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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: ChicosBailBonds on February 24, 2016, 09:31:24 PM
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Joking aside, Wojo would have had short leash on Cheatham if bench was not so thin and Carter was not in foul trouble.
Not a stellar game for Haanif.
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No link...free form.
We're SLU
Wojo sucks
We're not improving
HE going pro
We are going to be fine
Crean sucks
Buzz sucks
Sandy isn't a traditional
Many options and so many others
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Joking aside, Wojo would have had short leash on Cheatham if bench was not so thin and Carter was not in foul trouble.
Not a stellar game for Haanif.
Not what Wojo said in the postgame. Thought his defense was great.
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No link...free form.
We're SLU
Wojo sucks
We're not improving
HE going pro
We are going to be fine
Crean sucks
Buzz sucks
Sandy isn't a traditional
Many options and so many others
What exactly is the point of this thread? Sometimes Scoop engages in dumb discussions? No sh*t. Thanks for starting another one.
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What exactly is the point of this thread? Sometimes Scoop engages in dumb discussions? No sh*t. Thanks for starting another one.
There it is...
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Joking aside, Wojo would have had short leash on Cheatham if bench was not so thin and Carter was not in foul trouble.
Not a stellar game for Haanif.
Wojo played mind games with Haanif by leaving him in.
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No link...free form.
We're SLU
Wojo sucks
We're not improving
HE going pro
We are going to be fine
Crean sucks
Buzz sucks
Sandy isn't a traditional
Many options and so many others
Your sarcasm filter is stuck on off. Slurp, slurp.
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Cream sucks
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I can only speak to the "State of Scoop" - and that is.....
Chico will troll about the state of the program every time we win a game until further notice. Hope that means 12 more of these dopey posts this year.
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Is trolling bad?
Wisconsin has won 9 of 10, just beat Iowa and punched its ticket to the NCAA's. Should they thank Greg or Bo?
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Is trolling bad?
Wisconsin has won 9 of 10, just beat Iowa and punched its ticket to the NCAA's. Should they thank Greg or Bo?
A great program. That team has a lot of experience though. Actually kind of happy for Gard. Seems like a nice dude. Happy we got the W against them though.
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Is trolling bad?
Wisconsin has won 9 of 10, just beat Iowa and punched its ticket to the NCAA's. Should they thank Greg or Bo?
That team defies all logic. Should have been dead in the water when boner left. Maybe bo really did take a dive to force Barry to hire Gard
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We have secured a winning season. We are now at 18 wins with a chance for 20. The optic of that is very good.
My goal for Wojo and his leash was to get to 9 conference wins and he looks like he has a real chance at making that. The only games we truly looked like crap in were Seton Hall and I am willing to attribute that to match up issues as we simply did not have the thugs necessary to compete with them without a great shooting night.
Team has decent depth, and even if HE does not return ,we will be formidable.
Recruiting pipeline has been very good. We are working hard to get the bruisers we need.
So if we can finish off the year like we are capable of we should be back on historical track and hopefully back were we want to be next year. Although I think it would be wise to schedule a lot of creampuffs again next year in non conference just be smarter about it.
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Seems like on track for NIT.
As a Mike Deane fan, I love this. I thought Buzz was a little too obsessed with the NCAAs.
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Seems like on track for NIT.
As a Mike Deane fan, I love this. I thought Buzz was a little too obsessed with the NCAAs.
I'm confused, are you saying you would rather play the NIT? If not, what are you saying?
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Is trolling bad?
Wisconsin has won 9 of 10, just beat Iowa and punched its ticket to the NCAA's. Should they thank Greg or Bo?
Wisconsin turned it around when Tara's beau, Bo, left the program. Gard a lock to get the gig now. Maybe it turns out to be Brad Soderburg 2.0. Who knows. I like Gard a lot better than that asshat that left, even though I thought that asshat was a great coach.
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I'm confused, are you saying you would rather play the NIT? If not, what are you saying?
Wally, some ppl like Chicos are win at all costs types.
Me, I respect the process. #Grow
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Not what Wojo said in the postgame. Thought his defense was great.
I guess Wojo feels his defense offset his constant turnovers and inability to break the press. I have the game on DVR (saw the game out of town live). I will review game again to see what he saw.
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I'm confused, are you saying you would rather play the NIT? If not, what are you saying?
He's being sarcastic.
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Real time rpi is keepin it "real", ouch Grand Canyon for crying out loud
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We are 105 right now. LIVE RPI is the absolute worst RPI site. Horrible.
Grand Canyon....not your father's Western Athletic Conference anymore. Just a brutal conference.
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beau Bo
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Badgers have improved leaps and bounds. We havent. We beat a bubble Creighton team on road. Badgers would beat us by 15 if we played
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On one hand, we're still (hopefully, yet disappointingly) headed to the NIT. On the other, great road win, congrats to the guys! On the mutant third, Sandy was suspended. Is that just kids being kids, or is it squirmy? I'll give Sandy the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the coach. Let's keep it up!
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On one hand, we're still (hopefully, yet disappointingly) headed to the NIT. On the other, great road win, congrats to the guys! On the mutant third, Sandy was suspended. Is that just kids being kids, or is it squirmy? I'll give Sandy the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the coach. Let's keep it up!
Very fair assessment
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Badgers have improved leaps and bounds. We havent. We beat a bubble Creighton team on road. Badgers would beat us by 15 if we played
Don't care. We still beat the Rodents!
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Badgers have improved leaps and bounds. We havent. We beat a bubble Creighton team on road. Badgers would beat us by 15 if we played
"Leaps and bounds?" No. But Marquette has improved during the year.
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Badgers have improved leaps and bounds. We havent. We beat a bubble Creighton team on road. Badgers would beat us by 15 if we played
Sayz you, I say that we are still easily the equal of Western Illinois.
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I guess Wojo feels his defense offset his constant turnovers and inability to break the press. I have the game on DVR (saw the game out of town live). I will review game again to see what he saw.
Cheatham did a hell of a job on Watson.
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Badgers have improved leaps and bounds. We havent. We beat a bubble Creighton team on road. Badgers would beat us by 15 if we played
There you are, obsessed with another program that we beat on their home court. You don't think we haven't improved greatly since the days of losing to Belmont at home, having to go to OT against IUPUI? Please.
Your other analysis of LSU going to the big dance since they didn't "waste their burger boy" is coming to a crashing end.
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There you are, obsessed with another program that we beat on their home court. You don't think we haven't improved greatly since the days of losing to Belmont at home, having to go to OT against IUPUI? Please.
Your other analysis of LSU going to the big dance since they didn't "waste their burger boy" is coming to a crashing end.
Than they along with Miss st and us wasted a McDonald's all American
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Than they along with Miss st and us wasted a McDonald's all American
Eh. I enjoyed watching him.
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Chico can troll all he wants, but I stand by the post. Lit a fire under Wojo you see.
Honestly, I think Wojo is on track now for a solid "B" - like I said earlier, I think the butler game was a real turning of the corner. Still not where we want to be, but much improved - plus some real (and sustained) steps forward for JjJ and Du over this stretch - give Wojo credit for that. So the leash is well and truly off for this year, he's done enough and I'm enjoying watching MUBB for the first time in what seems like ages. But I think NCAAs next year is a reasonable expectation (barring the unforeseen).
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Why are some of you Marquette “fans” speaking so highly of the rodents? We beat them this season in their house. This is our state. Last night was a nice win for the Warriors. We need to win those games if we want to be relevant again. Just think of what could have been if we would have taken care of Belmont, DePaul and Creighton… We handed those games away. Possibly 21-7, 9-6 in BE with the tourney in reach…. oh THIN margins.
BEAT NOVA. Just win baby
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Very fair assessment
LOL. Of course you would agree with that assessment.
Let me ask you, have you taken any of your concerns to the board? The president? The AD? Wojo?
You seem very, VERY concerned about the current and future state of MU basketball. Perhaps it would be worth your time to voice those.
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A great program. That team has a lot of experience though. Actually kind of happy for Gard. Seems like a nice dude. Happy we got the W against them though.
That team does not have a lot of experience. They have 2 players with a lot of experience. Showalter and Brown played significantly less minutes than Wilson and Cohen. The rest of their rotation is a soph and 4 freshmen who had 0 minutes last year. When you add all of their returning collegiate minutes and compare to our returning minutes, it comes out to relatively the same number of minutes played.
In the meantime, they are getting significantly better and not blaming lack of experience and we are getting slightly better and are still using the excuse of our lack of experience.
My opinion is that Wojo just doesn't know how to make in game adjustments. He is a great recruiter so we will get better and better but Wojo won't win us games with his coaching. Its been two years now and the only adjustment I have ever seen him make was going to that defensive zone last year.
Last night McDermott made a great half time adjustment and nearly stole the game from us. That wasn't lack of experience from our players. Wojo needed to make an adjustment. He didn't do it. He never does it. I want a sparkle of hope that he will get better but I don't see it. Buzz was not a good end game coach early on in his career but he wowed me with his coaching that second year. You could see improvement coming out of Buzz. Do we really see any improvement out of our head coach?
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That team does not have a lot of experience. They have 2 players with a lot of experience. Showalter and Brown played significantly less minutes than Wilson and Cohen. The rest of their rotation is a soph and 4 freshmen who had 0 minutes last year. When you add all of their returning collegiate minutes and compare to our returning minutes, it comes out to relatively the same number of minutes played.
In the meantime, they are getting significantly better and not blaming lack of experience and we are getting slightly better and are still using the excuse of our lack of experience.
My opinion is that Wojo just doesn't know how to make in game adjustments. He is a great recruiter so we will get better and better but Wojo won't win us games with his coaching. Its been two years now and the only adjustment I have ever seen him make was going to that defensive zone last year.
Last night McDermott made a great half time adjustment and nearly stole the game from us. That wasn't lack of experience from our players. Wojo needed to make an adjustment. He didn't do it. He never does it. I want a sparkle of hope that he will get better but I don't see it. Buzz was not a good end game coach early on in his career but he wowed me with his coaching that second year. You could see improvement coming out of Buzz. Do we really see any improvement out of our head coach?
Yes. I think he has tinkered with the lineups and rotations as the season has gone on. I think we have seen changes in Henry's positioning within the offense to wear he is taking less outside shots and more of a mid-range game. I think we have seen development within the season of a number of players.
I'm not sure what great in game adjustment that Mac Dermott made that Wojo didn't react to. If you are simply saying that Creighton went zone, Marquette went right into a zone offense. A zone offense that has worked this year when it is run effectively.
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Why are some of you Marquette “fans” speaking so highly of the rodents? We beat them this season in their house. This is our state. Last night was a nice win for the Warriors. We need to win those games if we want to be relevant again. Just think of what could have been if we would have taken care of Belmont, DePaul and Creighton… We handed those games away. Possibly 21-7, 9-6 in BE with the tourney in reach…. oh THIN margins.
BEAT NOVA. Just win baby
I'm with you, AD.
We won, Rodents lost. After that, I don't give a fook what the Rodents do. #donedeal
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Yes. I think he has tinkered with the lineups and rotations as the season has gone on. I think we have seen changes in Henry's positioning within the offense to wear he is taking less outside shots and more of a mid-range game. I think we have seen development within the season of a number of players.
I'm not sure what great in game adjustment that Mac Dermott made that Wojo didn't react to. If you are simply saying that Creighton went zone, Marquette went right into a zone offense. A zone offense that has worked this year when it is run effectively.
How about attacking the basket after beating the zone press. And that zone offense worked fantastic yesterday. We went what 8, 9 minutes without scoring. Turned the ball over a ton from the zone press. There are lots of in game adjustments to be made. I didn't see it out of Wojo yesterday and frankly rarely if ever do.
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Why are some of you Marquette “fans” speaking so highly of the rodents? We beat them this season in their house. This is our state. Last night was a nice win for the Warriors. We need to win those games if we want to be relevant again. Just think of what could have been if we would have taken care of Belmont, DePaul and Creighton… We handed those games away. Possibly 21-7, 9-6 in BE with the tourney in reach…. oh THIN margins.
BEAT NOVA. Just win baby
The issue is that every time we have a good year they have a good year as well and that takes the shine off of our win and we get buried in the paper. Yesterday we have a nice win against Creighton, Than the badgers go on the road and beat Iowa by like 15 and know we are no longer in anyone's minds.
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How about attacking the basket after beating the zone press. And that zone offense worked fantastic yesterday. We went what 8, 9 minutes without scoring. Turned the ball over a ton from the zone press. There are lots of in game adjustments to be made. I didn't see it out of Wojo yesterday and frankly rarely if ever do.
Wojo wants the team to slow down because when it gets fast, the turnovers start coming even greater with this bunch. But regardless, I don't think that the droughts in offense are due to poor coaching. I think they are due to poor execution by inexperienced players.
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The issue is that every time we have a good year they have a good year as well and that takes the shine off of our win and we get buried in the paper. Yesterday we have a nice win against Creighton, Than the badgers go on the road and beat Iowa by like 15 and know we are no longer in anyone's minds.
I think it's cute that you still read a paper.
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The issue is that every time we have a good year they have a good year as well and that takes the shine off of our win and we get buried in the paper. Yesterday we have a nice win against Creighton, Than the badgers go on the road and beat Iowa by like 15 and know we are no longer in anyone's minds.
You care too much about what other people think.
And Sultan is right - it's kinda cute that you still read a paper.
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... and we get buried in the paper.
Matty Vasquez not withstanding, does anyone care what the JS thinks anymore?
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Badgers have improved leaps and bounds. We havent. We beat a bubble Creighton team on road. Badgers would beat us by 15 if we played
Disagree. We beat them home or away still.
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We are 105 right now. LIVE RPI is the absolute worst RPI site. Horrible.
Grand Canyon....not your father's Western Athletic Conference anymore. Just a brutal conference.
Live RPI has us at 105. Real Time RPI was the one that he took a picture of.
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How about attacking the basket after beating the zone press. And that zone offense worked fantastic yesterday. We went what 8, 9 minutes without scoring. Turned the ball over a ton from the zone press. There are lots of in game adjustments to be made. I didn't see it out of Wojo yesterday and frankly rarely if ever do.
It was one of MU's lowest turnover games of the year, so the press did not cause a lot of turnovers. I think Wojo was trying to play clock and it bit him. Most importantly, that was the stretch where MU was going to the basket and not getting any calls.
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Badgers have improved leaps and bounds. We havent.
Nope.
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Live RPI has us at 105. Real Time RPI was the one that he took a picture of.
Was hoping this win would crack the top 100 in RPI for MU. Pretty hard to be 18-10 in the Big East and still be at 105. Interesting year nonetheless.
Nova game can't come soon enough! Saturday will be fun
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I think it's cute that you still read a paper.
I don't read the paper every day, but I do subscribe to the Bangor Daily!
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It was one of MU's lowest turnover games of the year, so the press did not cause a lot of turnovers. I think Wojo was trying to play clock and it bit him. Most importantly, that was the stretch where MU was going to the basket and not getting any calls.
You can't just look at turnovers but our offensive funk as a whole in the second half when they ran their press. 8 turnovers in the second half after only having 5 in the first half. Zone press also whittled down the shot clock and didn't allow us to get into our offense quickly. Only took 22 shots in the second half after taking 32 in the first half and a lot of those second half shots were not the best of shots. Our offense was not running smoothly at all in that second half.
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Didn't realize this was a State of Madison thread. Sheesh
I like this team. Someone mentioned it earlier. This is the 8th youngest team in the country. That's 343rd in the country. We are going to play that way. Who was left with a crummy situation and he has done well to turn it around.
I wish NCAA, but the NIT will be good experience for these boys.
Bring on NOVA
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You can't just look at turnovers but our offensive funk as a whole in the second half when they ran their press. 8 turnovers in the second half after only having 5 in the first half. Zone press also whittled down the shot clock and didn't allow us to get into our offense quickly. Only took 22 shots in the second half after taking 32 in the first half and a lot of those second half shots were not the best of shots. Our offense was not running smoothly at all in that second half.
I don't disagree that you should attack the rack when you break the press. MU didn't. IMO it was a more of the falling back into the zone after the press that slowed down MU's offense. There wasn't time for multiple ball reversals. There were more Creighton steals and MU turnovers caused by the zone than the press. Also, again, that was the stretch where MU, and specifically Henry, could not get a call, either.
But we are splitting hairs. MU won on the road against what had previously been a bubble team. Any conference road win is going to be fraught with bad stretches and should therefore be savored.
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Chico can troll all he wants, but I stand by the post. Lit a fire under Wojo you see.
That's cute
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That team does not have a lot of experience. They have 2 players with a lot of experience. Showalter and Brown played significantly less minutes than Wilson and Cohen. The rest of their rotation is a soph and 4 freshmen who had 0 minutes last year. When you add all of their returning collegiate minutes and compare to our returning minutes, it comes out to relatively the same number of minutes played.
In the meantime, they are getting significantly better and not blaming lack of experience and we are getting slightly better and are still using the excuse of our lack of experience.
My opinion is that Wojo just doesn't know how to make in game adjustments. He is a great recruiter so we will get better and better but Wojo won't win us games with his coaching. Its been two years now and the only adjustment I have ever seen him make was going to that defensive zone last year.
Last night McDermott made a great half time adjustment and nearly stole the game from us. That wasn't lack of experience from our players. Wojo needed to make an adjustment. He didn't do it. He never does it. I want a sparkle of hope that he will get better but I don't see it. Buzz was not a good end game coach early on in his career but he wowed me with his coaching that second year. You could see improvement coming out of Buzz. Do we really see any improvement out of our head coach?
Experience can also be measured in years in a program. You gain experience just by being part of the program, understanding what it takes, the processes and expectations. The practice time, familiarity, etc. Doesn't always have to equate to number of minutes on the court, which is also part of experience.
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Live RPI has us at 105. Real Time RPI was the one that he took a picture of.
You are right, and that's actually what I meant...RealTimeRPI is brutally bad. Thanks for the correction
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Was hoping this win would crack the top 100 in RPI for MU. Pretty hard to be 18-10 in the Big East and still be at 105. Interesting year nonetheless.
Nova game can't come soon enough! Saturday will be fun
Six home losses doesn't help. A home loss counts as 1.4losses in the formula. Rack up those home losses and it doesn't help unless you have a bunch of road wins to offset it.
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Six home losses doesn't help. A home loss counts as 1.4losses in the formula. Rack up those home losses and it doesn't help unless you have a bunch of road wins to offset it.
We do have 5 road wins and 2 neutral site wins, which is pretty damn good. 7-4 away from home.