I hate to say it so early into Wojo's tenure but if they lose on Wednesday to DePaul at home, our beloved program has issues and Wojo might not be the solution. Therefore, BEAT DEPAUL! Be somebody.
Just win baby.
Im fairly certain MU will win wednesday...I think?
Away with you, troll!
Just to clarify, where were you a couple weeks ago? If a home loss to DePaul = death of our program, what does a road win vs a top 10 team equal?
This team will likely lose more games we're expected to win, and win more games we're expected to lose.
A loss tomorrow would be bad, but it would not be the end of the world. We still have five games vs top 25 opponents, so plenty more opportunities to make up for bad losses. And there's always NYC.
By the way, K was 10-17 in his second year at Duke, FWIW.
I think DePaul beats MU tomorrow, and I'm certain it won't be the death of the program.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:09 AM
I think DePaul beats MU tomorrow
Oh man. I'll be drinking heavily if that's the case. Need these next 3
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:09 AM
I think DePaul beats MU tomorrow, and I'm certain it won't be the death of the program.
Eh, I don't see it. We have way more talent and just went through a microcosm of the rigors of the Big East over the last week. I think they come in really focused and win by 15+.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 19, 2016, 10:35:37 AM
Away with you, troll!
Just to clarify, where were you a couple weeks ago? If a home loss to DePaul = death of our program, what does a road win vs a top 10 team equal?
Perfect!!
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 19, 2016, 11:33:39 AM
We have way more talent and just went through a microcosm of the rigors of the Big East over the last week. I think they come in really focused and win by 15+.
Hope you're right. Just a bad feeling about this one. DePaul has kept games close and MU loves giving the ball away.
I believe we will win but it will be painful to watch. I'm expecting a lot like the St Johns game, probably we're down a couple points at half and then a combination of pride, talent and home crowd kick in and we find a way to win. Afterwards the phrase "Ugly wins count the same" gets posted about 100 times. The truth is that right now we're a lot closer to DePaul and St Johns then we are to the top of the BE. I just hope we're making some progress.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 19, 2016, 12:00:15 PM
The truth is that right now we're a lot closer to DePaul and St Johns then we are to the top of the BE. I just hope we're making some progress.
Are we though? We beat Providence at their place and had the halftime lead at Nova after a phenomenal come-back from a wretched start. Not to mention our other quality wins. I do think we're in limbo--as in floating between the top and bottom, but I wouldn't characterize it as you did.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 19, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
Are we though? We beat Providence at their place and had the halftime lead at Nova after a phenomenal come-back from a wretched start. Not to mention our other quality wins. I do think we're in limbo--as in floating between the top and bottom, but I wouldn't characterize it as you did.
I agree. We just faced two potential Final 4 teams. On top of that, Wojo had ample time to break down the film of Saturday's 'soft and young'. They'll be ready tomorrow.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 19, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
Are we though? We beat Providence at their place and had the halftime lead at Nova after a phenomenal come-back from a wretched start. Not to mention our other quality wins. I do think we're in limbo--as in floating between the top and bottom, but I wouldn't characterize it as you did.
+1
When we're on, we can be as good as any team in the BE...and when we're off, we can be as bad as any. No shock when we have young but talented kids being coached by a young but promising coach.
Losing to DePaul would surely end our tournament dreams this season, but it definitely wouldn't be the end of the program/Wojo. Not even close.
I think we struggle for about 30 minutes tomorrow and end up with an 8-10 point win
Dear god.
We are 12-6. Our 6 losses are to two top 5 teams, 1 top 10 team, 2 likely ncca teams, and 1 possible ncaa team on the road. We're fine. We're certainly not in a place where Wojo will be fired for one bad loss.
That being said, I think we win easily against both Depaul and SJU. Then murder Stetson before shocking the Bulldogs. At Seton Hall is winnable, but no easy match. We could be on the verge of a 5 game win streak.
Losing to Depaul would most likely end our dreams of the tournament this year. Let's not go as far to say that one game is going to sway our decision on Wojo. Like really????
Side note: When was the last team that had a lottery pick on their team not make the tournament?
Quote from: #UnleashWally on January 19, 2016, 12:27:00 PM
Side note: When was the last team that had a lottery pick on their team not make the tournament?
Last season: Cameron Payne's Murray State Racers
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2016, 12:32:18 PM
Last season: Cameron Payne's Murray State Racers
Well that was fast...
Now I'm going to rephrase this because I'm evil. When was the last time a heavily scouted 5 star recruit lottery pick's team didn't make the tournament ;D ;D
Quote from: #UnleashWally on January 19, 2016, 12:27:00 PM
Losing to Depaul would most likely end our dreams of the tournament this year. Let's not go as far to say that one game is going to sway our decision on Wojo. Like really????
Side note: When was the last team that had a lottery pick on their team not make the tournament?
Don't look now, but HE has dropped to #20 in the first round.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft)
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 19, 2016, 12:36:13 PM
Don't look now, but HE has dropped to #20 in the first round.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft)
The worst mock around, fwiw
Quote from: #UnleashWally on January 19, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Well that was fast...
Now I'm going to rephrase this because I'm evil. When was the last time a heavily scouted 5 star recruit lottery pick's team didn't make the tournament ;D ;D
I was thinking of that the other day. Malik Newman came to mind for this season. Miss State is pretty damn awful
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 19, 2016, 12:36:13 PM
Don't look now, but HE has dropped to #20 in the first round.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft)
Hank will go closer to 1 than he does to 20.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on January 19, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Well that was fast...
Now I'm going to rephrase this because I'm evil. When was the last time a heavily scouted 5 star recruit lottery pick's team didn't make the tournament ;D ;D
The year before. Noah Vonleh at Indiana.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 19, 2016, 12:37:25 PM
The worst mock around, fwiw
Gotcha. Draft Express still has him at #7. As a somewhat more than casual viewer of MU hoops and the NBA, I really don't see it YET.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 19, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
The year before. Noah Vonleh at Indiana.
And Elfrid Payton, I believe. Unless ULL got an auto bid.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 19, 2016, 10:51:46 AM
This team will likely lose more games we're expected to win, and win more games we're expected to lose
This is truth....but the way you make it to the tourney with a team like ours is minimize the first and maximize the scond.
Quote from: jsheim on January 19, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
This is truth....but the way you make it to the tourney with a team like ours is minimize the first and maximize the scond.
Yes...or win out in NYC.
DePaul has lost 6 straight with an average loss of over 10 points per game.
If MU drops this one at home, it will sting
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 19, 2016, 01:07:22 PM
DePaul has lost 6 straight with an average loss of over 10 points per game.
If MU drops this one at home, it will sting
Sleeping giant.
Sorry - couldn't help myself.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 19, 2016, 12:40:10 PM
And Elfrid Payton, I believe. Unless ULL got an auto bid.
They did
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 19, 2016, 12:56:20 PM
Yes...or win out in NYC.
More Truth....there was that year UConn ripped through the BET and the NCAA. ::)
We should beat DePaul. However, the past few years we have lost a couple of times to them when we should not have. The game scares the crap out of me. A young team sometimes does not realize they actually have to play to win.
Quote from: bilsu on January 19, 2016, 02:40:50 PM
We should beat DePaul. However, the past few years we have lost a couple of times to them when we should not have. The game scared the crap out of me. A young team sometimes does not realize they actually have to play to win.
When's the last time we lost to them in Milwaukee, though? I would be far more worried if the game were in Rosemont.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 19, 2016, 02:56:56 PM
When's the last time we lost to them in Milwaukee, though? I would be far more worried if the game were in Rosemont.
Why's that? Their essentially both home games.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on January 19, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Now I'm going to rephrase this because I'm evil. When was the last time a heavily scouted 5 star recruit lottery pick's team didn't make the tournament ;D ;D
Well, the big name you want is the 2012-13 Kentucky team that didn't get into the NCAA tournament. They did however get the top NIT seed. Frosh Nerlens Noel (2013 6th overall pick) and Frosh Archie Goodwin (2013 29th overall pick) were on that team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 19, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
The year before. Noah Vonleh at Indiana.
Oh yeah...that one's good too.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:09 AM
I think DePaul beats MU tomorrow, and I'm certain it won't be the death of the program.
Nah, can't see it. They could beat us at their place, though. All the MU fans at the
Rosemont Allstate always seems to rile the DePaul team up.
Quote from: jsheim on January 19, 2016, 01:20:01 PM
More Truth....there was that year UConn ripped through the BET and the NCAA. ::)
I'm not remotely saying we'll pull a UConn and run the table. But MU at its best clearly has the ability to win three straight in NYC...just like MU at its worst has the ability to be one and done.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on January 19, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Well that was fast...
Now I'm going to rephrase this because I'm evil. When was the last time a heavily scouted 5 star recruit lottery pick's team didn't make the tournament ;D ;D
Simmons and LSU may be joining Marquette in that distinction this year.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 19, 2016, 12:36:13 PM
Don't look now, but HE has dropped to #20 in the first round.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft)
This mock draft has a well written and accurate scouting profile of Henry.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 19, 2016, 02:56:56 PM
When's the last time we lost to them in Milwaukee, though? I would be far more worried if the game were in Rosemont.
As I said I think we will win. However, I do believe DePaul is better than St. John's and we barely beat St. John's. That is why this game concerns me.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 19, 2016, 12:39:57 PM
Gotcha. Draft Express still has him at #7. As a somewhat more than casual viewer of MU hoops and the NBA, I really don't see it YET.
None of these mock drafts are worth much. Draft Express still has Brice Johnson at 41 for example. Ben Bentil no where to be seen on any of them even though he is tearing up the Big East.
The good news is they are talking about some kind of 10 period after the combine where a kid can withdraw. Hopefully that leads to fewer Vander type decisions.
My feelings this morning about DePaul...
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Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 19, 2016, 02:56:56 PM
When's the last time we lost to them in Milwaukee, though? I would be far more worried if the game were in Rosemont.
In 2000. 55-35, and Wardle had all of MU's first half points.
Worst part about a game like this...I'll be mildly amused if we win, but furious if we lose.
line is -8. I say give the points and take MU, we cover on free throws in the last :30.
I'm looking at the learning curve, I'm afraid we have a poor slope. Some guys seem to be learning others not so much. As a team they need follow instructions, I get the feeling that they don't always do that. At this point it is all about execution no matter the score, that is except if you have money involved.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 19, 2016, 03:49:53 PM
Nah, can't see it. They could beat us at their place, though. All the MU fans at the Rosemont Allstate always seems to rile the DePaul team up.
I was at the NYE game last year, and the arena was basically all Marquette fans for most of the game. When Depaul went on a big run in the second half to take the lead, it seemed like the DePaul fans literally emerged out of nowhere and took over the arena.
I wish Brewer fans would do the same when the Cubs or Cardinals come to town...
Quote from: vogue65 on January 20, 2016, 10:59:29 AM
I'm looking at the learning curve, I'm afraid we have a poor slope. Some guys seem to be learning others not so much. As a team they need follow instructions, I get the feeling that they don't always do that. At this point it is all about execution no matter the score, that is except if you have money involved.
We started the year with losses to Belmont and (a blowout) to Iowa at home, with an overtime win over IUPUI at home sandwiched between. We then had a very successful rest of our non-conference, got smoked by Seton Hall at home, competed with a Georgetown team that seems to have turned the corner, beat a really good Providence team at their place, and beat a bad St. John's team at home. Then we lost to (but were somewhat competitive with) 2 top 5 teams. I'm not sure where the downward slope is coming from...
Worried about DP packing in the zone and we fire up threes with our usual lack of success and no chance for rebounds.
The day is finally here. Biggest game of Wojo's career up to this point. Beat DePaul or bust.
Go Warriors!
Quote from: Al Davis on January 20, 2016, 12:35:21 PM
The day is finally here. Biggest game of Wojo's career up to this point. Beat DePaul or bust.
Go Warriors!
Biggest game of Wojo's career? That might be the most bizarrely stupid thing ever posted on Scoop, and that's an astronomically high bar to exceed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2016, 12:56:39 PM
Biggest game of Wojo's career? That might be the most bizarrely stupid thing ever posted on Scoop, and that's an astronomically high bar to exceed.
We are talking about Al Davis here.
Ever since "Bradley Brew" changed his name to "Al Davis," he's been doing the hyperbole thing.
It's the harsh reality. Yes, it is the biggest game of his career. It's year two into the Wojo regime and losing to a 6-12 (0-6) DePaul team in Milwaukee would be a big step backwards for the program. Therefore, tonight is big. Really big. I hope he has the squad ready to battle.
Just win baby.
Quote from: Al Davis on January 20, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
It's the harsh reality. Yes, it is the biggest game of his career. It's year two into the Wojo regime and losing to a 6-12 (0-6) DePaul team in Milwaukee would be a big step backwards for the program. Therefore, tonight is big. Really big. I hope he has the squad ready to battle.
Just win baby.
If only Wojo had drafted...erm, recruited...the fastest player in each recruiting class.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2016, 12:56:39 PM
Biggest game of Wojo's career? That might be the most bizarrely stupid thing ever posted on Scoop, and that's an astronomically high bar to exceed.
It's the biggest game of his career, because it's the next one.
Quote from: Al Davis on January 20, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
It's the harsh reality. Yes, it is the biggest game of his career. It's year two into the Wojo regime and losing to a 6-12 (0-6) DePaul team in Milwaukee would be a big step backwards for the program. Therefore, tonight is big. Really big. I hope he has the squad ready to battle.
Just win baby.
Regular season losses never equate to big steps backwards for programs.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 20, 2016, 02:05:09 PM
Regular season losses never equate to big steps backwards for programs.
This
Quote from: Al Davis on January 20, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
It's the harsh reality. Yes, it is the biggest game of his career. It's year two into the Wojo regime and losing to a 6-12 (0-6) DePaul team in Milwaukee would be a big step backwards for the program. Therefore, tonight is big. Really big. I hope he has the squad ready to battle.
Just win baby.
No, it's morbid stupidity. We could overcome a loss to DePaul if we won 11-12 Big East games (including MSG) and we could miss out if we win tonight and go 10-8 or worse in BE play. This is like any other regular season game. Not meaningless, but not remotely close to the biggest game of the season, much less Wojo's career.
I like busts.
I would say this team is doing enough to keep my attention thus far. A loss tonight could put a wet blanket on my overall interest level and I do not want that happen. Two years of virtually not caring sucked and do not want to go back to that place.
Quote from: Al Davis on January 20, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
It's the harsh reality. Yes, it is the biggest game of his career. It's year two into the Wojo regime and losing to a 6-12 (0-6) DePaul team in Milwaukee would be a big step backwards for the program. Therefore, tonight is big. Really big. I hope he has the squad ready to battle.
Just win baby.
But what if he loses tonight, then goes on a run and makes the tourney? Flawed logic
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 20, 2016, 04:21:59 PM
But what if he loses tonight, then goes on a run and makes the tourney? Flawed logic
Don't worry, he already missed the flawed logic of beating a top 10 team on the road.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis
Lets go Warriors. Beat DePaul.
Just win baby
Well, DePaul beat George Washington, so GWU will have no choice but to fire Mike Lonergan.
But wait ... GWU beat Virginia, Seton Hall, Tennessee and UMass ... so it's a shame that Tony Bennett, Kevin Willard, Rick Barnes and Derek Kellogg are doomed.
And Seton Hall beat us. So Wojo could be double-doomed.
But we beat Providence, so ...
Oh, I need some Advil.
I'd be confident but under Wojo we play basketball like pus.ies so far.