Just noticed that starting PG Tyler Lewis has missed the past two games with a concussion. There's a chance he'll be back on Saturday but no updates on his condition have been given since Tuesday. Lewis is the only true PG on Butler's roster. Without him they'll either use backup SG Jordan Gathers or force Roosevelt Jones to stay in the point forward position. Lewis leads the Big East in A/TO ratio.
If he's out, which is a big if, Marquette has a good chance to win. Butler's bench is short enough already and it forces their best player to play out of position.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 28, 2016, 12:58:36 PM
If he's out, which is a big if, Marquette has a good chance to win. Butler's bench is short enough already and it forces their best player to play out of position.
Unfortunately, Rosie out of position might still be better than anyone on MU in position.
Hack-a-Rosie?
Not a fan of Lewis. I don't think his availability changes the outcome of this game either way. Either we play well and win or we don't and we lose. I'm thinking the latter, unfortunately.
It would be a true surprise if the Warriors actually played basketball for 40 minutes, instead of the usual 20, or 25 minutes. Can you imagine how good the team would? Actually, 35 minutes would work for me.
Have to ask after 21 games, four games in Italy, and one exhibition why the team has not yet "jelled?" After 25 games, it seems a bit weak to say, "Well, they are freshman, after all."
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 28, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Hack-a-Rosie?
Prior to this year, I would have said that's a sound strategy, but he's shooting 71% from the foul line this year, and over 80% during conference play.
If Lewis is out (he wasn't even practicing prior to Wednesday, so he very well could be), then Butler's ball movement will be hindered, but it hasn't been great to begin with even when Lewis is around during conference play.
It's going to be a grinder of a game either way. I certainly hope Butler can win, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose on the road against Marquette.
Quote from: Irishdawg on January 28, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
Prior to this year, I would have said that's a sound strategy, but he's shooting 71% from the foul line this year, and over 80% during conference play.
If Lewis is out (he wasn't even practicing prior to Wednesday, so he very well could be), then Butler's ball movement will be hindered, but it hasn't been great to begin with even when Lewis is around during conference play.
It's going to be a grinder of a game either way. I certainly hope Butler can win, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose on the road against Marquette.
Sounds like the rough conference starts for both Marquette and Butler have their fans in the same frame of mind.
Quote from: Irishdawg on January 28, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
I certainly hope Butler can win, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose on the road against Marquette.
Have you seen us play in the last few weeks :)?
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 28, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Have you seen us play in the last few weeks :)?
I'm an eternal optimist and I give MU almost a zero percent chance of winning at home in front of a big, supportive crowd.
This team is so disjointed and Wojo seems lost as to how to fix it.
I think MU actually plays better on the road.
Quote from: bilsu on January 28, 2016, 04:11:43 PM
I think MU actually plays better on the road.
I don't think there's any question:
Wins on road/neutral: LSU, ASU, UW, and Providence on the road.
Losses at home: Belmont, DePaul, Seton Hall (OT win against IUPUI).
Quote from: bilsu on January 28, 2016, 04:11:43 PM
I think MU actually plays better on the road.
There is something to this. I don't know if MU "tries too hard" in front of the home fans and hence tightens up or if there are too many distractions playing at home. I remember hearing that Buzz used to put the team up hotel in downtown Milwaukee and go through the same sequence of team meals, practice, meetings etc that they would do if they were on the road. Maybe that would work for this team.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 28, 2016, 04:56:40 PM
There is something to this. I don't know if MU "tries too hard" in front of the home fans and hence tightens up or if there are too many distractions playing at home. I remember hearing that Buzz used to put the team up hotel in downtown Milwaukee and go through the same sequence of team meals, practice, meetings etc that they would do if they were on the road. Maybe that would work for this team.
Team breakfast in white undershirts?
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 28, 2016, 04:56:40 PM
There is something to this. I don't know if MU "tries too hard" in front of the home fans and hence tightens up or if there are too many distractions playing at home. I remember hearing that Buzz used to put the team up hotel in downtown Milwaukee and go through the same sequence of team meals, practice, meetings etc that they would do if they were on the road. Maybe that would work for this team.
In all seriousness, not a bad idea.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 28, 2016, 04:56:40 PM
There is something to this. I don't know if MU "tries too hard" in front of the home fans and hence tightens up or if there are too many distractions playing at home. I remember hearing that Buzz used to put the team up hotel in downtown Milwaukee and go through the same sequence of team meals, practice, meetings etc that they would do if they were on the road. Maybe that would work for this team.
I don't know if that's true, maybe it depended on the game but there were times where I would walk to the Bradley Center and the team would be getting into the athletic vans at the Al.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 28, 2016, 12:58:36 PM
Just noticed that starting PG Tyler Lewis has missed the past two games with a concussion. There's a chance he'll be back on Saturday but no updates on his condition have been given since Tuesday.
If he's out, which is a big if, Marquette has a good chance to win. Butler's bench is short enough already and it forces their best player to play out of position.
If history is any guide, not only will (insert player here) be playing, they will have the game of their life against MU.
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on January 28, 2016, 02:14:37 PM
Have to ask after 21 games, four games in Italy, and one exhibition why the team has not yet "jelled?" After 25 games, it seems a bit weak to say, "Well, they are freshman, after all."
I was with a pretty successful D1 coach in October and when told I was a MU fan he got real serious and said, you guys are going to be very good...you know why?
I expected Henry's name to come out of his mouth. Instead he said Europe. He thought the foreign trip was absolute gold. Went on and on about how valuable the extra practice time was to a team. He credited a past trip of his for recent success.
Quote from: The Lens on January 28, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
I was with a pretty successful D1 coach in October and when told I was a MU fan he got real serious and said, you guys are going to be very good...
The successful D! coach was wrong. Dead wrong.
Quote from: The Lens on January 28, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
I was with a pretty successful D1 coach in October and when told I was a MU fan he got real serious and said, you guys are going to be very good...you know why?
I expected Henry's name to come out of his mouth. Instead he said Europe. He thought the foreign trip was absolute gold. Went on and on about how valuable the extra practice time was to a team. He credited a past trip of his for recent success.
I hate to imagine our season without the trip.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 28, 2016, 06:42:57 PM
If history is any guide, not only will (insert player here) be playing, they will have the game of their life against MU.
Jean fucking Felix.
Quote from: Irishdawg on January 28, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
I certainly hope Butler can win, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose on the road against Marquette.
I would be very surprised.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 28, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Have you seen us play in the last few weeks :)?
To be fair, last year's Marquette team had just lost back-to-back league home games and was 2-6 in league play when Butler came to the Bradley Center, and by all accounts Butler SHOULD have lost that game before winning in OT.
I take nothing for granted no matter what when it comes to beating Marquette. Since the teams started playing each other at least twice a year in the 2012-13 season, other than last year's 21 point win at Hinkle, the other 5 games have been decided by an average of 5 points a game, and 2 of those games went to overtime.
Quote from: Irishdawg on January 29, 2016, 10:00:53 AM
To be fair, last year's Marquette team had just lost back-to-back league home games and was 2-6 in league play when Butler came to the Bradley Center, and by all accounts Butler SHOULD have lost that game before winning in OT.
I take nothing for granted no matter what when it comes to beating Marquette. Since the teams started playing each other at least twice a year in the 2012-13 season, other than last year's 21 point win at Hinkle, the other 5 games have been decided by an average of 5 points a game, and 2 of those games went to overtime.
Yep, great series and rivalry. Two years ago our personal road trip to Hinkle was particularly painful. An overly optimistic Chick essentially calls 'dagger' at the 16 minute mark. I remind her that there 'lots of basketball yet to be played'. We know how that finished. ::)
Quote from: Irishdawg on January 29, 2016, 10:00:53 AM
To be fair, last year's Marquette team had just lost back-to-back league home games and was 2-6 in league play when Butler came to the Bradley Center, and by all accounts Butler SHOULD have lost that game before winning in OT.
I take nothing for granted no matter what when it comes to beating Marquette. Since the teams started playing each other at least twice a year in the 2012-13 season, other than last year's 21 point win at Hinkle, the other 5 games have been decided by an average of 5 points a game, and 2 of those games went to overtime.
Marquette has the talent to beat Butler especially at home. But the problem our fanbase has is that it's never come together for a whole game and given the relatively large sample size now, our optimism is seriously waning so much so that we're questioning our evaluation of talent and exactly what we have as a team (and a coach).
Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 10:06:45 AM
Yep, great series and rivalry. Two years ago our personal road trip to Hinkle was particularly painful. An overly optimistic Chick essentially calls 'dagger' at the 16 minute mark. I remind her that there 'lots of basketball yet to be played'. We know how that finished. ::)
So Chick is the one who's responsible for the Stinkle at Hinkle?
I'd like to see Wojo, staff and squad man the F up and be somebody! Beat Butler.
Just win baby. Go Warriors.
I'm loving this Al Davis poster.
Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 10:06:45 AM
Yep, great series and rivalry. Two years ago our personal road trip to Hinkle was particularly painful. An overly optimistic Chick essentially calls 'dagger' at the 16 minute mark. I remind her that there 'lots of basketball yet to be played'. We know how that finished. ::)
I cannot believe that situation didn't result in divorce. Or at least a long separation. And you call yourself an MU fan!
So what's the over/under on Luke picking up foul #2 as he bangs with Roosevelt Jones?
I'm saying about the 3 minute mark.
Quote from: barfolomew on January 29, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
So what's the over/under on Luke picking up foul #2 as he bangs with Roosevelt Jones?
I'm saying about the 3 minute mark.
Yep. What can Wojo do to protect Fisher from getting in foul trouble short of benching him?
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As expected, #Butler point guard Tyler Lewis still out with concussion. He will not play tomorrow at Marquette.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 29, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
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As expected, #Butler point guard Tyler Lewis still out with concussion. He will not play tomorrow at Marquette.
Granted, I haven't seem Lewis play in Butler's system, but just how big of a loss is this for them? He averages just over 7 points with 3.7 assists (Carter averages 4.4 for context). Those numbers don't exactly jump out at you. I wonder what his +/- is. Too lazy to look it up.
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2016, 01:03:37 PM
I cannot believe that situation didn't result in divorce. Or at least a long separation. And you call yourself an MU fan!
Ha. Not happening. I married way up.
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2016, 01:03:37 PM
I cannot believe that situation didn't result in divorce. Or at least a long separation. And you call yourself an MU fan!
His wife posts on muscoop. KEEP(H)ER
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 29, 2016, 01:53:12 PM
Yep. What can Wojo do to protect Fisher from getting in foul trouble short of benching him?
I've actually wondered in starting Heldt or Henry and four guards would be a good idea to protect Luke
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 29, 2016, 02:04:29 PM
Granted, I haven't seem Lewis play in Butler's system, but just how big of a loss is this for them? He averages just over 7 points with 3.7 assists (Carter averages 4.4 for context). Those numbers don't exactly jump out at you. I wonder what his +/- is. Too lazy to look it up.
Id say it's big. Hes the only true point in the team. Despite having one of the fastest paced teams in the country, he only has .9 tos a game abd leads three BEast in a/to ratio and to rate for PGs. He is the calm that keeps butler in control.
Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 03:04:03 PM
Ha. Not happening. I married way up.
Smart move, glow! That makes two of us.
Heck, I can't believe Mrs. MU82 has hung around for 32 years!
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2016, 04:07:47 PM
Smart move, glow! That makes two of us.
Heck, I can't believe Mrs. MU82 has hung around for 32 years!
Clearly after your scoop retirement pension
I shed no tears for Butler. We can use all the breaks we can get!!
Tyler Lewis out shouldn't change much, his last 3 games played:
Vs Nova: 21 min, 1-4, 2 pts, 1 ast
Vs St.John's: 17 min, 1-5, 2 pts, 1 ast
@ Prov: 11 min, 0-2, 0 pts, 1 ast, 3 fouls
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
Tyler Lewis out shouldn't change much, his last 3 games played:
Vs Nova: 21 min, 1-4, 2 pts, 1 ast
Vs St.John's: 17 min, 1-5, 2 pts, 1 ast
@ Prov: 11 min, 0-2, 0 pts, 1 ast, 3 fouls
Thanks. That's appallingly unproductive.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
Tyler Lewis out shouldn't change much, his last 3 games played:
Vs Nova: 21 min, 1-4, 2 pts, 1 ast
Vs St.John's: 17 min, 1-5, 2 pts, 1 ast
@ Prov: 11 min, 0-2, 0 pts, 1 ast, 3 fouls
Wow. Traci is a stud compared to that!
So is this guy out for sure today. Point understood hes not all that.
But one less ball handler...what about a real press? We turn others over well...perhaps some butler players will handle more than theyre comfortable...make it more uncomfortable?
Quote from: jsheim on January 30, 2016, 09:09:51 AM
So is this guy out for sure today. Point understood hes not all that.
But one less ball handler...what about a real press? We turn others over well...perhaps some butler players will handle more than theyre comfortable...make it more uncomfortable?
That was my thought. Not great stats, but one less guy in the rotation - a key ball handler, no less - makes me think it might be worth a try to up the pace.
Quote from: jsheim on January 30, 2016, 09:09:51 AM
So is this guy out for sure today. Point understood hes not all that.
But one less ball handler...what about a real press? We turn others over well...perhaps some butler players will handle more than theyre comfortable...make it more uncomfortable?
I'm sure Wojo is very reluctant to press. The 1,2, and 3 positions are fine (Quick, but not super quick. And not very long). And despite Hanks length, he's not quick enough to press. Also, a broken press leaves Luke vulnerable, and his proclivity to foul would be more exposed. Personally, I think they have had good results this year with the zone - when they do a good job of boxing out.