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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on April 05, 2016, 08:34:09 AM
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If the outcome was reversed, if Nova had come from 10 down in the last four minutes only to lose at the buzzer, what would you think about...
Jay Wright?
The Big East's place in the basketball universe?
Whether it was an all-time great final?
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We'd be hearing endless stories about the mighty P5...and how Villanova was a scrappy underdog that couldn't get it done. The ACC-ESPN love fest would be out of control.
Instead, the Big East has firmly re-established itself as a major player. Congrats and thank you, 'nova.
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Jay Wright's game plan worked wonderfully. He definitely out coached no matter the outcome. Very impressed with their play all tournament. Great ambassador school for the BE.
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If the outcome was reversed, if Nova had come from 10 down in the last four minutes only to lose at the buzzer, what would you think about...
Jay Wright?
The Big East's place in the basketball universe?
Whether it was an all-time great final?
Ellenson would reverse course to save the Big East.
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If I looked hard enough I could find quotes from Scoopers claiming that Wright had lost it.
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It was a great game regardless. When Nova was surging back into the lead, I was in a group text. Two cheering for Nova, 1 for UNC, 1 neutral. Everyone agreed during and after that it was an all timer. Great cap to one of the best CBB seasons in memory. Too bad we weren't more relevant, but 2015-16 was one of my favorite seasons ever.
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In my mind this was an all time great final no matter who won. It was close the whole way - had give and take from both teams on some fantastic runs - had the feeling that each possession was special/important - had last second heroics (even before the VU three). It reminded me of the Duke-Butler game - that one would have been an all-time great if that last second shot just went in. If you walk away from that game criticizing one of those coaches - you are just looking for problems.
That being said the BEast narrative could change a bit from here forward. Tougher for ESPN to take pot-shots -- I like that.
I hope the conference capitalizes on this by doing something unique -- being the first conference to embrace cord cutting (along with FS1) or some other innovation to the game.
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In my mind this was an all time great final no matter who won. It was close the whole way - had give and take from both teams on some fantastic runs - had the feeling that each possession was special/important - had last second heroics (even before the VU three). It reminded me of the Duke-Butler game - that one would have been an all-time great if that last second shot just went in. If you walk away from that game criticizing one of those coaches - you are just looking for problems.
That being said the BEast narrative could change a bit from here forward. Tougher for ESPN to take pot-shots -- I like that.
I hope the conference capitalizes on this by doing something unique -- being the first conference to embrace cord cutting (along with FS1) or some other innovation to the game.
The rest of the conference can tell players on the recruiting trail that BE teams can win national championships.
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If the outcome was reversed, if Nova had come from 10 down in the last four minutes only to lose at the buzzer, what would you think about...
Jay Wright?
The Big East's place in the basketball universe?
Whether it was an all-time great final?
Win, or lose, Jay Wright had a great game plan that was built on the strengths of his players and the players executed the plan. The four guards cut off the passing lanes on defence and moved the ball and hit their shots on offence.
The Big East would be way out in the planetary orbit ... probably between Neptune and Pluto. The Villanova win was huge for the credibility of the Big East, as reflected in articles in the NYTimes, WashPost, etc.
It was a great game. However, what made it truly great where the last two three point shots.
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If I looked hard enough I could find quotes from Scoopers claiming that Wright had lost it.
You are right about that. Wish Wojo had "lost it" like Wright. Wright has done a great job. Meanwhile, MU is in the middle of the pack of BEast with "superior" talent as compared to Villanova. Based on recruiting past several years:
2016 MU ranked 13; Nova 46
2015 MU ranked 13; Nova 30
2014 MU not ranked; Nova 46
2013 MU ranked 7; Nova 32
Yup--Wright has lost it.
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I'm so sick of the Gottlieb's of the world making this out to be gritty but untalented Villanova "upsetting" almighty North Carolina. North Carolina was a crummy 3 point shooting team who had a remarkable shooting night and Villanova still controlled the game for almost the entire second half. If both teams shoot it the way they normally do Villanova wins by double digits. But, but, what about the Tar Heels' "big men" disappearing? Well, so did Kansas star Perry Ellis. That's what can happen when quick, physical guards pressure the perimeter (it's what every knowledgeable Warrior fan was begging TC to do against Stanford - to no avail).
Villanova was no Cinderella. They were the best team in the tournament, beat two #1s, a #2 and a #3. Carolina, Kansas and the other blue bloods didn't beat anybody.
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If I looked hard enough I could find quotes from Scoopers claiming that Wright had lost it.
and dresses like crap
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I am waiting for the Jay Wright to BCS School X speculation to begin...
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I am waiting for the Jay Wright to BCS School X speculation to begin...
No way. He's a lifer at Nova, having been an assistant to Massimino back in the late 80s
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No way. He's a lifer at Nova, having been an assistant to Massimino back in the late 80s
I was kidding...
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I'm so sick of the Gottlieb's of the world making this out to be gritty but untalented Villanova "upsetting" almighty North Carolina. North Carolina was a crummy 3 point shooting team who had a remarkable shooting night and Villanova still controlled the game for almost the entire second half. If both teams shoot it the way they normally do Villanova wins by double digits. But, but, what about the Tar Heels' "big men" disappearing? Well, so did Kansas star Perry Ellis. That's what can happen when quick, physical guards pressure the perimeter (it's what every knowledgeable Warrior fan was begging TC to do against Stanford - to no avail).
Villanova was no Cinderella. They were the best team in the tournament, beat two #1s, a #2 and a #3. Carolina, Kansas and the other blue bloods didn't beat anybody.
Well said Lenny.
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No way. He's a lifer at Nova, having been an assistant to Massimino back in the late 80s
We'll see. I could see a NBA team making a run at him.
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We'll see. I could see a NBA team making a run at him.
Didn't he turn down a couple NBA offers a few years ago? I think it was the 76ers but still
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In my mind this was an all time great final no matter who won. It was close the whole way - had give and take from both teams on some fantastic runs - had the feeling that each possession was special/important - had last second heroics (even before the VU three). It reminded me of the Duke-Butler game - that one would have been an all-time great if that last second shot just went in. If you walk away from that game criticizing one of those coaches - you are just looking for problems.
You take out the final shot, and that game was a run of the mill clunker. Neither team shot that well.
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You take out the final shot, and that game was a run of the mill clunker. Neither team shot that well.
You are right - I went back to the box score - must have over-romanticized it based on the final play and the fact it was a close game.
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You take out the final shot, and that game was a run of the mill clunker. Neither team shot that well.
What game did you watch?
Villavova
58.3% FG
57.1% From 3
UNC
42.9% FG
64.7% From 3
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If the outcome was reversed, if Nova had come from 10 down in the last four minutes only to lose at the buzzer, what would you think about...
Jay Wright?
The Big East's place in the basketball universe?
Whether it was an all-time great final?
It was a great game. But all time gets thrown around a lot. The 1989 final was just as exciting with Seton Hall falling to Michigan 80-79 in the last seconds. I believe a foul call ended the game if I recall correctly.
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What game did you watch?
Villavova
58.3% FG
57.1% From 3
UNC
42.9% FG
64.7% From 3
Oops, sorry didn't see the Butler/Duke bolded on this monitor at first, thought you meant last night.
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Didn't he turn down a couple NBA offers a few years ago? I think it was the 76ers but still
I remember seeing an interview with him over the weekend and being asked about NBA jobs. I don't recall his exact wording, but I remember thinking to myself, "that is exactly what everyone on Scoop wanted to hear our coach say regarding other job offers". It was pretty clear he wasn't interested in another job.
So...expect to hear he took another job within the week.
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It's hard not to enjoy a game that Raf is enjoying - I wish MU games had no other announcer besides him (no play by play, just Raf).
Curious, did anyone watch the "team stream" call for either side?
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We'd be hearing endless stories about the mighty P5...and how Villanova was a scrappy underdog that couldn't get it done. The ACC-ESPN love fest would be out of control.
Instead, the Big East has firmly re-established itself as a major player. Congrats and thank you, 'nova.
Agree with this. After all, Butler finished second twice...and their near-misses did nothing to change the dialogue about the P5. The difference between first and second is huge from a perception standpoint.
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Curious, did anyone watch the "team stream" call for either side?
I flipped to the Nova team stream for a few minutes, but it wasn't as good without Raf....
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What game did you watch?
Villavova
58.3% FG
57.1% From 3
UNC
42.9% FG
64.7% From 3
Duke Butler is what e was referring to
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I have no idea if Duke would be interested or if he would be interested in Duke, but that is the only job I could see him taking.
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Duke Butler is what e was referring to
Yep caught that on a reread, bold was hard to see.
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I flipped to the Nova team stream for a few minutes, but it wasn't as good without Raf....
I thought the Nova guys did a heck of a job. Obviously homers but acknowledging when Nova got a break, when a foul was a make up call, etc. Plus, and i'm not sure if they had this on the national feed, some great shots from inside the Pavilion...especially on the game winner.
Yes not having Raf was a bummer, but not having the other assclown color guy - i don't even care enough to look it up - was a blessing.
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I don't know if any of you guys have snapchat but on the national championship story there are some great shots from the Pavilion, as well as great videos of North Carolina fans crying, breaking their phones and smashing tennis rackets.
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It's hard not to enjoy a game that Raf is enjoying - I wish MU games had no other announcer besides him (no play by play, just Raf).
Curious, did anyone watch the "team stream" call for either side?
I did a bit during the 2nd half. Brendan Haywood was ridiculous on the NC stream, if NC got 1 point every time he uttered "How was that not a foul!" Carolina would have won by 30.
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I did a bit during the 2nd half. Brendan Haywood was ridiculous on the NC stream, if NC got 1 point every time he uttered "How was that not a foul!" Carolina would have won by 30.
Agreed. I did not know who this clown was, but he was absolutely whining over every non call in the 2nd half. What a UNC homer!! He will likely really be bawling in NCAA comes down hard on UNC--which they should but will likely not.
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We'll see. I could see a NBA team making a run at him.
He did, though that was a different time. Now, what more does Wright have to prove at this level? He's won the league, went to the Final Four, and cut down the nets to end the season. Not saying he will go, and my sincere hope is that he doesn't, but I could see a team like the Knicks or Lakers taking a shot at Wright, hoping that he's the next Brad Stevens.
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Villanova was no Cinderella. They were the best team in the tournament, beat two #1s, a #2 and a #3. Carolina, Kansas and the other blue bloods didn't beat anybody.
Great point. Also hard to call Nova a Cinderella when the Wildcats were ranked #1 in the country for 3 straight weeks down the stretch — February 8th through 22nd — in both the AP and USA Today coaches polls.
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Agreed. I did not know who this clown was, but he was absolutely whining over every non call in the 2nd half. What a UNC homer!! He will likely really be bawling in NCAA comes down hard on UNC--which they should but will likely not.
TBS didn't call them the "homer channels" for nothing.
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I don't know if any of you guys have snapchat but on the national championship story there are some great shots from the Pavilion, as well as great videos of North Carolina fans crying, breaking their phones and smashing tennis rackets.
any shots of non basketball student athletes throwing their text books?................Oh, wait...
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any shots of non basketball student athletes throwing their text books?................Oh, wait...
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