Remind me: why is Wichita State not on our radar for Big East expansion? Football is not an issue right? Does Creighton have a problem with them?
Figure with their basketball success and it seems like Marshall isn't going anywhere. The Koch brothers donate a crap load to the school. Distance could be a bit of an issue but much better than someone like Gonzaga.
Seems like a good candidate or no?
Public school. Doesn't fit the league profile. Can't see any way there'd be interest. Same reason VCU is highly unlikely top ever garner Big East interest.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 19, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Public school. Doesn't fit the league profile. Can't see any way there'd be interest. Same reason VCU is highly unlikely top ever garner Big East interest.
Adding VCU and WSU would add some diversity to the BE. Nothing wrong with that.
Right now we need some schools we can beat up on, hey?
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 19, 2016, 12:53:16 PM
Adding VCU and WSU would add some diversity to the BE. Nothing wrong with that.
Not saying I oppose them, but I don't think the league has interest in public schools. I know Georgetown has zero interest in a VCU team that might contest their DMV dominance.
Plus it adds zero as far as TV market/exposure so doesn't help any TV negotiations or help Fox with the current deal.
I do love the way they play ball.
Another school almost totally dependent on the coach. If Marshall leaves, what happens to WSU?
No thanks
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
Another school almost totally dependent on the coach. If Marshall leaves, what happens to WSU?
No thanks
I hear ya but don't under-estimate the Koch brothers. They are putting big time dollars into the school. They are one of my clients and they are very dependent on Wichita State grads for all kinds of jobs there.
Wish we had made a run at Marshall
Wichita, Kansas also doesn't add much in terms of audience.
Most of the Big East's current schools are in Top 50 markets. Creighton is in the smallest metropolitan area — Omaha, Nebraska, the 60th largest in the country (just over 900,000). Wichita is roughly 30% smaller than that, ranked 84th (about 640,000).
I wouldn't rule it out completely. I'm sure there have been discussions about expansion possibilities, and Wichita St. would be one of about a dozen or so most likely contenders. But I don't see any sign that the Big East feels expansion is a need or a priority.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
Right now we need some schools we can beat up on, hey?
Exactly--We would have been 0-8 at a minimum last 4 years vs. WSU.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
Right now we need some schools we can beat up on, hey?
Probably need to get Bud Haidet on the line to start the process of getting The Normals into the BEAST.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 19, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
Wish we had made a run at Marshall
As do I, have loved him since Winthrop days when I first met him.
His Players also stay out of trouble historically.
But he has turned down many good offers, he doesn't like pressure cooker jobs supposedly.
The Big East has zero incentive to expand right now, especially with public schools in weak media markets and low academic rankings.
Adding fuel to the fire is that WSU had feasibility study recently to resume football at FBS level.
They're not coming, period.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 19, 2016, 02:09:24 PM
Adding fuel to the fire is that WSU had feasibility study recently to resume football at FBS level.
Good to know. All of the reasons not to include them, this would be the deal breaker in my mind.
There is zero reason to expand. If SLU hires a good coach and gets on a roll, my guess is they'd be at the front of the line.
Academics is a joke. Who knows how good they'll be with Baker and Van Vleet gone. Marshall is a tool. Will probably jump ship now that those two have graduated.
Quote from: naginiF on March 19, 2016, 01:05:47 PM
Plus it adds zero as far as TV market/exposure so doesn't help any TV negotiations or help Fox with the current deal.
I do love the way they play ball.
This is the only reason that matters.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2016, 02:03:59 PM
But he has turned down many good offers, he doesn't like pressure cooker jobs supposedly.
I don't know if this is true or not. Same is said of others who stay at a similar level: Few, McKillop, etc.
But why should they even want to leave? They still get paid big bucks, they are kings of their kingdom, what they say goes, they still get NCAA bids, and the pressure is considerably lower. Those are the best jobs in college basketball, IMHO, and these coaches are smart enough to know that the grass isn't necessarily greener.
Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2016, 11:25:06 PM
I don't know if this is true or not. Same is said of others who stay at a similar level: Few, McKillop, etc.
But why should they even want to leave? They still get paid big bucks, they are kings of their kingdom, what they say goes, they still get NCAA bids, and the pressure is considerably lower. Those are the best jobs in college basketball, IMHO, and these coaches are smart enough to know that the grass isn't necessarily greener.
You and I are in complete agreement. Why leave? So many programs throwing around massive $$$ to stay at a school with lower expectations, while fan bases and blue bloods want to lynch you whenever you don't go to the Final Four...it's crazy.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2016, 02:03:59 PM
As do I, have loved him since Winthrop days when I first met him.
His Players also stay out of trouble historically.
But he has turned down many good offers, he doesn't like pressure cooker jobs supposedly.
Surprising... Marshall has been pretty big on JUCO's, a''inal?
Does bring in USA Basketball transfers though... nice!
Wichita State basketball player Conner Frankamp arrested on DUI charge (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article8151957.html)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
Another school almost totally dependent on the coach. If Marshall leaves, what happens to WSU?
No thanks
You say "another" school. Is that a reference to Butler? Because they've done quite well, post-Stevens.
Creighton would have been considered dependent upon Dana Altman before McDermott arrived. They made 3 tournaments shortly after he left.
Wichita State made a Sweet 16 only 2 years prior to Marshall to getting the job. So they are not completely dependent upon their coach. Also finished 36th in the NCAA in Attendance in 2015 (well ahead of Xavier, Villanova, Georgetown, Providence, etc).
But I'm not campaigning for Wichita St. I just don't think they are a program that will fall apart if Gregg Marshall leaves.
Adding Wichita St. doesn't make any sense and is simply not going to happen. They're in the middle of nowhere, bring very little national recognition, are coach-dependent, don't seem to be an especially strong school academically...and on top of all that, the BE doesn't need to expand. Ain't happening nor should it.
People tend to overlook the nonrevenue sports, too. They'd be the only Big East member without a men's soccer team and the only one without women's soccer, too. They would make for a eighth for baseball. They don't play women's or men's lacrosse, and would seem to be unlikely to add it.
There is absolutely zero benefit to Marquette if the Big East expands. Right now Big East is averaging five teams a year in the NCAA tournament. We don't want add another mouth to feed . In addition, the conference is plenty competitive enough for us as it is presently structured.
Wichita State is a public community college. They have low academic standards. They look nothing like a Big East school. They have a great fan base and following but their current success is based off of one coach. There is no way they would ever be considered IMO.
Quote from: Jet915 on March 22, 2016, 10:55:26 PM
Wichita State is a public community college. They have low academic standards. They look nothing like a Big East school. They have a great fan base and following but their current success is based off of one coach. There is no way they would ever be considered IMO.
Yeah... we have that too. Ours is called UW-Milwaukee, but the coach left a long time ago.