As a basketball fan, it is great to have 2 big time programs in the state. Since the Wisconsin victory, which team as improved the most? I will answer my own question,
Wisconsin by far. Tonight we have seen to much lately, 22 turnovers, wow. Still won, have to love that, but against most teams, big loss. Up 20, then then it is turnover
city. Does MU practice against a press? Poor coaching.
No, they don't practice against the press. There is just a video that has been shown in our last game and on this site showing them practicing against the press and Wojo stopping the play when they inbound it to the trap corners like they did tonight. But hey, it's on the coaches, can't believe they wouldn't go over that in practice. Or something like that. :o
And why are we concerned with how much the Vadgers have improved or not improved?
Can we not go a day without worrying about those Badgers?
Only two schools I watch, so, just watching the progress of both teams over the season. And you have a new coach at Wisconsin fighting for a job, MU gave 2 years
extra to Wojo, not sure about that yet.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 09:29:34 PM
Only two schools I watch, so, just watching the progress of both teams over the season. And you have a new coach at Wisconsin fighting for a job, MU gave 2 years
extra to Wojo, not sure about that yet.
You should voice your concern with Bill Scholl and Mike Broker. Numbers and emails provided in the link:
http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 24, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
You should voice your concern with Bill Scholl and Mike Broker. Numbers and emails provided in the link:
http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html
also, i'm sure you'd find a great quorum for your point of view at:
http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-basketball-board (http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-basketball-board) or,
http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3/Badger-Basketball-Board/Badger-Basketball-Board#.VqWZmzZgdp8
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 24, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
You should voice your concern with Bill Scholl and Mike Broker. Numbers and emails provided in the link:
http://www.gomarquette.com/athletic-dept/marq-athletic-dept.html
Wojo still deserves 2 more years to see what he can do, Buzz left the cupboard bare, so starting over. Just concerned that losing Henry and right now, no big to replace
him, he really needs to find another player, for next year and the following year. Bailey if he comes, Hauser and the returning players can be very good with one or two
rebounders in the future. Right now, his recruiting in my mind is suspect going forward, hope I am wrong.
Quote from: naginiF on January 24, 2016, 09:44:04 PM
also, i'm sure you'd find a great quorum for your point of view at:
http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-basketball-board (http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-basketball-board) or,
http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3/Badger-Basketball-Board/Badger-Basketball-Board#.VqWZmzZgdp8
So I should go over there, and I do, tell them that Greg Gard is doing a great job, maybe, but lots of season left over there, and I am sure Barry wants Tony Bennett to
be his next coach.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 09:47:03 PM
Wojo still deserves 2 more years to see what he can do, Buzz left the cupboard bare, so starting over. Just concerned that losing Henry and right now, no big to replace
him, he really needs to find another player, for next year and the following year. Bailey if he comes, Hauser and the returning players can be very good with one or two
rebounders in the future. Right now, his recruiting in my mind is suspect going forward, hope I am wrong.
Wojo's number is also on that page. Feel free to let him know what he needs to do on the recruiting front to answer your questions about him as a coach and recruiter. I'm sure he'll be very appreciative.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 24, 2016, 09:50:24 PM
Wojo's number is also on that page. Feel free to let him know what he needs to do on the recruiting front to answer your questions about him as a coach and recruiter. I'm sure he'll be very appreciative.
I am pretty sure he knows the weaknesses of this group.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 09:19:58 PM
As a basketball fan, it is great to have 2 big time programs in the state. Since the Wisconsin victory, which team as improved the most? I will answer my own question,
Wisconsin by far. Tonight we have seen to much lately, 22 turnovers, wow. Still won, have to love that, but against most teams, big loss. Up 20, then then it is turnover
city. Does MU practice against a press? Poor coaching.
Simple, Wisconsin was playing below their capabilities before. Three juniors from a national runner-up, a ton of experience. They're now playing more to their capability. We are playing about where I thought. So I get what you are saying, but the reality is that the Vadgers were sucking donkey tits earlier this year, probably because Bo had his crank in Tara too much. Whatever it was, they were not playing well including a shocking loss to a horrific Western Illinois team that has gone on to suck about as bad as a team can suck. We are playing about where we should considering the crazy number of 1 and 2 year experienced players we have.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 09:29:34 PM
Only two schools I watch, so, just watching the progress of both teams over the season. And you have a new coach at Wisconsin fighting for a job, MU gave 2 years
extra to Wojo, not sure about that yet.
Have you ever posted a positive comment about MU?
Just wonderin'.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 09:49:02 PM
So I should go over there, and I do, tell them that Greg Gard is doing a great job, maybe, but lots of season left over there, and I am sure Barry wants Tony Bennett to
be his next coach.
Sure, knock yourself out. Stay awhile.
Quote from: brandx on January 24, 2016, 11:28:35 PM
Have you ever posted a positive comment about MU?
Just wonderin'.
Ok, I will post something positive. Henry Ellenson is the best rebounder at MU since Don Kojis, best freshman stats ever, maybe best freshman ever. Hard to compare
Henry with the 70's freshman because those freshman were surrounded by other high school All-Americans. Those players did not have great stats, Al had a system.
Other than that, not sure. Not sure about the coaching yet either. Like to be more positive. You can tell me what I should be more positive about?
Sure.
--Absolute stud freshman that is averaging a double-double
--Another frosh guard that is a major contributor and looks like he will be absolutely fantastic during his MU career
--Getting a player who could generously be described as up and down his first two years to buy in and show a major improvement his Junior year
--Another great freshman and promising transfer coming in next year
--The continuing development of the other three freshman
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 25, 2016, 08:50:44 AM
Ok, I will post something positive. Henry Ellenson is the best rebounder at MU since Don Kojis, best freshman stats ever, maybe best freshman ever. Hard to compare
Henry with the 70's freshman because those freshman were surrounded by other high school All-Americans. Those players did not have great stats, Al had a system.
Other than that, not sure. Not sure about the coaching yet either. Like to be more positive. You can tell me what I should be more positive about?
A few others would rank ahead of him. Mangham, Mo Lucas, and maybe the elevator man. Hell, Duane Johnson was only about 6'5" and was a better rebounder. But none could match Kojis
Quote from: willie warrior on January 25, 2016, 10:34:10 AM
A few others would rank ahead of him. Mangham, Mo Lucas, and maybe the elevator man. Hell, Duane Johnson was only about 6'5" and was a better rebounder. But none could match Kojis
Did not see Walt play, so I have no idea. But as much as I loved watching Luke, Ric and Duane, not sure there stats were as good as Henry. I can not remember a player that has had as many double, doubles that Henry has already. David Boone was a great rebounder as well and I was at the Loyola game when Pat Smith had
like 28 boards against them. I am pretty sure a MU one game record, that kid could jump out of the gym at 6'3". If somebody would like to look those players rebounding stats, love to see.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 25, 2016, 10:34:10 AM
A few others would rank ahead of him. Mangham, Mo Lucas, and maybe the elevator man. Hell, Duane Johnson was only about 6'5" and was a better rebounder. But none could match Kojis
Wasn't David Boone a rebounder? (I was living overseas in those pre-Internet days...)
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 25, 2016, 10:39:54 AM
Did not see Walt play, so I have no idea. But as much as I loved watching Luke, Ric and Duane, not sure there stats were as good as Henry. I can not remember a player that has had as many double, doubles that Henry has already. David Boone was a great rebounder as well and I was at the Loyola game when Pat Smith had
like 28 boards against them. I am pretty sure a MU one game record, that kid could jump out of the gym at 6'3". If somebody would like to look those players rebounding stats, love to see.
Their stats won't necessarily tell you who was a better rebounder, just who had better rebounding stats.
For example, in 1972-73, Maurice Lucas averaged 10.9 reb/game, 2nd on the team was Larry McNeill with 9.9 then George Frazier at 7.1. That's about 28/game between just those three. There was clearly some rebounding cannibalism going on there.
Other than HE and Fischer, the current MU team has basically zero rebounders. That's going to drive HE's numbers up.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2016, 11:43:59 AM
Their stats won't necessarily tell you who was a better rebounder, just who had better rebounding stats.
For example, in 1972-73, Maurice Lucas averaged 10.9 reb/game, 2nd on the team was Larry McNeill with 9.9 then George Frazier at 7.1. That's about 28/game between just those three. There was clearly some rebounding cannibalism going on there.
Other than HE and Fischer, the current MU team has basically zero rebounders. That's going to drive HE's numbers up.
Luke was pretty good, probably the best. Pretty sure that those twosomes were better than Fisher and Henry. Playing along Bill Walton in the pros, was fun to watch. Surprised Frazier had 7 boards as well, very athletic. That was a hell of a rebounding team.
Quote from: keefe on January 25, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
Wasn't David Boone a rebounder? (I was living overseas in those pre-Internet days...)
Forgot about Boone. definitely a very good rebounder.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 09:19:58 PM
As a basketball fan, it is great to have 2 big time programs in the state. Since the Wisconsin victory, which team as improved the most? I will answer my own question,
Wisconsin by far. Tonight we have seen to much lately, 22 turnovers, wow. Still won, have to love that, but against most teams, big loss. Up 20, then then it is turnover
city. Does MU practice against a press? Poor coaching.
So Wisconsin has handled the rigors of conference play better than MU, and you assume the difference is just coaching? I think it shows that experience matters once you get to the meat of your schedule. The rodents start 4 juniors and a frosh. MU typically starts 3 frosh, a soph and a junior. Big shock that the transition to conference play was easier for the rodents than MU.
It's easier to look like a good coach when you have experienced players.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 25, 2016, 12:34:03 PM
So Wisconsin has handled the rigors of conference play better than MU, and you assume the difference is just coaching? I think it shows that experience matters once you get to the meat of your schedule. The rodents start 4 juniors and a frosh. MU typically starts 3 frosh, a Sophi and a junior. Big shock that the transition to conference play was easier for the rodents than MU.
It's easier to look like a good coach when you have experienced players.
Experience is huge, particularly at the point. They have Koenig, who has been up and down, against MSU way up. Bigger upside then Traci, but the steal and pass to
Cohen was a great play. I am a favorite of a shooting point, ie. Henry, Diener, James compared to Traci and Wilson.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 25, 2016, 12:59:24 PM
Experience is huge, particularly at the point. They have Koenig, who has been up and down, against MSU way up. Bigger upside then Traci, but the steal and pass to
Cohen was a great play. I am a favorite of a shooting point, ie. Henry, Diener, James compared to Traci and Wilson.
Your point guard needs to defend, avoid turnovers and most importantly, initiate the offense including hopefully scoring some. Derrick defended and avoided turnovers, but did not do anything to initiate offense or help us score. Carter is going to be fine as a defender and I think he will be fine at initiating offense, including doing some scoring on his own. He gets into the lane already more than Derrick ever did, but hasn't been able to get the ball to our big guys when he does and seems reluctant to shoot/draw fouls. Part of that is the big guys feel of where to present themselves to get the ball. He needs to drastically cut down on the loose play/turnovers. He's playing fast and he has to develop into playing fast and smart. I think he will eventually and hopefully take a big step forward next year. I much prefer the aggressive personality from the PG rather than the passive one. We need him to be the PG because we don't have any other options on the roster (or on the way so far, I think, admittedly not having much idea what Rowsey can do or who else Wojo is able to bring in next year).
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 25, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Sure.
--Absolute stud freshman that is averaging a double-double
--Another frosh guard that is a major contributor and looks like he will be absolutely fantastic during his MU career
--Getting a player who could generously be described as up and down his first two years to buy in and show a major improvement his Junior year
--Another great freshman and promising transfer coming in next year
--The continuing development of the other three freshman
+1, well said, the future is bright.
Quote from: DUNKS45 on January 25, 2016, 01:49:15 PM
+1, well said, the future is bright.
If the future is so bright (figuring Henry goes pro, heard that from more than one source) do you believe with the players MU has coming back next year, they make
the tournament? Right now I do not see it. The Big East will be just as tough next year except maybe Providence.
How is Wisconsin looking so bright? Both teams have wins against a top-10 opponent, Marquette over Providence on the road, UW over Michigan State at home. Both have 3 wins in conference play, Marquette with 2/3 against bottom feeders, Wisconsin with 2/3 against bottom feeders. They are still a team with a losing record in conference that will more likely be watching the NCAAs at home while hoping for a NIT berth.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 25, 2016, 02:48:19 PM
If the future is so bright (figuring Henry goes pro, heard that from more than one source) do you believe with the players MU has coming back next year, they make
the tournament? Right now I do not see it. The Big East will be just as tough next year except maybe Providence.
Butler loses Dunham and Jones. Think they slide a bit. The Brad Stevens' days will be over.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 25, 2016, 03:02:09 PM
How is Wisconsin looking so bright? Both teams have wins against a top-10 opponent, Marquette over Providence on the road, UW over Michigan State at home. Both have 3 wins in conference play, Marquette with 2/3 against bottom feeders, Wisconsin with 2/3 against bottom feeders. They are still a team with a losing record in conference that will more likely be watching the NCAAs at home while hoping for a NIT berth.
You could have just said both teams suck & it would have been a lot easier 8-)
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 25, 2016, 02:48:19 PM
If the future is so bright (figuring Henry goes pro, heard that from more than one source) do you believe with the players MU has coming back next year, they make
the tournament? Right now I do not see it. The Big East will be just as tough next year except maybe Providence.
Losing HE would potentially be a big hit, but I do think the future is brighter next year. We will have JJJ, Luke & Duane all in their 4th year of high-major ball. JJJ is clearly making a step forward through this season. I would bet that Luke looks a little better next year as well with a whole off-season to refine his shooting (due to no surgery). Hopefully Rowsey can shoot like people say.
Our Freshman will hopefully no longer be playing like freshmen. Guard play is so important so a jump here can be very impactful. PG progression is probably most critical.
That being said we need a re-bounder to replace HE -- absolutely critical. If he goes that will be a huge hole in the team - unless we can get our guards to be able to crash the boards effectively.
Finally, if we don't have the players or the progression to be in the post season next year I think there will be uncomfortable questions about the direction of things.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 25, 2016, 03:02:09 PM
How is Wisconsin looking so bright? Both teams have wins against a top-10 opponent, Marquette over Providence on the road, UW over Michigan State at home. Both have 3 wins in conference play, Marquette with 2/3 against bottom feeders, Wisconsin with 2/3 against bottom feeders. They are still a team with a losing record in conference that will more likely be watching the NCAAs at home while hoping for a NIT berth.
The Badgers are 11-9, there going to the NIT as well, maybe another match-up this year. There future is good next year if Hayes comesback, or there future is no
different that MU. Be OK next year, but after that, who knows, they do not even know who there coach will be, Bo hurt recruiting big time. Should have quit after the
tournament. Left the program in limbo, much like Buzz left MU, on empty. They do not even have a recruit signed for next year.