I'm sorry but we have now lost 4 of the last games against Seton Hall. Seton Hall. This should absolutely cost Wojo his job. This is just plain awful. Just saying....we NEVER lost to Seton Hall until Wojo showed up. Time for him to go.
We were playing the worst free throw shooting team in the league. And we kept giving them wide open looks under the basket instead of putting them on the line. I thought this man was supposed to be smart...he graduated from Duke and was mentored by Coach K. But he coaches without using his brain.
Who's the last team that hs beaten Villanova?
Anyone?
Since Wojo is not smart I'll ask you. Hack away with 8 healthy players? One being Matt Heldt? Do the math...
Oh unnatural carnal knowledge off.
This thread is stupid. Posting this is just as stupid. Tell me, what should he have done differently today?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
I'm sorry but we have now lost 4 of the last games against Seton Hall. Seton Hall. This should absolutely cost Wojo his job. This is just plain awful. Just saying....we NEVER lost to Seton Hall until Wojo showed up. Time for him to go.
We were playing the worst free throw shooting team in the league. And we kept giving them wide open looks under the basket instead of putting them on the line. I thought this man was supposed to be smart...he graduated from Duke and was mentored by Coach K. But he coaches without using his brain.
Uh, SH were BE champs last year........
And another Wojo to go thread............
I thought this was one of his better coaching jobs. Held the team together when it looked like Seton Hall was going to pull away. Pushed a whole lot of good buttons. Put the team in position to win a conference road game. It isn't on Wojo that Howard misses an open 3, Luke misses a dunk, Haanif misses a lay up, there is an epic meltdown on the defensive end trying to secure rebounds on missed free throws, JjJ, the senior, gets stripped driving through 3 guys, and then Howard and Rowsey run together bringing the ball up the floor. Somebody, an upperclassman, perhaps, has to take the lead.
I don't understand what Villanova has to do with anything? We are talking about Seton Hall. A team that we have dominated until Wojo showed up. Absolutely terrible.
Was wondering how long it would take for someone to lose their cool.
...not long I guess.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 05:33:46 PM
This thread is stupid. Posting this is just as stupid. Tell me, what should he have done differently today?
+100
I didn't realize it was Wojo's strategy to miss a bunch of bunnies and not get defensive rebounds...
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:35:19 PM
I don't understand what Villanova has to do with anything? We are talking about Seton Hall. A team that we have dominated until Wojo showed up. Absolutely terrible.
Who's the last team to beat them (Nova)? It's a simple question.
Quote from: DJOs Jaw on January 01, 2017, 05:35:57 PM
+100
I didn't realize it was Wojo's strategy to miss a bunch of bunnies and not get defensive rebounds...
How about calling a timeout when you are down 1 with the ball and 20s?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:35:19 PM
I don't understand what Villanova has to do with anything? We are talking about Seton Hall. A team that we have dominated until Wojo showed up. Absolutely terrible.
Totally implausible that a team/program can improve, eh?
Any y'all think the Packers will win tonight, hey?
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 05:33:46 PM
This thread is stupid. Posting this is just as stupid. Tell me, what should he have done differently today?
#Truth This is a stupid thread to start, not on Wojo today at all
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:35:19 PM
I don't understand what Villanova has to do with anything? We are talking about Seton Hall. A team that we have dominated until Wojo showed up. Absolutely terrible.
Absolutely horrible loss but this is just absurd logic.
This was on the players not executing down the stretch.
Today's game actually gave me hope that the team/program/coach are trending in the right direction.
How is it wojos fault no one can grab a damn rebound?
Mods, good time for a tactical nuke on the thread and op.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 01, 2017, 05:36:47 PM
Who's the last team to beat them (Nova)? It's a simple question.
Who cares? SHU got lucky in one game in the BET.
We have now lost 4 times in a row to them. It's inexcusable.
Wojo needs to instill a toughness in the players. Maybe at Duke you could win with just superior talent. At MU you need to instill a toughest to pull out these wins.
They were very well coached today. A multitude of player miscues in the final minute and a half away from beating a tournament team on the road.
For 39:20 of that game (even when we were trailing) I really was feeling good, thinking Wojo had turned a corner.
The last 40 seconds was brutal and unfortunately games are 40 minutes long. A lot of what went wrong there was situational awareness - and that's something that IS on the coach.
An "L" was the expectation but a "W" would have given Wojo a bit of house money.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 01, 2017, 05:40:54 PM
Mods, good time for a tactical nuke on the thread and op.
Why? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? I am not name calling other poster or anything else, just merely expressing my opinion. And my opinion is that I am sick of losing to the Seton Halls of the world. I saw no evidence that we will ever beat them again under Wojo.
I miss Buzz.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
Who cares? SHU got lucky in one game in the BET.
We have now lost 4 times in a row to them. It's inexcusable.
Seton Hall is a good team. They were easily better than MU last year. We messed up at the end. Period. This thread is stupid.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
Who cares? SHU got lucky in one game in the BET.
We have now lost 4 times in a row to them. It's inexcusable.
That's idiotic they were a very good team last year. Yes this was a choke and we should've/could've won but your logic of dominating seton hall till wojo showed up is stupid.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:43:17 PM
Why? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? I am not name calling other poster or anything else, just merely expressing my opinion. And my opinion is that I am sick of losing to the Seton Halls of the world. I saw no evidence that we will ever beat them again under Wojo.
I miss Buzz.
Lol. We were up 3 with 30 seconds left on the road and you saw no evidence that we will ever beat them again? Good stuff guy.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:43:17 PM
I saw no evidence that we will ever beat them again under Wojo.
I miss Buzz.
I agree you can have your own opionion, even though starting a topic like this makes the rest of the board look stupid
"Hey, did you see 'Wojo has to go' is a hot topic on Scoop" - which is clearly not the representative of the truth.
Anyhow, to your point, of no evidence we'll ever beat SHU under Wojo. Did you watch today? We almost did. And Wojo was the one to put the team in that position.
But yes, we get it. You hated the Wojo hire from day 1. That's OK, but you are being unreasonable.
Accept mediocrity!
Because wojo can help the missed layups and rebounds at the end, right?
He put them in position to win, what more do you want?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 01, 2017, 05:43:43 PM
That's idiotic they were a very good team last year. Yes this was a choke and we should've/could've won but your logic of dominating seton hall till wojo showed up is stupid.
I tried to look up our record vs Seton Hall, but I do not remember losing once to them until Wojo. Therefore my logic is correct unless someone else can prove it to be flawed by finding a loss on our record vs them prior to the Wojo era.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:49:43 PM
I tried to look up our record vs Seton Hall, but I do not remember losing once to them until Wojo. Therefore my logic is correct unless someone else can prove it to be flawed by finding a loss on our record vs them prior to the Wojo era.
In your world, is it not possible that a program like Seton Hall can go from bad to good? Regardless of what has happened at MU, others can get better.
You're the type of person who would have wanted Theo Epstein fired after his 2nd season with the Cubs.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 01, 2017, 05:49:22 PM
Or understand basketball.
I understand Marquette hasn't been very good in three years. Tell me what I am missing, oh wise one?
Stupid thread can't grab miss free throw rebounds is not on coach, neither missing layups or doing stupid crap as a senior
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:49:43 PM
I tried to look up our record vs Seton Hall, but I do not remember losing once to them until Wojo. Therefore my logic is correct unless someone else can prove it to be flawed by finding a loss on our record vs them prior to the Wojo era.
One is not a causation of the other. Small sample size. Difference in talent level of the teams when Wojo arrived. FYI, Seton Hall was good last season.
You need to take a logic class, apparently.
Quote from: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 05:43:08 PM
For 39:20 of that game (even when we were trailing) I really was feeling good, thinking Wojo had turned a corner.
The last 40 seconds was brutal and unfortunately games are 40 minutes long. A lot of what went wrong there was situational awareness - and that's something that IS on the coach.
An "L" was the expectation but a "W" would have given Wojo a bit of house money.
No.
Markus missed an open look at a 3. Not Wojo's fault.
Luke misses a dunk off a great set. Not Wojo's fault.
Haanif misses a lay up. Fouled? Not Wojo's fault.
Sam goes for the hero play and tries to draw a charge. Not Wojo's fault.
Luke, Sam, and JJ fail to secure rebounds on missed free throws and then commit dumb fouls. Not Wojo's fault.
JjJ tries to split a double team and gets stripped. Just JjJ being JjJ. Lord knows, Wojo has tried.
Rowsey and Howard run up the floor next to each other near the sideline. I am sure that is how Wojo drew it up.
A series of failures. Not one time did an upperclassman step up. JjJ tried, sort of, on offense.
This was a failure of on-court leadership.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
Today's game actually gave me hope that the team/program/coach are trending in the right direction.
Yup, this. It is a bitter feeling losing a game that was in our grasp, but we played poorly and lost by 3 on the road to a quality team that is a tough match up for us. Last year we lost by 17 and 20 points.
And the OP is moronic.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:49:43 PM
I tried to look up our record vs Seton Hall, but I do not remember losing once to them until Wojo. Therefore my logic is correct unless someone else can prove it to be flawed by finding a loss on our record vs them prior to the Wojo era.
"I can't be bothered to look up history, so I'm right and you're wrong, na na na naaaaaaaaa na."
What an idiot.
If we lose a game to DePaul or St. Johns then we can all start distributing pitchforks.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 01, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
I agree you can have your own opionion, even though starting a topic like this makes the rest of the board look stupid
"Hey, did you see 'Wojo has to go' is a hot topic on Scoop" - which is clearly not the representative of the truth.
Anyhow, to your point, of no evidence we'll ever beat SHU under Wojo. Did you watch today? We almost did. And Wojo was the one to put the team in that position.
But yes, we get it. You hated the Wojo hire from day 1. That's OK, but you are being unreasonable.
Actually, I loved the Wojo hire on day 1. Maybe I am over-reacting, but being okay with losing to Seton Hall over and over again is like being okay with losing to East Carolina when we were in C-USA. How long are we willing to wait for this guy to restore our program to the level Buzz had it, where we went to 3 Elite Eights in a row (with quite mediocre teams).
I watched today. And I thought we had turned a corner with Wojo. But then the last 40 seconds of the game happened. This team should have won the game, and he has to shoulder some of the responsibility for the loss.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:49:43 PM
I tried to look up our record vs Seton Hall, but I do not remember losing once to them until Wojo. Therefore my logic is correct unless someone else can prove it to be flawed by finding a loss on our record vs them prior to the Wojo era.
Loss on March 5, 2011 under Buzz.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/sh_03_05_11
Now. Just stop being dumb.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 01, 2017, 05:52:16 PM
One is not a causation of the other. Small sample size. Difference in talent level of the teams when Wojo arrived. FYI, Seton Hall was good last season.
You need to take a logic class, apparently.
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I have a PhD in Chemistry and work at Yale.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Actually, I loved the Wojo hire on day 1. Maybe I am over-reacting, but being okay with losing to Seton Hall over and over again is like being okay with losing to East Carolina when we were in C-USA. How long are we willing to wait for this guy to restore our program to the level Buzz had it, where we went to 3 Elite Eights in a row (with quite mediocre teams).
I watched today. And I thought we had turned a corner with Wojo. But then the last 40 seconds of the game happened. This team should have won the game, and he has to shoulder some of the responsibility for the loss.
Uh... what?
Since you seem to like evidence, can you demonstrate when we went to 3 elite eights in a row under Buzz?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Actually, I loved the Wojo hire on day 1. Maybe I am over-reacting, but being okay with losing to Seton Hall over and over again is like being okay with losing to East Carolina when we were in C-USA. How long are we willing to wait for this guy to restore our program to the level Buzz had it, where we went to 3 Elite Eights in a row (with quite mediocre teams).
I watched today. And I thought we had turned a corner with Wojo. But then the last 40 seconds of the game happened. This team should have won the game, and he has to shoulder some of the responsibility for the loss.
We certainly did not go to 3 straight E8s. Not sure you've gotten anything right...
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 01, 2017, 05:56:56 PM
Uh... what?
Since you seem to like evidence, can you demonstrate when we went to 3 elite eights in a row under Buzz?
Was it two? Okay, we went to 2 elite eights. Have we made the tournament once under Wojo?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
where we went to 3 Elite Eights in a row (with quite mediocre teams).
Facts, logic, who needs 'em, am I right?
One elite 8. Two sweet 16's. Don't post angry. Makes all your graduate degrees seem worthless.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Was it two? Okay, we went to 2 elite eights. Have we made the tournament once under Wojo?
Ah, trolling. I get it now. Bye
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Was it two? Okay, we went to 2 elite eights. Have we made the tournament once under Wojo?
Try a 3rd time?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Actually, I loved the Wojo hire on day 1. Maybe I am over-reacting, but being okay with losing to Seton Hall over and over again is like being okay with losing to East Carolina when we were in C-USA. How long are we willing to wait for this guy to restore our program to the level Buzz had it, where we went to 3 Elite Eights in a row (with quite mediocre teams).
I watched today. And I thought we had turned a corner with Wojo. But then the last 40 seconds of the game happened. This team should have won the game, and he has to shoulder some of the responsibility for the loss.
We didn't go to 3 Elite Eights. We went once.
And the teams that went to 2 sweet sixteens and an elite eight were mediocre? Wow.
Actually, thank you. These ridiculous posts are taking my focus away from that awful game.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 01, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Loss on March 5, 2011 under Buzz.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/sh_03_05_11
Now. Just stop being dumb.
Thanks. I will take back that we dominated them.
And I will concede that our performance this year vs them was much better than last years performances. But we need to beat them.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Was it two? Okay, we went to 2 elite eights. Have we made the tournament once under Wojo?
There is no fucking way they let a moron like you near Yale, unless you clean up after everybody.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 05:59:00 PM
One elite 8. Two sweet 16's. Don't post angry. Makes all your graduate degrees seem worthless.
Man those Buzz years seemed better in my memory than they actually were. Although 2 sweet 16s and one elite eight is not bad, but definitely not 3 elite eights. I still miss the Hillbilly!
Your opinion is contradicted by the facts. I am certain Wojo was not telling or teaching the horrible failure to box out we showed towards the end. That is on the players. In your world, I suppose Wojo huddles the team and says:
"OK guys, great effort for 39:20. Now we got 40 seconds left. Make sure you fail to box out on free throws, and then commit a stupid foul so we can give them all kinds of extra possessions before time runs out." ::)
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
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I have a PhD in Chemistry and work at Yale.
How'd you get that PhD without any math classes?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Was it two? Okay, we went to 2 elite eights. Have we made the tournament once under Wojo?
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2842554/crash-and-burn-o.gif)
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 05:53:26 PM
No.
Markus missed an open look at a 3. Not Wojo's fault.
Luke misses a dunk off a great set. Not Wojo's fault.
Haanif misses a lay up. Fouled? Not Wojo's fault.
Sam goes for the hero play and tries to draw a charge. Not Wojo's fault.
Luke, Sam, and JJ fail to secure rebounds on missed free throws and then commit dumb fouls. Not Wojo's fault.
JjJ tries to split a double team and gets stripped. Just JjJ being JjJ. Lord knows, Wojo has tried.
Rowsey and Howard run up the floor next to each other near the sideline. I am sure that is how Wojo drew it up.
A series of failures. Not one time did an upperclassman step up. JjJ tried, sort of, on offense.
This was a failure of on-court leadership.
Last 40 seconds
We'll just have to disagree on Hauser's foul. That's entirely coachable. You don't go for the "hero charge" when you're up 3 in that situation. If you think otherwise then I start to understand why you're such a Wojo fan.
JjJ's "drive" - ok, Wojo has tried, but that he hasn't been effective isn't his fault? Nor did he call a timeout to set up the final play when the shot clock was dead. Both coach failures.
Bringing the ball up on the last possession - a 10 second drill is entirely coachable. That execution should be rote. Execution to get the look IS coachable.
Shots going in or out aren't. That's part of the game and something everyone deals with. Execution to getting to the shot is coachable and what makes great teams great. How many times do you think the Dukies run into each other bringing the ball up the court in end of game situations?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 06:02:21 PM
Man those Buzz years seemed better in my memory than they actually were. Although 2 sweet 16s and one elite eight is not bad, but definitely not 3 elite eights. I still miss the Hillbilly!
"My facts are wrong--but it won't change my opinion!"
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
I'm sorry but we have now lost 4 of the last games against Seton Hall. Seton Hall. This should absolutely cost Wojo his job. This is just plain awful. Just saying....we NEVER lost to Seton Hall until Wojo showed up. Time for him to go.
We were playing the worst free throw shooting team in the league. And we kept giving them wide open looks under the basket instead of putting them on the line. I thought this man was supposed to be smart...he graduated from Duke and was mentored by Coach K. But he coaches without using his brain.
Dumbest person on Scoop award.
Rough loss to be sure. I guess Wojo should have laid up that shot instead of tried to dunk it. Or when Wojo threw the ball away. Or when he missed that open lay up from Katin.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 01, 2017, 06:02:04 PM
There is no unnatural carnal knowledgeing way they let a moron like you near Yale, unless you clean up after everybody.
I guess letting morons like me work at Yale is why Harvard and MIT > Yale.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 06:02:21 PM
Man those Buzz years seemed better in my memory than they actually were. Although 2 sweet 16s and one elite eight is not bad, but definitely not 3 elite eights. I still miss the Hillbilly!
Well you can go buy a VT shirt. He left MU. Was his choice.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 06:07:38 PM
I guess letting morons like me work at Yale is why Harvard and MIT > Yale.
Ok...this was a pretty good response.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 06:03:39 PM
How'd you get that PhD without any math classes?
I took my math classes at MU during undergrad.....
I have been hard on Wojo/this team, but this was the first game that gave me hope that things are going in the right direction. Very serviceable defense most of the game, multiple looks on defense..zone worked in, a little edge from our guys -- namely sam. IMO this game was lost because we didnt have the seniors/experience in the end. We fought hard and played smart for most of the game -- first time I said that this season.
Heldt not scoring is the reason we lost. Seton Hall did an excellent job shutting him down.
Quote from: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 06:04:32 PM
Last 40 seconds
We'll just have to disagree on Hauser's foul. That's entirely coachable. You don't go for the "hero charge" when you're up 3 in that situation. If you think otherwise then I start to understand why you're such a Wojo fan.
JjJ's "drive" - ok, Wojo has tried, but that he hasn't been effective isn't his fault? Nor did he call a timeout to set up the final play when the shot clock was dead. Both coach failures.
Bringing the ball up on the last possession - a 10 second drill is entirely coachable. That execution should be rote. Execution to get the look IS coachable.
Shots going in or out aren't. That's part of the game and something everyone deals with. Execution to getting to the shot is coachable and what makes great teams great. How many times do you think the Dukies run into each other bringing the ball up the court in end of game situations?
Sam is a freshman. He is playing his butt off. He made a mistake in his first road conference game. That one I can live with. JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do? Can't bench him. His good is too good. He could have called time out before JjJ's turnover, but he opted not to. Coin flip. A year ago, he would have called timeout. Probably felt pretty good about his offense. How many times have Rowsey and Howard been on the floor together this year? They messed up.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 01, 2017, 06:09:58 PM
I have been hard on Wojo/this team, but this was the first game that gave me hope that things are going in the right direction. Very serviceable defense most of the game, multiple looks on defense..zone worked in, a little edge from our guys -- namely sam. IMO this game was lost because we didnt have the seniors/experience in the end. We fought hard and played smart for most of the game -- first time I said that this season.
We shot poorly...which led us to the unfortunate conclusion.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do? Can't bench him.
Also hurt that Duane was not available today. JJJ probably would have sat a few minutes today in favor of DW.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 01, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
We shot poorly...which led us to the unfortunate conclusion.
I agree - but we have been an offensive machine all year and lose to quality teams. We shot poor and had a shot to win -- this team played different tonight in a good way IMO (despite the meltdown at the end)
Said a different way the team that played Pitt, MI & WI (and some cupcakes for that matter) would have lost a barn-burner by 10.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 01, 2017, 06:13:21 PM
Also hurt that Duane was not available today. JJJ probably would have sat a few minutes today in favor of DW.
I thought the same. Duane is one of our better finishers and a pretty good go-to guy for buckets at the end.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
Sam is a freshman. He is playing his butt off. He made a mistake in his first road conference game. That one I can live with. JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do? Can't bench him. His good is too good. He could have called time out before JjJ's turnover, but he opted not to. Coin flip. A year ago, he would have called timeout. Probably felt pretty good about his offense. How many times have Rowsey and Howard been on the floor together this year? They messed up.
I don't disagree with any of that. All I'm saying is that each one of those things is a coachable fix. There is a probability on any given play that a player will do something against what he's been coached. That probability never goes to zero, but on well-coached teams it gets pretty low. If it's pretty low, it's pretty unlikely to draw a combination of three consecutive F-ups in the final 35 seconds of a game. Teams that don't F-up multiple possessions in a row usually tend to do pretty well. This is why coaching matters and why coaching talent just isn't some uniform distribution.
But whatever, it would have been a great W to have - I guess we just have to grab one from 'Nova next week!
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 01, 2017, 06:14:19 PM
I agree - but we have been an offensive machine all year and lose to quality teams. We shot poor and had a shot to win -- this team played different tonight in a good way IMO (despite the meltdown at the end)
Said a different way the team that played Pitt, MI & WI (and some cupcakes for that matter) would have lost a barn-burner by 10.
Totally agree.
Sad part about the shooting performance is that I think there were anywhere from 4-6 wide open threes by Sam/Markus/JJJ that were good shots and just didn't go down...nothing to do with Seton Hall's defense, we just missed them.
Quote from: 1SE on January 01, 2017, 06:17:51 PM
I don't disagree with any of that. All I'm saying is that each one of those things is a coachable fix. There is a probability on any given play that a player will do something against what he's been coached. That probability never goes to zero, but on well-coached teams it gets pretty low. If it's pretty low, it's pretty unlikely to draw a combination of three consecutive F-ups in the final 35 seconds of a game. Teams that don't F-up multiple possessions in a row usually tend to do pretty well. This is why coaching matters and why coaching talent just isn't some uniform distribution.
But whatever, it would have been a great W to have - I guess we just have to grab one from 'Nova next week!
And we disagree.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
Sam is a freshman. He is playing his butt off. He made a mistake in his first road conference game. That one I can live with. JjJ has been in and out of Wojo's doghouse so many times, what is left for Wojo to do? Can't bench him. His good is too good. He could have called time out before JjJ's turnover, but he opted not to. Coin flip. A year ago, he would have called timeout. Probably felt pretty good about his offense. How many times have Rowsey and Howard been on the floor together this year? They messed up.
I agree, love to have five Sam Hausers on the floor.
If he didn't try to get charge and let him score the two, MU would have been up one with like 20 seconds to go. That was the one that hurt and lead to the free throw debacles. But should not have even gotten to that point because Luke's dunk miss and Cheatham's layup miss would have sealed the game.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 01, 2017, 06:17:55 PM
Totally agree.
Sad part about the shooting performance is that I think there were anywhere from 4-6 wide open threes by Sam/Markus/JJJ that were good shots and just didn't go down...nothing to do with Seton Hall's defense, we just missed them.
Maddening -- but I am actually excited for the rest of the season if this is the team playing...the offense will return - i just hope the d doesnt leave. They actually looked competent on switches and help D tonight.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
We were playing the worst free throw shooting team in the league. And we kept giving them wide open looks under the basket instead of putting them on the line. I thought this man was supposed to be smart...he graduated from Duke and was mentored by Coach K. But he coaches without using his brain.
You did hear Wojo in one of the timeouts in the second half say "no one has foul trouble make them earn it at the line" correct? So how is it his fault the players didn't execute?
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
I agree, love to have five Sam Hausers on the floor.
If he didn't try to get charge and let him score the two, MU would have been up one with like 20 seconds to go. That was the one that hurt and lead to the free throw debacles. But should not have even gotten to that point because Luke's dunk miss and Cheatham's layup miss would have sealed the game.
Look how bad Luke's box outs were on the free-throws too...good grief
The guy that starts this thread says he works at Yale. That backs up my claim that you can't measure real intelligence with a GPA or SAT/ACT. Beautiful.
Hey Einstein, listen up. This program is headed into the top 20 within 2 years so buckle up.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
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I have a PhD in Chemistry and work at Yale.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
The OP isn't a dude.
Quote from: TedBaxter on January 01, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
The guy that starts this thread says he works at Yale. That backs up my claim that you can't measure real intelligence with a GPA or SAT/ACT. Beautiful.
Hey Einstein, listen up. This program is headed into the top 20 within 2 years so buckle up.
Give the guy a break.
If Wojo would have grabbed those rebounds and not missed a dunk and layup in the last minute, we win.
Quote from: TedBaxter on January 01, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
The guy that starts this thread says he works at Yale. That backs up my claim that you can't measure real intelligence with a GPA or SAT/ACT. Beautiful.
Hey Einstein, listen up. This program is headed into the top 20 within 2 years so buckle up.
First, I am not a guy. Not like it matters on a message board.
I agree that you cant measure intelligence by GPA or SAT/ACT. I went to MU for undergrad because my GPA and SAT scores in high school were pretty average and would not admit me to the Notre Dame or Georgetown's of the world.
I hope you are right about the program heading into the top 20 soon!
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 01, 2017, 06:22:26 PM
You did hear Wojo in one of the timeouts in the second half say "no one has foul trouble make them earn it at the line" correct? So how is it his fault the players didn't execute?
I did hear that. I was wondering why right after that time out, we gave up a layup to the chubby guy.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 06:07:38 PM
I guess letting morons like me work at Yale is why Harvard and MIT > Yale.
You mean all the Yale kids who cryed like children when Trump won. Stop with this Yale crap.
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 01, 2017, 06:33:28 PM
You mean all the Yale kids who cryed like children when Trump won. Stop with this Yake crap.
That was pretty hysterical! They set up 'safe spaces' all over campus for the little snowflakes to go cry about micro aggressions etc.
Here's why Wojo didn't use a timeout prior to JJJ's turnover at the end of the game...he used Luke's foul out as a timeout. They weren't just standing around singing Kumbaya in that huddle. They had 30 seconds, they got their offensive play (the JJJ curl we do multiple times a game), and JJJ tried to make a 7 point play while we were down 2.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
That was pretty hysterical! They set up 'safe spaces' all over campus for the little snowflakes to go cry about micro aggressions etc.
They sure did. That's why I wouldn't be playing the Yale card.
Hey Yaley-
Please predict the roster for next year after Wojo is fired. SMH.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:43:17 PM
Why? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? I am not name calling other poster or anything else, just merely expressing my opinion. And my opinion is that I am sick of losing to the Seton Halls of the world. I saw no evidence that we will ever beat them again under Wojo.
I miss Buzz.
Go root for Virginia Polytechnic then, please go and take your thread with you
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
I agree, love to have five Sam Hausers on the floor.
If he didn't try to get charge and let him score the two, MU would have been up one with like 20 seconds to go. That was the one that hurt and lead to the free throw debacles. But should not have even gotten to that point because Luke's dunk miss and Cheatham's layup miss would have sealed the game.
Amen. But watch Sam on that play. He was in that position for two seconds and never moved a muscle. That was a clear charge. And JJJ, as bad as he was, had one of those FT-miss rebounds and was grabbed. Refs were as bad as we were down the stretch.
Quote from: ecompt on January 01, 2017, 07:30:41 PM
Amen. But watch Sam on that play. He was in that position for two seconds and never moved a muscle. That was a clear charge. And JJJ, as bad as he was, had one of those FT-miss rebounds and was grabbed. Refs were as bad as we were down the stretch.
I think Sam was in position but he was not outside of the circle.
There are so many posts defending Wojo and his mediocrity. Hopefully at some point in the future our fan base and administration will expect to at least make the tournament again. Until then, we'll keep blowing second halfeads and seeing kids leave the program unexpectedly.
Wojo isn't the golden child we were promised. Until he earns some real W's I'll continue to remain unimpressed.
Coaching was fine. Execution, well, not so good
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
I'm sorry but we have now lost 4 of the last games against Seton Hall. Seton Hall. This should absolutely cost Wojo his job. This is just plain awful. Just saying....we NEVER lost to Seton Hall until Wojo showed up. Time for him to go.
We were playing the worst free throw shooting team in the league. And we kept giving them wide open looks under the basket instead of putting them on the line. I thought this man was supposed to be smart...he graduated from Duke and was mentored by Coach K. But he coaches without using his brain.
Seton Hall was the last team to beat Villanova. We lost a close game to a good Pirate team. We are a far cry from where we were just two seasons ago. I was at the game and despite losing it was a very fun game to watch.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 01, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Wojo isn't the golden child we were promised.
Can you provide us a quote from someone who said this?
If Wojo were to go, odds are Markus and Sam would also go. Personally, I really want to see those two as upperclassmen. Guess to each their own, but I still think today still showed more positives than negatives.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2017, 08:02:03 PM
If Wojo were to go, odds are Markus and Sam would also go. Personally, I really want to see those two as upperclassmen. Guess to each their own, but I still think today still showed more positives than negatives.
Yep.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 01, 2017, 07:57:44 PM
Seton Hall was the last team to beat Villanova. We lost a close game to a good Pirate team. We are a far cry from where we were just two seasons ago. I was at the game and despite losing it was a very fun game to watch.
I agree. There were mistakes, sure, but I am very encouraged by what I saw today. The better team lost a close one due to inexperience, missing easy lay-ups and multiple fouls in the last few seconds. I think we have room for optimism. This team showed growth against a tough junkyard dog team. This team will be different in 3 months and are a power forward away from a contender. Keep the faith and keep Wojo. Anyone who wants to dump him now should reconsider their expectations.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 01, 2017, 07:57:44 PM
Seton Hall was the last team to beat Villanova.
Warrior - the team we played today didn't beat Villanova. Last year's Seton Hall team did. They no longer have the Big East tourney's unanimous MVP and principle architect of that win (Whitehead). So what's the point?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 01, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Loss on March 5, 2011 under Buzz.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/sh_03_05_11
Now. Just stop being dumb.
Agreed! The comment about never losing to them until WOJO in the first post is factually incorrect. I was at that game and it was brutal. I left at halftime because we were down by 26 if memory serves me correctly. We still ended up going to the Sweet 16 that year and I was at that game against North Carolina (which coincidentally was played at the Prudential Center in Newark, NJ, Seton Hall's home court) as well. In that game we were down 40-15 at halftime. Since it was the NCAA's I didn't leave at halftime out of frustration but I did have the pleasure of watching us get absolutely smoked 2x in 3 weeks at the same venue with Buzz in command of the program. Still, hard to complain about a sweet 16 season.
I'm not a WOJO apologist by any means but hard to blame this L on him. I guess I'm just more accepting of the fact that we're just not as good as everyone on here (myself included) wants us to be.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 01, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
There are so many posts defending Wojo and his mediocrity. Hopefully at some point in the future our fan base and administration will expect to at least make the tournament again. Until then, we'll keep blowing second halfeads and seeing kids leave the program unexpectedly.
Wojo isn't the golden child we were promised. Until he earns some real W's I'll continue to remain unimpressed.
Guess you missed the "fire Wojo" threads--there are a few. ::) I am far from an apologist, but this one is not on the coaching.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Actually, I loved the Wojo hire on day 1. Maybe I am over-reacting, but being okay with losing to Seton Hall over and over again is like being okay with losing to East Carolina when we were in C-USA. How long are we willing to wait for this guy to restore our program to the level Buzz had it, where we went to 3 Elite Eights in a row (with quite mediocre teams).
I watched today. And I thought we had turned a corner with Wojo. But then the last 40 seconds of the game happened. This team should have won the game, and he has to shoulder some of the responsibility for the loss.
It was 2 sweet 16s and one elite 8. Those teams were not mediocre at all, the 2011 team was (though it was lead by someone who's now a top player in the NBA), the 2012 team was top 15 for almost the whole season and the 2013 team won the old Big East which mediocre teams don't do.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
Who cares? SHU got lucky in one game in the BET.
We have now lost 4 times in a row to them. It's inexcusable.
No we haven't.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 01, 2017, 09:40:28 PM
No we haven't.
Oh stop with your "facts" and "counting skills".
This thread is so ridiculous, I won't even bother reading it.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
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I have a PhD in Chemistry and work at Yale.
If I have any questions on chemistry I will be sure to call you. Your understanding of basketball is questionable.
Let me ask you this, do you think a coach should be fired for losing twice to the eventual Big East champions and then again on the road to a team that is a likely bubble team? Because that is what you are advocating for.
Quote from: TedBaxter on January 01, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
The guy that starts this thread says he works at Yale. That backs up my claim that you can't measure real intelligence with a GPA or SAT/ACT. Beautiful.
Hey Einstein, listen up. This program is headed into the top 20 within 2 years so buckle up.
Says the guy whose only hope of getting into an Ivy is to take the public tour bus.
Hey, Baxter, listen up. That guy isn't a dude. And she works at Yale. And you never will.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2017, 08:44:12 PM
Warrior - the team we played today didn't beat Villanova. Last year's Seton Hall team did. They no longer have the Big East tourney's unanimous MVP and principle architect of that win (Whitehead). So what's the point?
The point is that the OP said that losing to Seton Hall three times in a row was grounds for dismissal for a coach. Two of those three losses were to that Seton Hall team.
I am amazed that people demand adherence to some unstated party line.
Jutaw expressed an opinion that she is disappointed in the team's performance under Wojo.
Frankly, she is not alone. There are some key financial supporters of the program asking questions. And they should. The team is not making progress to their liking.
As for those mocking her for her Yale connection...there are some here employed at Yale, the Mayo Clinic, and in senior leadership positions in significant enterprises. As Marquette grads we should celebrate the success of some of our fellow alums. Because for every one teaching at Yale there are hundreds of others who are part of the mass of men leading lives of quiet desperation.
Were Thoreau to read the comments here he would shake his head in disgust.
Quote from: keefe on January 02, 2017, 12:32:37 AM
I am amazed that people demand adherence to some unstated party line.
I don't think anyone has been loyal to any party line in this thread. I have seen consistent Wojo critics step in and say that the OP is off base. People have crossed party lines to say that the line of reasoning was absurd.
Quote from: keefe on January 02, 2017, 12:32:37 AM
Jutaw expressed an opinion that she is disappointed in the team's performance under Wojo.
Jutlaw did not express disappointment in the team's performance under Wojo. She stated that Wojo needed to be fired because he had lost 4 times in a row to Seton Hall. A statement that is ridiculous for several reasons. 1. It's not factual. We've lost three times in a row. 2. Two of the losses in question were to a Seton Hall team that won the Big East. The third was a close, hard fought loss on the road to a solid but not great Pirate squad. 3. As many others have pointed out, Wojo had the team in good position to win tonight. Main issue was that the players couldn't execute down the stretch. The coach bears some responsibility because he needs to develop good habits and mental toughness within the players. But a majority of the blame goes on execution, not coaching. 4. Losing to a specific program three times is not justification for a firing in any circumstance.
Quote from: keefe on January 02, 2017, 12:32:37 AM
Frankly, she is not alone. There are some key financial supporters of the program asking questions. And they should. The team is not making progress to their liking.
We have two options, go forward with Wojo until he's either successful or its become apparent that he never will be. Or fire him. I don't think there is a third option. If the boosters want to fire him, I think that would be a mistake at this point. The program has improved every year under Wojo and firing him would almost certainly set the program back by several years. Fortunately, I think most of the "key financial supporters" recognize this given we had a record fundraising weekend a few weeks ago. So while I am sure the the boosters are just as frustrated as the rest of us, they are smart men and women who recognize that rebuilds are painful but we are building towards something good.
Quote from: keefe on January 02, 2017, 12:32:37 AM
As for those mocking her for her Yale connection...there are some here employed at Yale, the Mayo Clinic, and in senior leadership positions in significant enterprises. As Marquette grads we should celebrate the success of some of our fellow alums. Because for every one teaching at Yale there are hundreds of others who are part of the mass of men leading lives of quiet desperation.
No one should mock someone for working for Yale. It is a great achievement. And if I ever have a question on chemistry, I know who I will turn to. I will say that I meet the claim of working for Yale with the same skepticism as I meet every claim on the internet. When I first joined our beloved community, I didn't know you were truly a pilot in the air force. I didn't think you were lying but I wouldn't have bet money on it either. You have since demonstrated enough knowledge and experience that I would criticize anyone who tried to discredit you. Just like I would expect others to be skeptical of the fact that I work as a Title IX investigator. They don't know me, I could just be a punk living in his parents' basement claiming to be such. I am still skeptical the 4ever is a dentist but enough people have confirmed it that I have to accept it!
Quote from: keefe on January 02, 2017, 12:32:37 AM
Were Thoreau to read the comments here he would shake his head in disgust.
I think Thoreau would shake his head in disgust at 97% of what gets posted on this website.
Quote from: keefe on January 02, 2017, 12:14:14 AM
Says the guy whose only hope of getting into an Ivy is to take the public tour bus.
Hey, Baxter, listen up. That guy isn't a dude. And she works at Yale. And you never will.
You know what Keefe? I'm going to take the time here to apologize to the young woman for my condescending tone towards her yesterday. I was just not happy with some of the negative posting on all of the Marquette message boards yesterday and it got to me. I'm also going to explain my position on Wojo and the direction of the program.
There is no doubt a change and the style of play is one of the aspects that is reflective of the change. Yesterday I felt the defense was probably as good as it's been all year and the team shooting ability is as good as it's been in the past 3-4 years.
Another change is in recruiting and something I try to find out as much as I can about. Some people think MU needs to be more open about recruiting JUCO's and Wojo has looked into that level. MU has limitations and some of it is because of credits transferring matching what Marquette offers. I know one recruiting situation pretty well and know the coaching staff was very specific on what the student/athlete needed to do academically to get into Marquette and he chose another school that didn't have the same academc requirements and expectations. The other school was probably a better fit overall and he is doing well. He could have helped Marquette a great deal, but would have it been a good match for him? Maybe not.
Wojo has only had 2 recruiting classes hit the floor. Henry and Traci are no longer in the program, yet the team might be playing better than at any time since Wojo took over. Wojo isn't taking shortcuts other than grabbing a couple grad transfers or maybe you could argue adding the Ellenson's. He's being very selective in who he offers, right or wrong. He has a plan and is sticking to his guns. Let's wait to see how he does the next two years and I think people will be very pleasantly surprised in that time frame.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
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I have a PhD in Chemistry and work at Yale.
Breaking Bad
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
We were playing the worst free throw shooting team in the league. And we kept giving them wide open looks under the basket instead of putting them on the line. I thought this man was supposed to be smart...he graduated from Duke and was mentored by Coach K. But he coaches without using his brain.
During one of the time outs in the 2nd half, they had Wojo mic'd up and he told the team exactly that. He said for them to go ahead and give the fouls and make SH earn it at the line. "No layups," he said.
Unfortunately, the team still has to execute.
Quote from: keefe on January 02, 2017, 12:14:14 AM
Says the guy whose only hope of getting into an Ivy is to take the public tour bus.
Hey, Baxter, listen up. That guy isn't a dude. And she works at Yale. And you never will.
if i am factually wrong on multiple accounts, i don't list my accomplishments and education background...i simply apologize and take it as a reminder to think before i speak/type.
Anyone who thinks that the last :40 seconds is on Wojo doesn't really know what they are talking about. That was a great effort against a physically more imposing team on the road. Yeah it sucks that they gave it away, but they are playing hard and their defense has improved (just like people were hoping it would.)
I said it in the other thread, but there is progress. It may not be as fast as people would like but this team is much better than the last two, and IMO is going to get better in the next two.
Any truth to da rumor dat jutaw is really hoopaloop, hey?
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
I went to MU for undergrad because my GPA and SAT scores in high school were pretty average and would not admit me to the Notre Dame or Georgetown's of the world.
You all need your troll detectors tuned up
If people look up coaches, many of them take four seasons to be successful initially. These include new coaches, coaches new to a school, etc...the fast track is three years...the slow track is five years. Of course some do not make it that long without signs of progress. Less often, a coach will inherit a good or strong situation and have success earlier.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 02, 2017, 07:36:41 AM
if i am factually wrong on multiple accounts, i don't list my accomplishments and education background...i simply apologize and take it as a reminder to think before i speak/type.
Exactly. If the topic were chemistry, Yale or higher education then touting her credentials would be relevant. Touting them in regards to a basketball discussion are irrelevant and opened her up to further ribbing.
One can be an expert in one field and completely naive in another.
Jutaw was on this board early. Female, Conservative politically. Then she all but disappeared. Obviously, she was frustrated yesterday and needed to vent. Happy New Year to you, jutaw.
Quote from: Disco Hippie on January 01, 2017, 09:11:22 PM
Agreed! The comment about never losing to them until WOJO in the first post is factually incorrect. I was at that game and it was brutal. I left at halftime because we were down by 26 if memory serves me correctly. We still ended up going to the Sweet 16 that year and I was at that game against North Carolina (which coincidentally was played at the Prudential Center in Newark, NJ, Seton Hall's home court) as well. In that game we were down 40-15 at halftime. Since it was the NCAA's I didn't leave at halftime out of frustration but I did have the pleasure of watching us get absolutely smoked 2x in 3 weeks at the same venue with Buzz in command of the program. Still, hard to complain about a sweet 16 season.
I'm not a WOJO apologist by any means but hard to blame this L on him. I guess I'm just more accepting of the fact that we're just not as good as everyone on here (myself included) wants us to be.
...but we're getting there.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:43:17 PM
Why? Am I not allowed to have an opinion? I am not name calling other poster or anything else, just merely expressing my opinion. And my opinion is that I am sick of losing to the Seton Halls of the world. I saw no evidence that we will ever beat them again under Wojo.
I miss Buzz.
Most of us miss BUZZ, I root for him and V.T., but this is now. The overtime win over S.H. after an O.T. win at St. Johns were things of beauty. The team was junkyard tough, the S.H. coach was a clown, BUZZ was on a mission. The man has no patience for the process to work, he is for winning now no matter what. It makes his life easy, and our life a little more difficult.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2017, 09:17:18 AM
Jutaw was on this board early. Female, Conservative politically. Then she all but disappeared. Obviously, she was frustrated yesterday and needed to vent. Happy New Year to you, jutaw.
Ah, well, that certainly explains the I'm-basing-my-opinion-on-an-entire-set-of-made-up-and-completely-false-assumptions-and-no-amount-verifiable-reality-will-sway-me thing.
Let me jump in here. I received a request from Jutaw to delete the thread, admitting it was just some venting, partially because of family that has SHU ties.
I declined, because at the time there was some good discussion here. Please keep it focused on basketball discussion, and not just bashing of a particular member. Thanks.
Fair, and a good call rocky. Thanks.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 02, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
Let me jump in here. I received a request from Jutaw to delete the thread, admitting it was just some venting, partially because of family that has SHU ties.
I declined, because at the time there was some good discussion here. Please keep it focused on basketball discussion, and not just bashing of a particular member. Thanks.
We've all been there. That ending sucked b@lls.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 01, 2017, 05:35:19 PM
I don't understand what Villanova has to do with anything? We are talking about Seton Hall. A team that we have dominated until Wojo showed up. Absolutely terrible.
We dominated Seton Hall, because generally they were not a good team. Now they are. I was dissapointed in the loss, but it showed substantial improvement over last year were Seton Hall destroyed us in both games. Progress is being made under Wojo. I would like it to be faster, but it is happening and I can live with that.
Quote from: bilsu on January 02, 2017, 12:21:16 PM
We dominated Seton Hall, because generally they were not a good team. Now they are. I was dissapointed in the loss, but it showed substantial improvement over last year were Seton Hall destroyed us in both games. Progress is being made under Wojo. I would like it to be faster, but it is happening and I can live with that.
Completely agree. I said to myself with about 3:00 to play that regardless of outcome, this looks like a tourney team. My thinking remains unchanged. This team is pretty good. Still need to clean some things up, but there's substance here.
Also, this subject line is so stupid. I'm a proponent of shutting down the board for an hour after a loss to give those who lack impulse control some time to recover. It would have helped me at some points and probably still would under some scenarios!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 02, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
Let me jump in here. I received a request from Jutaw to delete the thread, admitting it was just some venting, partially because of family that has SHU ties.
I declined, because at the time there was some good discussion here. Please keep it focused on basketball discussion, and not just bashing of a particular member. Thanks.
Maybe changing the subject line to "Wojo" would save some face.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 02, 2017, 12:41:03 PM
Maybe changing the subject line to "Wojo" would save some face.
Sure I could do that, but the OP can too.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on January 01, 2017, 05:54:27 PM
If we lose a game to DePaul or St. Johns then we can all start distributing pitchforks.
I watched St. John's play their first two Big East games. They have extremely quick guards. They may be only 7-7, but their point guard missed four games. I would not be surprised to lose to St. John's.
bump
Lol.
I was wondering how long this would take.
Nicely done.
Going to Duke, hey?
Yep. I was a jerk that day. I just really hated losing to MF Seton Hall!
Wojo has to go. Tonight confirmed the guy can not make adjustments at half time. Embarrassing. Fire the looser... Oh, wait.....
Just because this is the night to say it
Wojo haters suck it.