I've compiled a list of the suspected single bid conference regular season champs and will note any upsets with your help. This will help us determine how many NIT slots are lost to auto-bids. I'll appreciate everyone's assistance. Here goes:
American East Stony Brook NCAA
Atlantic Sun North Florida NIT
Big Sky Weber State
Big South High Point NIT
Big West Hawaii
Colonial Athletic Hofstra NIT
Conference USA UAB NIT
Horizon Valparaiso NIT
Ivy Yale NCAA
MAAC Monmouth NIT
Mid America Akron NIT
MEAC Hampton NCAA
Mountain West San Diego St. NIT
Northeast Wagner NIT
Ohio Valley Belmont NIT
Patriot Bucknell NIT
Southern Chattanooga NCAA
Southland Stephen F. Austin
SWAC Texas Southern NIT
Summit IPFW NIT
Sun Belt Ark. - Little Rock
WAC New Mexico St. NIT
Okay, a couple things of note. Right now the Big South (Winthrop/High Point) are tied. Same is true for the Colonial Athletic (UNC-Wilmington/Hofstra). I took the one Lunardi had in his current bracket. Obviously only one teams earns the regular season auto bid to the NIT so if anyone has more info. Second, I've assumed Missouri Valley (Wichita St.) and West Coast (St. Mary's) as two bid leagues, as necessary. Seems that both those two schools would still dance as at large bids, even if defeated. My goal here isn't to argue about who will win the conference or an at large because both Wichita and St. Mary's would be invited to NIT before us. Rather, what I'd like to have folks help with are lower tier 'stolen bids' reflecting conference tournament upsets. Those, plus our own performance over the next week, will help determine our chance for the NIT and might send us off to Vegas as Plan B. One more thing, please don't troll this thread with 'we're winning the BEast so this doesn't matter' crap. I hope we do but go dream elsewhere, okay?
Thanks for everyone's help.
A couple of these regular season champs also would have chances for at large bids. Valparaiso and Little Rock both have top 50 RPIs and are currently sitting at 12 seeds in the Bracket Matrix.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/bracket/_/id/201631/2016-summit-league-tournament
When there is a tie at the top, the designated #1 seed in the conference tournament is the team that gets the auto NIT Bid. Looks like it is IPFW in the Summit. On the link above you can view the brackets that are available. Also with no tournament in the Ivy, no bid will be stolen(but Princeton may make it at large)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 03, 2016, 08:39:59 AM
A couple of these regular season champs also would have chances for at large bids. Valparaiso and Little Rock both have top 50 RPIs and are currently sitting at 12 seeds in the Bracket Matrix.
That would still have a negative impact on us because if either of them lost in the conference tournament but still made the NCAA tournament that would push another potential at-large NCAA team to the NIT leaving one less spot for us.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 03, 2016, 08:39:59 AM
A couple of these regular season champs also would have chances for at large bids. Valparaiso and Little Rock both have top 50 RPIs and are currently sitting at 12 seeds in the Bracket Matrix.
Monmouth may have an outside shot too.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 03, 2016, 08:57:53 AM
That would still have a negative impact on us because if either of them lost in the conference tournament but still made the NCAA tournament that would push another potential at-large NCAA team to the NIT leaving one less spot for us.
Good point.
The Ivy League doesn't have a conference tournament, and its Regular Season Champ goes to the NCAAs, not the NIT. Ordinarily, I'd say that means MU doesn't have to worry about the Ivy League because there's no chance of a "stolen" bid in a conference tournament that doesn't exist.
However, it's worth noting that Yale and Princeton (tied in the loss column for the Ivy lead) have RPIs of 54 and 33, respectively.
It's not difficult to imagine a scenario where one of Yale/Princeton goes to the NCAAs, and the runner-up goes to the NIT. It might even be fair to plan on it.
I've substituted IPFW. Thanks.
Trying to avoid getting down in the weeds too much with things like possible 'at large' vs. NIT at this point. There are plenty of teams ahead of us in the pecking order and the NCAA/NIT cutoff line isn't too important as it pertains to MU. I suppose this matters if a total doormat jumps up and steals an NCAA bid. If DePaul were to win the BEast we absolutely get moved down a notch....
Anyway, let's see how this plays out case by case. Let's start by capturing 'auto bids' that lose along the way. I'll update the chart when that happens.
Little more research. Confirmed High Point as Big South champs; Hofstra as Colonial champs.
Where's the Missouri Valley? That's gonna be a fun tournament.
Nvm actually decided to read the discription with the conferences.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 03, 2016, 08:39:59 AM
A couple of these regular season champs also would have chances for at large bids. Valparaiso and Little Rock both have top 50 RPIs and are currently sitting at 12 seeds in the Bracket Matrix.
That is with them winning the games they are projected to win. So losing in the conference tournament would probably drop them out.
Quote from: bilsu on March 03, 2016, 02:25:55 PM
That is with them winning the games they are projected to win. So losing in the conference tournament would probably drop them out.
No I was using Real Time RPI. Not projected RPI. While undoubtedly their RPI would decline, those schools would still be in the mix for an at large.
Quote from: jsglow on March 03, 2016, 07:58:11 AM
I've compiled a list of the suspected single bid conference regular season champs and will note any upsets with your help. This will help us determine how many NIT slots are lost to auto-bids. I'll appreciate everyone's assistance. Here goes:
American East Stony Brook
Atlantic Sun North Florida
Big Sky Weber State
Big South High Point
Big West Hawaii
Colonial Athletic Hofstra
Conference USA UAB
Horizon Valparaiso
Ivy Yale
MAAC Monmouth
Mid America Akron
MEAC Hampton
Mountain West San Diego St.
Northeast Wagner
Ohio Valley Belmont
Patriot Bucknell
Southern Chattanooga
Southland Stephen F. Austin
SWAC Texas Southern
Summit IPFW
Sun Belt Ark. - Little Rock
WAC New Mexico St.
Okay, a couple things of note. Right now the Big South (Winthrop/High Point) are tied. Same is true for the Colonial Athletic (UNC-Wilmington/Hofstra). I took the one Lunardi had in his current bracket. Obviously only one teams earns the regular season auto bid to the NIT so if anyone has more info. Second, I've assumed Missouri Valley (Wichita St.) and West Coast (St. Mary's) as two bid leagues, as necessary. Seems that both those two schools would still dance as at large bids, even if defeated. My goal here isn't to argue about who will win the conference or an at large because both Wichita and St. Mary's would be invited to NIT before us. Rather, what I'd like to have folks help with are lower tier 'stolen bids' reflecting conference tournament upsets. Those, plus our own performance over the next week, will help determine our chance for the NIT and might send us off to Vegas as Plan B. One more thing, please don't troll this thread with 'we're winning the BEast so this doesn't matter' crap. I hope we do but go dream elsewhere, okay?
Thanks for everyone's help.
This is a helpful analysis. Will have to keep an eye on this. If we don't get to the Big Dance we definitely want the NIT. Gives us a good chance to get 20 plus victory number and if things go well a title.
2 spots taken Bucknell lost tonight and North Florida
Make that three with Little Rock.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 03, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
Make that three with Little Rock.
Sun Belt tournament starts next week that was a regular season loss
Quote from: injuryBug on March 03, 2016, 08:41:52 PM
Sun Belt tournament starts next week that was a regular season loss
My bad. Thanks for clarifying.
Quote from: injuryBug on March 03, 2016, 08:33:03 PM
2 spots taken Bucknell lost tonight and North Florida
Well, damn! That was quick & unfortunate!
Quote from: injuryBug on March 03, 2016, 08:33:03 PM
2 spots taken Bucknell lost tonight and North Florida
Root for Stetson over FGCU; Stetson is ineligible for the tourney so if they win the Atlantic Sun tournament, North Florida gets the auto-bid as its regular season champ.
I am in no way criticizing you for doing this and for everybody hoping for the "right" teams to win conference tournaments.
Still, it is a little sad that we have to root so hard for this 'n that to happen just so we can make the NIT. I'm one of the more positive Scoopers, but that realization gives me kind of "how the mighty have fallen" feelings.
Quote from: Warriors10 on March 03, 2016, 09:22:59 PM
Root for Stetson over FGCU; Stetson is ineligible for the tourney so if they win the Atlantic Sun tournament, North Florida gets the auto-bid as its regular season champ.
& will boost our RPI
I couldn't resist ;)
Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2016, 09:29:26 PM
I am in no way criticizing you for doing this and for everybody hoping for the "right" teams to win conference tournaments.
Still, it is a little sad that we have to root so hard for this 'n that to happen just so we can make the NIT. I'm one of the more positive Scoopers, but that realization gives me kind of "how the mighty have fallen" feelings.
Our "rooting for this and that" won't make a damn difference.
Just something to follow and pass the evenings.
Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2016, 09:29:26 PM
I am in no way criticizing you for doing this and for everybody hoping for the "right" teams to win conference tournaments.
Still, it is a little sad that we have to root so hard for this 'n that to happen just so we can make the NIT. I'm one of the more positive Scoopers, but that realization gives me kind of "how the mighty have fallen" feelings.
Well 82, seeing as we've done squat since that weekend in Lexington, I'll get fired up about whatever shows a little progress. BTW, I know you're not ripping on me personally.
Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2016, 09:29:26 PM
I am in no way criticizing you for doing this and for everybody hoping for the "right" teams to win conference tournaments.
Still, it is a little sad that we have to root so hard for this 'n that to happen just so we can make the NIT. I'm one of the more positive Scoopers, but that realization gives me kind of "how the mighty have fallen" feelings.
There are only 32 NIT spots. With regular season conference winners getting NIT auto bids, the margin between dancing and missing the NIT entirely is actually not that vast.
Last year, Ole Miss danced with a record of 20-12, and were #50 in KenPom.
Minnesota and TCU missed the NIT with a record of 18-15, and were #58 and #65 in KenPom respectively.
For what it's worth in this analysis, since the NIT began awarding auto bids in 2007 to teams who won their conference regular season, but did not get NCAA at-large bids. On average, these teams take up about 10 slots, or approximately a third of the NIT field.
2007: 8 auto bids
2008: 8 auto bids
2009: 5 auto bids
2010: 8 auto bids
2011: 14 auto bids
2012: 11 auto bids
2013: 10 auto bids
2014: 13 auto bids
2015: 11 auto bids
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on March 04, 2016, 08:29:07 AM
There are only 32 NIT spots. With regular season conference winners getting NIT auto bids, the margin between dancing and missing the NIT entirely is actually not that vast.
Last year, Ole Miss danced with a record of 20-12, and were #50 in KenPom.
Minnesota and TCU missed the NIT with a record of 18-15, and were #58 and #65 in KenPom respectively.
For what it's worth in this analysis, since the NIT began awarding auto bids in 2007 to teams who won their conference regular season, but did not get NCAA at-large bids. On average, these teams take up about 10 slots, or approximately a third of the NIT field.
2007: 8 auto bids
2008: 8 auto bids
2009: 5 auto bids
2010: 8 auto bids
2011: 14 auto bids
2012: 11 auto bids
2013: 10 auto bids
2014: 13 auto bids
2015: 11 auto bids
Which has basically made it a low major / mid major tournament. Vegas should really try to snatch up the best 16 teams to miss the tourney. I think they'd have a legit shot at becoming the next best tourney afteer a couple years if they play their cards right.
If Vegas can secure a decent TV deal they could sponsor the participating teams. I hope they're event is successful.
The problem is that the NCAA owns the NIT. They also sanction post-season tournaments and determine eligibility. They won't get it get overshadowed by another tournament.
Recently announced that CBSSports will be televising quarters, semis and Finals in Vegas. First round to be streamed. I hope we don't end up there but I'd accept the invite if the NIT passed us over.
Effin' Belmont. Eat me.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
Effin' Belmont. Eat me.
Should I book tickets to the CBI yet?
Man, that was tough to watch jsglow. When they gave the points to Belmont initially I had my hopes up. Gut punch
Chris Horton is a beast.
Belmont just lost in overtime to Austin Peay
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 04, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
Should I book tickets to the CBI yet?
Man, that was tough to watch jsglow. When they gave the points to Belmont initially I had my hopes up. Gut punch
Vegas16!
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2016, 09:51:29 AM
Recently announced that CBSSports will be televising quarters, semis and Finals in Vegas. First round to be streamed. I hope we don't end up there but I'd accept the invite if the NIT passed us over.
I really think the Vegas16 could end up being better than the NIT. Yes, the teams will be better in the NIT. The tournament doesn't start untill March 26. Gives coaches two weeks of extra practice time. Cost is about $45,000 for ever how long that team is in the tourney. Las Vegas strip.
Host schools don't have to screw around selling tickets and hiring staff to put on a CBI or NIT game.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2016, 08:55:55 PM
Chris Horton is a beast.
Just watched that game. Tough free throw misses at end of OT by Belmont, just killer.
That kid Horton is unreal, but wonder if it's playing in OVC competition. But, quite an effort by him in last few games. Averaging on year like 18 and 12....
Can't imagine Belmont missing the tourney is gonna make much of a difference for MU, but ya hate to see that.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2016, 09:16:59 PM
Can't imagine Belmont missing the tourney is gonna make much of a difference for MU, but ya hate to see that.
Meaning that's one less spot now in the NIT.
Quote from: nyg on March 04, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
Just watched that game. Tough free throw misses at end of OT by Belmont, just killer.
That kid Horton is unreal, but wonder if it's playing in OVC competition. But, quite an effort by him in last few games. Averaging on year like 18 and 12....
Ft's don't matta! Right JB........
Quote from: Newsdrms on March 04, 2016, 09:59:36 PM
Ft's don't matta! Right JB........
Especially basic ft's.
High Point & Wichita state lose today as #1 seeds. Already up to 5 NIT locks so far.
Any more today I missed so far?
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 05, 2016, 05:08:36 PM
High Point & Wichita state lose today as #1 seeds. Already up to 5 NIT locks so far.
Any more today I missed so far?
I think these auto bids are going to make the NIT a decent tournament. Would love to see us play Va Tech in the the first round.
Okay, I think it's up to date. The defeated auto bids are noted. Missouri Valley's 2nd NCAA bid means an at large NCAA team loses its slot and takes a #1 NIT seed. So as of this moment, 4 low seed slots are taken along with that #1 for a total of 5. 27 middle school dance cards (no kissing allowed) remain available.
We must beat St. John's on Wednesday in my opinion to have a good shot.
Bracket Matrix has us as a 5 seed for the NIT: http://bracketproject.blogspot.com
So at least 12 teams are "behind" us now. Need to root for those to lose and for us to pick up a couple of wins.
Quote from: MUDPT on March 06, 2016, 07:54:03 AM
Bracket Matrix has us as a 5 seed for the NIT: http://bracketproject.blogspot.com
So at least 12 teams are "behind" us now. Need to root for those to lose and for us to pick up a couple of wins.
I'm watching that too. Interesting with folks like Va Tech and Northwestern below us.
My recollection is that the NIT bracket matrix isn't terribly accurate.
http://www.nycbuckets.com/current-nit-bracketology/
Here is another site that does NIT Bracketology
Quote from: phoenixphan87 on March 06, 2016, 08:34:32 AM
http://www.nycbuckets.com/current-nit-bracketology/
Here is another site that does NIT Bracketology
Pretty similar. Around the 5/6 line.
Tonight's Finals
Hofstra vs. UNC Wilmington (Colonial)
Monmouth vs. Iona (MAAC)
Chattanooga vs. East Tennessee State (SoCon)
Other Big Games
Valparaiso vs. Green Bay (Horizon League Semifinal)
IPFW vs. North Dakota State (Summit League Semifinal)
Stony Brook vs. Hartford (America East Semifinal)
In each case, root for the team listed first!
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on March 07, 2016, 08:01:18 AM
Tonight's Finals
Hofstra vs. UNC Wilmington (Colonial)
Monmouth vs. Iona (MAAC)
Chattanooga vs. East Tennessee State (SoCon)
Other Big Games
Valparaiso vs. Green Bay (Horizon League Semifinal)
IPFW vs. North Dakota State (Summit League Semifinal)
Stony Brook vs. Hartford (America East Semifinal)
In each case, root for the team listed first!
Thanks for this post! Looking forward to watching way too much basketball tonight
UWGB playing very well. #1 Valpo down 7 with 6 minutes left.
Somewhere Brian Wardle is crying
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 07, 2016, 07:47:51 PM
UWGB playing very well. #1 Valpo down 7 with 6 minutes left.
Somewhere Brian Wardle is crying
Linc Darner is a better coach than Wardle. I said when they hired him that it was a fantastic, out of the box move.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 07, 2016, 07:56:26 PM
Linc Darner is a better coach than Wardle. I said when they hired him that it was a fantastic, out of the box move.
Linc has been very impressive. Didn't know much about him until this year & hearing about his D2 success. Could he make the jump to P5 school someday you think?
Insanity in GB / Valpo game :o
Iona upsets #1 Monmouth
UWGB upsets #1 Valpo
UNC Wilmington upsets #1 seed Hofstra.
Terrible night for the NIT field. Going to be filled with good mid/low major teams, but bad for ratings. Would almost prefer the Vegas 16 at this point.
UWGB upsets #1 Valpo
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Not done yet
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 07, 2016, 08:23:23 PM
UNC Wilmington upsets #1 seed Hofstra.
Terrible night for the NIT field. Going to be filled with good mid/low major teams, but bad for ratings. Would almost prefer the Vegas 16 at this point.
Damnit! I saw they were both 14-4 in conference so I wasn't sure who was the #1 seed. That really blows
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 07, 2016, 07:58:40 PM
Linc has been very impressive. Didn't know much about him until this year & hearing about his D2 success. Could he make the jump to P5 school someday you think?
He's won wherever he has been and plays a real entertaining style.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 07, 2016, 08:26:50 PM
He's won wherever he has been and plays a real entertaining style.
Doing whatever they can to give this game away
#1 IPFW lost in the semis of the Summit League.
Quote from: bradley center bat on March 07, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
#1 IPFW lost in the semis of the Summit League.
Eight 1 seeds down already.
NIT spots filling up quickly...
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 07, 2016, 07:56:26 PM
Linc Darner is a better coach than Wardle. I said when they hired him that it was a fantastic, out of the box move.
Linc Darner is a fantastic coach. Definitely better than Wardle, better than Wojo. My guess is that he will be coaching at a higher level school in the not to distant future. Heck he could be our next coach.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 07, 2016, 09:30:34 PM
NIT spots filling up quickly...
Doesn't matter, since we will win the BEAST.
Is what the NCAA really wanted? Has the NIT become the 'low major loser bracket'?
Vegas can make some coin if they do a good job and put on a real basketball tournament.
Monmouth is squarely on the bubble and may make the NCAA field. Still takes away an NIT spot as either they or another at-large team will get pushed to the NIT.
Finals Today (3/8)
Wagner v. Farleigh Dickinson (NEC)
Go Wagner!
Quote from: jsglow on March 08, 2016, 06:36:57 AM
Has the NIT become the 'low major loser bracket'?
To be fair, the NIT is also the high-major loser bracket.
In 2-3 years I am looking forward to making fun of this thread as we sit comfortably as a 3+ seed in the tourney.
"Remember the dark days when we were cheering for low-majors to win their conference tourney so that we would get an NIT bid?"
Quote from: mufanatic on March 07, 2016, 09:42:01 PM
Linc Darner is a fantastic coach. Definitely better than Wardle, better than Wojo. My guess is that he will be coaching at a higher level school in the not to distant future. Heck he could be our next coach.
Just saying off the top of one's head that some D2 coach is better than Wojo would be like saying Wojo is better than Coach K. Except that in the latter statement, there actually is statistical support because Wojo's two-year record as a high-major coach (32-31) is superior to K's two-year record as a high-major coach was (27-30).
I'm not even saying that Linc's coaching ability isn't superior to that of Wojo's -- because I don't know if it is or isn't. And neither does anybody else.
As for whether Linc could eventually make the jump all the way to P5 ... why the hell not? Buzz did.
The thing with Darner will be how the style translates to D1 ball. I don't want to call it gimmicky, but it's certainly unconventional. Fun to watch, though.
That said, he's done a really nice job with that GB team this year. And I can't wait to see Trev Anderson play for him.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 08, 2016, 08:52:57 AM
The thing with Darner will be how the style translates to D1 ball. I don't want to call it gimmicky, but it's certainly unconventional. Fun to watch, though.
That said, he's done a really nice job with that GB team this year. And I can't wait to see Trev Anderson play for him.
It's no more gimmicky than Shaka's "mayhem" or "40 minutes of hell." Sometimes you have to adapt your plan to your players and your opponent and perhaps he will have to learn to do that.
Quote from: jsglow on March 08, 2016, 06:36:57 AM
Is what the NCAA really wanted? Has the NIT become the 'low major loser bracket'?
Vegas can make some coin if they do a good job and put on a real basketball tournament.
I bet the NIT attendance is much better at those low major venues. And I don't think people are going to care much about the Vegas tournament.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 08, 2016, 10:00:51 AM
I bet the NIT attendance is much better at those low major venues. And I don't think people are going to care much about the Vegas tournament.
I suspect you're right about better attendance at low major sites. But I thought hoops revenues were primarily driven by TV revenues. If that is true, the NIT would make more $$ with mid- or high-majors than with low majors who won't be a big TV draw.
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2016, 08:12:59 AM
Just saying off the top of one's head that some D2 coach is better than Wojo would be like saying Wojo is better than Coach K. Except that in the latter statement, there actually is statistical support because Wojo's two-year record as a high-major coach (32-31) is superior to K's two-year record as a high-major coach was (27-30).
I'm not even saying that Linc's coaching ability isn't superior to that of Wojo's -- because I don't know if it is or isn't. And neither does anybody else.
As for whether Linc could eventually make the jump all the way to P5 ... why the hell not? Buzz did.
I didn't know much about Linc when UWGB hired him but upon reading up on him, his past, his coaching and watching more than a few UWGB games, I have come away completely impressed with the man. He knows how to coach. He has turned around 2 basketball programs. His playing days were with Gene Keady at Purdue. He has taken a team that lost 3 of there top 4 scorers and is a game away from making the NCAA tournament. That in and of itself is no big deal but when you look at what he has done over his coaching tenure it is damn impressive. He is a winner and he wins wherever he goes. Similar to Bo Ryan where he won wherever he went.
As far as his coaching style goes, his is similar to Shaka and Pearl. Very high energy, up tempo, create turnovers, shoot lots of 3s. Very fan friendly. It has been very successful for him. The jump up to UWGB was the perfect move for him. That program will soar to new heights and he will be a hot commodity in a few years.
As far as Wojo goes, I don't have any good vibes on him as a coach. Buzz had it. Crean had it. O'Neill had it. I don't see it in Wojo. In almost two years, there are very few instances where I go, wow that was great coaching. I expected more out of this team. Is it young? Yes but so is Ohio State and they are on the bubble. So is Wisconsin when you truly look at their roster, 2 experienced players and bunch of minimal playing juniors and a lot of freshmen and they have made huge strides over the course of the year like you would expect from a young team that is coached very well. I don't see it from Wojo and this team. I will give Wojo a pass and hope for the best but I am not holding my breathe that we will be a flagship program of this conference. Next year will be a very interesting and telling year. It will be year 3 and any "good" coach will have been able to put a winning stamp on a program. I really don't want to hear any excuses about Henry leaving for the NBA or our players are too young and inexperienced. That is excuse making and bull. If you are a good coach, prove it. Wojo needs to prove it next year.
Quote from: mufanatic on March 08, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
I didn't know much about Linc when UWGB hired him but upon reading up on him, his past, his coaching and watching more than a few UWGB games, I have come away completely impressed with the man. He knows how to coach. He has turned around 2 basketball programs. His playing days were with Gene Keady at Purdue. He has taken a team that lost 3 of there top 4 scorers and is a game away from making the NCAA tournament. That in and of itself is no big deal but when you look at what he has done over his coaching tenure it is damn impressive. He is a winner and he wins wherever he goes. Similar to Bo Ryan where he won wherever he went.
As far as his coaching style goes, his is similar to Shaka and Pearl. Very high energy, up tempo, create turnovers, shoot lots of 3s. Very fan friendly. It has been very successful for him. The jump up to UWGB was the perfect move for him. That program will soar to new heights and he will be a hot commodity in a few years.
As far as Wojo goes, I don't have any good vibes on him as a coach. Buzz had it. Crean had it. O'Neill had it. I don't see it in Wojo. In almost two years, there are very few instances where I go, wow that was great coaching. I expected more out of this team. Is it young? Yes but so is Ohio State and they are on the bubble. So is Wisconsin when you truly look at their roster, 2 experienced players and bunch of minimal playing juniors and a lot of freshmen and they have made huge strides over the course of the year like you would expect from a young team that is coached very well. I don't see it from Wojo and this team. I will give Wojo a pass and hope for the best but I am not holding my breathe that we will be a flagship program of this conference. Next year will be a very interesting and telling year. It will be year 3 and any "good" coach will have been able to put a winning stamp on a program. I really don't want to hear any excuses about Henry leaving for the NBA or our players are too young and inexperienced. That is excuse making and bull. If you are a good coach, prove it. Wojo needs to prove it next year.
Agree with alot of what you say but stop with Wisconsin being young. They start 4 upperclassmen
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 08, 2016, 10:41:33 AM
I suspect you're right about better attendance at low major sites. But I thought hoops revenues were primarily driven by TV revenues. If that is true, the NIT would make more $$ with mid- or high-majors than with low majors who won't be a big TV draw.
Yeah you're right.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 08, 2016, 08:52:57 AM
That said, he's done a really nice job with that GB team this year. And I can't wait to see Trev Anderson play for him.
Completely agree, can't wait to watch Trevor Anderson next year. Both MU & UW in a dream scenario with scholarships could have used him.
I like how Linc is reaching out to reachable in state talent as well. Keshawn Justice, Diener, Krueger, Jack Plumb are some that come to mind that could make impacts at UWGB.
game away from first NCAA tourney bid in 20 years
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 08, 2016, 12:10:04 PM
Completely agree, can't wait to watch Trevor Anderson next year. Both MU & UW in a dream scenario with scholarships could have used him.
I like how Linc is reaching out to obtrightble in state talent as well. Keshawn Justice, Diener, Krueger, Jack Plumb are some that come to mind that could make impacts at UWGB.
game away from first NCAA tourney bid in 20 years
Darner's plan to gather obtainable talent is sustainable.
Quote from: slack00 on March 08, 2016, 01:29:37 PM
Darner's plan to gather obtrightble talent is sustrightble.
(I give up :)) sorry was posting on mobile earlier
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 08, 2016, 06:55:05 PM
Obtrightble* sorry was posting on mobile earlier
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Wagner, #1 seed in the NEC, is down 10 with 4 minutes in the NEC championship game. Another NIT spot likely gone.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 08, 2016, 07:44:30 PM
Wagner, #1 seed in the NEC, is down 10 with 4 minutes in the NEC championship game. Another NIT spot likely gone.
What the heck #1 seeds
I've always liked the rule of conf champs going to NIT if they lose. I've liked it because it seemed fair and we were never anywhere near it. Plus I had no interest in watching it. Now that I'm watching closer, I see that this tournament becomes less and less interesting with every small school put in.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 08, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
What the heck #1 seeds
This is incredible so far. #1 seeds are what? 0 for 9 thus far?
Quote from: mufanatic on March 08, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
I didn't know much about Linc when UWGB hired him but upon reading up on him, his past, his coaching and watching more than a few UWGB games, I have come away completely impressed with the man. He knows how to coach. He has turned around 2 basketball programs. His playing days were with Gene Keady at Purdue. He has taken a team that lost 3 of there top 4 scorers and is a game away from making the NCAA tournament. That in and of itself is no big deal but when you look at what he has done over his coaching tenure it is damn impressive. He is a winner and he wins wherever he goes. Similar to Bo Ryan where he won wherever he went.
As far as his coaching style goes, his is similar to Shaka and Pearl. Very high energy, up tempo, create turnovers, shoot lots of 3s. Very fan friendly. It has been very successful for him. The jump up to UWGB was the perfect move for him. That program will soar to new heights and he will be a hot commodity in a few years.
As far as Wojo goes, I don't have any good vibes on him as a coach. Buzz had it. Crean had it. O'Neill had it. I don't see it in Wojo. In almost two years, there are very few instances where I go, wow that was great coaching. I expected more out of this team. Is it young? Yes but so is Ohio State and they are on the bubble. So is Wisconsin when you truly look at their roster, 2 experienced players and bunch of minimal playing juniors and a lot of freshmen and they have made huge strides over the course of the year like you would expect from a young team that is coached very well. I don't see it from Wojo and this team. I will give Wojo a pass and hope for the best but I am not holding my breathe that we will be a flagship program of this conference. Next year will be a very interesting and telling year. It will be year 3 and any "good" coach will have been able to put a winning stamp on a program. I really don't want to hear any excuses about Henry leaving for the NBA or our players are too young and inexperienced. That is excuse making and bull. If you are a good coach, prove it. Wojo needs to prove it next year.
OK, you're allowed an opinion.
O'Neill might have "had it" at Marquette, but he certainly didn't have it at Tennessee or Northwestern or Arizona or USC or in the NBA.
Crean might have "had it," but he didn't have it any better than Wojo did at this point in their respective MU careers.
I'm sure Wojo is relieved that you will give him a pass until year 3, when "any good coach will have been able to put a winning stamp on a program."
In Coach K's third year at Wojo's alma mater, the Dookies were 11-17. Clearly K was one lousy coach.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 07, 2016, 07:47:51 PM
UWGB playing very well. #1 Valpo down 7 with 6 minutes left.
Somewhere Brian Wardle is crying tweeting
https://twitter.com/bubrianwardle/status/707340587968569345
Green Bay dancing
http://m.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/uwgb-lands-first-ncaa-bid-since-1996-b99684141z1-371472811.html (http://m.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/uwgb-lands-first-ncaa-bid-since-1996-b99684141z1-371472811.html)
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Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on March 08, 2016, 08:06:39 PM
I've always liked the rule of conf champs going to NIT if they lose. I've liked it because it seemed fair and we were never anywhere near it. Plus I had no interest in watching it. Now that I'm watching closer, I see that this tournament becomes less and less interesting with every small school put in.
I was for it then, and I am for those schools now. Any school, no matter the quality of the conference, deserves at least an NIT bid if they play that well throughout a whole conference season.
Is it bad to have maybe 16 of 32 schools be low majors for tv revenues? I am sure it is. But god bless the NCAA that for once it isn't all about the money.
It might cost us an NIT bid this year but honestly if we don't get in we can't act like we deserved it anyways?
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 08, 2016, 09:22:22 PMIt might cost us an NIT bid this year but honestly if we don't get in we can't act like we deserved it anyways?
Nope. The lowest RPI team in the NIT last year was 90 Arizona State. It's funny that Andy Katz thinks getting to the Big East final would make us a NCAA team. The reality is it would only make us a NIT team. Any less than that and we're probably not making the NIT.
Down goes another #1 Saint Mary's. They should still be an at large right?
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 08, 2016, 10:00:37 PM
Down goes another #1 Saint Mary's. They should still be an at large right?
Sounds like it's 50/50. Lunardi has them in. Palm thinks it's doubtful.
With South Dakota State (#2 seed) winning the summit, I believe the #1 seeds are now 0 for 11.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 08, 2016, 10:03:06 PM
Sounds like it's 50/50. Lunardi has them in. Palm thinks it's doubtful.
With South Dakota State (#2 seed) winning the summit, I believe the #1 seeds are now 0 for 11.
RPI of 35 going into tonight. I'm a little surprised Jerry had them out.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 08, 2016, 10:03:06 PM
Sounds like it's 50/50. Lunardi has them in. Palm thinks it's doubtful.
With South Dakota State (#2 seed) winning the summit, I believe the #1 seeds are now 0 for 11.
I wonder if Villanova is getting nervous.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on March 08, 2016, 10:03:06 PM
Sounds like it's 50/50. Lunardi has them in. Palm thinks it's doubtful.
Wow, their resume is crazy.
0-1 vs RPI top 50 teams
18-0 vs RPI 200+ teams
#145 SOS
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 08, 2016, 10:13:00 PM
Wow, their resume is crazy.
0-1 vs RPI top 50 teams
18-0 vs RPI 200+ teams
#145 SOS
This is incorrect. Losing helped St. Mary's at large chances significantly. They gained 2 top 50 wins by losing tonight.
Quote from: MUDish on March 08, 2016, 10:30:03 PM
This is incorrect. Losing helped St. Mary's at large chances significantly. They gained 2 top 50 wins by losing tonight.
Ditka, I should have said coming into tonight.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 08, 2016, 10:47:52 PM
Ditka, I should have said coming into tonight.
I wasn't criticizing what you said, this is a rare case where losing helped a team's at large resume. Obviously they'd rather have clinched the auto bid of course.
Wednesday games featuring #1 seeds
Hampton vs. Morgan State (MEAC Quarterfinal)
Texas Southern vs. Alabama A&M (SWAC Quarterfinal)
Also, update the first post to reflect that Yale is dancing.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on March 09, 2016, 08:09:35 AM
Wednesday games featuring #1 seeds
Hampton vs. Morgan State (MEAC Quarterfinal)
Texas Southern vs. Alabama A&M (SWAC Quarterfinal)
Also, update the first post to reflect that Yale is dancing.
OK.
Quote from: bilsu on March 08, 2016, 10:07:46 PM
I wonder if Villanova is getting nervous.
Nah, they know they are for sure in the NIT so they can play relaxed
Vegas 16, baby!
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on March 09, 2016, 11:41:46 AM
Vegas 16, baby!
Just went to the official website and guess who one of the corporate sponsors is?
Findlay Toyota. Hmmmm..............
http://www.vegas16.com/
Thursday games featuring #1 seeds in one-bid conferences
Akron vs. Eastern Michigan (MAC Quarterfinal)
UAB vs. Western Kentucky (C-USA Quarterfinal)
Weber State vs. Portland State (Big Sky Quarterfinal)
San Diego State vs. Utah State (Mountain West Quarterfinal)
Hawaii vs. Cal State Fullerton (Big West Quarterfinal...Go Warriors!)
It's in MU's interest if the teams listed first win.
UAB loses to Western Kentucky 88-77.
Akron beats Eastern Michigan 65-63. Will play Central Michigan/Bowling Green winner in semifinal on Friday in Cleveland.
Assuming that Wichita State and St. Mary's get at-large NCAA bids, nearly a third (10) of the NIT's 32 spots are already spoken for.
UAB was the only loss. We need some of these others to keep moving forward.
And while this starts to become pretty difficult to measure, let's try to take note of other NIT type teams that lose. There's no shame for MU losing to a Top 5 team but the slots are certainly limited.
Stony brook just won. First ever tourney bid, and helping us out as the #1 seed in their conf.
Hampton too.
Dayton lost.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on March 12, 2016, 04:04:28 PM
Dayton lost.
As long as St. Joe's or VCU wins it, that's fine. All three were getting at large berths anyway.
Awesome seeing Jerry Wainwright on the sidelines for Fresno State
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 12, 2016, 06:57:27 PM
Awesome seeing Jerry Wainwright on the sidelines for Fresno State
And Jerry is going dancing. Fresno upsets #1 seed San Diego State.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 12, 2016, 07:10:48 PM
And Jerry is going dancing. Fresno upsets #1 seed San Diego State.
Happy for Jerry. Always good to see a coaching alum do well.
Buffalo upsets #1 Akron
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 12, 2016, 07:10:48 PM
And Jerry is going dancing. Fresno upsets #1 seed San Diego State.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 12, 2016, 07:10:48 PM
And Jerry is going dancing. Fresno upsets #1 seed San Diego State.
Happy to see Jerry do well. But that probably kills any chance we have at the NIT.
It's over. Vegas or nothing. The NIT has completely shot itself in the foot. Nobody wants this much double representation from all these one bid conferences. This really hurts the mid majors most of all.
Quote from: jsglow on March 12, 2016, 09:32:38 PM
It's over. Vegas or nothing. The NIT has completely shot itself in the foot. Nobody wants this much double representation from all these one bid conferences. This really hurts the mid majors most of all.
They have a committee of former coaches and AD making the selections. Supposedly they are looking to create good matchups. So I still think there is a chance.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 12, 2016, 09:58:11 PM
They have a committee of former coaches and AD making the selections. Supposedly they are looking to create good matchups. So I still think there is a chance.
I hope you're right. As it stands a lot of quality basketball teams will be home and TV ratings will be 0.0.
Quote from: jsglow on March 12, 2016, 10:31:07 PM
I hope you're right. As it stands a lot of quality basketball teams will be home and TV ratings will be 0.0.
Put our own interests aside for a second. If your the NIT you want the most attractive teams that will draw the most fans to the preliminary rounds. So for example a team like Creighton which sells out its 17,000 arena every night, even for teams like North Texas, becomes a very attractive candidate. While our attendance is not at the highs, it was still 13,308 which is impressive in the abstract. Also our brand name is recognizable if we are stuck playing road games. It is not a sure thing by any means, but I think we are going to one of the handful of teams seriously in the discussion. At the end of the day the NIT wants teams that are going to be attractive at MSG in the final four. Again our fan base and dedicated alumni works to our advantage there.
Think good thoughts and sometimes they will happen.
....Cal State Bakersfield upsets #1 New Mexico State