(Topic is sufficient enough I think).
No.
He may want to play with his brother one more year. He may like college.
But I doubt it. He's ready.
If he tears his ACL (or some equally bad injury) before he declares
Doubt it,but I've been wrong before. Just ask my wife and kids.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 10, 2016, 02:27:02 PM
He may want to play with his brother one more year. He may like college.
But I doubt it. He's ready.
That's it.
Or wants to play in the tournament / play on top 20 team.
He committed to his parents that he would not leave until he had at least 300 quality rebounds -- but since Scoop deemed 60% of those easy he has to come back for his soph season
Yes. Are any of them probable? No
If he chooses to help the team win back to back national championships.
No. He gone. Look forward to watching him in the NBA for years to come.
Quote from: mug644 on March 10, 2016, 02:31:48 PM
If he chooses to help the team win back to back national championships.
Only one on this thread that makes any sense to me.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 10, 2016, 02:27:02 PM
He may want to play with his brother one more year.
Why would Wally stay? He's a world class high-jumper who must be thisclose to graduation. Basketball can only hurt his ability to succeed at the highest levels in track & field -- hoops is a needless distraction for an elite athlete like him.
Methinks MU is down two Ellensons next year.
He thinks he'd get drafted by the Bucks and that scares him into one more year of college
Quote from: NYWarrior on March 10, 2016, 02:34:12 PM
Why would Wally stay? He's a world class high-jumper who must be thisclose to graduation. Basketball can only hurt his ability to succeed at the highest levels in track & field -- hoops is a needless distraction for an elite athlete like him.
Methinks MU is down two Ellensons next year.
Not the first time I've heard this. Wally has said he loves basketball - and he just does high jump cause he's good at it. I don't see this as a real possibility, but would make some sense with the offers Wojo has out.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 10, 2016, 02:35:07 PM
He thinks he'd get drafted by the Bucks timberwolves and that scares him into one more year of college
FIFY
Quote from: forgetful on March 10, 2016, 02:39:12 PM
FIFY
Just you wait. The wolves are going to be very good one of these years. Towns is an absolute beast, Wiggins, Lavine. They have a really good young core.
Quote from: forgetful on March 10, 2016, 02:39:12 PM
FIFY
Why would playing with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine scare anyone? Lol
Quote from: NYWarrior on March 10, 2016, 02:34:12 PM
Why would Wally stay? He's a world class high-jumper who must be thisclose to graduation. Basketball can only hurt his ability to succeed at the highest levels in track & field -- hoops is a needless distraction for an elite athlete like him.
Methinks MU is down two Ellensons next year.
Wally loves basketball more than track. He does track because he happens to be good at it
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 10, 2016, 02:41:45 PM
Just you wait. The wolves are going to be very good one of these years. Towns is an absolute beast, Wiggins, Lavine. They have a really good young core.
History shows that they are even more inept than the Bucks of recognizing a good thing when they have it.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 10, 2016, 02:41:45 PM
Just you wait. The wolves are going to be very good one of these years...They have a really good young core.
I've heard this every year since KG left
Quote from: forgetful on March 10, 2016, 02:44:41 PM
History shows that they are even more inept than the Bucks of recognizing a good thing when they have it.
Completely different people running the organization. Wolves are headed in the right direction - if you can't tell that, you're not paying attention. Which is somewhat expected - doubt many people pay attention to the wolves.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 10, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
I've heard this every year since KG left
Except they've never had anywhere near the collection of young talent they have right now.
Henry can choose to stay for reasons of his own. But, strictly from a is-he-ready/take-the- money-and-run perspective.... he gone.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 10, 2016, 02:46:06 PM
I've heard this every year since KG left
In which one of those years did they have back to back "can't miss" #1 picks and another uber athlete lottery pick that's already performing at high levels?
The wolves have been embarrassing. But arguing about their current outlook is downright idiotic.
They still need a shooter bad though
No.
I think there is a 20% chance he stays. Plenty of people have stayed. All his quotes sound like he likes college, loves the team etc.
but that money is hard to pass!
Wally isn't leaving for track and field. People keep bringing this up... Yes he's good at high jump, but the olympics are THIS SUMMER. If there was a year to miss in basketball it was this current season.
Any scenarios? Of course.
Most of it covered, but...
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- He loves the college experience and doesn't want to be forced to "grow up" yet.
- He's having fun playing with his brother and the rest of the team.
- He believes we are capable of something special here next year and wants to come back to experience the NCAA Tournament before he is no longer able to.
- He has an insurance policy that insures if he is injured, he will still be okay financially.
- He made a deal with the devil for his combination of size and athletic ability, and the payoff was that he spend two years in college.
- He doesn't want to leave Marquette without his degree (and thus will stay not just next year, but for the next three).
- He places more value on experience than he does on money.
- He loves frozen custard and hasn't yet tried every flavor of the day at Kopp's, and thus must stay another year so he can make daily trips there.
- He wants to be part of Marquette's centennial basketball season.
- He sees our desperate need for a power forward and realizes no one will be able to replace him, so he comes back rather than forcing Wojo to try to find someone else to take his spot that won't be as good anyway.
- As a 19-year-old, he has realized he cannot yet get either the "I Opened The Highbury" or the "I Closed Wolski's" bumper stickers, and will thus stay two more years until after he turns 21.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 10, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
Why would playing with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine scare anyone? Lol
To further this...why would playing with Parker, Giannis, and Middleton scare anyone either? The Bucks and Wolves have great cores moving forward. I know there's a lot of Bulls fans on this board. Let's look at the Bulls prospects moving forward. That is a team that has some major looming roster issues.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 10, 2016, 03:00:10 PM
Most of it covered, but...
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- As a 19-year-old, he has realized he cannot yet get either the "I Opened The Highbury" or the "I Closed Wolski's" bumper stickers, and will thus stay two more years until after he turns 21.
This is the best reason.
Well and currently he just dropped two spots in the draft after watching Bentil and Dunn against Butler right now.
Glad we're discussing this - again!
Quote from: fjm on March 10, 2016, 03:03:27 PM
This is the best reason.
Well and currently he just dropped two spots in the draft after watching Bentil and Dunn against Butler right now.
Bentil isn't going anywhere and Dunn's draft stock has nothing to do with Hank's. If a team needs a PG before a PF when those 2 are coming up, Dunn's going first. If it's the other way around, Hank goes first. Personally I'd rather have Hank.
Quote from: Shark on March 10, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
To further this...why would playing with Parker, Giannis, and Middleton scare anyone either? The Bucks and Wolves have great cores moving forward. I know there's a lot of Bulls fans on this board. Let's look at the Bulls prospects moving forward. That is a team that has some major looming roster issues.
Yeah that's a hell of a core too. Especially with the ever growing potential of the Greek freak. Man, he could be something insane.
And the scary thing about the wolves is that Wiggins is a relatively poor player at this point in his career and still scores 20 per game.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 10, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
No.
Is that the same hard no that you had with him committing to Marquette? My point is, stop trying to predict what the young man is going to do based on what your buddy with an entry level position in the athletic department is telling you. Let him play out the rest of the year and make up his mind.
Please, please, please Marquette Fan in NY, please post, please!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 10, 2016, 03:00:10 PM
Most of it covered, but...
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- He loves the college experience and doesn't want to be forced to "grow up" yet.
- He's having fun playing with his brother and the rest of the team.
- He believes we are capable of something special here next year and wants to come back to experience the NCAA Tournament before he is no longer able to.
- He has an insurance policy that insures if he is injured, he will still be okay financially.
- He made a deal with the devil for his combination of size and athletic ability, and the payoff was that he spend two years in college.
- He doesn't want to leave Marquette without his degree (and thus will stay not just next year, but for the next three).
- He places more value on experience than he does on money.
- He loves frozen custard and hasn't yet tried every flavor of the day at Kopp's, and thus must stay another year so he can make daily trips there.
- He wants to be part of Marquette's centennial basketball season.
- He sees our desperate need for a power forward and realizes no one will be able to replace him, so he comes back rather than forcing Wojo to try to find someone else to take his spot that won't be as good anyway.
- As a 19-year-old, he has realized he cannot yet get either the "I Opened The Highbury" or the "I Closed Wolski's" bumper stickers, and will thus stay two more years until after he turns 21.
Seems viable.
Quote from: fjm on March 10, 2016, 03:03:27 PM
This is the best reason.
Well and currently he just dropped two spots in the draft after watching Bentil and Dunn against Butler right now.
Most scouts don't know where to draft Bentil. They are, however, very certain about where to draft and value Henry.
I would say YES there is probably a scenario under which Henry would stay
Quote from: Smokin' Jae on March 10, 2016, 03:35:56 PM
Is that the same hard no that you had with him committing to Marquette? My point is, stop trying to predict what the young man is going to do based on what your buddy with an entry level position in the athletic department is telling you. Let him play out the rest of the year and make up his mind.
Yes, it's the same hard no I had when Buzz was coaching at Marquette.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 10, 2016, 03:37:48 PM
Most scouts don't know where to draft Bentil. They are, however, very certain about where to draft and value Henry.
I love Bentil as a player. Right now he is better shooter, scorer and defender than Henry and is much more athletic. Henry is bigger, has a smoother stroke and is a better rebounder and I am pretty confident will end up better in the NBA, though. I get the feeling that Bentil is much, much closer to his peak than Henry is.
He might come back to accomplish a strong final four run. This season I do not think met his expectations. If he does not feel this way he will go pro
head trauma, heart strings or Brew77's list (in reverse order)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 10, 2016, 02:27:02 PM
He may want to play with his brother one more year. He may like college.
But I doubt it. He's ready.
Agree totally.
Henry has worked hard to be in the position he is in. He has the freedom and opportunity to make whatever decision he feels in best. I, and most here, presume that is to go pro, but the decision has nothing whatsoever to do with any of us.
Hasn't he been enamored with the NBA since well before college. I saw some interviews before he committed that made me think he is a one and done unless he absolutely has a poor freshman season. He's had arguably the best freshman season at MU ever, playing within the offense/team concept.
From those older interviews I thought that he can't wait to get to the NBA.
I'd say he is gone, and just accept it and enjoy the game tonight.
Maybe if the NBA disbanded.
That is probably what it would take.
He desperately wants to make a tourney run at Marquette, that I know for sure.
Whether that means he would stay is left to be determined, but I know he wants to dance and do something special at MU (on a team-level, he's already shattered personal records left and right).
I conceded long ago that he was gone, but I have a little bit of optimism he may want to stay that's been growing (no actual insight, just my opinion). Something about how tight-knit this team is, his relationship with Wojo, and the potential of next season with everyone back, as well as adding some real playmakers.
I was in Omaha for the Creighton game, and my buddy (only source I've had) was telling me he went from "sure he was gone" to "no idea what he'll do" as the season went on. Could mean nothing, could mean it's a closer call than we think. But even watching the game that next night, he just seemed 100% into the team/was vocal in huddles/excited about everything on and off the court. I'd seen Michael Beasley as a frosh when Omaha hosted the NCAAs and it was 10000% clear he was gone by his interaction with his teammates. I get polar opposite vibes from Henry. He'll be a top-5 pick whenever he wants, money will always be there.....
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 10, 2016, 03:20:58 PM
Bentil isn't going anywhere and Dunn's draft stock has nothing to do with Hank's. If a team needs a PG before a PF when those 2 are coming up, Dunn's going first. If it's the other way around, Hank goes first. Personally I'd rather have Hank.
I think Bentil is gone.
Yes. I think he will stay for at least one more year for many reasons. The NBA will always be there.
Quote from: onepostwarrior on March 10, 2016, 04:55:28 PM
He desperately wants to make a tourney run at Marquette, that I know for sure.
Whether that means he would stay is left to be determined, but I know he wants to dance and do something special at MU (on a team-level, he's already shattered personal records left and right).
I conceded long ago that he was gone, but I have a little bit of optimism he may want to stay that's been growing (no actual insight, just my opinion). Something about how tight-knit this team is, his relationship with Wojo, and the potential of next season with everyone back, as well as adding some real playmakers.
I was in Omaha for the Creighton game, and my buddy (only source I've had) was telling me he went from "sure he was gone" to "no idea what he'll do" as the season went on. Could mean nothing, could mean it's a closer call than we think. But even watching the game that next night, he just seemed 100% into the team/was vocal in huddles/excited about everything on and off the court. I'd seen Michael Beasley as a frosh when Omaha hosted the NCAAs and it was 10000% clear he was gone by his interaction with his teammates. I get polar opposite vibes from Henry. He'll be a top-5 pick whenever he wants, money will always be there.....
Better to cash in when you're young. Another year of pro salary, and one less year of risk of injury.
If he comes back he is getting terrible advice.
Yes - he will stay if he wants to.
Quote from: tower912 on March 10, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
Henry can choose to stay for reasons of his own.
That's been my point all along.
Well, of course there are scenarios under which Henry stays.
The probability of any of them occurring is impossibly low.
The NBA enacts a "two years removed from HS before draft eligible" rule, effective immediately.
If he's allergic to large amounts of $$$, then yes.
Keefe
Well said.
Tim Duncan stated he planned to stay four years at Wake Forest so he could graduate — even though he was projected as the top pick in the NBA draft as a sophomore.
Obviously, he's the exception. But anyone who says there's no chance Henry returns for his sophomore season is dead wrong. It's just not a good chance. Big difference.
Quote from: The Lens on March 10, 2016, 03:36:35 PM
Please, please, please Marquette Fan in NY, please post, please!
I originally thought Henry would stay all four years. My logic was that he was going to play two years with his brother. At that point he would have steady progression and simply enjoy the college life so much and have so much fun on the court that he would opt for having another two years culminating in Big East Player of the Year and All American honors and a chance at Marquette glory.
Recently.,I spoke with several of the top brass in the athletic department. They told me he has good people around him and he will listen to them. They said the thinking is basically if he is a high draft choice he will go but if he is a low first round he will stay.
Over the course of the season it has been very apparent that Henry has an incredible instinct for rebounds. He makes them all look easy which of course is his genius. I think between the boards, the ability to pretty much do everything on the court and his consistency in doing what he does, it is a foregone conclusion he will be in the top half of the draft and maybe even higher.
So I have changed my posture and think he will opt for the pros early. I truly hope I am wrong, as he is a spirited player with real talent and I think we could reach the promised land again if he did stay 4 years. Probably a 30 percent chance he stays for another year but that would strictly be for Wally and the family. Most likely gone though.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 10, 2016, 02:47:32 PM
Except they've never had anywhere near the collection of young talent they have right now.
I've heard that every year since KG left too
How about a scenario where Henry worries that his last game at MU is perhaps his worst, when he is in foul trouble, commits a flagrant 1, and is a liability on defense. At MSG.
In this hypothetical scenario maybe he can't let his MU career end like that, and so he comes back.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 10, 2016, 07:31:08 PM
I originally thought Henry would stay all four years. My logic was that he was going to play two years with his brother. At that point he would have steady progression and simply enjoy the college life so much and have so much fun on the court that he would opt for having another two years culminating in Big East Player of the Year and All American honors and a chance at Marquette glory.
Recently.,I spoke with several of the top brass in the athletic department. They told me he has good people around him and he will listen to them. They said the thinking is basically if he is a high draft choice he will go but if he is a low first round he will stay.
Over the course of the season it has been very apparent that Henry has an incredible instinct for rebounds. He makes them all look easy which of course is his genius. I think between the boards, the ability to pretty much do everything on the court and his consistency in doing what he does, it is a foregone conclusion he will be in the top half of the draft and maybe even higher.
So I have changed my posture and think he will opt for the pros early. I truly hope I am wrong, as he is a spirited player with real talent and I think we could reach the promised land again if he did stay 4 years. Probably a 30 percent chance he stays for another year but that would strictly be for Wally and the family. Most likely gone though.
I have been told by a very reliable source that if he generally predicted to be a lottery pick, he is gone.
While his defense is still poor, his 3-point shooting work, and his shot creation are weak, I've changed my tune in the last few days. All those weaknesses are things that can improve with practice and maturity. If he goes pro, I would understand it. He's not "ready" by traditional standards, but he is ready to get paid. I still believe he'd be better served playing another year in college and entering the pros at age 20, but that's not how it's done these days with someone of his talent.
In the last few days, Henry has shown his defense is still a liability, but he has shown the maturity into a clutch performer. It reminds me a lot of where Wade was after his sophomore year. He thoroughly dominated his junior year. HE could do that next year.
His game needs a lot of work. He has no clue how to defend underneath. He takes too many quick shots and doesn't follow up for rebounds. He should stay to improve his game.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 10, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
I have been told by a very reliable source that if he generally predicted to be a lottery pick, he is gone.
I've heard similar. The question is (and I think he will be), is he a lottery pick?
The only reason I would say no is that the concern about him coming into the season by scouts were his poor shot selection and defense. They were looking for improvement there, and in my opinion he made no improvement in either category.
Could his lack of improvement in those areas be a red flag to GMs?
Henry made improvement in shot selection. He floated around less up top and started to hit mid-range shots more often. Plus he was constantly double teamed. Defense...eh...no.
If he goes this year, he's 10-20 range.
If he stays and goes next year, he could be top 3. Even #1.
That's why he'll stay.
gotta be optimistic eh?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 10, 2016, 09:04:36 PMHenry made improvement in shot selection.
To an extent. For the season, Henry took the second most threes on the team. But he hit the lowest percentage of anyone in the main rotation — less than 30%. Henry missed more threes than our best 3-point shooter (Haanif at 40%) took.
While some will argue that defense is Henry's biggest weakness, I think it's his 3-point shot selection. He should have taken half as many as he did, maybe even less. Hitting at such a poor percentage dramatically lowered his offensive efficiency — resulting in too many empty possessions and transition baskets the other way.
Henry's touch from inside and mid-range is incredible. That, together with his incredible rebounding, definitely outweighed his shortcomings. Nonetheless, Henry hurt the team from outside the line.
Quote from: Marcus92 on March 10, 2016, 09:58:37 PM
To an extent. For the season, Henry took the second most threes on the team. But he hit the lowest percentage of anyone in the main rotation — less than 30%. Henry missed more threes than our best 3-point shooter (Haanif at 40%) took.
While some will argue that defense is Henry's biggest weakness, I think it's his 3-point shot selection. He should have taken half as many as he did, maybe even less. Hitting at such a poor percentage dramatically lowered his offensive efficiency — resulting in too many empty possessions and transition baskets the other way.
Henry's touch from inside and mid-range is incredible. That, together with his incredible rebounding, definitely outweighed his shortcomings. Nonetheless, Henry hurt the team from outside the line.
He's a kid.
He stays if his father says stay, he goes if his father says go.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
If he goes this year, he's 10-20 range.
If he stays and goes next year, he could be top 3. Even #1.
That's why he'll stay.
gotta be optimistic eh?
I will bet you $10,000 he is not a top 3 pick next year.
Quote from: MUDish on March 10, 2016, 10:02:06 PM
I will bet you $10,000 he is not a top 3 pick next year.
I'll bet 100,000 he doesn't get top 5 next year
Quote from: vogue65 on March 10, 2016, 10:00:56 PMHe's a kid.
I have no doubt he'll improve in this area, one way or another. Henry's incredibly talented, smart and dedicated. I'm no shot coach, but his form has looked pretty good. You just can't argue with the results.
It's not even that he took a lot of rushed or contested threes, at least later in the season — he missed plenty of wide-open shots. He'll either have to learn to resist the temptation and put up fewer threes, or practice his butt off and make more of them. I'd put my money on the latter.
He gowne.
Oh, and he gowne in the Draft no later than the 7th pick.
The "not ready" argument is silliness.
I could name two dozen guys who went in the lottery in recent years who weren't "ready." I could probably name at least that many who weren't "anywhere in the zip code of ready" during the years the NBA was drafting high-schoolers willy-nilly.
Being ready has nothing to do with anything. The NBA drafts on potential and assumes its coaches will get a guy "ready" eventually.
Quote from: MU82 on March 10, 2016, 10:14:46 PM
The "not ready" argument is silliness.
I could name two dozen guys who went in the lottery in recent years who weren't "ready." I could probably name at least that many who weren't "anywhere in the zip code of ready" during the years the NBA was drafting high-schoolers willy-nilly.
Being ready has nothing to do with anything. The NBA drafts on potential and assumes its coaches will get a guy "ready" eventually.
This...and he is ready. Let me know how many guys in college basketball are putting up 17 and 10 while being double teamed and having 10 sets of defensive eyes on him when he has the ball.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
If he goes this year, he's 10-20 range.
If he stays and goes next year, he could be top 3. Even #1.
That's why he'll stay.
gotta be optimistic eh?
Chad Ford has HE going top 5.
Ford had a pick variance of 2.8 last year fwiw.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 10, 2016, 10:29:17 PM
Chad Ford has HE going top 5.
Ford had a pick variance of 2.8 last year fwiw.
Before or after he alters his picks?
Not sure the projected strength of the NBA draft class next year looks like, but I know this year is weak. I'm trying to think of 5 players who would be a lock to be ahead of Henry and I'm finding it difficult.
To me, only sentimentality would get him to stay, which I have no way of gauging.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 10, 2016, 10:31:45 PM
Before or after he alters his picks?
I almost put that in parenthesis :) I knew I should have
Quote from: MUDish on March 10, 2016, 10:02:06 PM
I will bet you $10,000 he is not a top 3 pick next year.
I'd enjoy the bet but we both know it's a moot point.
Quote from: MUtbone on March 10, 2016, 10:38:49 PM
Not sure the projected strength of the NBA draft class next year looks like, but I know this year is weak. I'm trying to think of 5 players who would be a lock to be ahead of Henry and I'm finding it difficult.
To me, only sentimentality would get him to stay, which I have no way of gauging.
Freshman class next year is said to be considerably better. We'll see.
Quote from: forgetful on March 10, 2016, 08:54:13 PM
I've heard similar. The question is (and I think he will be), is he a lottery pick?
The only reason I would say no is that the concern about him coming into the season by scouts were his poor shot selection and defense. They were looking for improvement there, and in my opinion he made no improvement in either category.
Could his lack of improvement in those areas be a red flag to GMs?
That's why you pay attention to Chad Ford. He has more input from league sources, including team GMs, than any of the other mock drafts.
And I disagree with you points about improvement. I think he improved tremendously in both areas.
But we'll see what the NBA thinks in a couple months. No doubt about the 1st 2 picks in the draft. Then we'll see what happens. My prediction is from #4 - #7 depending on team need.
Quote from: Marcus92 on March 10, 2016, 09:58:37 PM
To an extent. For the season, Henry took the second most threes on the team. But he hit the lowest percentage of anyone in the main rotation — less than 30%. Henry missed more threes than our best 3-point shooter (Haanif at 40%) took.
While some will argue that defense is Henry's biggest weakness, I think it's his 3-point shot selection. He should have taken half as many as he did, maybe even less. Hitting at such a poor percentage dramatically lowered his offensive efficiency — resulting in too many empty possessions and transition baskets the other way.
Henry's touch from inside and mid-range is incredible. That, together with his incredible rebounding, definitely outweighed his shortcomings. Nonetheless, Henry hurt the team from outside the line.
But he shot 38% from three in his last 13 games....so his three point shot selection dramatically improved.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 10, 2016, 10:29:17 PM
Chad Ford has HE going top 5.
Ford had a pick variance of 2.8 last year fwiw.
Was that variance before or after he altered his mock drafts after the actual draft?
EDIT: Damn, someone else beat me to it.
Quote from: brandx on March 10, 2016, 11:21:12 PM
Freshman class next year is said to be considerably better. We'll see.
Meh, I swear I hear that every year. Next year is always going to be a tougher draft.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 11, 2016, 12:06:43 AMBut he shot 38% from three in his last 13 games....so his three point shot selection dramatically improved.
Great stat. Thanks for pointing that one out. The fact that didn't even raise his season average to 30% just reinforces how many bad shots he took early on.
I don't watch enough NBA to know this, so would appreciate insight from those that know more.
If he is a mid-lottery pick, what should the expectation be for him in his first year in the NBA? I know it will vary depending on what team, need, etc., but would he expect to on the bench most of the time? Spend significant time in the D-league? Play spot minutes early, find a small role late? Play significant minutes on a bad team?
In other words, what do most mid-lottery picks chosen more on potential end up doing in their first year in the NBA?
The reason I ask is that may be one other factor I haven't seen discussed much: what does the day-to-day look like for him next year in the NBA versus in college. Where is it more enjoyable to work on improving my game? Do I want to be riding the pine all season long? Or, spend several months schlepping around the D-league? My impression is the D-league is not a glamorous experience, even if you are on a big-time contract.
HE knows what the college experience is--which, all told, is probably not a bad gig for him. He gets to be the star on the team, has a relatively cushy life, can work on aspects of his game without worrying about getting benched, etc. The NBA experience may be less desirable or at least a bit more unknown for that next year as he works on development. If he feels comfortable about getting drafted in future years, this may be one other reason to stick around for another year.
On the flip side, going to the NBA or D-league means that he finally gets to do basketball 24-7, which for a gym rat may be a big draw. Oh, and $$$.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 11, 2016, 12:10:19 AM
Meh, I swear I hear that every year. Next year is always going to be a tougher draft.
Actually, this year was considered one of the weaker classes in recent years. I don't know that it will be considered that once these guys are in the league a few years. I think there could be half a dozen top flight NBA players in this class.
Quote from: MUMountin on March 11, 2016, 11:00:30 AM
I don't watch enough NBA to know this, so would appreciate insight from those that know more.
If he is a mid-lottery pick, what should the expectation be for him in his first year in the NBA? I know it will vary depending on what team, need, etc., but would he expect to on the bench most of the time? Spend significant time in the D-league? Play spot minutes early, find a small role late? Play significant minutes on a bad team?
In other words, what do most mid-lottery picks chosen more on potential end up doing in their first year in the NBA?
The reason I ask is that may be one other factor I haven't seen discussed much: what does the day-to-day look like for him next year in the NBA versus in college. Where is it more enjoyable to work on improving my game? Do I want to be riding the pine all season long? Or, spend several months schlepping around the D-league? My impression is the D-league is not a glamorous experience, even if you are on a big-time contract.
It depends on several things: the team situation, how quickly a guy picks up the pro offense, and most obviously, how talented the guy is.
This year, the mid-lottery picks - #5-#10 - averaged over 23 minutes a game. So they are all part of the regular rotations on their teams.
One thing is certain, though - Henry will not be playing D-League next year.
The guys at the end of the lottery are averaging 19 minutes a game - brought down by Cameron Payne who was the last lottery pick who is not playing a lot.
TWolves - 21 wins this year, a''inal? Lots of 'young talent'... many, many questions, including head coach, PG and 3-pt shooters.
Henry - have said it before.. if I'm Henry and I am enjoying my time at MU, I would shop insurance contracts. If I can find one that I'm agreeable to and gives me enough financial security, I purchase it and play spend one more year in college.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 11, 2016, 12:08:54 AM
Was that variance before or after he altered his mock drafts after the actual draft?
EDIT: Damn, someone else beat me to it.
You were busy breaking down the entire NIT bubble ;)
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 10, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
He committed to his parents that he would not leave until he had at least 300 quality rebounds -- but since Scoop deemed 60% of those easy he has to come back for his soph season
Yes but it was also determined that Woj needed to move on, so this has become a real toss up now ;)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 11, 2016, 12:06:43 AM
But he shot 38% from three in his last 13 games....so his three point shot selection dramatically improved.
Wow, is this a stupid post, TAMU.
Haven't you read the much more intelligent posts these last few months from those who say players don't improve year-to-year and certainly not during a season?
Quote from: Marcus92 on March 10, 2016, 09:58:37 PM
To an extent. For the season, Henry took the second most threes on the team. But he hit the lowest percentage of anyone in the main rotation — less than 30%. Henry missed more threes than our best 3-point shooter (Haanif at 40%) took.
While some will argue that defense is Henry's biggest weakness, I think it's his 3-point shot selection. He should have taken half as many as he did, maybe even less. Hitting at such a poor percentage dramatically lowered his offensive efficiency — resulting in too many empty possessions and transition baskets the other way.
Henry's touch from inside and mid-range is incredible. That, together with his incredible rebounding, definitely outweighed his shortcomings. Nonetheless, Henry hurt the team from outside the line.
You just can't look at the 3s. Henry did a much better job understanding spacing and how to get his shot off as the year went on. As brew said, he was All-American caliber the last third of the season.