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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Macallan 18 on January 29, 2016, 09:54:49 AM
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As a younger alum, I enjoy reading stories about what campus was like back in the day. Sounds like campus was a lot more lively with all the watering holes to socialize in. Unfortunately the online story does not include the map from the print version which showed the location of all the defunct campus bars.
http://marquettewire.org/3941514/tribune/tribune-news/throwback-drinking-age-changed-to-21-in-1986-campus-bars-closed/ (http://marquettewire.org/3941514/tribune/tribune-news/throwback-drinking-age-changed-to-21-in-1986-campus-bars-closed/)
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Too bad about the map; I'd have liked to have seen it. Thanks for the article, though. Brings back many memories.
My best friend and I used to talk about getting enough money saved after 10-15 years in the workforce to buy a bar around campus. We considered it a "sure thing." Obviously, we weren't even thinking about drinking age possibly going up.
Going to the bars was such a major part of the culture of attending Marquette when I did. Every Friday and Saturday, they were packed, and Thursdays became a very popular night also, as most of them had specials; more and more students tried hard to avoid scheduling Friday morning classes. My friends and I often went out every night of the week -- yeah, we were quite the drunk-ass dopes -- and my personal favorite was Sundays because they weren't as crowded.
A few of them, especially Grunts and later O'Donovan's, were populated by high school kids. I assume they had fake IDs. I know I had a little fun with a few high school girls -- I was too stupid/horny to even think about age of consent and all that. Different era.
Frankly, it's hard for me to even imagine what kids must do now instead of going to the bars. They were SUCH a part of the Marquette experience when I was there. They advertised in the dorms, advertised in the Tribune, had specials most nights, competed with each other for our precious dollars.
The school would keep the Rec Center open from 10 p.m. until 2 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. They called it "Alternative to the Bars," they helped organize pick-up basketball games, and they let students play tennis for free. We used to go play basketball until about midnight and THEN go out, so it wasn't really an alternative for us but a bonus. Very easy to do, especially on Saturdays -- when the bars were open till 3:30.
The school actually encouraged dorm residents to throw keggers, and had information available on how to plan them. On the 4th floor of McCormick my freshman year, we had about one major bash a month. The school bar in the basement of the old union, the Mugrack, was packed on Friday afternoons and nights because they brought in music.
How the hell did we get any schoolwork done? Looking back, it was a major accomplishment to have graduated in 4 years!!
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Too bad about the map; I'd have liked to have seen it. Thanks for the article, though. Brings back many memories.
My best friend and I used to talk about getting enough money saved after 10-15 years in the workforce to buy a bar around campus. We considered it a "sure thing." Obviously, we weren't even thinking about drinking age possibly going up.
Going to the bars was such a major part of the culture of attending Marquette when I did. Every Friday and Saturday, they were packed, and Thursdays became a very popular night also, as most of them had specials; more and more students tried hard to avoid scheduling Friday morning classes. My friends and I often went out every night of the week -- yeah, we were quite the drunk-ass dopes -- and my personal favorite was Sundays because they weren't as crowded.
A few of them, especially Grunts and later O'Donovan's, were populated by high school kids. I assume they had fake IDs. I know I had a little fun with a few high school girls -- I was too stupid/horny to even think about age of consent and all that. Different era.
Frankly, it's hard for me to even imagine what kids must do now instead of going to the bars. They were SUCH a part of the Marquette experience when I was there. They advertised in the dorms, advertised in the Tribune, had specials most nights, competed with each other for our precious dollars.
The school would keep the Rec Center open from 10 p.m. until 2 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. They called it "Alternative to the Bars," they helped organize pick-up basketball games, and they let students play tennis for free. We used to go play basketball until about midnight and THEN go out, so it wasn't really an alternative for us but a bonus. Very easy to do, especially on Saturdays -- when the bars were open till 3:30.
The school actually encouraged dorm residents to throw keggers, and had information available on how to plan them. On the 4th floor of McCormick my freshman year, we had about one major bash a month. The school bar in the basement of the old union, the Mugrack, was packed on Friday afternoons and nights because they brought in music.
How the hell did we get any schoolwork done? Looking back, it was a major accomplishment to have graduated in 4 years!!
God, college was awesome! ;D
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God, college was awesome! ;D
As I often say: "Hated school, but LOVED college!"
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Closed Hegarty's every Sunday my first semester junior year. A female friend who went out to a bar every night her last semester. Bringing beer to a 9 AM class my senior year to share with the class and Dr. Rhodes. Special Ex because he had mentioned it was his favorite. Convincing a visiting poli sci prof to have his finals review at Hegarty's, discovering he had a weakness for Guinness and plying him with that magic elixir while he gave us all of the answers he was looking for on the final. Death marches.
When I visited MU as a high school senior, the freshman who put me up on Friday night before a scholarship exam the next morning was having a floor party. 7 kegs. A wet bar. A 17 year high schooler who didn't need to hit the bar. Making out with a cute little high school senior staying at O'Donnell before seeing her again at the schollie test the nest morning. On Saturday, I stayed with some sophomores in McCormick in a triple who stole an ID for me, rustled up a pair of shoes and went and played basketball at the Rec Center until 1 in the morning. How could I go anywhere else?
Weekends starting on Wednesday night with $1 imports at the Ardmore. Thursday nights were either quarter taps or $2 pitchers. Friday and Saturday were givens. In 4 years, I never missed a class due to hangover. A point of honor. I fought through some ridiculous hangovers to do it. One so bad that I got motion sick on the elevator ride down to the lobby. College rocked.
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In 4 years, I never missed a class due to hangover. A point of honor. I fought through some ridiculous hangovers to do it. One so bad that I got motion sick on the elevator ride down to the lobby.
That is effen impressive.
I missed a ton of classes. A TON. Any class that wasn't in my major in which attendance wasn't kept, I'm sure I skipped it more often than I attended it. If the prof (or T.A.) was just reading from the textbook, shyte, I could do that myself. So to never miss a class, I bow to you.
My badge of honor (which I've mentioned previously so won't go into huge detail) was going out to the bars every single night of every finals week for 4 years. We are ... Marquette!
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Close the bars, go to Real Chili, open up Lenny's ay 6am.
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My badge of honor (which I've mentioned previously so won't go into huge detail) was going out to the bars every single night of every finals week for 4 years. We are ... Marquette!
You have mentioned that before but, frankly, you should.
Damned impressive feat. I stand in awe, Mike. Truly.
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Naked Beer Slides....fun days.
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I was there as things were cooling down fast.
Had fun at the bars, but it was pretty much Heg's or Angelos. I celebrated all of my four 21st birthdays at Heg's
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The Lens with the quote. Nicely done.
It was definitely part of the culture when I was there.
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Close the bars, go to Real Chili, open up Lenny's ay 6am.
We all did the stay in Lenny's from open to close gig. Monster days, man.
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That article is not exactly correct. Yes the drinking age did change in 1986, but I can report that it had no effect on the bar scene. All were going quite strong when I graduated in 90.
I also seriously doubt that students attitudes towards drinking changed or that such a change affected the bars.
It is a shame that current students cannot enjoy the Marquette bar scene of the past.
As a younger alum, I enjoy reading stories about what campus was like back in the day. Sounds like campus was a lot more lively with all the watering holes to socialize in. Unfortunately the online story does not include the map from the print version which showed the location of all the defunct campus bars.
http://marquettewire.org/3941514/tribune/tribune-news/throwback-drinking-age-changed-to-21-in-1986-campus-bars-closed/ (http://marquettewire.org/3941514/tribune/tribune-news/throwback-drinking-age-changed-to-21-in-1986-campus-bars-closed/)
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remember putting your quarter(yup quarter) on the pool table? watching the matches was like watching the
matingritual of bighorn sheep going head to head, always with a close eye on the real prize(s) watching off to
the side.
there was an air of "pool table cool" hanging there. some would walk in with their own sticks. uncasing and
screwing them together, you knew everyone was watching. then your turn would come up and the guy using
the beat up, warped, no french tip bat stick would run the table without you getting a shot.....saw that scene
played out over many a pitcher of dogstyle with flaming shots in between. that was really cool too until the
dude with the al queda beard lit himself on fire and didn't know it. then out came the bacardi 151...ouch!
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I was there as things were cooling down fast.
Had fun at the bars, but it was pretty much Heg's or Angelos. I celebrated all of my four 21st birthdays at Heg's
Sorry...Angelo's was a pizza place, not a bar.
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Sorry...Angelo's was a pizza place, not a bar.
some people like to really let their hair down sometimes and go for the gusto-hey....na?
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remember putting your quarter(yup quarter) on the pool table?
I remember my buddies and I going to Harp & Shamrock on Wells and putting a fiver on the bar at the start of the night. And after 2-3 (or 4) hours of enjoying our favorite beverages, the five would STILL BE THERE at 2 a.m.
The bartender LOVED us -- I think he got a kick out of our dopey conversations -- and he wouldn't take our money.
So much fun.
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I remember my buddies and I going to Harp & Shamrock on Wells and putting a fiver on the bar at the start of the night. And after 2-3 (or 4) hours of enjoying our favorite beverages, the five would STILL BE THERE at 2 a.m.
The bartender LOVED us -- I think he got a kick out of our dopey conversations -- and he wouldn't take our money.
So much fun.
That place is a cesspool of underagers now a days. The Harp and Shame is something else.
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Sorry...Angelo's was a pizza place, not a bar.
It was a great fresh/soph bar with bad pizza when I was there. The other bars clamped down on underage patrons. MU tightened down on many places and there were rumors that they would threaten your enrollment if caught with a fake
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It was a great fresh/soph bar with bad pizza when I was there. The other bars clamped down on underage patrons. MU tightened down on many places and there were rumors that they would threaten your enrollment if caught with a fake
Angelos rarely checked IDs. My recollection is that there were other bars that if you went either early or late, rarely checked too. Hegartys. Ardmore. (Except on import night.)
Places like the Lanche and the Gym were very hard to get into without a real good fake ID.
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It was a great fresh/soph bar with bad pizza when I was there. The other bars clamped down on underage patrons. MU tightened down on many places and there were rumors that they would threaten your enrollment if caught with a fake
In my day, being labeled a "freshman" bar was a death knell. Once Grunt's got that moniker, the place was a morgue.
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remember that joint which is now a parking garage on 16th street between the ardmore and angelos? the circle
inn, or something like that. most MU students avoided this place like the plague, and was known more for
"milwaukee" people or UWM and/or mount mary gals-aka, the merry mounties ;). still scratching my
head on where that name came from-or scratching something-heyna?
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remember that joint which is now a parking garage on 16th street between the ardmore and angelos? the circle
inn, or something like that. most MU students avoided this place like the plague, and was known more for
"milwaukee" people or UWM and/or mount mary gals-aka, the merry mounties ;). still scratching my
head on where that name came from-or scratching something-heyna?
Yep, Circle Inn. I think it closed after my Frosh year.
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It was a great fresh/soph bar with bad pizza when I was there. The other bars clamped down on underage patrons. MU tightened down on many places and there were rumors that they would threaten your enrollment if caught with a fake
Isn't that why Angelos closed....caught too may times with underage drinkers later on in life.
I agree with chick, back in the day it was never considered a bar.
I attribute most of my cholesterol to Angelos pepperoni. The pepperoni would curl up into the shape of a little cup and be full of grease. Just wonderful!
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Isn't that why Angelos closed....caught too may times with underage drinkers later on in life.
I agree with chick, back in the day it was never considered a bar.
I attribute most of my cholesterol to Angelos pepperoni. The pepperoni would curl up into the shape of a little cup and be full of grease. Just wonderful!
The official reason why Angelo's closed was that the owner was ill and wanted to sell. But I am pretty sure the University wasn't thrilled with its reputation as an underage drinking establishment, and jumped on the chance to acquire it.
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2963.0;nowap
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2963.0;nowap
Lots of former posters in that thread.
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Is F*ckin' still kickin' it, hey?
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Lots of former posters in that thread.
Hopefully, reincarnated and not lost to the MU swamp water.
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The pepperoni would curl up into the shape of a little cup and be full of grease.
I can feel the flesh of roof of my mouth searing with blinding pain as that hot grease scalds it like napalm
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Lots of former posters in that thread.
I miss Ammo.
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Bars were pretty whittled down by the time I showed up in 99. Go to's were Caff's and Murph's with Heg's for a change of pace. Blo's was bad pizza and/or freshmen trolling. I hit the Gloc a couple of times before it closed down in 01 I think.
Murph's was the go to, especially when they stupidly had a $1 pitcher with a game ticket promo....got a bunch of tickets for frosh at the game, bought 20 pitchers and just started giving away beer...kings for a night
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That tribute to Greenfield Liquors has stood the test of time.
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Bars were pretty whittled down by the time I showed up in 99. Go to's were Caff's and Murph's with Heg's for a change of pace. Blo's was bad pizza and/or freshmen trolling. I hit the Gloc a couple of times before it closed down in 01 I think.
Murph's was the go to, especially when they stupidly had a $1 pitcher with a game ticket promo....got a bunch of tickets for frosh at the game, bought 20 pitchers and just started giving away beer...kings for a night
You kids missed all the fun. :)
Today it seems that students head east more than not. While both my kids are/were well know at Caf's, they both probably spent nearly as much time on Water or in Cathedral Square.
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i'll never forget F.V. grunts-after i watched our warriors lose in the 1st round to miami of ohio. they throw jerome whitehead out of the game in the first half for coming down with a 'bound and protecting his space with elbows. it was my freshman year and they were returning with a better team(minus al and bo ellis) than the one that won it all. so much for national champ respect. i could never go back in there again
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You kids missed all the fun. :)
Today it seems that students head east more than not. While both my kids are/were well know at Caf's, they both probably spent nearly as much time on Water or in Cathedral Square.
Buckheads on 3rd was huge with the free beer or $1 mixer parties (RIP). OGBH was the spot on Thursdays for me and my friends. Uglys started to become popular but my favorite area was Brady street. The garage was great and Joe Cats is may favorite dive bar of all time.
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That place is a cesspool of underagers now a days. The Harp and Shame is something else.
Really? The dive bar on Wells between 21st and 22nd is now a haven for the kiddies?
When my friends and I went there our junior and senior years, we usually were (BY FAR) the youngest customers. Aside from us, the average age was just about deceased!
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Really? The dive bar on Wells between 21st and 22nd is now a haven for the kiddies?
When my friends and I went there our junior and senior years, we usually were (BY FAR) the youngest customers. Aside from us, the average age was just about deceased!
Yup, same place. It got so bad it actually got raided in like November. I think therr were any bar raids in the prior 4 years either.
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there was a place between 21st-22nd wells called the talk of the town. not real big with MU students, but that was demolished some time ago. tomas was on ? 20th and wells? wasn't the midget bar somewhere around here also? otherwise, not sure which place you guys are referring to at 21st-22nd
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there was a place between 21st-22nd wells called the talk of the town. not real big with MU students, but that was demolished some time ago. tomas was on ? 20th and wells? wasn't the midget bar somewhere around here also? otherwise, not sure which place you guys are referring to at 21st-22nd
Talk was more cocktail lounge than bar. Tomas was famous for meeting girls. Or at least the only girl I ever cared about.
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Bars were pretty whittled down by the time I showed up in 99. Go to's were Caff's and Murph's with Heg's for a change of pace. Blo's was bad pizza and/or freshmen trolling. I hit the Gloc a couple of times before it closed down in 01 I think.
Murph's was the go to, especially when they stupidly had a $1 pitcher with a game ticket promo....got a bunch of tickets for frosh at the game, bought 20 pitchers and just started giving away beer...kings for a night
Glock must have made it until 03, I made it a few times when I turned 21 that year.
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Yup, same place. It got so bad it actually got raided in like November. I think therr were any bar raids in the prior 4 years either.
Is Conway's still around?
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There is MUScoop Wiki page.
I noticed Amigo's was missing. I started by MU career there.
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Really? The dive bar on Wells between 21st and 22nd is now a haven for the kiddies?
When my friends and I went there our junior and senior years, we usually were (BY FAR) the youngest customers. Aside from us, the average age was just about deceased!
Aldo Tase, a 2011 graduate of the College of Engineering, bought Harp and Shamrock in 2105 and wants to make it more Marquette-oriented. The majority of customers are regulars that have been coming in for 20 to 30 years and only a quarter of business came from Marquette.
Tase’s immediate goals for the bar include placing greater focus on its historical richness and marketing it to students. He also wants to update the drink and beer selection, cater and host events for televised sporting events and run special promotions.
http://marquettewire.org/3915847/news/marquette-alumnus-to-revamp-harp-and-shamrock-bar/ (http://marquettewire.org/3915847/news/marquette-alumnus-to-revamp-harp-and-shamrock-bar/)
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Is Conway's still around?
Yes, still going strong. They used to have free pool on Monday or Tuesday night, not sure if they still do.
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That place is a cesspool of underagers now a days. The Harp and Shame is something else.
That's a change since 2010 then. Was much more the older, local crowd.
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There is MUScoop Wiki page.
I noticed Amigo's was missing. I started by MU career there.
Was Amigos the one on the corner of 16th and Wells? Across Wells from Angelos?
There was also that other pizza place that began with a G. Gillianos? Greasy, greasy pizza. And they never checked IDs.
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Was Amigos the one on the corner of 16th and Wells? Across Wells from Angelos?
There was also that other pizza place that began with a G. Gillianos? Greasy, greasy pizza. And they never checked IDs.
I think it was Guilliano's. Although I was usually crosseyed and painless by the time I wandered in there.
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Was Amigos the one on the corner of 16th and Wells? Across Wells from Angelos?
There was also that other pizza place that began with a G. Gillianos? Greasy, greasy pizza. And they never checked IDs.
Amigos was more like 15th I believe.
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Jesus, did they even have academic buildings back in the day? Or were there just like separate rooms in the bar where class was held?
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Talk was more cocktail lounge than bar. Tomas was famous for meeting girls. Or at least the only girl I ever cared about.
it was set up like a cocktail lounge because back in the day, al dimeola ran it as such. but i worked/managed it from 1980-82. we spun records and served up adult bevies. another milwaukee type bar, not many students. after grandma dimeola passed(she lived upstairs) and wayne b. bought a place out in tess corners, they demolished it. if walls could talk....
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Was Amigos the one on the corner of 16th and Wells? Across Wells from Angelos?
There was also that other pizza place that began with a G. Gillianos? Greasy, greasy pizza. And they never checked IDs.
Amigos was near 16th and Wells, just west of Grunts. It opened in about 1981. In the late 70's, that location was Famous Joe's NY Style Pizza. When I graduated it was still Amigos.
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it was set up like a cocktail lounge because back in the day, al dimeola ran it as such. but i worked/managed it from 1980-82. we spun records and served up adult bevies. another milwaukee type bar, not many students. after grandma dimeola passed(she lived upstairs) and wayne b. bought a place out in tess corners, they demolished it. if walls could talk....
I liked Talk of the Town, and had a few cocktails there during your timeframe. However, I generally went there because some of the girls I knew liked it. If I was going out with the guys, the starting spot (and/or finishing spot) was usually to the Lanche or the Gym.
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Amigos was near 16th and Wells, just west of Grunts. It opened in about 1981. In the late 70's, that location was Famous Joe's NY Style Pizza. When I graduated it was still Amigos.
Right, right. Thanks for refreshing my memory. Just west of Grunts.
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it was set up like a cocktail lounge because back in the day, al dimeola ran it as such. but i worked/managed it from 1980-82. we spun records and served up adult bevies. another milwaukee type bar, not many students. after grandma dimeola passed(she lived upstairs) and wayne b. bought a place out in tess corners, they demolished it. if walls could talk....
We used to have a group that occasionally sat at that round table way in the back. One night there a guy in our group who acted very inappropriately toward the girlfriend of one of us and was publicly called out by the group. 'Dude, WTF?' That guy is now in prison, probably for life.
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I liked Talk of the Town, and had a few cocktails there during your timeframe. However, I generally went there because some of the girls I knew liked it. If I was going out with the guys, the starting spot (and/or finishing spot) was usually to the Lanche or the Gym.
cool-it was a nice place, but had a tendency to be a little more pricey and didn't run the deals like the gym, the lanche and hegs. i also tended bar at heggarty's, then managed the apartment building above. lived right above gerry boyle's office. worked for "old man" heggarty before he passed-he was a real "throw-back" irish bar owner. he was a cop back in ireland before he immigrated here. funny thing-about once a month or so, he would give me an envelope filled with cash to give to the alderman, hmmmmmmmmm nice place ya got here jimmy.....that alderman ended up getting in trouble for some other issues, but just sayin
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We used to have a group that occasionally sat at that round table way in the back. One night there a guy in our group who acted very inappropriately toward the girlfriend of one of us and was publicly called out by the group. 'Dude, WTF?' That guy is now in prison, probably for life.
pretty harsh sentence for "inappropriate behavior" ;D was it with or without his clothes on?
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Amigos was more like 15th I believe.
Guliano's and Amigos were across the street from Real Chili.
Guliano's was $2.50 for 2 slices & a beer/soda.
Amigo's - no student went there for the food.
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Amigo's - no student went there for the food.
This statement could cause more controversy than Derrick vs. Dawson.
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This statement could cause more controversy than Derrick vs. Dawson.
I've certainly been to Amigo's. My 2 favorites were Wales and Chili.
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I've certainly been to Amigo's. My 2 favorites were Wales and Chili.
I was stopping by Wales everytime I came to Milwaukee until it closed down. Once I was eating my double cheddar burger, fried mushrooms and a strawberry shake in a suit and tie.
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I was stopping by Wales everytime I came to Milwaukee until it closed down. Once I was eating my double cheddar burger, fried mushrooms and a strawberry shake in a suit and tie.
Wales was at the top of my list, but it was the chili burger and vanilla shake. Number 2 was a lunchtime burger at the Gym. After that came Amigos and Chili.
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Aldo Tase, a 2011 graduate of the College of Engineering, bought Harp and Shamrock in 2105 and wants to make it more Marquette-oriented. The majority of customers are regulars that have been coming in for 20 to 30 years and only a quarter of business came from Marquette.
Tase’s immediate goals for the bar include placing greater focus on its historical richness and marketing it to students. He also wants to update the drink and beer selection, cater and host events for televised sporting events and run special promotions.
http://marquettewire.org/3915847/news/marquette-alumnus-to-revamp-harp-and-shamrock-bar/ (http://marquettewire.org/3915847/news/marquette-alumnus-to-revamp-harp-and-shamrock-bar/)
Wow, that is really amazing. Because that place was a dive, dive, dive. And we loved it. As Neil Young sang, "See the losers in the best bars, meet the winners in the dives ... where the people are the real stars the rest of their lives"!
BTW, the guy who owned Harp when we were at Marquette was a morbidly obese, disgusting racist named Bernie Conway. He also owned Conway's across the street; his son ran it for him.
Bernie used to call me "Guinea," because he thought I was Italian. I didn't have the nerve to tell him I was Jewish out of fear he'd sic his dog on me.
I of course should not have patronized an establishment owned by a racist a-hole, but 1, I was a stupid kid; and 2, I didn't really patronize it because as I previously said the bartender never took our money. (How's that for rationalization?)
When my friends and I visited Milwaukee a few years ago, we imbibed at Harp for an hour or so. Somebody there told us Bernie had died. My reaction: "What a surprise. That racist SOB had taken such good care of himself."
Another Scooper mentioned the Midget Tap. Yep, that was on the corner of 24th and Wells, owned by a prince of a guy named Frank Herald. Everybody called him "the Senator." He served up 8 ounce glasses of Schlitz for 35 cents, and always bought us a round when we went in, which was several times per week. He died a couple years after I graduated and his son, Kelly, took over the place. Unfortunately, it burned downed a couple years after that. The Midget had room for maybe 20 people -- hence the name -- but probably 200 flooded it on St. Patrick's Day. It also was something of a hangout for the Sig Eps frat.
My junior year, my buddies and I lived in a dive apartment kitty-corner to the Midget. Unbeknownst to us, Jeffrey Dahmer lived only about a block and a half away!
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I've certainly been to Amigo's. My 2 favorites were Wales and Chili.
Ditto.
I remember Good Time Charlie's having a heck of a cheeseburger too.
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Wow, that is really amazing. Because that place was a dive, dive, dive. And we loved it. As Neil Young sang, "See the losers in the best bars, meet the winners in the dives ... where the people are the real stars the rest of their lives"!
BTW, the guy who owned Harp when we were at Marquette was a morbidly obese, disgusting racist named Bernie Conway. He also owned Conway's across the street; his son ran it for him.
Bernie used to call me "Guinea," because he thought I was Italian. I didn't have the nerve to tell him I was Jewish out of fear he'd sic his dog on me.
I of course should not have patronized an establishment owned by a racist a-hole, but 1, I was a stupid kid; and 2, I didn't really patronize it because as I previously said the bartender never took our money. (How's that for rationalization?)
When my friends and I visited Milwaukee a few years ago, we imbibed at Harp for an hour or so. Somebody there told us Bernie had died. My reaction: "What a surprise. That racist SOB had taken such good care of himself."
Another Scooper mentioned the Midget Tap. Yep, that was on the corner of 24th and Wells, owned by a prince of a guy named Frank Herald. Everybody called him "the Senator." He served up 8 ounce glasses of Schlitz for 35 cents, and always bought us a round when we went in, which was several times per week. He died a couple years after I graduated and his son, Kelly, took over the place. Unfortunately, it burned downed a couple years after that. The Midget had room for maybe 20 people -- hence the name -- but probably 200 flooded it on St. Patrick's Day. It also was something of a hangout for the Sig Eps frat.
My junior year, my buddies and I lived in a dive apartment kitty-corner to the Midget. Unbeknownst to us, Jeffrey Dahmer lived only about a block and a half away!
wait, 24th and wells? wasn't there an apartment bldg. there? i lived there my junior year. a law school prof owned it-ralph anzivino or something. the lady across the hall from me, her husband was in jail for killing his boxing manager. talk about roach hotel. there was a laundromat kitty-corner to it. the midget bar had to have been between 21st-22nd wells across from tomas, kitty-corner from that little armenian? grocery store. yeah, that was dahmerville alright
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wait, 24th and wells? wasn't there an apartment bldg. there? i lived there my junior year. a law school prof owned it-ralph anzivino or something. the lady across the hall from me, her husband was in jail for killing his boxing manager. talk about roach hotel. there was a laundromat kitty-corner to it. the midget bar had to have been between 21st-22nd wells across from tomas, kitty-corner from that little armenian? grocery store. yeah, that was dahmerville alright
Holy shyte, rocket ... you and I have something major in common -- besides our love for lower-case letters, that is.
Yes, we used to call it the Anzivino Dive. When any of us would go to the bathroom and turn the light on, the roaches would scurry for cover. I am not kidding -- and you know I'm not kidding.
One day, we were so fed up with the conditions at the place, the four of us marched over to Anzivino's law office to confront him. We were breathing fire and spitting smoke. We walked into his office and he immediately diffused the situation. He spoke calmly and said he would try to take care of the problems but he offered no guarantees because he owned a lot of buildings and was a busy man and he was giving us an incredible deal at only $265/month.
So we went in there thinking we were going to kill him and we left saying, "Thank you, sir, can we have another?"
That entire junior year, I never once brought my girlfriend to my place. We always went to hers. She asked me why a couple of times and I always said something like, "My place isn't worthy of you." And it wasn't.
I heard a few years later that the railing of the little deck outside the back of our apartment broke and a few people got hurt and sued Anzivino. I never knew if it was true or if they won their suit.
I have seen many dives and even lived in a couple others, but there was no dive like the Anzivino Dive. None.
Abso-freakin-lutely amazing that you lived there, too.
Oh, as I said, the Midget was kitty-corner. Across the street was the big lawn of the VD clinic! Classy neighborhood. No wonder Dahmer was so fond of it.
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As long as we're discussing drinking, how about Marquette Liquor.
"Cold case 'a Pabst Richie"
"Cold case 'a Blatz Paulie"
We only bought Pabst when we were celebrating something. Otherwise it was RWB.
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Holy shyte, rocket ... you and I have something major in common -- besides our love for lower-case letters, that is.
Yes, we used to call it the Anzivino Dive. When any of us would go to the bathroom and turn the light on, the roaches would scurry for cover. I am not kidding -- and you know I'm not kidding.
One day, we were so fed up with the conditions at the place, the four of us marched over to Anzivino's law office to confront him. We were breathing fire and spitting smoke. We walked into his office and he immediately diffused the situation. He spoke calmly and said he would try to take care of the problems but he offered no guarantees because he owned a lot of buildings and was a busy man and he was giving us an incredible deal at only $265/month.
So we went in there thinking we were going to kill him and we left saying, "Thank you, sir, can we have another?"
That entire junior year, I never once brought my girlfriend to my place. We always went to hers. She asked me why a couple of times and I always said something like, "My place isn't worthy of you." And it wasn't.
I heard a few years later that the railing of the little deck outside the back of our apartment broke and a few people got hurt and sued Anzivino. I never knew if it was true or if they won their suit.
I have seen many dives and even lived in a couple others, but there was no dive like the Anzivino Dive. None.
Abso-freakin-lutely amazing that you lived there, too.
Oh, as I said, the Midget was kitty-corner. Across the street was the big lawn of the VD clinic! Classy neighborhood. No wonder Dahmer was so fond of it.
yes yes yes-it was an entomologist's dream come true! we hung a baseball bat outside the john as a joke(kind of) so you had a fighting chance if ya needed a little extra me time. i think the roaches were related to keith richards. if there was a picture of serenity, it would be of anzivino sitting at his desk-you described him perfectly.
when we first looked at the apartment, we thought, hmmm, price is right-this will do. except one of the 3 bedrooms was the hottest pink, ya broke out in a sweat just standing there. so we gave that room to fred who couldn't join us for the look/see. good thing he was as laid back as anzivino. it must have taken him like 6 coats of earth-tone to kill the pink. i swear his room size shrunk from the coats of paint
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As long as we're discussing drinking, how about Marquette Liquor.
"Cold case 'a Pabst Richie"
"Cold case 'a Blatz Paulie"
We only bought Pabst when we were celebrating something. Otherwise it was RWB.
when we were low on funds-rhinelander and leinenkugels were around $3/case. we had a guy who was a walter as in walter's beer living in mccormick my freshman year-no help. but can you believe leinies was bottom of the barrel back then? guess ya gotta start somewhere
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yes yes yes-it was an entomologist's dream come true! we hung a baseball bat outside the john as a joke(kind of) so you had a fighting chance if ya needed a little extra me time. i think the roaches were related to keith richards. if there was a picture of serenity, it would be of anzivino sitting at his desk-you described him perfectly.
when we first looked at the apartment, we thought, hmmm, price is right-this will do. except one of the 3 bedrooms was the hottest pink, ya broke out in a sweat just standing there. so we gave that room to fred who couldn't join us for the look/see. good thing he was as laid back as anzivino. it must have taken him like 6 coats of earth-tone to kill the pink. i swear his room size shrunk from the coats of paint
So effen funny.
And small world, too.
Hell, maybe I even have something major in common with Chicos, too.
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when we were low on funds-rhinelander and leinenkugels were around $3/case. we had a guy who was a walter as in walter's beer living in mccormick my freshman year-no help. but can you believe leinies was bottom of the barrel back then? guess ya gotta start somewhere
Amazing, isn't it.
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when we were low on funds-rhinelander and leinenkugels were around $3/case. we had a guy who was a walter as in walter's beer living in mccormick my freshman year-no help. but can you believe leinies was bottom of the barrel back then? guess ya gotta start somewhere
I just had some Rhinelander not too long ago. Minhas Brewing in Monroe still makes it. Not a bad, tasteless lager.
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So effen funny.
And small world, too.
Hell, maybe I even have something major in common with Chicos, too.
hey, if we go back far enough, we might even be paisons-hey'na??
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i'll never forget F.V. grunts-after i watched our warriors lose in the 1st round to miami of ohio. they throw jerome whitehead out of the game in the first half for coming down with a 'bound and protecting his space with elbows. it was my freshman year and they were returning with a better team(minus al and bo ellis) than the one that won it all. so much for national champ respect. i could never go back in there again
I believe it was J.V. Grunts when I was there. Named after the owner John Volpe. Met my wife there. Her and her girlfriend used to play a mean foos ball! They drank for free all night! Needless to say I became a pretty good player out of necessity!
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As long as we're discussing drinking, how about Marquette Liquor.
"Cold case 'a Pabst Richie"
"Cold case 'a Blatz Paulie"
We only bought Pabst when we were celebrating something. Otherwise it was RWB.
We used to grab a 6 or two of PBR or Old Style (one of them was always $1.68 / 6 Pack back when I was there) from Doc's to get a head start and save a little money before heading out to the bars.
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I believe it was J.V. Grunts when I was there. Named after the owner John Volpe. Met my wife there. Her and her girlfriend used to play a mean foos ball! They drank for free all night! Needless to say I became a pretty good player out of necessity!
your are right, i was thinking frankie v-thanks
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We used to grab a 6 or two of PBR or Old Style (one of them was always $1.68 / 6 Pack back when I was there) from Doc's to get a head start and save a little money before heading out to the bars.
you talking about doc's liquor store? rumor had it that he went to dental school then said F' it and went into the liquor store biness?? not sure how true, but i'm sure if i would have done the same, i'd either be on my 3rd liver transplant or pushin up daisies
speakin of liquor stores-any of yous guyses frequent national liquor bar? iconic sign was bought by a guy who owned heaven city restaurant in mukwonago just up the road a few miles from my house
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As long as we're discussing drinking, how about Marquette Liquor.
"Cold case 'a Pabst Richie"
"Cold case 'a Blatz Paulie"
We only bought Pabst when we were celebrating something. Otherwise it was RWB.
Marquette Dickers were slumlords too.
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We used to grab a 6 or two of PBR or Old Style (one of them was always $1.68 / 6 Pack back when I was there) from Doc's to get a head start and save a little money before heading out to the bars.
At the Lighthouse, we always thought of MU as the land of the $2 buzz. If we had 7 guys, we could get a 1/4 barrel. For $20 we could take a ride on the bull and get a 1/2 barrel of Schlitz Malt. Ten guys chip in and it's a cheap buzz before stumbling the 120 steps to OD's or the Lanche from the Lighthouse. Still hard to believe we had a couple guys who actually said they would rather just get a 12 pack because they wouldn't drink as much as they would of we had a keg. Idiots.
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Big Mouth Frog....off campus but in walking distance, but in '87-'88 when they were starting to clamp down, that was one reliable place to be served.
I'm sure it is long gone now.
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For liquor stores a lot of students now make the trip to discount. That's always a fun time, our nickname for it was the candy store.
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My best friend used to tend bar at the State House, on State and 14th (I think 14th; mighta been 13th). It became a very popular bar because of its specials and was frequented by the under-18 crowd as well as MU students.
The bar owner and his wife were big-time druggies and drunks who used to love to raise glasses with the college kids. They'd eventually get shyte-faced and leave not long before closing.
Once all the customers left at closing, a few of us would hang around to drink the owner's booze and stage our "Olympics" -pool, darts, Donkey Kong, foosball, etc.
We'd eventually stumble out of there at 3, 4, 5 in the morning and make our way to the Ham 'N Egger. We did this at least once a week our senior year, often twice, occasionally three times.
How the hell did I ever pass a single freakin' class?
What was hilarious was that after closing at 3:30 a.m. early Sunday mornings -- followed by the "Olympics" and breakfast until 6 a.m. -- my buddy would have to open the place by 11 a.m. in the fall to get ready for Packers games. Operating on just about no sleep and with a hangover raging, he'd have to whip up drinks and make sandwiches and pizza for the customers.
I didn't have much sleep, either, but at least I didn't have to work! I'd be saying, "Hurry up, barkeep, and make me another sandwich!"
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Big Mouth Frog....off campus but in walking distance, but in '87-'88 when they were starting to clamp down, that was one reliable place to be served.
I'm sure it is long gone now.
It's indeed long gone, but in '99 I was 17 with my 16 year old friend. No questions asked. Loved the Frog Brain shots
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Man did I miss out on the golden era. I feel like Marquette back in the 70s and 80s is equivalent to what University of Illinois is now, just because you can be 19 and go to bars there.
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At the State House, you could get a shot and a beer for a buck from 6-7 am on weekdays. Quite often, it was the kickoff to someone's birthday celebration.
Those was the golden era.
Times change. Here I am 35 years later at 5am having my coffee. I had a double bourbon on the rocks before bed last night, and could not even consider either a shot or a beer. That doesn't dampen the memories however.
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wasn't there a suBURPia across the street from schroeder on 13th/wells until about 1980-81 or so? i just briefly remember getting that soggy bag of something there. cousins on 17th wisconsin was a meal plan savior. i'll bet that was one of the first/original cousins stores in milwaukee at the time-they are still my "go-to" sub samich
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Man did I miss out on the golden era. I feel like Marquette back in the 70s and 80s is equivalent to what University of Illinois is now, just because you can be 19 and go to bars there.
Except Champaign sucks
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wasn't there a suBURPia across the street from schroeder on 13th/wells until about 1980-81 or so? i just briefly remember getting that soggy bag of something there. cousins on 17th wisconsin was a meal plan savior. i'll bet that was one of the first/original cousins stores in milwaukee at the time-they are still my "go-to" sub samich
Yes. Still there during the 84-88 window.
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wasn't there a suBURPia across the street from schroeder on 13th/wells until about 1980-81 or so? i just briefly remember getting that soggy bag of something there. cousins on 17th wisconsin was a meal plan savior. i'll bet that was one of the first/original cousins stores in milwaukee at the time-they are still my "go-to" sub samich
I thought Suburpia was across from the Gym, but I am less certain of my memory on food locations compared to bar locations.
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I thought Suburpia was across from the Gym, but I am less certain of my memory on food locations compared to bar locations.
absolutely, if you were like me and most others, the only evidence of stopping by was a keen after taste of lettuce and onions and beer, a tinge of a headache and the empty wrapper laying on the floor...hmmm, sounds a lot like a cobeen conquest also-heyn'a?
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Man did I miss out on the golden era. I feel like Marquette back in the 70s and 80s is equivalent to what University of Illinois is now, just because you can be 19 and go to bars there.
Chitown, the reality is that 1/2 the guys on this board wouldn't get into Marquette today, much less graduate. Different times; different standards. And while many here discuss their exploits, both at the bars every night and at Cobeen........ well, you know.
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you talking about doc's liquor store? rumor had it that he went to dental school then said F' it and went into the liquor store biness?? not sure how true, but i'm sure if i would have done the same, i'd either be on my 3rd liver transplant or pushin up daisies
speakin of liquor stores-any of yous guyses frequent national liquor bar? iconic sign was bought by a guy who owned heaven city restaurant in mukwonago just up the road a few miles from my house
since this reads like a dive bar thread, I'll admit that I always preferred This Ain't Heaven to Heaven City, not sure if its still the same now but always wondered what the Heaven City folks thought about that place
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I always preferred It Ain't Heaven to Heaven City, not sure if its still the same now
heaven city is that old house/historical brothel on old hwy 15/national ave. just east of mukwonago. they used to be owned by a pretty decent chef and had it going fairly "upscale. one of those places whose menu would be on a chalk board and change every day. stuff like smoked pheasant ug rotten with foie gras and 3 green beans topped a raspberry-mustard-dandelion glaze. then you would get this gigantic saucer with a little morsel of food in the middle...cost-$75, no thank you, i'm going to the boneyard sports bar for wings
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It's indeed long gone, but in '99 I was 17 with my 16 year old friend. No questions asked. Loved the Frog Brain shots
Awesome. Yup, we would have frog brain shots as well. Good memories.
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Chitown, the reality is that 1/2 the guys on this board wouldn't get into Marquette today, much less graduate. Different times; different standards. And while many here discuss their exploits, both at the bars every night and at Cobeen........ well, you know.
My "exploits" are all true, though I understand the skepticism. I'm a big skeptic myself. As for not getting into MU now, I very well might not have. But I don't have to! I got in then, and I enjoyed the hell out of 80% of the Marquette experience. I wouldn't have gotten the same job I did then because that industry is dying now (newspaper journalism) but, again, I got the job then. So what's the point? I'm supposed to feel less good about my fun time back then because I wouldn't have gotten in now? Huh?
The 20% I didn't enjoy is divided equally between the horrible weather and some of the crappy classes -- huge history lectures, boring poli-sci and theology, journalism classes taught by instructors who mailed it in, etc.
Small price to pay for a truly unforgettable four years.
Great fun, mostly good basketball in a fantastic environment, best friends (still), my future wife (still), an instant post-grad job in my chosen profession ... and yes, the cheapest all-you-can-drink buffet ever!
It's difficult to believe that there was a better era to go to Marquette than the one in which I went.
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heaven city is that old house/historical brothel on old hwy 15/national ave. just east of mukwonago. they used to be owned by a pretty decent chef and had it going fairly "upscale. one of those places whose menu would be on a chalk board and change every day. stuff like smoked pheasant ug rotten with foie gras and 3 green beans topped a raspberry-mustard-dandelion glaze. then you would get this gigantic saucer with a little morsel of food in the middle...cost-$75, no thank you, i'm going to the boneyard sports bar for wings
I know, Scott McClinchie (sp) was the owner/chef and This Ain't Heaven was the dive bar one had to drive past in the driveway up to Heaven City. Many people made the mistake of walking into that dirty biker bar thinking they had arrived at Heaven City, the looks on their faces was always priceless. We used to live in Mukwonago and knew every dive bar in it, and that's a lot of dive bars, hell there's even a baitshop on ES that's also a bar.
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My "exploits" are all true, though I understand the skepticism. I'm a big skeptic myself. As for not getting into MU now, I very well might not have. But I don't have to! I got in then, and I enjoyed the hell out of 80% of the Marquette experience. I wouldn't have gotten the same job I did then because that industry is dying now (newspaper journalism) but, again, I got the job then. So what's the point? I'm supposed to feel less good about my fun time back then because I wouldn't have gotten in now? Huh?
The 20% I didn't enjoy is divided equally between the horrible weather and some of the crappy classes -- huge history lectures, boring poli-sci and theology, journalism classes taught by instructors who mailed it in, etc.
Small price to pay for a truly unforgettable four years.
Great fun, mostly good basketball in a fantastic environment, best friends (still), my future wife (still), an instant post-grad job in my chosen profession ... and yes, the cheapest all-you-can-drink buffet ever!
It's difficult to believe that there was a better era to go to Marquette than the one in which I went.
Did you somehow think I was talking about you? Or anybody in particular? Rather, my point is that whenever one goes it is THEIR best era.
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Chitown, the reality is that 1/2 the guys on this board wouldn't get into Marquette today, much less graduate. Different times; different standards. And while many here discuss their exploits, both at the bars every night and at Cobeen........ well, you know.
My 1430 SAT and 30 ACT probably would have made it today. But as I watch my daughter starting work on her masters, I think your larger point stands. If I was in college today, I would probably spend a lot more time studying in a different major than I did 30 years ago.
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I just had some Rhinelander not too long ago. Minhas Brewing in Monroe still makes it. Not a bad, tasteless lager.
I give Minhas credit for my first step into beer snobbery. Between Mountain Crest, Mountain Creek, Minhas Light, Clear Creek, etc. I learned that some beers were so gross that they weren't worth the dollar or whatever you'd save over Keystone and High Life.
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My "exploits" are all true, though I understand the skepticism. I'm a big skeptic myself. As for not getting into MU now, I very well might not have. But I don't have to! I got in then, and I enjoyed the hell out of 80% of the Marquette experience. I wouldn't have gotten the same job I did then because that industry is dying now (newspaper journalism) but, again, I got the job then. So what's the point? I'm supposed to feel less good about my fun time back then because I wouldn't have gotten in now? Huh?
The 20% I didn't enjoy is divided equally between the horrible weather and some of the crappy classes -- huge history lectures, boring poli-sci and theology, journalism classes taught by instructors who mailed it in, etc.
Small price to pay for a truly unforgettable four years.
Great fun, mostly good basketball in a fantastic environment, best friends (still), my future wife (still), an instant post-grad job in my chosen profession ... and yes, the cheapest all-you-can-drink buffet ever!
It's difficult to believe that there was a better era to go to Marquette than the one in which I went.
I'm right there with you 82. Out of the 10 guys who lived in the Lighthouse, 7 or 8 of us are still best friends, the basketball in the early 80's was good (we had first row, middle of the floor, balcony seats at the Mecca), met my wife there, and the best $2 buzz ever. I can't imagine a more fun college experience. I also agree that today's college students have to study more as it's a much more competitive environment now.
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My 1430 SAT and 30 ACT probably would have made it today. But as I watch my daughter starting work on her masters, I think your larger point stands. If I was in college today, I would probably spend a lot more time studying in a different major than I did 30 years ago.
Note that I'm not saying it's particularly better today. As most of you know chick and I are very close to the university and see things. One of the things that bothers me most is the 'Naperville/Mequon' reality of today's environment. Just this weekend I had an acquaintance ask if I was originally from Brookfield or some other 'nice' suburb. Um, nope. 900 sq. ft on 60th and Oklahoma. Guys like Chitown are the minority these days. That's one of the reasons I absolutely love the Limo guys/gals. Most of 'em need that job. All that has resulted in a significant cultural change. Different thread, I suppose.
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I'm right there with you 82. Out of the 10 guys who lived in the Lighthouse, 7 or 8 of us are still best friends, the basketball in the early 80's was good (we had first row, middle of the floor, balcony seats at the Mecca), met my wife there, and the best $2 buzz ever. I can't imagine a more fun college experience. I also agree that today's college students have to study more as it's a much more competitive environment now.
I think that's one thing that's very special about MU. My experience is the same.
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I think that's one thing that's very special about MU. My experience is the same.
Even by 2003 that experience was still there, not sure it is there now or at a least it seems to be eroding.
One of my big concerns with some of the changes MU is looking at is this "elitifying" of the student population. The admissions department has been looking at various things including increasing admissions to requirements as a way to boost MU's academic profile. I think this would be a significant mistake.
As someone that grew up all over with a lot of different experiences with people of all different stripes, backgrounds, and classes I think Marquette is eliminating diversification within it's student population and I don't just mean demographically. Sure students should get some experience with folks of differing backgrounds as part of their volunteer activities but this is more as supporter, not as peers.
They've got 18 years to figure it out, but right now I don't think I'd send my son to MU....just not enough diversity of experience to survive in this world IMO.
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I think that's one thing that's very special about MU. My experience is the same.
Same year also, correct? 1984?
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I couldn't get in to MU 1981 and no way in hell could I get in today. My youngest son, marginally better student, had to have a lot strings pulled to get in. Pool of potential students is so big now the standards have changed. Thankfully, my youngest son has smaller pool of bars to waste time at and will be done in this spring and only took him 4 years. If he had the menu of establishments that I had in early 80's he never would have lasted.
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Did you somehow think I was talking about you? Or anybody in particular? Rather, my point is that whenever one goes it is THEIR best era.
I'm pretty vain, but I didn't think your song was about me ... or anybody in particular. I was just sharing my experience and saying it was immaterial that I might not be able to qualify now.
I agree that most folks think their experience was the best -- at least I sure as hell hope that is true!
Still, just reading the posts here and talking to others from various eras, I'm saying my opinion is that I attended Marquette in a better era for social life. Again, only my opinion. Certainly not claiming one-size-fits-all.
On an only semi-related note ...
When I see somebody in a Notre Dame or Yale or Stanford or some other elite institution sweatshirt, t-shirt or hat, one of my go-to lines is:
"Stanford, huh? I guess you couldn't get into Marquette!"
Always leads to a chuckle and sometimes to a conversation.
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I know, Scott McClinchie (sp) was the owner/chef and This Ain't Heaven was the dive bar one had to drive past in the driveway up to Heaven City. Many people made the mistake of walking into that dirty biker bar thinking they had arrived at Heaven City, the looks on their faces was always priceless. We used to live in Mukwonago and knew every dive bar in it, and that's a lot of dive bars, hell there's even a baitshop on ES that's also a bar.
i grew up in east troy-know the area very well
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I'm right there with you 82. Out of the 10 guys who lived in the Lighthouse, 7 or 8 of us are still best friends, the basketball in the early 80's was good (we had first row, middle of the floor, balcony seats at the Mecca), met my wife there, and the best $2 buzz ever. I can't imagine a more fun college experience. I also agree that today's college students have to study more as it's a much more competitive environment now.
basketball games in the old arena/mecca/U.S. cellular was ELECTRIC. fans right on top of the floor. NOISE-11,000 sounded like 20,000. talk about home field advantage. we had 6th row season tix for the bucks games during the lew alcindor/kareem jabbar & big O era. MU games were nuts. without looking it up, we had a long long winning streak there.
i sure wish we had the internet and computers back when i went to school-gotta keep that in mind too
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i grew up in east troy-know the area very well
Ever been to JR's Resort (formerly named Bucher's) on Phantom Lake?
All I can say is at least the rent was cheap and JR allowed dogs.
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Ever been to JR's Resort (formerly named Bucher's) on Phantom Lake?
All I can say is at least the rent was cheap and JR allowed dogs.
no, we hung out mainly on booth lake and lake Beulah. my sister-in-law, however, lives on upper phantom in the frank Lloyd wright style house next to the bible camp. the guy that had the lakeside rest. bought heaven city, but then resold it to someone else really fast-something wasn't working out. heard it's pretty good again
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Same year also, correct? 1984?
'83. Chick is '84. Sure we have many friends/acquaintances in common.
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jsglow
I couldn't get in to MU 1981 and no way in hell could I get in today. My youngest son, marginally better student, had to have a lot strings pulled to get in. Pool of potential students is so big now the standards have changed. Thankfully, my youngest son has smaller pool of bars to waste time at and will be done in this spring and only took him 4 years. If he had the menu of establishments that I had in early 80's he never would have lasted.
Then we'll enjoy another MU graduation together. :)
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Chitown, the reality is that 1/2 the guys on this board wouldn't get into Marquette today, much less graduate. Different times; different standards. And while many here discuss their exploits, both at the bars every night and at Cobeen........ well, you know.
No exploits at Cobeen...back in my day O'Donnell is where you wanted to exploit. Of course, back in my day McCormick was all dudes, O'Donnel was no dudes. Cobeen was Cobeen.
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'83. Chick is '84. Sure we have many friends/acquaintances in common.
Probably so. My brother in law was '83 also and my wife '84. Great time to have been at MU.
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Note that I'm not saying it's particularly better today. As most of you know chick and I are very close to the university and see things. One of the things that bothers me most is the 'Naperville/Mequon' reality of today's environment. Just this weekend I had an acquaintance ask if I was originally from Brookfield or some other 'nice' suburb. Um, nope. 900 sq. ft on 60th and Oklahoma. Guys like Chitown are the minority these days. That's one of the reasons I absolutely love the Limo guys/gals. Most of 'em need that job. All that has resulted in a significant cultural change. Different thread, I suppose.
A lot of you are saying, I agree with. In my view, however, based on the conversations I've had with MU folks, the cultural change had to happen in line with the future of the university 10, 20, 50 years down the road. It came in the context of $$. The world change significantly from the 70's and 80's in who was let in, the cost of education, etc, and those realities are just so different now that the strategy also had to change. IMO (and some of those at the U.)
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Even by 2003 that experience was still there, not sure it is there now or at a least it seems to be eroding.
One of my big concerns with some of the changes MU is looking at is this "elitifying" of the student population. The admissions department has been looking at various things including increasing admissions to requirements as a way to boost MU's academic profile. I think this would be a significant mistake.
As someone that grew up all over with a lot of different experiences with people of all different stripes, backgrounds, and classes I think Marquette is eliminating diversification within it's student population and I don't just mean demographically. Sure students should get some experience with folks of differing backgrounds as part of their volunteer activities but this is more as supporter, not as peers.
They've got 18 years to figure it out, but right now I don't think I'd send my son to MU....just not enough diversity of experience to survive in this world IMO.
I'd send mine in a heartbeat. In my view, the experience of going to a school like MU in the location it is in, a fairly large city, with real life diversity of rich, poor, the general population, private vs public, etc. When I was at KU and IU, it felt like such a walled garden. A protected little utopia that doesn't exist in the real world. No grit as it were. I don't mind the need to bring in better students, it is a reality of life for a private school in the 21st century.
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no, we hung out mainly on booth lake and lake Beulah. my sister-in-law, however, lives on upper phantom in the frank Lloyd wright style house next to the bible camp. the guy that had the lakeside rest. bought heaven city, but then resold it to someone else really fast-something wasn't working out. heard it's pretty good again
There was a place across Hwy. J from Beulah called Beulah Vista that had great burgers (early 90's)
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I'd send mine in a heartbeat. In my view, the experience of going to a school like MU in the location it is in, a fairly large city, with real life diversity of rich, poor, the general population, private vs public, etc. When I was at KU and IU, it felt like such a walled garden. A protected little utopia that doesn't exist in the real world. No grit as it were. I don't mind the need to bring in better students, it is a reality of life for a private school in the 21st century.
I had two sons who grew up following Marquette basketball. To this day, my son who is a sophomore at I-4 probably still follows Warrior Hoops as close as he does the Hoosiers. But when they each were directly admitted to the Kelley School at I-4, it was a no brainer. They each went to I-4. If they were doing anything other than business (or music if they chose to be music majors), I'd have pushed MU. And I-4's campus being a walled garden? It is one of the prettiest campuses I've ever visited.
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I'd send mine in a heartbeat. In my view, the experience of going to a school like MU in the location it is in, a fairly large city, with real life diversity of rich, poor, the general population, private vs public, etc. When I was at KU and IU, it felt like such a walled garden. A protected little utopia that doesn't exist in the real world. No grit as it were. I don't mind the need to bring in better students, it is a reality of life for a private school in the 21st century.
I'm going to agree with chicos here Navy (as keefe would call you). It's different. Certainly more upscale. But both my kids got fantastic educations and, maybe even more importantly, are really good people in part because of their experiences at Marquette. The tag line 'Come as you are. Leave transformed.' is really true.
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I had two sons who grew up following Marquette basketball. To this day, my son who is a sophomore at I-4 probably still follows Warrior Hoops as close as he does the Hoosiers. But when they each were directly admitted to the Kelley School at I-4, it was a no brainer. They each went to I-4. If they were doing anything other than business (or music if they chose to be music majors), I'd have pushed MU. And I-4's campus being a walled garden? It is one of the prettiest campuses I've ever visited.
That's basically what I mean by walled garden, not the in the realm of actual walls, but more in the sense of a protected, pristine area that that isn't real world. Sorry if my original post didn't convey that.
I like IU's campus, though I liked KU's also. Been to many pretty campuses, just not sure how in touch with reality many are. Just my two cents.
Completely understand the Kelly B School ties. Awesome business school. You'll have to let me know if John Cougar still drops in every once in awhile to do a set at the Bluebird. That was always crazy when randomly a major star walks into that dump and starts playing....wouldn't take long for that to get around and the place was packed. I can't even imagine with texting and social media, he probably doesn't even do it anymore for that reason. Would cause a riot. LOL
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There was a place across Hwy. J from Beulah called Beulah Vista that had great burgers (early 90's)
it was beulah vista, then double d's and now i think it's called diamond d's named after the dudes girlfriend's/wife's assets? not sure where that name comes from. we used to boat across the lake from my friends and drink summer hummers there. also where those 4 guys from illinois drowned on new years eve
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I'd send mine in a heartbeat. In my view, the experience of going to a school like MU in the location it is in, a fairly large city, with real life diversity of rich, poor, the general population, private vs public, etc. When I was at KU and IU, it felt like such a walled garden. A protected little utopia that doesn't exist in the real world. No grit as it were. I don't mind the need to bring in better students, it is a reality of life for a private school in the 21st century.
agree 100%. good description. why i went there, add basketball, add the dental school. both my sons went to MU, graduated(2009, 2012) and walked right into decent jobs-bank management in mequon and a district manager for milwaukee tool out in raleigh. they both had a blast, got an education and i got the bill ?-(
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The bars and the dorms were a blast. 10s Schroeder had a wild bunch. Just a blast A bunch of very creative individuals when it came to.....fun
We lived in the Swamp....one of several houses on campus that were, ahem, fun on a Saturday night.
We did some crazy crap, but we worked hard. Many now are doctors, dentist, lawyers, judges, captains of industry, and of course, posters on Scoop.
My class, 83 has a tight bond. Last year, a group of us met for the nova game. Some I hadn't seen many in years. We picked up right where we left off. Bloodies in the morning, beer allllday long, dinner at Conijitos, and more drinking till our bodies said no more. Men and women of the class of 83.
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The bars and the dorms were a blast. 10s Schroeder had a wild bunch. Just a blast A bunch of very creative individuals when it came to.....fun
We lived in the Swamp....one of several houses on campus that were, ahem, fun on a Saturday night.
We did some crazy crap, but we worked hard. Many now are doctors, dentist, lawyers, judges, captains of industry, and of course, posters on Scoop.
My class, 83 has a tight bond. Last year, a group of us met for the nova game. Some I hadn't seen many in years. We picked up right where we left off. Bloodies in the morning, beer allllday long, dinner at Conijitos, and more drinking till our bodies said no more. Men and women of the class of 83.
nicely done! especially the conejitos part. my wife and i have been eating there since 1980. when the kids got to be of the "happy meal" age, they preferred conejitos over mac n dons
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nicely done! especially the conejitos part. my wife and i have been eating there since 1980. when the kids got to be of the "happy meal" age, they preferred conejitos over mac n dons
Anyone ever go to Sabina's back in the day?
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I'd send mine in a heartbeat. In my view, the experience of going to a school like MU in the location it is in, a fairly large city, with real life diversity of rich, poor, the general population, private vs public, etc. When I was at KU and IU, it felt like such a walled garden. A protected little utopia that doesn't exist in the real world. No grit as it were. I don't mind the need to bring in better students, it is a reality of life for a private school in the 21st century.
The thing that tipped it toward Marquette for me is that I wanted to go to school in a real city. I wanted pro sports. I wanted diversity. I wanted a major metro newspaper, and Milwaukee had 2 -- as a journalism student, I wanted possible employers right in my town.
You want to talk about a white-bread experience ... my daughter went to Lawrence and she was on the basketball team her first two years before she quit to concentrate on school. Her freshman year, the men's and women's teams had a combined 32 players -- and all of them were white. When the two BASKETBALL teams at a school are all-white, you know you're talkin' HONKYVILLE!
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Anyone ever go to Sabina's back in the day?
was that in mexi-town? b/c later, a well know conejito employee-rudy opened his own place around the corner. then you had la botanas and la perla. those were the only "go to" places down there around 5th & 6th and virginia and national that we all felt comfortable in/good food
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was that in mexi-town? b/c later, a well know conejito employee-rudy opened his own place around the corner. then you had la botanas and la perla. those were the only "go to" places down there around 5th & 6th and virginia and national that we all felt comfortable in/good food
Yes, it was. A very hole-in-the-wall place - I can't even remember it having windows. Sometimes they would have a mariachi band. It was one of my first authentic Mexican restaurant experiences, and I loved it.
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warriorchick
Sabina's was one of my all time favorites. Went there often and miss it. We were just talking about it over the holidays. Took the Mrs. there often and never disappointed.
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warriorchick
Sabina's was one of my all time favorites. Went there often and miss it. We were just talking about it over the holidays. Took the Mrs. there often and never disappointed.
where is/was it? is it still there?
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Overall opinion of MU circa 2016 is a positive in regards to having my kids there. Obviously our family has a very long history at MU and have biased point of view. While I cry on every check I write to MU, I would not change a thing for my kids. They have had/having an unreal experience and would do it again for them. My kids could go have gone elsewhere and they had MU in their heart and proud of how they are turning out.
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Rocket
Long gone but was on 6th and Mineral
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The thing that tipped it toward Marquette for me is that I wanted to go to school in a real city. I wanted pro sports. I wanted diversity. I wanted a major metro newspaper, and Milwaukee had 2 -- as a journalism student, I wanted possible employers right in my town.
You want to talk about a white-bread experience ... my daughter went to Lawrence and she was on the basketball team her first two years before she quit to concentrate on school. Her freshman year, the men's and women's teams had a combined 32 players -- and all of them were white. When the two BASKETBALL teams at a school are all-white, you know you're talkin' HONKYVILLE!
I was accepted everywhere I applied. I visited UM, ND, DePauw. Marquette's location, as well the lack of elitist arrogance compared to the other places I visited, were two major selling points for me. I recognize that what made me comfortable would make other uncomfortable.
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Rocket
Long gone but was on 6th and Mineral
thanks, i've heard botonas is pretty good, but every time we get down there, conejitos just pulls us in. we were at la perla once-not bad, except someone ordered some special fajita dish. when they came out into the dining room with it sizzling away, it let out plumes of pepper spray and i'm not kidding, emptied the dining room except for the dude that ordered it. that was the closest i've ever come to be pepper sprayed and wow was it bad. eyes burning...we all waited outside for about 5 minutes, walked back in and the guy was half done with his meal???
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I was accepted everywhere I applied. I visited UM, ND, DePauw. Marquette's location, as well the lack of elitist arrogance compared to the other places I visited, were two major selling points for me. I recognize that what made me comfortable would make other uncomfortable.
You know who has that elitist feel in my opinion? Creighton. Admittedly, my encounters are limited but they came recruiting my daughter here in Chicago and it was unbelievable. What a bunch of a-holes. And this was when they were on their best behavior. It was just like talking to any Domer representative. On the opposite end, a school we absolutely love is Butler. Couldn't have been more welcoming to my son (although he chose MU) and we have several friends who have sent kids there and all have been super pleased. I've heard the expression 'little Marquette' more than once.
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You know who has that elitist feel in my opinion? Creighton. Admittedly, my encounters are limited but they came recruiting my daughter here in Chicago and it was unbelievable. What a bunch of a-holes. And this was when they were on their best behavior. It was just like talking to any Domer representative. On the opposite end, a school we absolutely love is Butler. Couldn't have been more welcoming to my son (although he chose MU) and we have several friends who have sent kids there and all have been super pleased. I've heard the expression 'little Marquette' more than once.
I've noticed the same with both schools.
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I was accepted everywhere I applied. I visited UM, ND, DePauw. Marquette's location, as well the lack of elitist arrogance compared to the other places I visited, were two major selling points for me. I recognize that what made me comfortable would make other uncomfortable.
Hate to burst the bubble but Marquette has really embraced that north Shore elitist attitude recently. Maybe it's just because I grew up in a completely different environment but MU seemed pretty arrogant to me.
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That's too bad.
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I'm going to agree with chicos here Navy (as keefe would call you). It's different. Certainly more upscale. But both my kids got fantastic educations and, maybe even more importantly, are really good people in part because of their experiences at Marquette. The tag line 'Come as you are. Leave transformed.' is really true.
I agree the location, experiences, and diversity within the city are great, but that's not unique to Marquette. What I'm concerned about is the experiences within the classroom and/or among classmates. Even in 2003 there was a definite Marquette type that if I wasn't previously well-rounded would have closed my eyes to some things in this world.
I get why the university is doing some things but I think they are limiting the types of students that can/want to bring in and they are sheltering the kids too much(IMO). We'll see, I admit I'm not looking at it with the same experience that you and Chico's are so we'll see how it goes.
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My roommates and friends at MU were solidly middle class and solid B students.
All support Marquette $$. One is a VERY large donor.
I wonder if they would be interested or accepted at the MU of today.
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I agree the location, experiences, and diversity within the city are great, but that's not unique to Marquette. What I'm concerned about is the experiences within the classroom and/or among classmates. Even in 2003 there was a definite Marquette type that if I wasn't previously well-rounded would have closed my eyes to some things in this world.
I get why the university is doing some things but I think they are limiting the types of students that can/want to bring in and they are sheltering the kids too much(IMO). We'll see, I admit I'm not looking at it with the same experience that you and Chico's are so we'll see how it goes.
It's funny, cause I (hopefully obviously) don't have any kids but my younger sister is a senior in high school and I told her I wouldn't recommend going to Marquette.
She spent a weekend with me there anyways and after about 10 minutes of walking around the first thing she asked me if there was anyone who wasn't white and from a suburb.
Marquette ain't diverse anymore. I was definitely on the lower end in terms of family income and we're as middle class as you can get. There are a few other students from Chicago but I was one of the exceptions who actually went to public school. Yes marquette is in a big city but it's really it's own bubble. It still shocks me how scared people were just walking to Kilbourn and state and how many kids refused to walk to the Bradley Center.
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The Lens with the quote. Nicely done.
It was definitely part of the culture when I was there.
Love the Trib re-posting 19 year old quotes. Nice find Jams!
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This seems to be a good fit right now. Chitown, one of the things that's great about MU is that a kid from the 'nice' burbs can learn a thing or two. Growth is good, brother.
http://marquettewire.org/3942155/opinion/stepping-outside-shelter-campus/
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They've got 18 years to figure it out, but right now I don't think I'd send my son to MU....just not enough diversity of experience to survive in this world IMO.
I don't know what the alternative would be, since nearly every university seems to be going the same direction. The exception might be places like UWM or UIC.
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my first trip to national ave liquor bar was pretty special. some old guy (probably like 45) sitting at a table by himself drinking a shot and a beer just leaned over, puked, then resumed drinking. good times.
lanche 35 cent RWB's
rhinelander and fox deluxe in the fridge. we never had a penny to enjoy the east side.
about 40 of us from the class of '81 meet each year for mu day. this year after the game will be at pabst brew house inn and suites.
i can't believe students now would be afraid to walk to the bradley center - to me it seems even safer today.
i'm glad the didn't have a crowd cam at the mecca. we snuck in a bottle every game.
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Some things never change much. RIP Blondie. You are still with us.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyqede0SK01r6mlf5o1_1280.jpg)
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It still shocks me how scared people were just walking to Kilbourn and state and how many kids refused to walk to the Bradley Center.
Out of fear or out of laziness/cold? The former I never saw, the latter definitely.