It was discussed on twitter but for those of you who can only handle one internet thing at a time....DePaul has been contacting MU fans who have purchased tickets in the past and offering tickets for Saturday's game.
Note they aren't saying buy DePaul tickets they are asking if you want to buy tickets to see Marquette play in Chicago. As Paint Touches said, I guess it's better to have a paid hostile crowd then no crowd at all.
#Atleastwearen'tDePaul
#sleepinggiant
Haha I got a call from them this morning. I answered because I assumed it was my dad, who has a 773 number at his office. Then I got an explanation that I had bought tickets last year and asked if I was interested for this year. The worst part was, it wasn't even a robot cold calling. It was literally a person. lol.
Oh man, that is rough.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on February 16, 2016, 04:49:30 PM
Haha I got a call from them this morning. I answered because I assumed it was my dad, who has a 773 number at his office. Then I got an explanation that I had bought tickets last year and asked if I was interested for this year. The worst part was, it wasn't even a robot cold calling. It was literally a person. lol.
Well, it isn't like their ticket office staff have much else to do... ;)
I read this thread five minutes ago. I just got a call. Hahahaha
...we did lose to DePaul on our home court not too long ago...
We Aren't DePaul--YET
Now, is being DePaul better or worse than being St. Louis?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2016, 05:39:08 PM
...we did lose to DePaul on our home court not too long ago...
DePaul's calling MU fans because their ticket office is wondering what happened to our fan base, not their's. This thread is equally depressing for both schools.
Tower
Let's not start talking SLU status just yet. Last time was a quite a long thread. Hate to say it but wish we had Dayton status at the moment. Crazy game and difficult to stay ahead of the curve.
They should offer free bus rides from the Bradley Center. That may get a few more butts in the seats!
Anybody who thinks the last couple years makes us more like DePaul lacks perspective.
Quote from: BG-MU90 on February 16, 2016, 07:25:11 PM
They should offer free bus rides from the Bradley Center. That may get a few more butts in the seats!
hey, with the price of gas today, that may not be a bad investment. just think of all the weenies and popcorn they would sell too ;D
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 16, 2016, 07:27:15 PM
Anybody who thinks the last couple years makes us more like DePaul lacks perspective.
Agreed. We have had a short down period, and are only three seasons from a run of three straight Sweet Sixteens.
DePaul has had 2 NCAA appearances since 1992. That's one fewer than UWGB.
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2016, 06:10:59 PM
Now, is being DePaul better or worse than being St. Louis?
Better. At least DePaul is in the Big East!
Quote from: BG-MU90 on February 16, 2016, 07:25:11 PM
They should offer free bus rides from the Bradley Center. That may get a few more butts in the seats!
How is that working now for the few blocks to the BC for home games?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 16, 2016, 07:27:15 PM
Anybody who thinks the last couple years makes us more like DePaul lacks perspective.
Now had we hired Mike Deane back...
Quote from: Goose on February 16, 2016, 06:37:32 PM
Tower
Let's not start talking SLU status just yet. Last time was a quite a long thread. Hate to say it but wish we had Dayton status at the moment. Crazy game and difficult to stay ahead of the curve.
Buzz had this program, well, buzzing for 7 years. We we're knocking on the door of the blue bloods for a cup of coffee at least. Pretty remarkable how things unfolded over the last three years. Could obviously be worse and we'll come back, but still difficult to swallow. If anything, it was a sober reminder that we're still far from a blue blood given our susceptibility to these dry spells.
Quote from: Goose on February 16, 2016, 06:37:32 PM
Tower
Let's not start talking SLU status just yet. Last time was a quite a long thread. Hate to say it but wish we had Dayton status at the moment. Crazy game and difficult to stay ahead of the curve.
Take Dayton status and GTFO then. If you want that you'll fit in nicely with those mouth breathers.
Quote from: PTM on February 16, 2016, 09:46:51 PM
Take Dayton status and GTFO then. If you want that you'll fit in nicely with those mouth breathers.
I think we all want Dayton status AT THE MOMENT. They're a top 20 team per polls, tourney bound.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 16, 2016, 10:02:51 PM
I think we all want Dayton status AT THE MOMENT. They're a top 20 team per polls, tourney bound.
If we traded places with them we'd be racking up wins in the A10 and they'd be fighting to stay above DePaul.
They lost by about 40 on a neutral court to their "rival" Xavier.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on February 16, 2016, 04:49:30 PM
Haha I got a call from them this morning. I answered because I assumed it was my dad, who has a 773 number at his office. Then I got an explanation that I had bought tickets last year and asked if I was interested for this year. The worst part was, it wasn't even a robot cold calling. It was literally a person. lol.
Haha, I got one too. I said the last two times I attended Marquette lost so no thanks.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 16, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
Buzz had this program, well, buzzing for 7 years. We we're knocking on the door of the blue bloods for a cup of coffee at least. Pretty remarkable how things unfolded over the last three years. Could obviously be worse and we'll come back, but still difficult to swallow. If anything, it was a sober reminder that we're still far from a blue blood given our susceptibility to these dry spells.
Well Buzz was only here for 6 years as head coach 5 of which were good so not sure about him having it buzzing for 7 years unless you're crediting him for his year as an assistant and still counting 13-14 as a win. That being said between Crean and Buzz we had a solid 12 year run.
Looking back this 3 or 4 year dry spell will be pretty much forgotten. It'll be like the 4 year spell between Deane's last two years and Wade's first year playing.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 16, 2016, 10:02:51 PM
I think we all want Dayton status AT THE MOMENT. They're a top 20 team per polls, tourney bound.
Garbage
Yep. I got the call yesterday.
Quote from: PTM on February 17, 2016, 06:44:46 AM
Garbage
Goose chose his words carefully. Let's not get to worked up. He said "status" and "at the moment." Insert any team better than MU this year within his statement and I agree with it. Let's get off our weird Dayton complex.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 17, 2016, 08:06:20 AM
Goose chose his words carefully. Let's not get to worked up. He said "status" and "at the moment." Insert any team better than MU this year within his statement and I agree with it. Let's get off our weird Dayton complex.
Yeah, their status at the moment is a mid-major, beating up on a terrible A-10.
Keep it.
PTM
You obviously do not read my posts or know what I want from the program. I want to be Duke, Kansas, Kentucky all rolled into one. I grew up looking at Xavier and Dayton as joke programs and honestly both are stronger than we are currently. One light years ahead of us and one better.
When you see me stop posting on you here then you know I have given up my dream for the program. As much as I love MU ball, which is a lot, I would lose interest in a hurry if Dayton was our model moving forward.
When we talk about the strength of programs, that goes beyond the won/loss record in any given year. Or even over a small stretch of years.
Xavier has done a fantastic job of building their program from the joke status of forty years ago to where they are now. They have committed resources and hired a run of great coaches. (Gillen/Prosser/Matta/Miller/Mack) But they aren't "light years" ahead of Marquette as a program. Sure they have been better on court the last couple of years, but Marquette devotes plenty of resources toward basketball. This is just a short-term speed bump more than it is some sort of Dukiet-like end to the program.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 08:59:56 AM
PTM
You obviously do not read my posts or know what I want from the program. I want to be Duke, Kansas, Kentucky all rolled into one. I grew up looking at Xavier and Dayton as joke programs and honestly both are stronger than we are currently. One light years ahead of us and one better.
When you see me stop posting on you here then you know I have given up my dream for the program. As much as I love MU ball, which is a lot, I would lose interest in a hurry if Dayton was our model moving forward.
Understood better.
Sultan pretty much sums up everything. If you want their record, fine, but Dayton's not light years ahead of Marquette. They may be winning a few battles, but they've got a long way to go to get to MU status.
Not to mention Dayton has had some extremely squirmy issues that no one would be proud of here.
Sultan
Strongly disagree on Xavier not being light years ahead of us at the MOMENT. Our trend, like it or not, is on negative path and Xavier has been consistently 20 win season program for years. In addition, they have not missed a beat on coaching transition. I find this very hard to say but we are more a stepping stone job than Xavier is right now. Almost threw up in my mouth saying that, but it is the sad truth.
We were last in conference last year. Now we are... well, not last.
PROGRESS!
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 10:27:22 AM
Sultan
Strongly disagree on Xavier not being light years ahead of us at the MOMENT. Our trend, like it or not, is on negative path and Xavier has been consistently 20 win season program for years. In addition, they have not missed a beat on coaching transition. I find this very hard to say but we are more a stepping stone job than Xavier is right now. Almost threw up in my mouth saying that, but it is the sad truth.
Their last four coaches have left for other jobs.
Too much recency bias.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 10:27:22 AM
Sultan
Strongly disagree on Xavier not being light years ahead of us at the MOMENT. Our trend, like it or not, is on negative path and Xavier has been consistently 20 win season program for years. In addition, they have not missed a beat on coaching transition. I find this very hard to say but we are more a stepping stone job than Xavier is right now. Almost threw up in my mouth saying that, but it is the sad truth.
I don't think that's fair goose. Mack is a local boy and there's absolutely zero indication that Wojo isn't here for the long term, whatever that is. I have no desire to rehash the Buzz departure but do understand that MU feels 'lucky' to have avoided paying the buyout. Right now, Xavier is having greater success. But 2 short years ago they were an A-10 program.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 10:27:22 AM
Sultan
Strongly disagree on Xavier not being light years ahead of us at the MOMENT. Our trend, like it or not, is on negative path and Xavier has been consistently 20 win season program for years. In addition, they have not missed a beat on coaching transition. I find this very hard to say but we are more a stepping stone job than Xavier is right now. Almost threw up in my mouth saying that, but it is the sad truth.
I agree that X is in a better place than us right now.
But our trend is not on a negative path. Last season, we won all of 13 games, despite having three seniors. This season, we have mostly frosh and sophs, and already have more wins than all of last year. We may not be improving as quickly as we would like, but we are definitely trending up, not down.
Goooo
Baby steps forward this year, agreed. I might be only guy on here that is scared of the product we will have on floor next year. Lot of optimism for next season on this board and I just do not see it. Attendance sucks, excitement level of loyal followers is on life support and students are showing up to games dressed as ghosts.
Again, I am not trying to be negative in the big picture. That said, I might be insane because I do not see how losing our best player and hoping guys improve big time is reason for optimism moving forward.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 10:27:22 AM
Sultan
Strongly disagree on Xavier not being light years ahead of us at the MOMENT. Our trend, like it or not, is on negative path and Xavier has been consistently 20 win season program for years. In addition, they have not missed a beat on coaching transition. I find this very hard to say but we are more a stepping stone job than Xavier is right now. Almost threw up in my mouth saying that, but it is the sad truth.
Xavier has done a good job of recognizing their "stepping stone" status and having a coach-in-waiting on the bench. Matta left and Miller was promoted. Miller left and Mack was promoted. Continuity helps.
When TC left, Buzz was promoted, everyone stayed (aside from recruit Tyshawn Taylor, IIRC) and the beat went on. Say what you want about Crean but going from MU to Indiana was a no-brainer just like leaving Xavier for Ohio State or Arizona was a no-brainer. Buzz's departure wasn't nearly as "cordial" which led to the break in continuity. If Buzz had bolted for Oklahoma when that rumor was hot, maybe Tony Benford gets promoted and the beat goes on. Who knows?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2016, 10:31:15 PM
If we traded places with them we'd be racking up wins in the A10 and they'd be fighting to stay above DePaul.
They lost by about 40 on a neutral court to their "rival" Xavier.
They beat Iowa. How'd that turn out for us?
jsglow
People were excited on here grabbing A-10 teams to join the new BE, so what is the point? Also, just four short years ago we were in E8 and ranked in top 8 in early preseason for the following year. I know why were not top 8 the next year but hopefully you get my point.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 10:47:35 AM
Goooo
Baby steps forward this year, agreed. I might be only guy on here that is scared of the product we will have on floor next year. Lot of optimism for next season on this board and I just do not see it. Attendance sucks, excitement level of loyal followers is on life support and students are showing up to games dressed as ghosts.
Again, I am not trying to be negative in the big picture. That said, I might be insane because I do not see how losing our best player and hoping guys improve big time is reason for optimism moving forward.
I'm basing my assessment of our trajectory on actual results - last year to this year. Next year is a crap shoot, since we don't know for sure whether Henry will leave and even if he leaves, we have no idea what types of player improvements, changes in team chemistry, etc will occur.
Remember a few years back when Harangody got injured for ND and everybody assumed that was the end of their season? They got better when he was out. Totally defied logic because he was clearly their best player, but the motion on their offense improved, other players stepped up, and they played their best basketball of the season without their best player.
I have no idea what next year will bring, but just like you aren't ready to assume we will be improved, I'm not ready to assume we won't.
Edit: One other thought. You could look at next season without Henry two ways. One would be to say "we're losing our best player." The other would be to say "we're returning 78% of our scoring and 74% of our rebounding."
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 11:36:57 AM
jsglow
People were excited on here grabbing A-10 teams to join the new BE, so what is the point? Also, just four short years ago we were in E8 and ranked in top 8 in early preseason for the following year. I know why were not top 8 the next year but hopefully you get my point.
I totally get it goose. It was a bumpy ride down from hanging that BEast banner 2+ years ago. You been to any games lately? The BC is a morgue with student attendance reflecting what folks think these days. I swear that at that Providence double OT there wasn't 500 kids in attendance at the very peak. Feels very much like going to the Allstate to watch a DePaul game. It's something I don't think our far flung brothers on here quite get. (No student bashing allowed or intended. Just the cold hard facts about the state of the program at this very moment.) Hopefully things get better soon.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 17, 2016, 11:53:31 AM
Edit: One other thought. You could look at next season without Henry two ways. One would be to say "we're losing our best player." The other would be to say "we're returning 78% of our scoring and 74% of our rebounding."
Returning production is the greatest indicator for improvement season to season. This is why I am so optimistic about next season, even if Henry goes.
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2016, 12:18:09 PM
I totally get it goose. It was a bumpy ride down from hanging that BEast banner 2+ years ago. You been to any games lately? The BC is a morgue with student attendance reflecting what folks think these days. I swear that at that Providence double OT there wasn't 500 kids in attendance at the very peak. Feels very much like going to the Allstate to watch a DePaul game. It's something I don't think our far flung brothers on here quite get. (No student bashing allowed or intended. Just the cold hard facts about the state of the program at this very moment.) Hopefully things get better soon.
It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. The crowds are down a bit, yes, but to compare it to a DePaul game is an exaggeration. There are fans there but, quite frankly, there hasn't been a whole lot to cheer about. MU is just 11-6 at home, 3-4 in conf. They either beat up on no-names or get beat by conference opponents. Attendance is also hurt by the fact that most of the big marquee Big East teams are gone. Xavier, Butler and Creighton simply don't have the same mass appeal as Notre Dame, Louisville and Syracuse. Those opponents will drawn even if MU is having a down year. If MU wants to draw big, loud crowds, it's basically all on the program to win.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 08:59:56 AM
PTM
.... I want to be Duke, Kansas, Kentucky all rolled into one. I grew up looking at Xavier and Dayton as joke programs ...
I guess I want that too...but if that becomes an expectation, you spend your whole life as a fan angry at your team, the coach, the administration....the cheerleaders are even too ugly...
But that's no way to be a fan....sure I hate it when someone chucks up a stupid three (for the third time in a row)...or a 30sec clock violation...or another 20 turnover game.
I think you got to keep hoping...and don't have goals that always generate "blame" for someone.
"I want to be Duke, Kansas, Kentucky all rolled into one." - yeah, I want that too but that's not my measure as a fan.
Personally I hope on an NCAA tourney bid in the regular season...when that's out-of-sight I look to a miracle in the BET. next loss and the regular season is shot wrt the Tourney...BET miracle is possible.
If I were a DePaul fan, at the start of the season, I would probably be hoping on a 500 season in the BE and a BET miracle as well.
For the Bucks I am looking for Giannis to consistently hit jumpers and somehow they reach 500...or at least a 5 game win streak. All unexpected but something to look forward too.
Merritt
I agree with you on the marquee BE teams being gone and replaced by perennial MU cupcakes. That is the exact reason why I was not jacked up about the new BE and felt taking time to select the right teams made more sense than picking the "obvious" teams. All part of the big problem IMO. Our conference is fine overall but lacks sex appeal with marquee teams. Add to the mix a NC schedule that is embarrassing.
jsglow
I was Butler and Providence game and was shocked by student section. Felt badly for Wojo handing out donuts to small crowd at Butler game and at tipoff at Providence there were not 100 students there. I think the lack of student excitement is becoming a major negative for the program.
Maybe I don't see it as bad considering my time in school, but 03-05 were much worse than this. I don't remember a collective pants-pooping on Scoop back then.
Quote from: PTM on February 17, 2016, 01:09:44 PM
Maybe I don't see it as bad considering my time in school, but 03-05 were much worse than this. I don't remember a collective pants-pooping on Scoop back then.
Scoop didn't exist then. I do remember Chicos defending Crean's honor with every fiber of his being on the jsonline site.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2016, 05:39:08 PM
...we did lose to DePaul on our home court not too long ago...
Marquette hasn't been beaten by DePaul twice in a single season since 1991.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Scoop didn't exist then. I do remember Chicos defending Crean's honor with every fiber of his being on the jsonline site.
Rivals, I meant Rivals.
Quote from: ZaLiN on February 17, 2016, 11:25:10 AM
They beat Iowa. How'd that turn out for us?
They lost to Xavier by 30. We played them tough twice.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 17, 2016, 01:17:05 PM
They lost to Xavier by 30. We played them tough twice.
Doesn't comparing loss margins make us more like DePaul
jsheim
Respect your opinion, yet do not share it. Many of us on here lived through being the 2nd best program for a decade and have experienced every up and down since. If the goal of the university is not for the program to be elite I have little interest in supporting it. I have ZERO knowledge that is the case but by my eye test they are closer to Dayton than elite.
Please note---I am using Dayton for my whipping boy rather than SLU. In honor of Rick on his bday Dayton is my new program I do not want to become.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 17, 2016, 01:20:27 PM
Doesn't comparing loss margins make us more like DePaul
Yes. Just was trying to point out the idiocy of his argument.
Quote from: PTM on February 17, 2016, 01:15:29 PM
Rivals, I meant Rivals.
Marquette has a rivals site / message board?
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 17, 2016, 01:34:54 PM
Marquette has a rivals site / message board?
There was. The start of Scoop pretty much killed it off.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 01:23:19 PM
jsheim
Respect your opinion, yet do not share it. Many of us on here lived through being the 2nd best program for a decade and have experienced every up and down since. If the goal of the university is not for the program to be elite I have little interest in supporting it. I have ZERO knowledge that is the case but by my eye test they are closer to Dayton than elite.
While that might be the goal of the University, the chances of that goal being obtained is not very likely.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 17, 2016, 01:43:38 PM
While that might be the goal of the University, the chances of that goal being obtained is not very likely.
What is fair to consider is whether the university is getting appropriate bang for the buck, however. We spend many, many millions funding like an elite. Can't believe sitting in 8th long term would be considered acceptable. Not saying we'll stay there but on 2/17/16 the economics aren't working. Let's hope that's temporary. Very temporary.
Quote from: PTM on February 17, 2016, 01:41:30 PM
There was. The start of Scoop pretty much killed it off.
Thatta boy scoop :) is Dodds a pay site?
jsglow
You and Chick know more about the behind scenes things than anyone out here. From my arm's length perspective I am not so sure they get it quite yet. No offense to Lovell, but all of this might be bigger than his skill set. He seems to be making solid moves in general and might not have his eye on the ball when comes to hoops.
While I still talk MU ball with people, both long time fans to current MU students, I do not think I have ever felt a more blah vibe about MU ball since the Dukiet era. The difference with Dukiet era was there was rage because it was still close enough time wise to Al's run. Since Buzz's last season, which I still believe he tanked, there has been little to cheer about. Hope the school is watching and realizes how important MU basketball is to the overall university.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
jsglow
You and Chick know more about the behind scenes things than anyone out here. From my arm's length perspective I am not so sure they get it quite yet. No offense to Lovell, but all of this might be bigger than his skill set. He seems to be making solid moves in general and might not have his eye on the ball when comes to hoops.
While I still talk MU ball with people, both long time fans to current MU students, I do not think I have ever felt a more blah vibe about MU ball since the Dukiet era. The difference with Dukiet era was there was rage because it was still close enough time wise to Al's run. Since Buzz's last season, which I still believe he tanked, there has been little to cheer about. Hope the school is watching and realizes how important MU basketball is to the overall university.
In my opinion, we are reaping the benefits of a very poor transition from Wild to Whats His Name. From what I have seen at alumni events on the east coast, at least early on, Lovell gets it. I just hope things turn soon and the urgency & commitment to succeed continues.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
jsglow
You and Chick know more about the behind scenes things than anyone out here. From my arm's length perspective I am not so sure they get it quite yet. No offense to Lovell, but all of this might be bigger than his skill set. He seems to be making solid moves in general and might not have his eye on the ball when comes to hoops.
While I still talk MU ball with people, both long time fans to current MU students, I do not think I have ever felt a more blah vibe about MU ball since the Dukiet era. The difference with Dukiet era was there was rage because it was still close enough time wise to Al's run. Since Buzz's last season, which I still believe he tanked, there has been little to cheer about. Hope the school is watching and realizes how important MU basketball is to the overall university.
Disagree. I think Lovell and the administration are looking more long-term/big picture. MU may have a handful of NIT-caliber seasons, but they're going to let Wojo build his program into what they believe will be a perennial tournament team and Big East contender.
Also, there's not a chance in the world that Buzz tanked a season.
Goose, I do not believe Buzz tanked a season. I believe that the combination of Otule staying (ultimately causing McKay to leave) and Vander leaving left an unbalanced roster devoid of experienced playmakers. Combine disappointment with his team with a perceived lack of support from administration and voila, VT. I also think that MU believes the basketball program has a plan in place for the long term, that Wojo will be here for a decade and during that time MU will return to national relevance. I hope they are proven right. But I do not believe for a second believe that MU is deliberately choosing mediocrity.
Merritt and Tower
I 100% believe Buzz would have "left" a year earlier but reaching E8 made it too late in the process. He was a lame duck, and a bitter one, during his last season.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 17, 2016, 09:07:28 AM
When we talk about the strength of programs, that goes beyond the won/loss record in any given year. Or even over a small stretch of years.
Xavier has done a fantastic job of building their program from the joke status of forty years ago to where they are now. They have committed resources and hired a run of great coaches. (Gillen/Prosser/Matta/Miller/Mack) But they aren't "light years" ahead of Marquette as a program. Sure they have been better on court the last couple of years, but Marquette devotes plenty of resources toward basketball. This is just a short-term speed bump more than it is some sort of Dukiet-like end to the program.
Guess it depends what you mean by "light years" and what you consider the last "couple of years". We were roughly Xavier's equal during the Buzz era but they've been substantially better in the short, medium and long term other than that. Since 2000, X has made the NCAA tournament 14 of 16 times and has 17 tournament wins (and counting). We're 10 for 16 and stuck on 13 wins. Between 1985 and 2000 they made 10 of 15 tournaments and won 6 games. We made it 4 of 15 and won 3 games. So in the last 31 years they've gone to the tourney 10 more times than us and won 7 more games.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 03:05:24 PM
Merritt and Tower
I 100% believe Buzz would have "left" a year earlier but reaching E8 made it too late in the process. He was a lame duck, and a bitter one, during his last season.
Where would he have gone after that season? UCLA? Texas Tech? USC? MU's season ended on March 30. All of those teams filled their vacancies on April 1. If any of them wanted Buzz, they would have waited a couple more days.
He ended up going VA Tech with a pay cut. He stayed because MU needed him to stay and not because he wanted to stay. This has been rehashed a thousand times over past couple of years.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 17, 2016, 01:25:48 PM
Yes. Just was trying to point out the idiocy of his argument.
My point was about a win over a team that blew us out as bad X did to them. Wins and losses are absolute. You are the one who brought up loss margin.
You claimed to prove me wrong with a metric you admitted was stupid.
Quote from: ZaLiN on February 17, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
My point was about a win over a team that blew us out as bad X did to them. Wins and losses are absolute. You are the one who brought up loss margin.
You claimed to prove me wrong with a metric you admitted was stupid.
I'm not trying to claim anything. Transitive property doesn't work in any sport, and definitely not college basketball.
Hell, it doesn't even matter if you beat someone. We beat UW on the road, Providence twice, and LSU. I don't think we're better than any of those teams. And DePaul sure as hell isn't better than us.
Won't we be DePaul if we lose to DePaul on Saturday?
Quote from: Marqevans on February 18, 2016, 02:54:42 PM
Won't we be DePaul if we lose to DePaul on Saturday?
Yup, just like Highlander.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
jsglow
You and Chick know more about the behind scenes things than anyone out here. From my arm's length perspective I am not so sure they get it quite yet. No offense to Lovell, but all of this might be bigger than his skill set. He seems to be making solid moves in general and might not have his eye on the ball when comes to hoops.
While I still talk MU ball with people, both long time fans to current MU students, I do not think I have ever felt a more blah vibe about MU ball since the Dukiet era. The difference with Dukiet era was there was rage because it was still close enough time wise to Al's run. Since Buzz's last season, which I still believe he tanked, there has been little to cheer about. Hope the school is watching and realizes how important MU basketball is to the overall university.
Very kind of you goose. I'm not sure our access is any better than some but we certainly do serve on a few committees, meet and talk to people, and keep our eyes open. I must say our access is mostly non-athletic in nature. No doubt folks like BD have much better athletic access.
Here's what I will say. I think it's a mistake to either underestimate Dr. Lovell or think that he's not committed to basketball. Lovell approaches the job much differently than Fr. Wild did. Unlike Wild, Lovell is not a comfortable, personable conversationalist and fundraiser. I think we all would admit that Fr. Wild has a unique ability to make every person he interacts with feel like the most important person on earth. In contrast, Lovell approaches the job like the engineer he is. His great gift is unlimited energy and an ability to drive the herd in a way not seen before. Working directly for him would wear me out in 6 months. But using that approach tons can be accomplished.
In many ways, Lovell and Wojo are very similar. Both seem to be tireless workers committed to a vision for how a university and/or a basketball program ought to be run. Now it's fair to say that not everyone agrees 100% with Lovell's direction which seems to be greater collaboration and direct community involvement (think of the Athletic Health project, Avenues West, and the freshwater project) possibly at the expense of other more traditional goals. As for basketball, Wojo clearly has a path in mind that he intends to follow. I guess time will tell with both.
Quote from: Marqevans on February 18, 2016, 02:54:42 PM
Won't we be DePaul if we lose to DePaul on Saturday?
We beat Providence twice. Does that make us Providence?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 19, 2016, 08:50:14 AM
We beat Providence twice. Are we Providence?
45 out of 50 years I would take that as an insult too.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 19, 2016, 08:51:03 AM
45 out of 50 years I would take that as an insult too.
I'm talking this year.
jsglow
Great insight. I have no doubt Lovell is committed and is a high energy guy. I see him running down Wisconsin Ave from my office window often and the guy is cranking it. I guess my point was does he have his eye on the basketball program or is he more focused big picture? He is making changes and I applaud him for that, because long term it will make MU a better place. Hope that have top tier ball program is high on his list moving forward!!
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2016, 01:23:19 PM
jsheim
Respect your opinion, yet do not share it. Many of us on here lived through being the 2nd best program for a decade and have experienced every up and down since. If the goal of the university is not for the program to be elite I have little interest in supporting it. I have ZERO knowledge that is the case but by my eye test they are closer to Dayton than elite.
Please note---I am using Dayton for my whipping boy rather than SLU. In honor of Rick on his bday Dayton is my new program I do not want to become.
OK, is true I don't relate to those days...I mostly relate to the late Crean and Buzz years. And I can guess that if Duke didn't make the tourney for three years and had 1 elite 8 in a decade, they might be a bit unhappy. But as has been said, I just don't want to be angry for so long a time...and I've enjoyed following this year though disappointed for sure.
Maryland just lost to Minnesota, which hadn't won a Big Ten game all season.
Would a Marquette loss at DePaul be "better" or "worse"?
Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2016, 07:52:11 PM
Maryland just lost to Minnesota, which hadn't won a Big Ten game all season.
Would a Marquette loss at DePaul be "better" or "worse"?
Worse, we'd have been swept in a season series by a 175 RPI team.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 19, 2016, 08:02:40 PM
Worse, we'd have been swept in a season series by a 175 RPI team.
No. Better. Not even close. We're nowhere near Maryland and DePaul is better than Minnesota.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 19, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
No. Better. Not even close. We're nowhere near Maryland and DePaul is better than Minnesota.
This is one of those things that mathematically makes sense but in reality has no bearing on reality. Losing to DePaul twice would be bad for the team and a disappointment regardless of whether or not other NCAA tourney teams had a bad loss.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 19, 2016, 10:07:13 PM
This is one of those things that mathematically makes sense but in reality has no bearing on reality. Losing to DePaul twice would be bad for the team and a disappointment regardless of whether or not other NCAA tourney teams had a bad loss.
But the question did not include the previous loss. It was a potential loss tomorrow vs. Marylands loss yesterday.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 19, 2016, 08:50:14 AM
We beat Providence twice. Does that make us Providence?
Yes, but DePaul beat Providence also.
Quote from: Marqevans on February 20, 2016, 07:59:04 AM
Yes, but DePaul beat Providence also.
So we're all Providence...but MU is also DePaul. Is anybody Kevin Bacon?
I miss the days of debating proper "Slaps of Five" etiquette. How the mighty have fallen.
Let's "bitch slap" the Demons and get our Wojo back.
Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2016, 07:52:11 PM
Maryland just lost to Minnesota, which hadn't won a Big Ten game all season.
Would a Marquette loss at DePaul be "better" or "worse"?
Multiple losses in the same season to a sub 150 RPI team would be hard to top for futility. If DePaul beats us again there's no solace in another fanbase's agony or embarrassment.
Don't think it will happen, though. Go Warriors!
It was nice to have an in-conference laugher.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Scoop didn't exist then. I do remember Chicos defending Crean's honor with every fiber of his being on the jsonline site.
Moral of the story: Chicos is one gigantic loser