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Title: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown (Final)
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 18, 2016, 11:28:38 PM

Conference   Bids   Avg Seed   W–L   %      S16FF
Big 1274.149–7.56331
ACC75.0019–7.73162
PAC 1275.294–7.36410
Big 1076.008–7.53330
Big East55.609–4.69211
AAC49.751–4.20000
SEC36.003–3.50010
A1038.332–3.40000
MVC211.003–2.60000
One Bid2314.049–23.28110

Final Update:  Nova makes Big East second best performer in tourney.  Thank you Cats!
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: doublemuffmuff on March 19, 2016, 12:04:18 AM
check math on big 10
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: Warriors10 on March 19, 2016, 12:07:30 AM
Quote from: doublemuffmuff on March 19, 2016, 12:04:18 AM
check math on big 10

Play-in game
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: doublemuffmuff on March 19, 2016, 12:08:11 AM
10-4
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: NavinRJohnson on March 19, 2016, 09:29:50 AM
While no outcomes are close to certain, and a team or two will likely pull through, there is a very real possibility that the big ten gets shut out of the sweet 16.

Maryland should win, but for a good team, they play like crap. Indiana winning wouldn't surprise me, though very hard not to like UK right now.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: nathanziarek on March 19, 2016, 01:15:09 PM
Always love this kind of data. Cleaned it up to a table if you're going to keep it updated.


Conference   Bids   Avg Seed   W–L   %
Big 1274.143–4.429
ACC75.006–1.857
PAC 1275.292–5.286
Big 1076.005–3.625
Big East55.604–1.800
AAC49.751–3.250
SEC36.002–1.667
A1038.332–1.667
MVC211.003–01.00
One Bid2314.048–17.320
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 19, 2016, 01:19:27 PM
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on March 19, 2016, 01:15:09 PM
Always love this kind of data. Cleaned it up to a table if you're going to keep it updated.


Conference   Bids   Avg Seed   W–L   %
Big 1274.143–4.429
ACC75.006–1.857
PAC 1275.292–5.286
Big 1076.005–3.625
Big East55.604–1.800
AAC49.751–3.250
SEC36.002–1.667
A1038.332–1.667
MVC211.003–01.00
One Bid2314.048–17.320

Thanks.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: Marcus92 on March 19, 2016, 01:40:21 PM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 18, 2016, 11:28:38 PMPAC-12 not coming through.  Big Twelve disappointing.

Think you're being generous here. The Big 12 came into the NCAA tournament as the strongest conference in the country. Their teams sure haven't played that way. Texas even had the advantage of playing in its backyard in Oklahoma City and still lost to an 11 seed.

I'd add the Big 10 to the list of underperformers. Many predicted Michigan St. as a #1 seed and the eventual national champion. Their first-round loss is one of the biggest upsets in the history of the tourney.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: Nevada233 on March 19, 2016, 07:06:49 PM
Iowa State with Deonte and Mckay on to the sweet 16. Gotta be proud of them....
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: CountryRoads on March 19, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
Death, taxes, tom crean in March.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 19, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on March 19, 2016, 07:06:49 PM
Iowa State with Deonte and Mckay on to the sweet 16. Gotta be proud of them....

And Nader  ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 19, 2016, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on March 19, 2016, 07:06:49 PM
Iowa State with Deonte and Mckay on to the sweet 16. Gotta be proud of them....

They are no longer players for Marquette, so I can't really say I feel anything one way or the other for them...except for helping my bracket  ;D But beating a 13 seed and a 12 seed to get to the sweet 16 is about as easy of a path as you can get. If they get past UVA, I'll be impressed.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru First Round
Post by: forgetful on March 19, 2016, 10:29:52 PM
Below is a slightly different way of looking at it.  Essentially performance by seed.  It operates on the assumption that the higher seed is predicted to win and if you are a lower seed and lose it is not reflected as a loss.  It corrects for bias towards conferences that have a lot of games where they are favored to win.

High Seed (g) is the number of games where a conference team had the higher seed.  Upsets are counted as a win still so it is possible to have 9 wins in 8 games (ACC).

It shows that the ACC was a beast this year.  The BEAST (only favored in 3 games but 4 wins) was under-rated.  The Pac-12, way over-rated as their seeds do not reflect their performance.

Gonzaga, way under-seeded (not a surprise).


Conference   High Seed (g)   Avg Seed   W–L   %
Big 1294.145–4.555
ACC95.0010–01.00
PAC 1295.293–6.333
Big 1066.005–2.714
Big East35.604–1.800
AAC09.751–01.00
SEC36.002–1.667
A1028.332–1.667
MVC011.002–01.00
One Bid014.047–01.00
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 20, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
Bump.  Updated for second round.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: WarriorPride68 on March 20, 2016, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 20, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
Bump.  Updated for second round.

Damn ACC putting in work
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 12:06:38 AM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 20, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
Bump.  Updated for second round.

ACC, hot damn.
B1G/B12, respect
BEast/SEC average
P12, SMDH
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: BM1090 on March 21, 2016, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on March 21, 2016, 12:06:38 AM
ACC, hot damn.
B1G/B12, respect
BEast/SEC average
P12, SMDH

You need to beat who's in front of you, and the ACC has done that. However, they have won 12 games in the tournament so far. Syracuse beat Dayton, a 7 seed, for the conferences best win. UVA and UNC beat Butler and Providence, two 9 seeds. The other 9 ACC wins have come against double digit seeds. ND, Duke, Miami, and Syracuse all played seeds 11 or higher in their 2nd round games.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 12:18:09 AM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 21, 2016, 12:14:17 AM
You need to beat who's in front of you, and the ACC has done that. However, they have won 12 games in the tournament so far. Syracuse beat Dayton, a 7 seed, for the conferences best win. UVA and UNC beat Butler and Providence, two 9 seeds. The other 9 ACC wins have come against double digit seeds. ND, Duke, Miami, and Syracuse all played seeds 11 or higher in their 2nd round games.

Honestly didn't notice. Some conferences get all the breaks.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: BM1090 on March 21, 2016, 12:27:56 AM
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on March 21, 2016, 12:18:09 AM
Honestly didn't notice. Some conferences get all the breaks.

They got a lot of breaks this year. No denying that. But they also managed to fall victim to upsets that other conferences have dealt with, so they do deserve a lot of credit.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2016, 12:56:50 AM
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on March 21, 2016, 12:18:09 AM
Honestly didn't notice. Some conferences get all the breaks.

But they also earned their seeds and made the most of them.  Big Ten lost a 2 seed in round 1.  Big East a 2 seed in round 2.   ACC, not doing that....yet. 
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 21, 2016, 01:02:27 AM
One thing: for all of the supposed parity there is not a single mid or low major in the Sweet Sixteen. Gonzaga is only S16 left from a one bid conference.

Not a good year for the little guy past the first round.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: Johnny B on March 21, 2016, 01:17:03 AM
People are so biased since our team comes the big east. Is nova capable of making the big east look good if they can go deep? Yes but as we stand at this moment the conference has dissapointed..
Seton hall: lost to Lower seed/underachieved

Providence/butler: meh did what was expected. Achieved minimum

Xavier: painful choke in the second round: yeah being a 2 seed huge dissapointment: under achieved
Nova: well so far there where they should be we will see.

OverAll it hasn't been a disaster but I'd say the big east so far has been a slight let down.. But hey if nova makes the final four it all changes
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2016, 12:56:50 AM
But they also earned their seeds and made the most of them.  Big Ten lost a 2 seed in round 1.  Big East a 2 seed in round 2.   ACC, not doing that....yet.

I understand that. Just amazed that so many of them got double digit seeds in the round of 32
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Second Round
Post by: Herman Cain on March 21, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
Quote from: Johnny B on March 21, 2016, 01:17:03 AM
People are so biased since our team comes the big east. Is nova capable of making the big east look good if they can go deep? Yes but as we stand at this moment the conference has dissapointed..
Seton hall: lost to Lower seed/underachieved

Providence/butler: meh did what was expected. Achieved minimum

Xavier: painful choke in the second round: yeah being a 2 seed huge dissapointment: under achieved
Nova: well so far there where they should be we will see.

OverAll it hasn't been a disaster but I'd say the big east so far has been a slight let down.. But hey if nova makes the final four it all changes
Johnny ,I have been a Big East supporter all year. However, the reality of this NCAA performance has been a bit deflating as You point out.

Seton Hall laid an egg and so did Xavier.

Seton Hall was understandable as they reverted to their selfish ball hogging ways of last year when they got on the big stage.

Xavier, had no excuse for choking down the stretch against the Badgers. None.

Butler actually showed up and performed well. They got very close against UVA. But close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

All year long Dunn has been in foul trouble for Providence and that really hurt them against a UNC type team where he needs to be in the game all the time.

Hopefully , Villanova has their act together against Miami. I think blowing out Iowa gives them a nice tail wind and broke through a mental barrier they had. Lets hope they can get to the Elite Eight. If they can do that any thing is possible.

Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Elite Eight
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 28, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
Bump for update thru Elite Eight.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Elite Eight
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 28, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 18, 2016, 11:28:38 PM

Update:  ACC probably best performance ever by a conference? Keep in mind that their REAL record is actually 16-3 since they played each other for two games.


1985 - there were 3 Big East teams (GTown, Nova and St. John's) in the Final Four.

FWIW - I checked, and going into the FF, the Big East was 15-3 (which is slightly better than the ACC's actual 16-5, and almost as good as its "virtual" 16-3)
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown thru Elite Eight
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 28, 2016, 12:32:26 PM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 18, 2016, 11:28:38 PM
Update:  ACC probably best performance ever by a conference?  Keep in mind that their REAL record is actually 16-3 since they played each other for two games.

I give them an asterisk. The ACC has as a conference two upset victories this tournament. 10 Syracuse over 7 Dayton and 10 Syracuse over 1 Virginia (another ACC team).

It is impressive that they managed to avoid upsets. I will give them credit for that. But most of them just played to seed. They as a conference had some of the best postseason luck I've ever seen.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown (Final)
Post by: MarquetteDano on April 04, 2016, 11:30:53 PM
Final Bump.
Title: Re: NCAA Tourney Conference Breakdown (Final)
Post by: burger on April 05, 2016, 07:59:51 AM
How can you be any conference......Whatever about of bids......Lets say ACC.....7 Whatever.....

At the end.....Each team has lost at least once......So the ACC should have 7 losses......and a lot more wins
along the way.....

I do not understand your W-L line.....

Never mind.....The only chart you are editing is the "very first" one on the first page.....
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