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Title: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: wadesworld on November 14, 2016, 10:30:55 PM
Biggest win of the year tonight.  Well done boys.

Now let's focus on the biggest game of the year coming up here on Thursday.  Let's get to 3-0.

Give em hell, Wojo.  Go Warriors.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on November 15, 2016, 06:53:10 AM
We need to have some tough defense against michigan
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: real chili 83 on November 15, 2016, 06:58:46 AM
Who's got a good scouting report on Michigan?
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on November 15, 2016, 07:03:45 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 15, 2016, 06:58:46 AM
Who's got a good scouting report on Michigan?

http://kenpom.com/gameprep.php?g=479

Best $ a college hoops fan can spend
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: real chili 83 on November 15, 2016, 07:50:25 AM
I've blown the budget on my Scoop subscription.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on November 15, 2016, 10:05:23 AM
MU is 2-0 for first time since 2013-14.

Even rarer, an MU win against Michigan OR Pitt later this week will give MU two wins over "Power 6" teams in its first four games. That hasn't happened since 2001-02 (MU beat Indiana and Tennessee in Great Alaska Shootout to go to 4-0).
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: JediWarrior on November 15, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
You can just view the Kenpom home page: http://kenpom.com/

He has Michigan ranked just three spots behind MU at 35, so it's basically a pickem game at a neutral site.

They have 7 guys on their roster at 6'8" or taller, so we will likely continue to struggle on the boards.  They are not a great perimeter shooting team, so if we can focus on keeping them at 15' we can control the game.

I haven't seen a single second of their coverage, so this is all based on stats FWIW.  They beat Howard by 18 in their opener, so hopefully that is an indicator.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 15, 2016, 10:22:59 AM
Quote from: JediWarrior on November 15, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
You can just view the Kenpom home page: http://kenpom.com/

He has Michigan ranked just three spots behind MU at 35, so it's basically a pickem game at a neutral site.

They have 7 guys on their roster at 6'8" or taller, so we will likely continue to struggle on the boards.  They are not a great perimeter shooting team, so if we can focus on keeping them at 15' we can control the game.

I haven't seen a single second of their coverage, so this is all based on stats FWIW.  They beat Howard by 18 in their opener, so hopefully that is an indicator.

Yeah. I'd ignorewhat you think you're reading.

They are a great perimeter team and don't have much impact size. Very similar to us.

Walton, Irvin, Robinson and the guy with long Muslim name all can shoot the rock and play outside.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: naginiF on November 15, 2016, 10:26:04 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 15, 2016, 06:58:46 AM
Who's got a good scouting report on Michigan?
They beat Howard by 18, we beat Howard by 32.  Therefore we win by 14 and the board starts getting concerned that we've not really been in a close game and if we'll be able to handle it if it ever happens.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: GGGG on November 15, 2016, 10:32:41 AM
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on November 15, 2016, 10:22:59 AM
Yeah. I'd ignorewhat you think you're reading.

They are a great perimeter team and don't have much impact size. Very similar to us.

Walton, Irvin, Robinson and the guy with long Muslim name all can shoot the rock and play outside.


Anytime you play a John Beilein team you can be assured of two things.

A lot of movement by both player and ball.  A lot of outside shooting.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: HoopsterBC on November 15, 2016, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on November 15, 2016, 10:22:59 AM
Yeah. I'd ignorewhat you think you're reading.

They are a great perimeter team and don't have much impact size. Very similar to us.

Walton, Irvin, Robinson and the guy with long Muslim name all can shoot the rock and play outside.

Two teams very similar, so this is a very important game for 2 bubble teams for the NCAA, this game is a resume builder.  I like our chances because Carter might be
able to handle Walton.  I wonder what the spread will be?  MU getting 2?
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: GGGG on November 15, 2016, 10:39:43 AM
I actually think this is going to be a very difficult game given what I have seen from our perimeter defense thus far.  They have to clean up the rotations and the close outs because Michigan can absolutely roll you like MU did to Vandy if they are hot.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: HoopsterBC on November 15, 2016, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2016, 10:39:43 AM
I actually think this is going to be a very difficult game given what I have seen from our perimeter defense thus far.  They have to clean up the rotations and the close outs because Michigan can absolutely roll you like MU did to Vandy if they are hot.

I agree, but if MU is hot, they can roll Michigan as well.  You can look at from both sides.  MU offensively in the first half did not know how to break the zone, once they
did lights out.  Michigan had the same problem against Howard, play a 3-1-1 basically.  Unusual.  This game will be a true test for both.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Babybluejeans on November 15, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: JediWarrior on November 15, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
They have 7 guys on their roster at 6'8" or taller, so we will likely continue to struggle on the boards.  They are not a great perimeter shooting team, so if we can focus on keeping them at 15' we can control the game.


Glad we're getting the opportunity early on to play a good team with that many big guys. This is the matchup that MU is not especially built for. So, if we can figure out a winning strategy against a team like that (i.e. big and athletic) we're going to be pretty dang good. 
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: robmufan on November 15, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
Does Beilien still employ a 1-3-1 as much as he use to at WV and his first couple years at UM? If so, the wings should be open...
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: GGGG on November 15, 2016, 10:52:02 AM
He's moved to more of a man to man in recent years, but still uses the 1-3-1.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 15, 2016, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Babybluejeans on November 15, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
Glad we're getting the opportunity early on to play a good team with that many big guys. This is the matchup that MU is not especially built for. So, if we can figure out a winning strategy against a team like that (i.e. big and athletic) we're going to be pretty dang good.

As I said. They don't really have many. Donnal is the only one with real experience. The other two are big and may hurt us on the boards.

But their guards are the scorers and the guys that we need to limit.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on November 15, 2016, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 15, 2016, 10:36:16 AM
Two teams very similar, so this is a very important game for 2 bubble teams for the NCAA, this game is a resume builder.  I like our chances because Carter might be
able to handle Walton.  I wonder what the spread will be?  MU getting 2?
WILL be able to handle walton
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Newsdreams on November 15, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 15, 2016, 07:50:25 AM
I've blown the budget on my Scoop subscription.
Getting your salsa free?
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Smokin' Jae on November 15, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 15, 2016, 10:36:16 AM
Two teams very similar, so this is a very important game for 2 bubble teams for the NCAA, this game is a resume builder.  I like our chances because Carter might be
able to handle Walton.  I wonder what the spread will be?  MU getting 2?
Kenpom predicting a 1 point Marquette win. So yeah my guess is a pickem or MU getting 1, do not think we'll be favored.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on November 15, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
https://dailyknicks.com/2016/10/20/new-york-knicks-nba-draft-sg-watch-2016-17/6/
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 15, 2016, 01:35:16 PM
Quote from: JediWarrior on November 15, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
You can just view the Kenpom home page: http://kenpom.com/

He has Michigan ranked just three spots behind MU at 35, so it's basically a pickem game at a neutral site.

They have 7 guys on their roster at 6'8" or taller, so we will likely continue to struggle on the boards.  They are not a great perimeter shooting team, so if we can focus on keeping them at 15' we can control the game.

I haven't seen a single second of their coverage, so this is all based on stats FWIW.  They beat Howard by 18 in their opener, so hopefully that is an indicator.

Look at the stats from last year. That will tell you more than starts from two games against cupcakes.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Coleman on November 16, 2016, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 15, 2016, 07:03:45 AM
http://kenpom.com/gameprep.php?g=479

Best $ a college hoops fan can spend

Been on the fence about paying. Is it worth it?
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2016, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: Coleman on November 16, 2016, 01:33:17 PM
Been on the fence about paying. Is it worth it?

Absolutely. For the price you pay, it's a steal. Best money you can spend if you're a college basketball fan.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Henry Sugar on November 16, 2016, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: Coleman on November 16, 2016, 01:33:17 PM
Been on the fence about paying. Is it worth it?

Yes, absolutely
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: real chili 83 on November 16, 2016, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: Newsdrms on November 15, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Getting your salsa free?


Ya, I know a guy.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 16, 2016, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 16, 2016, 01:37:32 PM
Absolutely. For the price you pay, it's a steal. Best money you can spend if you're a college basketball fan.

Umm Maybe I'm thinking of someone else but don't you help run a paid board?
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 16, 2016, 02:02:50 PM
Umm Maybe I'm thinking of someone else but don't you help run a paid board?

As far as the bargain it is and breadth of information, kenpom is there best out there. Other sites are great for specific teams, but Pomeroy is there best for the general fan. There's a little learning curve on how some of the metrics he uses differs from traditional stats, but once you get used to it there's no better site for quick, accurate statistical access for every team and contributing player in the country.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: wadesworld on November 16, 2016, 06:08:33 PM
Guessing the team will be in the building to watch Hank play in MSG tonight.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 16, 2016, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2016, 06:08:33 PM
Guessing the team will be in the building to watch Hank play in MSG tonight.

The d-league plays games in MSG?
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 16, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
vegasinsider has it bouncing back and forth depending on the casino with over/under consistent at 149 




Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: wadesworld on November 16, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 16, 2016, 06:24:03 PM
The d-league plays games in MSG?

No. But the New York Knicks do, and they host the Detroit Pistons tonight.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Smokin' Jae on November 16, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 16, 2016, 06:32:56 PM
vegasinsider has it bouncing back and forth depending on the casino with over/under consistent at 149
MU opened as 1-1.5 point dawgs, been bet up to a 1 point favorite on most books.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 16, 2016, 08:34:57 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
No. But the New York Knicks do, and they host the Detroit Pistons tonight.

Is he back up with the big boys?
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 16, 2016, 08:43:11 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 16, 2016, 08:34:57 PM
Is he back up with the big boys?

Yep. Got recalled after like one game.
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Newsdreams on November 16, 2016, 09:08:17 PM
Noce!
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/799067600726740993
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2016, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 16, 2016, 08:34:57 PM
Is he back up with the big boys?
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on November 14, 2016, 03:48:50 PM
Henry brought back to the  Pistons.

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/pistons-henry-ellenson-recalled-from-d-league/
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2016, 10:59:00 PM
This site is picking us to win
http://winnersandwhiners.com/games/ncaab/11-17-2016/michigan-vs-marquette-111716-preview-prediction/
Title: Re: 2-0. Onto Thursday
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 17, 2016, 04:31:00 AM
according to MU's stats-24 turnovers/2 games. doogie and markus with 4 each(33%).  does rockhurst really count?  this game will be a better barometer obviously.
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