely sting. However, there is ample time to make up for them. No time like this Saturday in Philly!
+1. We're 1-1 coming off a great showing on the road against a tourney team--last few minutes aside.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 03, 2017, 10:27:05 AM
+1. We're 1-1 coming off a great showing on the road against a tourney team--last few minutes aside.
#LNBU
Quote from: Disco Hippie on January 02, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
I'm as frustrated about the loss as anyone, but it would have been far more frustrating to me if I thought we actually had a chance to make the NCAA's this year. As I see it we're just not a tournament team. We can deny it all we want, keep the faith and say the Pitt/SH games are going to come back to haunt us but deep down I know it's not going to happen for probably another 3 years. We're just flat out not that good. Call me a pessimist if you like but that's my take. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong but I just don't see it and unfortunately have to side with the so called experts who picked us to finish 7th this year. With St. John's and DePaul rising, even that might be optimistic. I'm still in WOJO's camp and believe strongly we're headed in the right direction, but his turnaround is going to take much more time than we'd all like unfortunately.
If we don't make the tournament for 3 more years, being in Wojo's camp will be irrelevant, because he'll no longer be MU's coach.
Important to note that we're also seeing a fair degree of vulnerability around the league. Nova still undefeated and certainly the league's best, but they beat Depaul by 3. Xavier is 12-2 but has some weird close ones this season. Butlers losses are headscratchers. Prov and GT seem to be in disarray.
Think we fight Hall for the 5th spot. Home against them is a biggie next week.
Quote from: RKMU123 on January 03, 2017, 10:36:44 AM
Important to note that we're also seeing a fair degree of vulnerability around the league. Nova still undefeated and certainly the league's best, but they beat Depaul by 3. Xavier is 12-2 but has some weird close ones this season. Butlers losses are headscratchers. Prov and GT seem to be in disarray.
Think we fight Hall for the 5th spot. Home against them is a biggie next week.
I really expect Saturday night to be a good game. I don't think we come out on top by virtue of Nova being the top team in the country, nearly by consensus, but we'll have a chip on our shoulder after Hall with a week to stew/practice and Nova will be coming off a likely dogfight (mind the pun) on the road in Indy 3 days prior.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 02, 2017, 02:05:30 PM
Unfortunately,
The Pittsburgh and now Seton Hall games will undoubtedly come back to haunt this team and keep our seniors from tasting the NCAA tournament during their careers. Jujuan n Fischer in 40 years of watching MU basketball have been near the very top of most frustrating players I have ever witnessed. Luke's missed dunk and zero defensive rebounds and jujuans drive n no look pass to no one summed up their careers to a degree. It's frustrating to have more confidence in our underclassmen to make the right play than those two. Jujuan goes into mental funks and luke all too often stands n watches.
Still hoping these two can turn it around on the court, however, sometimes retaining hope only makes it harder.
Winning or losing these games is not relevant to qualifying for the tournament. They will receive an automatic bid by winning the conference tournament.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 03, 2017, 09:12:46 AM
That said, we get them at Wells Fargo instead of The Pavilion. We get 5 days to prepare while they play Wednesday and only get 2 days. They will still probably handle us, but we get a few breaks coming into the game.
This is a classic trap game. Home against a middling, but rested, team that is out for blood in between big road games against top 15 opponents (Butler and X). I've got a feeling...