I still want Tillman. Suddenly having 3 athletic 6'9 guys paired with Heldt and Hauser next year up front? Yes please. What would you like to see for the last schollie. IMO, a 2-3 type.
If not Tillman, then French (but if French committed tomorrow I would be good)
Cain with either one of them.
Even if we just get one of those three, I think we have filled some holes on this team. It may not be a highly rated class, but I think it would be important.
I agree with Sultan. Land one, fantastic. Land two, gravy. My pecking order is either Tillman or French for a big. Cain for a wing.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if our next two verbals come by the end of the month. I think BD's smoke today was just a thin vapor in the air.
Seems like the staff is making a push for Jamal Cain, so there's your 2-3 type.
In a couple years we could be looking at...
PG: Carter (JR)
Combo: Rowsey (SR), Duane (SR), Howard (SO)
2-3: Haanif (JR), Hauser (SO), Cain (FR)
3-4: Sandy (SR), Sacar (JR, if anyone can find him by then)
4: French or Tillman (FR)
4-5: Theo (FR), Ike (FR)
5: Heldt (JR)
Clearly I'm making a lot of assumptions. In '18, Bailey presumably is here, obviously there's a lot of emphasis on the younger Hauser, and another point guard looks like it could be a necessity.
I'm anticipating priority PG in the '18 class.
Hasahn French is the prototype Big East power forward who will do the lunch bucket stuff. A very good kid as well. Would love to close the deal with him.
Tillman has very soft hands and really knows how to work offensively in close.
I would be great to sign either of those two.
Nwora is a kid with enormous upside. Size and can shoot from all over. Coaches son .
Cain athletic, high motor plays in a very competitive high school environment. Height and Length.
I would love to sign either of these two.
As far as I am concerned. All four are fantastic and if comes down to the first two to say yes, I am fine with that.
One of Cain/Nwora. Preference would be Nwora but I think it will be Cain. One of Tillman/French. Preference and prediction is Xavier Tillman but would still love to have French.
I think you try and fill both spots and if you lose someone to transfer you fill them with a transfer or grad transfer.
This is a silly thread.
muguru says Wojo can't recruit, so why even bother speculating on what we'll do with these schollies?
I just wish guru were our coach. We'd be 5-starrin' up the yin-yang!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 13, 2016, 09:44:14 PM
One of Cain/Nwora. Preference would be Nwora but I think it will be Cain. One of Tillman/French. Preference and prediction is Xavier Tillman but would still love to have French.
I think you try and fill both spots and if you lose someone to transfer you fill them with a transfer or grad transfer.
I agree with this analysis.
I wouldn't be opposed to landing both Cain and Nwora if Tillman goes elsewhere.
French I know the least about but I'm a fan of puns; huge puntential with French (yes I just made up a word). For starters, I'll refer to all of his boards as "Freedom Rebounds".
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on September 13, 2016, 09:55:08 PM
I agree with this analysis.
I wouldn't be opposed to landing both Cain and Nwora if Tillman goes elsewhere.
French I know the least about but I'm a fan of puns; huge puntential with French (yes I just made up a word). For starters, I'll refer to all of his boards as "Freedom Rebounds".
Its a Family affair, we want Mr. French.
I'd like to see a PG, I'm not a believer in Carter....he's a backup PG in my mind. Bring energy and play defense. Nice player but don't see him taking a team to the final four. Plus I would be surprised to see another 4 commit with two already coming in, everyone wants to play right away.
For the next 2 years, they have Carter, Howard and Rowsey. If Carter can not do it, they have 2 others. I can see a point for 2018 at best.
There still is room for three, if somebody decides to leave early.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on September 14, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
I'd like to see a PG, I'm not a believer in Carter....he's a backup PG in my mind. Bring energy and play defense. Nice player but don't see him taking a team to the final four. Plus I would be surprised to see another 4 commit with two already coming in, everyone wants to play right away.
Not bringing in a Point this year. That would smack of 'recruiting over' Marcus and Traci to a lesser extent. You don't get top 30 kids going forward that way. Give em a chance.
Is Cain able?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on September 14, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
I'd like to see a PG, I'm not a believer in Carter....he's a backup PG in my mind. Bring energy and play defense. Nice player but don't see him taking a team to the final four. Plus I would be surprised to see another 4 commit with two already coming in, everyone wants to play right away.
I somewhat agree that it is unlikely that MU lands another 4 in this class. However, if you have enough 4's, you don't need a 5. We see that in the Big East all of the time. Nova just won a national championship with Ochefu as the only player on the team taller than 6'9. They had talented tall 3's who played as 4's and 5's. Honestly, if you told me that MU was going to have a team with four 6'8-6'9 230lb PF's rotating between the 4 and 5, and they all had game, a la the guys from Xavier, SJU, Villanova, SHU who have beaten us up recently, and no true 5's on the roster, I would be OK with that. I always thought Buzz's offense would have worked best with a couple of 6'9 stretch 4's rather than a true big. I can see the same with the 4-out/1-in stuff Wojo is going to run this year. So, I am glad MU had Fischer and Heldt this year and Heldt going forward. But if Wojo is able to land Eke/John types going forward, MU will be fine up front. These are the type of guys neither Crean nor Buzz landed. (other than McKay, and we know how that turned out)
Quote from: jsglow on September 14, 2016, 05:04:37 PM
Not bringing in a Point this year. That would smack of 'recruiting over' Marcus and Traci to a lesser extent. You don't get top 30 kids going forward that way. Give em a chance.
Blue bloods recruit over top 30 recruits every single year. Now I am not saying that we are a blue blood or that we need a point guard next year, but still.
If Xavier Tillman doesn't work out, I remain very interested in Epperson. Looks like he could be a nice player and a traditional 5, which John and Eke obviously are not. We'd be covered up front for a while.
Eke is very raw. I could see him redshirting if Wojo lands another big.
Tillman could backup the 4 and also rotate at the 5 with Heldt and John.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on September 14, 2016, 05:43:31 PM
Eke is very raw. I could see him redshirting if Wojo lands another big.
Tillman could backup the 4 and also rotate at the 5 with Heldt and John.
That makes total sense. If you look at Eke he has a very wide shoulder frame, will need 30 lbs. to go with it.
Good idea, when was the last time we redshirted a student-athlete for development?
Quote from: Blueprint on September 14, 2016, 06:42:58 PM
Good idea, when was the last time we redshirted a student-athlete for development?
Matt Mortenson?
That was a gamble that didn't pay off.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on September 14, 2016, 05:23:24 PM
Blue bloods recruit over top 30 recruits every single year. Now I am not saying that we are a blue blood or that we need a point guard next year, but still.
True of course. But I'm not sure KY ever recruits a kid under 30!
Quote from: MuMark on September 14, 2016, 07:27:49 PM
Matt Mortenson?
Mortenson was more recent, but O'Neal redshirted Amil McCaskil (sp) after his freshmen year and that worked out very well.
With the 6'8 Bailey in the fold for 2018 (assuming he still comes), would it be wise to start looking at more switchables and 2's?
Quote from: bilsu on September 14, 2016, 07:53:29 PM
Mortenson was more recent, but O'Neal redshirted Amil McCaskil (sp) after his freshmen year and that worked out very well.
Little known fact, Amal recorded his NBA career high in his first ever game, 9 pts. Never reached that again. But I was amazed that he played in parts of four NBA seasons
Quote from: esotericmindguy on September 14, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
I'd like to see a PG, I'm not a believer in Carter....he's a backup PG in my mind. Bring energy and play defense. Nice player but don't see him taking a team to the final four. Plus I would be surprised to see another 4 commit with two already coming in, everyone wants to play right away.
Looking at Athlon these team rosters have more than two 6'8" or taller frosh (Athlon does list rosters for every school):
Boston Co. 3 6'10", 6'10" 6'8"
Duke 5 6'11", 6'10", 6'10", 6'8", 6'8"
Uconn 3 6'9", 6'8", 6'8"
Rhode Island 3 6'10", 6'9" 6'8"
George Washington 3 6'10", 6'9", 6'9"
Kansas 3 7'0", 6'8", 6'8"
Kansas St 3 7'0", 6'10", 6'10"
West Virginia 4 6'11", 6'10", 6'8", 6'8"
Villanova 3 6'10", 6'8", 6'8"
Iowa 3 6'9", 6'9", 6'8"
Michigan 3 7'0", 6'10", 6'8"
Arizona St 5 6'10", 6'9", 6'9", 6'9", 6'9"
Utah 3 7'0", 6'11, 6'9"
Kentucky 4 6'10", 6'10", 6'10", 6'9"
Mississippi St. 3 6'11', 6'10", 6'9"
Missouri 3 6'10", 6'10", 6'10"
South Carolina 3 7'1", 6'9", 6'9"
Gonzaga 4 7'0", 6'10", 6'9", 6'8"
On the flip side counting all newcomers there were 12 teams that added one player under 6 feet and only three teams (MU, Purdue & Auburn) that added two players under 6 feet.
Quote from: tower912 on September 14, 2016, 05:05:38 PM
Is Cain able?
On the Eve of the signing deadline and at the Genesis of the issue, I don't give an Adam. Totally apples and oranges.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on September 14, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
I'd like to see a PG, I'm not a believer in Carter....he's a backup PG in my mind. Bring energy and play defense. Nice player but don't see him taking a team to the final four. Plus I would be surprised to see another 4 commit with two already coming in, everyone wants to play right away.
We aren't recruiting point guards in this cycle and John and Eke are both more 5 then 4 at least right now. As French said about his visit " they don't really have anyone like me".....I think we will add a 4. Most teams are going to have established guys already there.....we obviously don't have that issue.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on September 14, 2016, 04:56:52 PM
For the next 2 years, they have Carter, Howard and Rowsey. If Carter can not do it, they have 2 others. I can see a point for 2018 at best.
There still is room for three, if somebody decides to leave early.
Yep. Forgot about Howard. My fault. Shooting then, can't have enough shooters.
Quote from: tower912 on September 14, 2016, 07:46:13 PM
That was a gamble that didn't pay off.
I'm sad you haven't received props for this post. It was excellent.
Quote from: Bob "Big Daddy" Wild on September 15, 2016, 11:31:43 AM
I'm sad you haven't received props for this post. It was excellent.
Thanks. When indiscretions of MU players are discussed, for some reason MM's gambling issues never seem to get mentioned. Maybe because he never played for MU and maybe because he was a Crean recruit.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2006/05/freshman-matt-mortensen-dismissed-from.html
There are only so many things that are not related to academics that can render someone ineligible with the NCAA.
Quote from: tower912 on September 15, 2016, 12:52:00 PM
Thanks. When indiscretions of MU players are discussed, for some reason MM's gambling issues never seem to get mentioned. Maybe because he never played for MU and maybe because he was a Crean recruit.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2006/05/freshman-matt-mortensen-dismissed-from.html
There are only so many things that are not related to academics that can render someone ineligible with the NCAA.
Maybe it is has to do with the University taking the appropriate action in a timely fashion.
Quote from: bilsu on September 15, 2016, 01:46:42 PM
Maybe it is has to do with the University taking the appropriate action in a timely fashion.
Easy call - he was a lousy player.