Transferring from Kentucky. Mu should try to get him.With JJ and Reinhardt both leaving after this year, he could fill that spot.
As I've said elsewhere, no thanks. Not a need and not recruited by this staff.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 18, 2016, 07:29:17 PM
As I've said elsewhere, no thanks. Not a need and not recruited by this staff.
I don't understand why you wouldn't want him. He absolutely fills a need. We're gonna have 4 open schollies next year assuming no midseason transfers and he will still have 3 years of eligibility.
wait...transferring from kentucky? probably looking for agents and going NBA next year then-ein'er?
I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Four scholarships available and obviously at least one of those is going to go to a guy like Matthews so if there is an interest by Matthews, and Wojo feels he would fit, I'm good.
That being said, brew is right. There is no relationship there that I am aware of.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 18, 2016, 08:15:18 PM
I don't understand why you wouldn't want him. He absolutely fills a need. We're gonna have 4 open schollies next year assuming no midseason transfers and he will still have 3 years of eligibility.
If we're going for a long term wing, I'd rather a freshman that was available for four years. Why waste a year on a guy when you already have targets like Nojel Eastern that you have an established relationship with?
During the first two years of Matthews' hypothetical eligibility here, we'd have Rowsey, Duane, Cheatham, Anim, Howard, and Hauser all available. Just not a big need, and far more likely he'll go somewhere where he has a relationship established (Virginia Tech) than picking a school with coaches he doesn't know.
Don't mistake his interest in Marquette with Buzz for interest in Marquette in general.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 18, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
If we're going for a long term wing, I'd rather a freshman that was available for four years. Why waste a year on a guy when you already have targets like Nojel Eastern that you have an established relationship with?
During the first two years of Matthews' hypothetical eligibility here, we'd have Rowsey, Duane, Cheatham, Anim, Howard, and Hauser all available. Just not a big need, and far more likely he'll go somewhere where he has a relationship established (Virginia Tech) than picking a school with coaches he doesn't know.
Don't mistake his interest in Marquette with Buzz for interest in Marquette in general.
We'd only have Rowsey and Duane for one year of his eligibility, since he would presumably redshirt this year during his transfer year. During the first year he is eligible Duane and Rowsey would be seniors.
That said, I agree it doesn't make much sense.
Id certainly take him, but Any type of big should be much more of a priority.
IIRC, he'd be a three years of scholarship for two years of playing time. Can anyone confirm?
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on May 18, 2016, 09:07:00 PM
IIRC, he'd be a three years of scholarship for two years of playing time. Can anyone confirm?
Nope, 4 for 3
Worth a phone call.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 18, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
If we're going for a long term wing, I'd rather a freshman that was available for four years. Why waste a year on a guy when you already have targets like Nojel Eastern that you have an established relationship with?
Seen both of them play live. Would MUCH rather have Matthews than Eastern, and it's not even close.
Id take him in a heart beat but I just don't see it being remotely logical to happen.
Quote from: YoungsHeroes32 on May 18, 2016, 10:48:08 PM
Id take him in a heart beat but I just don't see it being remotely logical to happen.
I agree with this analysis.
Would be awesome to get him but we won't. Just another made up reason for Scoopers to chicken little over when he announces he's going elsewhere.
If we fill the scholarship, it should be with a big. Even if it's a transfer that has to sit out, just having the physical presence to practice against and having an experienced big ready for 2017 would be beneficial.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 19, 2016, 05:40:43 AM
If we fill the scholarship, it should be with a big. Even if it's a transfer that has to sit out, just having the physical presence to practice against and having an experienced big ready for 2017 would be beneficial.
+1.
I know we *need* a big, but I like playing fast scrappy ball. Even if it might limit the ceiling of our team, I'd really just like a squad of top tier guards and running the whole time.
I'd love another Ousmane Barro, though.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 18, 2016, 08:22:33 PM
I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Four scholarships available and obviously at least one of those is going to go to a guy like Matthews so if there is an interest by Matthews, and Wojo feels he would fit, I'm good.
That being said, brew is right. There is no relationship there that I am aware of.
When was da last time a cat transferred here that we had a prior relationship with? Walter Downing, hey?
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 19, 2016, 05:40:43 AM
If we fill the scholarship, it should be with a big. Even if it's a transfer that has to sit out, just having the physical presence to practice against and having an experienced big ready for 2017 would be beneficial.
Matthews is 6'6"-ish. In the world of MUBB, that IS a big, a''ina?!??
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 19, 2016, 07:52:40 AM
When was da last time a cat transferred here that we had a prior relationship with? Walter Downing, hey?
Good question.
My guess is that we are going to have to go all the way back to April 2016 when Katin Reinhardt transferred here based largely on his relationship with Stan Johnson.
Was that before or after Downing????
Don't forget Jamil Wilson.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on May 19, 2016, 10:29:38 AM
Jamil Wilson.
The "Lost Newbill Admission Paperwork" catalyst
Would love him here, especially to get a year of strength and conditioning -- he was an absolute stud in high school. He had offers from Kansas, Michigan St. and Illinois. My absolute doomsday scenario would be Bucky. I have no idea of their scholly situation, but he is super tight (like brothers) with the preferred walk-on they just signed last month from Fenwick in Chicago, Mike Ballard. Both played for Meanstreets in Chicago for AAU.
Wisconsin filled up with their signings of Trice and Ford.
I believe if Charles Matthews went to a school with a more normalized recruiting structure he would have had a very good freshman season and be poised for big things as a sophomore. Kids and families get caught up in being recruited by blue bloods but they need to understand there is risk as well. We should be all over this one . He will give us a quality practice player and then fit right in when he eligible. I am very concerned about Haanif turned pro after next season.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on May 19, 2016, 09:54:54 PM
I am very concerned about Haanif turned pro after next season.
Don't be
Quote from: RKMU123 on May 19, 2016, 10:21:27 PM
Don't be
If you say so then fine I won't be . However, Have you seen him recently? He looks like he has put on quite a bit of muscle. It could be a breakout year for him.
Haanif is very skilled, but like a lot of very good college players does not have NBA athleticsim. That makes him a four year player.
Quote from: RKMU123 on May 19, 2016, 10:21:27 PM
Don't be
Some Scoopers were very concerned about Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer turning pro before the start of last season, as well.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on May 20, 2016, 07:54:30 AM
Some Scoopers were very concerned about Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer turning pro before the start of last season, as well.
I remember that post - something along the lines of being worried "we are going to be so successful that we will lose all three to the draft" and the the cupboard will be BARE. Ahh those were the days
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 19, 2016, 09:05:28 PM
Wisconsin filled up with their signings of Trice and Ford.
If Nigel stays in draft thy would have 1
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on May 20, 2016, 08:03:40 AM
If Nigel stays in draft thy would have 1
Why doth thou sayeth this?
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on May 19, 2016, 09:54:54 PM
I am very concerned about Haanif turned pro after next season.
Says the guy who was still arguing halfway through the season that Henry would be here for four years.
You're a hoot.
Quote from: MU82 on May 20, 2016, 10:11:39 AM
Says the guy who was still arguing halfway through the season that Henry would be here for four years.
You're a hoot.
I admitted my mistake on that one.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on May 20, 2016, 10:20:52 AM
I admitted my mistake on that one.
That's more than a "mistake". It's the travesty that is your ability to comprehend..........anything.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on May 20, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
That's more than a "mistake". It's the travesty that is your ability to comprehend..........anything.
For the record I felt that it was family ties that would keep Henry in place for at least two years and that he would have a continuing upward progression as a player starting at Big East Rookie of the year (which he was) to Big East Player of the year which he was on track to become. With a chance to lead us to the promised land which I thought might have been personally compelling. Obviously his objective which he stated ,in his farewell, was the NBA. So I made a wrong analysis.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: 50_dolla on May 20, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
I agree with this analysis.
Great first post!! You should just change your name to "I agree with this analysis" and never post again. ;D
Crean sucks
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on May 20, 2016, 10:20:52 AM
I admitted my mistake on that one.
I was just givin' ya some grief.
Your "mistake" would be a little less funny if you hadn't made it, oh, hundreds of times. You couldn't resist making it several times in every Henry thread.
I understand. On the 1000-to-1 odds that it happened, you'd have been able to declare victory and would have had an "I told you so" moment akin to Heisy's with Trump.
And if it didn't happen, you'd just move on.
Except that nobody here just moves on. We have memories like elephants. And I have a nose like one, too.
In fact, I'm kind of craving peanuts right now.
Notes on Charles Matthews after I watched him for a weekend at USA Basketball training camp in 2012 (http://latenighthoops.com/tag/charles-matthews/#.Vz-lHvkrK00):
Charles Matthews (IL/6'4"170/2015) – Matthews is 6'4" and a long combo guard who looked great scoring off the dribble. Worked with the point guards at USA basketball mini-camp and has the potential to be a dangerous point guard. May wind up as a wing, but if he becomes a good defender and continues developing his lead guard skills, he could be spectacular. Lots of possibilities for Matthews.
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Now, he didn't progress during HS quite in the way I hoped he would and thought he had a *chance* to. Nonetheless, a lot of skill and talent there. If I were a program bringing him in, I'd feel pretty fortunate even at this stage.
I hope this particular candidate takes a long time to decide. I kind of like having a thread titled Charles Matthews. It has kind of an upscale cachet to it. It would be great if we could sign him for that reason alone. Although we would probably have to nickname The Prince.
Quote from: keefe on May 20, 2016, 10:04:34 AM
Why doth thou sayeth this?
Rumor is a team has given him a first round guarantee
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 22, 2016, 12:24:34 AM
Rumor is a team has given him a first round guarantee
What team in their right mind would have done that.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on May 20, 2016, 07:54:30 AM
Some Scoopers were very concerned about Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer turning pro before the start of last season, as well.
If you go back far enough, some scoopers thought Erik Williams would leave early for the NBA, ditto Todd Mayo after his freshman year.
Quote from: Heisenberg on May 22, 2016, 05:28:50 AM
If you go back far enough, some scoopers thought Erik Williams would leave early for the NBA
This is why Scoop is amazing. Forgot all about that guy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 19, 2016, 09:07:24 AM
Good question.
My guess is that we are going to have to go all the way back to April 2016 when Katin Reinhardt transferred here based largely on his relationship with Stan Johnson.
Was that before or after Downing????
Also Luke Fischer
Screw the NBA. It's terrible that they can take any talent they choose from college at any time. The NBA is totally boring to watch.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on May 22, 2016, 07:00:35 PM
Screw the NBA. It's terrible that they can take any talent they choose from college at any time. The NBA is totally boring to watch.
Turn on TNT for the next 2 hours then come back here and say that.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on May 22, 2016, 07:00:35 PM
Screw the NBA. It's terrible that they can take any talent they choose from college at any time. The NBA is totally boring to watch.
It's terrible that they can employ adults who are good at their profession?
Ironically I am watching the Warriors / Thunder game right now. Better basketball than any college game I've seen. I like college basketball but the NBA is far from boring.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on May 22, 2016, 07:00:35 PM
Screw the NBA. It's terrible that they can take any talent they choose from college at any time. The NBA is totally boring to watch.
Anybody who truly believes the NBA playoffs are boring is not a basketball fan. The playoffs have been mostly terrific, and these are as good athletes as there are in the world.
Even regular-season NBA games are filled with amazing feats by spectacular athletes, creating a lot of compelling reasons to watch. The problem is that the season is too long.
I love college basketball, especially Marquette basketball. It is a great "experience," particularly when one is at a game in person and rooting for a team. The NBA is a superior product, which isn't too surprising given that the players are so superior.
As for the NBA being able to "take any talent they choose from college at any time," that's as silly a complaint as it is false.
ComEd can take any engineering student from college at any time, even if said student hasn't graduated. The Milwaukee Symphony can take any trombone student from college at any time. So what's your point?
And the NBA, as per its own rules, can't take a player until he has finished his freshman season. Which is different than "at any time."
Grow up. Or better yet, watch a Warriors-Thunder game and learn something.
I watch a lot of college bball. I watch a ton of travel basketball. I watch some HS basketball.
I watch very little NBA basketball.
Shrug.
Quote from: MU82 on May 22, 2016, 08:00:38 PM
Anybody who truly believes the NBA playoffs are boring is not a basketball fan. The playoffs have been mostly terrific, and these are as good athletes as there are in the world.
Even regular-season NBA games are filled with amazing feats by spectacular athletes, creating a lot of compelling reasons to watch. The problem is that the season is too long.
I love college basketball, especially Marquette basketball. It is a great "experience," particularly when one is at a game in person and rooting for a team. The NBA is a superior product, which isn't too surprising given that the players are so superior.
As for the NBA being able to "take any talent they choose from college at any time," that's as silly a complaint as it is false.
ComEd can take any engineering student from college at any time, even if said student hasn't graduated. The Milwaukee Symphony can take any trombone student from college at any time. So what's your point?
And the NBA, as per its own rules, can't take a player until he has finished his freshman season. Which is different than "at any time."
Grow up. Or better yet, watch a Warriors-Thunder game and learn something.
Disagree. You grow up.
In my opinion, this year's NBA Playoffs has been the worst it's been in a long time...and they've still been pretty awesome. Last year's and the year before were both incredible.
after watching that GS-OKC game, 2 things
golden state may be running out of gas and OKC is hungry
NFL should be looking at draymond for his kicking abilities. i think they are still in the locker room with steven adams trying to push his boys back down from his eyeballs-ouchie!
bonus, 3rd observation-green doesn't have to be such an annoying beach just because he was basically overlooked in the draft-settle down and let your play do your talking rather than your mouth. act like ya been there. alright alright, you're good, now shut up and play
i haven't watched this much NBA since marcus johnson and sidney moncrief had the bucks in contention
Golden State's defense has been bad all playoffs. They managed to outscore Portland, but the Thunder are too good.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 23, 2016, 06:51:12 AM
Golden State's defense has been bad all playoffs. They managed to outscore Portland, but the Thunder are too good.
Very good analysis. OKC's defense is better than many think, and their rebounding is outstanding. I also agree that the Warriors' tank might be running a little low, as rocket suggested.
I also think Billy Donovan has been the league's most underrated coach all season. He's done a fine job, and especially so in the playoffs. His refusal to "go small" just because the Warriors go small has helped set the tone of the series. He's saying, "I'll play the lineup I want, and
you have to adjust to
us!"
It results in some mismatches which can result in Curry and others getting open looks, but it usually shuts off the driving lanes and it helps the Thunder completely dominate the boards. GS can't run if it can't get the rebounds.
I have found myself rooting for OKC, and I imagine that will continue through the Finals if the Thunder can beat the Warriors. Even though I don't love it when their offense breaks down and results in Durant or Westbrook going 1-on-1, I like the team's scrappiness on D. I like the way their role players know what they are supposed to do. And, yes, Durant and Westbrook are extremely exciting players. It's hard to think of many equivalents to either of them in basketball history.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 23, 2016, 06:51:12 AM
Golden State's defense has been bad all playoffs. They managed to outscore Portland, but the Thunder are too good.
Their points allowed per 100 possessions was basically equal to last year before last night's game.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on May 23, 2016, 05:02:32 PM
Their points allowed per 100 possessions was basically equal to last year before last night's game.
Here's my question. If they don't win the NBA finals does that make the 73 wins invalid? I'm not saying they cheated or anything like that but I wouldn't consider the NBA playoffs a crap shoot because it's 7 game series and it's not like Curry isn't playing this season.
I'll say it definitely diminishes the regular season results, just like the Mariners in 2001
Back to Charles Matthews though, I know someone here mentioned Nojel Eastern, here's my scouting report on him. Has good basketball skills but is just not ready athletically, really slow, not very strong and doesn't really assert his will over smaller players like he should. Had a chance to talk to him and he's a really nice kid but just from an athletic stand point he will struggle at least his first year in college, Maybe 2.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 23, 2016, 05:44:43 PM
Back to Charles Matthews though, I know someone here mentioned Nojel Eastern, here's my scouting report on him. Has good basketball skills but is just not ready athletically, really slow, not very strong and doesn't really assert his will over smaller players like he should. Had a chance to talk to him and he's a really nice kid but just from an athletic stand point he will struggle at least his first year in college, Maybe 2.
Thanks for reporting this. Nice that you got to speak with him. Sounds like a good candidate for the weight room.
Quote from: MU82 on May 23, 2016, 08:13:51 AM
I also think Billy Donovan has been the league's most underrated coach all season.
Agreed. I think this is by far the biggest improvement in OKC. Brooks was a brutal NBA coach.
The 2nd factor are the bigs for OKC. Adams has become a better player than I thought - I figured he'd spend 10 years in the league getting 10-12 minutes a game. And, Kanter is a really good young player.
Quote from: bilsu on May 20, 2016, 07:21:21 AM
Haanif is very skilled, but like a lot of very good college players does not have NBA athleticsim. That makes him a four year player.
I disagree. I think he does have the athleticism. He just does not have a well-rounded game yet.
Quote from: brandx on May 23, 2016, 07:13:46 PM
I disagree. I think he does have the athleticism. He just does not have a well-rounded game yet.
Plus Tax
It there and it will come.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 23, 2016, 05:41:07 PM
Here's my question. If they don't win the NBA finals does that make the 73 wins invalid? I'm not saying they cheated or anything like that but I wouldn't consider the NBA playoffs a crap shoot because it's 7 game series and it's not like Curry isn't playing this season.
I'll say it definitely diminishes the regular season results, just like the Mariners in 2001
I'm a big Warriors/Curry guy so I'm admittedly biased, but I don't think it invalidates it. OKC is a really good team. So is Cleveland.
Curry being out for 6 games I think messed with their rhythm a little bit. I don't think it diminishes anything they did in the regular season, although it probably ensures the 96 Bulls will still be seen (rightfully) as the best team of all time.
Quote from: brandx on May 23, 2016, 07:13:46 PM
I disagree. I think he does have the athleticism. He just does not have a well-rounded game yet.
I dunno man, he looked soooo slow last time I saw him play. Got into early foul trouble because of it.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 23, 2016, 08:23:33 PM
I dunno man, he looked soooo slow last time I saw him play. Got into early foul trouble because of it.
Haanif?
Quote from: forgetful on May 22, 2016, 01:24:55 AM
What team in their right mind would have done that.
Boston. They have 8 picks
Quote from: brandx on May 23, 2016, 07:13:46 PM
I disagree. I think he does have the athleticism. He just does not have a well-rounded game yet.
He's plenty quick and gets to the rim pretty easily, but his game is still very much below the rim. If he could drive while Fischer seals the lane off and throw down a dunk (we've seen this from JJ a few times), I would think he has the athleticism. However I remember him barely getting up for a dunk on a wide open fast break. Is dunking the be-all, end-all for athleticism? No, but NBA scouts certainly take leaping ability into account. Haanif is crafty enough to get in the lane and sneak his layups in over the college bigs, but I picture him getting swatted consistently against the trees in the NBA. I agree that his game isn't well-rounded enough at this stage, but athleticism is a part of that. Will be stunned if he leaves early for the NBA. Looking forward to 3 more years of HC as I think he will be a superstar upperclassman for us.
Haanif would not be considered an athletic NBA player.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 24, 2016, 08:41:01 AM
Haanif would not be considered an athletic NBA player.
Agree.
I'd call Haanif a decent college athlete. He certainly isn't "explosive" or "outstanding" in that department. He can make up for it in other ways - quick first step, intelligence, craftiness, etc - and he already did a lot of that last year.
I see absolutely no reason why he can't be an all-conference level performer, maybe as soon as this season. But those thinking he already has one foot out the door to the NBA ... please.
Quote from: MU82 on May 24, 2016, 09:40:15 AM
Agree.
I'd call Haanif a decent college athlete. He certainly isn't "explosive" or "outstanding" in that department. He can make up for it in other ways - quick first step, intelligence, craftiness, etc - and he already did a lot of that last year.
I see absolutely no reason why he can't be an all-conference level performer, maybe as soon as this season. But those thinking he already has one foot out the door to the NBA ... please.
I agree. If he doesn't " go Vander" on us. He "should" be a four year guy.
His game has a long way to go to be NBA ready
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 24, 2016, 08:41:01 AM
Haanif would not be considered an athletic NBA player.
not yet-ein'er? i don't recall a dude named jimmy b. being NBA anything right up to the draft. haanif had a really good freshman year. probably the surprise of the class. cheezus, he may not even be done growing. i'm not saying he's a lock tol be an NBA'er, but with 3 more years of balling with the big boys, anything can happen. just ask JB
JB played 1 year of JC ,3 years of college and had NBA athleticism.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 24, 2016, 01:57:35 PM
not yet-ein'er? i don't recall a dude named jimmy b. being NBA anything right up to the draft. haanif had a really good freshman year. probably the surprise of the class. cheezus, he may not even be done growing. i'm not saying he's a lock tol be an NBA'er, but with 3 more years of balling with the big boys, anything can happen. just ask JB
Haanif can be an absolute stud. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he had a long, productive NBA career based on a feasible trajectory.
Quote from: MuMark on May 24, 2016, 05:47:38 PM
JB played 1 year of JC ,3 years of college and had NBA athleticism.
well, we can make that statement about a lot of basketball players.
tell me honestly what people were thinking pre-draft. i don't think many thought he would even be chosen and would have to try to earn his way onto a team via the post draft free agent way. jimmy had some intangibles that you couldn't measure. if someone posted that jimmy was going to be an NBA super star, i need to see it. don't get me wrong. i'm proud as chit he's doing as well as he is as i continue to rib my daughter in law for turning down his repeated attempts to go out with her-before she met my son of course :P
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 24, 2016, 06:05:32 PM
well, we can make that statement about a lot of basketball players.
tell me honestly what people were thinking pre-draft. i don't think many thought he would even be chosen and would have to try to earn his way onto a team via the post draft free agent way. jimmy had some intangibles that you couldn't measure. if someone posted that jimmy was going to be an NBA super star, i need to see it. don't get me wrong. i'm proud as chit he's doing as well as he is as i continue to rib my daughter in law for turning down his repeated attempts to go out with her-before she met my son of course :P
Jimmy Butler was projected at #33 in the last mock 2011 draft by Draft Express. He was picked #30.
I think it was pretty well known that he would be drafted just before the draft started.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 24, 2016, 06:39:56 PM
Jimmy Butler was projected at #33 in the last mock 2011 draft by Draft Express. He was picked #30.
I think it was pretty well known that he would be drafted just before the draft started.
Agreed-I fully expected him to be drafted, and was only a bit surprised that he made it in the first round. The biggest surprise has been how dramatically he has improved since getting to the league.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 23, 2016, 05:44:43 PM
Back to Charles Matthews though, I know someone here mentioned Nojel Eastern, here's my scouting report on him. Has good basketball skills but is just not ready athletically, really slow, not very strong and doesn't really assert his will over smaller players like he should. Had a chance to talk to him and he's a really nice kid but just from an athletic stand point he will struggle at least his first year in college, Maybe 2.
Was thinking the MU / Nojel ship had started to sail away some time ago... a''ina? Always fluid situations, but...
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 24, 2016, 06:05:32 PM
well, we can make that statement about a lot of basketball players.
tell me honestly what people were thinking pre-draft. i don't think many thought he would even be chosen and would have to try to earn his way onto a team via the post draft free agent way. jimmy had some intangibles that you couldn't measure. if someone posted that jimmy was going to be an NBA super star, i need to see it. don't get me wrong. i'm proud as chit he's doing as well as he is as i continue to rib my daughter in law for turning down his repeated attempts to go out with her-before she met my son of course :P
Nobody expected him to be a star but everyone that was paying attention expected him to be drafted end of first to middle of 2nd round.
Quote from: MuMark on May 24, 2016, 06:57:54 PM
Nobody expected him to be a star but everyone that was paying attention expected him to be drafted end of first to middle of 2nd round.
Ok ok, uncle, uncle...I missed the draft part. Back to my real point- I think haanif has some real potential, the tools and time on his side. If he has a good work ethic and I'm sure he does, he could end up being another Cinderella story
Haanif needs a better right hand, a far better mid-range game and a better handle.
All of those can be improved with hard work, and here's hoping he's doing that right now.
Even without those things, he was a good college player as a freshman. He's got a good first step, he's intelligent, he has a nice stroke from 3, he's a good finisher. Add those other things to his game and he can be an excellent college player.
Only after he adds those things and we see how good he has become can any of us make any kind of NBA projection. Without those improvements, he is only a little closer to the NBA than Ners.
Quote from: MU82 on May 25, 2016, 08:59:23 AM
Haanif needs a better right hand, a far better mid-range game and a better handle.
All of those can be improved with hard work, and here's hoping he's doing that right now.
Even without those things, he was a good college player as a freshman. He's got a good first step, he's intelligent, he has a nice stroke from 3, he's a good finisher. Add those other things to his game and he can be an excellent college player.
Only after he adds those things and we see how good he has become can any of us make any kind of NBA projection. Without those improvements, he is only a little closer to the NBA than Ners.
I agree 100% percent about Hanif, unless he finds a mid-range jump shot, he will not improve. It will not be as easy to get to the hoop this year without Henry out there, as the scouting report will advise the defensive player to get up on him on the three, stop that, then he will drive to the hoop but a big will waiting
this year for him.
I still think Haanif might find it a lot harder going this year without Henry. It is hard for me to equate how much Henry benefited other players, but I think he had a huge positive effect on their offensive play given his versatility and the ability to pass the ball. The other team always had to worry about Henry and him not being there has to have a huge effect.
Quote from: bilsu on May 25, 2016, 12:41:54 PM
I still think Haanif might find it a lot harder going this year without Henry. It is hard for me to equate how much Henry benefited other players, but I think he had a huge positive effect on their offensive play given his versatility and the ability to pass the ball. The other team always had to worry about Henry and him not being there has to have a huge effect.
Yes and no. Certainly Henry drew some extra attention. But I imagine our driving lanes will be a little more spacious this year with the addition of 4 good outside shooters. Since Haanif's strength is his ability to drive, that will help. Offense is gonna look much different this year. At least I hope. I'm all for paint touches, but they were so forced last year. Hoping for a much more fluid offense this year.
Anyways, how about that Charles Matthews fella?
Quote from: RKMU123 on May 25, 2016, 01:11:24 PM
Yes and no. Certainly Henry drew some extra attention. But I imagine our driving lanes will be a little more spacious this year with the addition of 4 good outside shooters. Since Haanif's strength is his ability to drive, that will help. Offense is gonna look much different this year. At least I hope. I'm all for paint touches, but they were so forced last year. Hoping for a much more fluid offense this year.
Anyways, how about that Charles Matthews fella?
I would take him. I like transfers that have to sit. We get to 13 players and do not have to worry about finding playing time for 13th player.
Quote from: bilsu on May 25, 2016, 01:37:08 PM
I would take him. I like transfers that have to sit. We get to 13 players and do not have to worry about finding playing time for 13th player.
I agree with this analysis.
Charles was a good contributor last year to a stacked Kentucky team. Well maybe not stacked but they had so many good players on their team like Ulis, Murray, Labissiere, Briscoe and Poythress came back after sitting out a season because he tore his ACL.
Visited Michigan last weekend. Xavier this weekend.
Hanny will average 15+ points per game this year, which is amazing for a soph. The kid can straight up play. Love his game. Him and JJ will lead the team in scoring, IMO.
Just win baby.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 16, 2016, 01:12:14 PM
Visited Michigan last weekend. Xavier this weekend.
We need him to visit MU.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 16, 2016, 04:25:58 PM
Or else?
Or else he will go to our rival. We want him on our team.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 16, 2016, 04:36:49 PM
Or else he will go to our rival. We want him on our team.
Does Wojo?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 16, 2016, 04:37:32 PM
Does Wojo?
Hopefully he and the staff are working this order hard. I am not sure why they would not want him. He has to sit a year and then we will have two guys graduate whose shoes he could step into. Also we may lose another good guy to the pros. So yes I am sure they are on the list of suitors for this young man.
Zero Marquette interest for Matthews. There's no way at least one tweet wouldn't have leaked out. The last tweet linking Marquette and Matthews was from February 2014. Not happening.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 16, 2016, 04:36:49 PM
Or else he will go to our rival. We want him on our team.
Pretty sure Michigan's not our rival.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on June 17, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
Pretty sure Michigan's not our rival.
The hell it ain't.
They stole our colors!
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on June 17, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
Pretty sure Michigan's not our rival.
Pretty sure Xavier's our rival.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 17, 2016, 09:13:41 AM
Pretty sure Xavier's our rival.
But if he picks Michigan over Xavier.....
From Jeff Goodman: "Kentucky transfer Charles Matthews is headed to Michigan, source told ESPN."
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 21, 2016, 01:08:35 PM
From Jeff Goodman: "Kentucky transfer Charles Matthews is headed to Michigan, source told ESPN."
Wojo can't recruit
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 21, 2016, 01:08:35 PM
From Jeff Goodman: "Kentucky transfer Charles Matthews is headed to Michigan, source told ESPN."
At least it wasnt Xavier.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 21, 2016, 02:19:58 PM
At least it wasnt Xavier.
Why? The more talent in the Big East, the better.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 21, 2016, 02:32:45 PM
Why? The more talent in the Big East, the better.
That is a good point .I was on that theme last year. I guess Now that we are getting better the rivalry mode is kicking in and I can see Mathews being an effective player with meaningful playing time.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 21, 2016, 04:01:51 PM
That is a good point .I was on that theme last year. I guess Now that we are getting better the rivalry mode is kicking in and I can see Mathews being an effective player with meaningful playing time.
Yes, and as TAMU Eagle said, the more talent in the Big East, the better. Good post season teams usually come from leagues where they were challenged by great players.
Just read that Charles Matthews is probably headed to Michigan
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 22, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Just read that Charles Matthews is probably headed to Michigan
With Sacar?
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 22, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Just read that Charles Matthews is probably headed to Michigan
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Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 22, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Just read that Charles Matthews is probably headed to Michigan
Where did you read that? 6 posts up?
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on June 21, 2016, 05:26:19 PM
Yes, and as TAMU Eagle said, the more talent in the Big East, the better. Good post season teams usually come from leagues where they were challenged by great players.
I think its far more likely that good post season teams are those that land great players themselves--irrespective of the other talent in the league. Being in a league where you're challenged by great players is irrelevant--just compare Gonzaga to Northwestern.
Plus, over the past few years we've seen teams from the Horizon (twice), American, Missouri Valley, and Colonial make the final four--and nobody would argue that you get challenged by lots of great talent in any of those conferences.
At this point, the league has more than enough overall talent to generate an acceptable amount of national respect.
Which means that if the other teams get stronger, it harms MU's chance at success. We don't help our chances of reaching the tournament next year by losing two games to Xavier. And had Matthews gone with Xavier, it would have done nothing but increase the chance that Xavier tags us with those two losses.
We should be glad Xavier isn't getting any stronger.
I'm not suggesting we should hope for Summit or Horizon league levels of talent--just that we'd be better off in a situation like Gonzaga, where there are only one or two teams with a concentration of talent.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 22, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Just read that Charles Matthews is probably headed to Michigan
Vintage Earl
Quote from: The Equalizer on June 23, 2016, 07:49:51 AM
I think its far more likely that good post season teams are those that land great players themselves--irrespective of the other talent in the league. Being in a league where you're challenged by great players is irrelevant--just compare Gonzaga to Northwestern.
Plus, over the past few years we've seen teams from the Horizon (twice), American, Missouri Valley, and Colonial make the final four--and nobody would argue that you get challenged by lots of great talent in any of those conferences.
At this point, the league has more than enough overall talent to generate an acceptable amount of national respect.
Which means that if the other teams get stronger, it harms MU's chance at success. We don't help our chances of reaching the tournament next year by losing two games to Xavier. And had Matthews gone with Xavier, it would have done nothing but increase the chance that Xavier tags us with those two losses.
We should be glad Xavier isn't getting any stronger.
I'm not suggesting we should hope for Summit or Horizon league levels of talent--just that we'd be better off in a situation like Gonzaga, where there are only one or two teams with a concentration of talent.
I wonder, if with the same talent over the years, if Gonzaga would of fared better in the NCAA tournament had they been playing in the Big 10 all of those years. You are either good enough to make the tournament or you are not. Playing against good teams better prepares you for the NCAA tournament, so I would argue it helps us to have the rest of the league stronger. We do not belong in the tournament, if we cannot compete with the tournament caliber teams. We fared quite well when we were in the old Big East.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2016, 08:54:16 AM
I wonder, if with the same talent over the years, if Gonzaga would of fared better in the NCAA tournament had they been playing in the Big 10 all of those years. You are either good enough to make the tournament or you are not. Playing against good teams better prepares you for the NCAA tournament, so I would argue it helps us to have the rest of the league stronger. We do not belong in the tournament, if we cannot compete with the tournament caliber teams. We fared quite well when we were in the old Big East.
I don't think George Mason would've been a NCAA Tournament team in 2006 had they been playing in the Big East, but they made the Final Four because they played in a weak conference, got in, and got hot at the right time.
On Charles Matthews--Source informed ESPN according to the Detroit Free Press 2 days ago.
Guys, good source told me that Ike Eke committed to Marquette over the weekend.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 23, 2016, 12:11:23 PM
On Charles Matthews--Source informed ESPN according to the Detroit Free Press 2 days ago.
What do you think of the rumors swirling around that Henry might declare for the draft?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 23, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
Guys, good source told me that Ike Eke committed to Marquette over the weekend.
Source? 8-)
Espn reporter Jeff Goodman. Scout Com--Evan Daniels confirmed the report with Matthews'
HS Coach Gary DeCesare
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 23, 2016, 12:47:33 PM
Espn reporter Jeff Goodman. Scout Com--Evan Daniels confirmed the report with Matthews'
HS Coach Gary DeCesare
Thanks for the details. It is too bad, as I thought he would be a nice pick up for us.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 23, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
I don't think George Mason would've been a NCAA Tournament team in 2006 had they been playing in the Big East, but they made the Final Four because they played in a weak conference, got in, and got hot at the right time.
Yes, but you are comparing a mid-major conference to a major conference that gets multiple bids. The Big East should generally get 5 bids.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2016, 01:08:10 PM
Yes, but you are comparing a mid-major conference to a major conference that gets multiple bids. The Big East should generally get 5 bids.
The Big East in 2006 got 8 bids.
You said you wondered if Gonzaga might have been better off in the NCAA Tournament had they played in a tougher conference, like the B1G. Gonzaga has gotten a 1 seed which gives them a much easier path through the NCAA Tournament than if they played in the B1G and were middle of the pack and had to fight to get a 7 seed.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 23, 2016, 12:47:33 PM
Espn reporter Jeff Goodman. Scout Com--Evan Daniels confirmed the report with Matthews'
HS Coach Gary DeCesare
The point everyone is trying to make is that you were about 30 hours late reporting this, as it had already been announced and discussed in this thread.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 23, 2016, 02:00:01 PM
The point everyone is trying to make is that you were about 30 hours late reporting this, as it had already been announced and discussed in this thread.
Earl gets credit for doing due diligence and giving a source.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 23, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
I don't think George Mason would've been a NCAA Tournament team in 2006 had they been playing in the Big East, but they made the Final Four because they played in a weak conference, got in, and got hot at the right time.
Time to move to the Horizon, huh?
Got any reasons why George Mason wouldn't have made it from the Big East? They were 27-8 overall and 15-3 in not too shaby a conference which made them regular season champs. BTW, eight teams from the Big East made it that year.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 23, 2016, 01:17:34 PM
The Big East in 2006 got 8 bids.
You said you wondered if Gonzaga might have been better off in the NCAA Tournament had they played in a tougher conference, like the B1G. Gonzaga has gotten a 1 seed which gives them a much easier path through the NCAA Tournament than if they played in the B1G and were middle of the pack and had to fight to get a 7 seed.
There are a lot of Gonzaga teams that exited the NCAA tournament prior to what they should have based on their seed. A #1 seed is seen as a final four team and I do not think they made the elite 8. It is my belief that what hurts Gonzaga in the tournament is the level of their conference competition. Maybe playing in a power six conference their win total drops from 29 to 23 wins, but they still would of been in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2016, 05:35:00 PM
There are a lot of Gonzaga teams that exited the NCAA tournament prior to what they should have based on their seed. A #1 seed is seen as a final four team and I do not think they made the elite 8. It is my belief that what hurts Gonzaga in the tournament is the level of their conference competition. Maybe playing in a power six conference their win total drops from 29 to 23 wins, but they still would of been in the NCAA tournament.
It is my belief that year in and year out Gonzaga gets overrated so people think they can hang with the big boys but the reality is they just aren't that talented. If they played in a top 4 conference I think they'd be a Pitt type team. Have some really good years, and have some years where they don't make the Tournament. As they are they can pretty much sleep walk to a top 5 seed every year unless they're really down. Ironically, the year they were really down (this year) was the year they actually made a little run in the Tournament.
Other argumenta for its better when good players we don't get go to other Big East teams are boosting recruiting by MU being more attractive to kids who want to play against the best, and increasing the number of Big East teams in the NCAA tourney with the resulting tourney shares for the conference.
Hey Earl.. I'm hearing rumors the Bucks and MU will be playing in a new arena downtown in a few years... any truth to this?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 25, 2016, 08:17:53 AM
Hey Earl.. I'm hearing rumors the Bucks and MU will be playing in a new arena downtown in a few years... any truth to this?
Depends on how the votes throughout the state go and where the funds might come from.
anything changes in the mock draft projections? i know i'm going to catch some chit here, but i have HE projected to go #18 to detroit, with the bucks passing him up and picking a 7' dude named maker at #10
Quote from: wadesworld on June 25, 2016, 12:08:42 PM
Depends on how the votes throughout the state go and where the funds might come from.
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Quote from: Herman Cain on May 19, 2016, 09:54:54 PM
I believe if Charles Matthews went to a school with a more normalized recruiting structure he would have had a very good freshman season and be poised for big things as a sophomore. Kids and families get caught up in being recruited by blue bloods but they need to understand there is risk as well. We should be all over this one . He will give us a quality practice player and then fit right in when he eligible. I am very concerned about Haanif turned pro after next season.
ooops
Quote from: Charlotte Warrior on January 29, 2019, 11:55:45 AM
ooops
Athletic wing that is way over rated, very inconsistent, lucky to make the pros. Coach Cal even makes mistakes on talent, he did there. He is OK at Michigan but
not great, average player.
I hope MU passes UM in the polls so I can start a "Matthews" thread wondering how he feels looking up at us in the polls!
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 29, 2019, 12:26:56 PM
Athletic wing that is way over rated, very inconsistent, lucky to make the pros. Coach Cal even makes mistakes on talent, he did there. He is OK at Michigan but
not great, average player.
He's much more than average
What an odd thread bump
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 26, 2016, 05:40:34 AM
anything changes in the mock draft projections? i know i'm going to catch some chit here, but i have HE projected to go #18 to detroit, with the bucks passing him up and picking a 7' dude named maker at #10
Well done, rocket.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 29, 2019, 01:10:14 PM
Well done, rocket.
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Quote from: Pakuni on January 29, 2019, 01:10:14 PM
Well done, rocket.
Thanks buddy...ya wouldn't wanna hear where where I got that from, but for many, he does know what he's talking about. So I'm not really opening up a draft website quite yet😁