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I have no clue why anyone would trust us.
#8 Marquette
You have to give Steve Wojciechowski credit for the growth we've witnessed thus far at Marquette. The services of a future lottery pick, Henry Ellenson (16.0 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 1.5 BPG), have certainly helped the program go from 13-19 overall in 2014-15 to an 11-4 start in 2015-16, a surge stamped by Tuesday's 65-64 road victory over No. 8 Providence. That's promising, but the Golden Eagles had just lost to Seton Hall at home and Georgetown on the road by 30 points combined. They lost to Iowa by 28 in Milwaukee two months ago, too. This Marquette team can compete with the best of the Big East. Clearly. We're just waiting to see if this group will evolve into a more consistent force.
Nothing was blatantly wrong. Congrats, Myron!
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 07, 2016, 09:41:00 AM
Nothing was blatantly wrong. Congrats, Myron!
I have to say--Myron has been fairly generous to MU and the whole Big East throughout this season: a welcome change of pace. I wonder if Buzz rubbed him wrong, which resulted in some of his more damning/back-handed complimenting pieces in the past.
Quote from: MUMountin on January 07, 2016, 10:44:45 AM
I have to say--Myron has been fairly generous to MU and the whole Big East throughout this season: a welcome change of pace. I wonder if Buzz rubbed him wrong, which resulted in some of his more damning/back-handed complimenting pieces in the past.
If only we could get Gottlieb to come around...
It remains to be seen, if MU has improved over last year.
Last year 8-4 non-conference vs 10-2. However, last year's non-conference schedule was tougher.
Last year started out 1-2 in Big East with win over Providence at home and lost at DePaul & Georgetown.
This year 1-2 with win over Providence at Providence and loss at Georgetown and loss at home to Seton Hall.
Quote from: Eldon on January 07, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
If only we could get Gottlieb to come around...
"Miami by a sizable margin."
Quote from: Eldon on January 07, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
If only we could get Gottlieb to come around...
Whatever. The Big East isn't even part of the constitution.
Quote from: bilsu on January 07, 2016, 03:01:52 PM
It remains to be seen, if MU has improved over last year.
Last year 8-4 non-conference vs 10-2. However, last year's non-conference schedule was tougher.
Last year started out 1-2 in Big East with win over Providence at home and lost at DePaul & Georgetown.
This year 1-2 with win over Providence at Providence and loss at Georgetown and loss at home to Seton Hall.
This years team is significantly better and more talented. If you can't see that, well...
Quote from: buckchuckler on January 07, 2016, 03:16:27 PM
Whatever. The Big East isn't even part of the constitution.
I LOLed
Quote from: bilsu on January 07, 2016, 03:01:52 PM
It remains to be seen, if MU has improved over last year.
Last year 8-4 non-conference vs 10-2. However, last year's non-conference schedule was tougher.
Last year started out 1-2 in Big East with win over Providence at home and lost at DePaul & Georgetown.
This year 1-2 with win over Providence at Providence and loss at Georgetown and loss at home to Seton Hall.
Your Data does look similar. But what does YOU"RE eyetest tell you??
Quote from: bilsu on January 07, 2016, 03:01:52 PM
It remains to be seen, if MU has improved over last year.
Last year 8-4 non-conference vs 10-2. However, last year's non-conference schedule was tougher.
Last year started out 1-2 in Big East with win over Providence at home and lost at DePaul & Georgetown.
This year 1-2 with win over Providence at Providence and loss at Georgetown and loss at home to Seton Hall.
The data, though it provides fodder, is utterly meaningless given the small sample size in hinting at the assertion that the teams are similar.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on January 07, 2016, 05:11:03 PM
Your Data does look similar. But what does YOU"RE eyetest tell you??
Well they tell me a different story when I was watching the Seton Hall and Georgetown game then they did when I was watching the Providence game. We are likely to be 2-2 in conference and last year we were also 2-2. I think we should win more than 4 games, but it is not a given.
Quote from: bilsu on January 08, 2016, 09:51:53 AM
Well they tell me a different story when I was watching the Seton Hall and Georgetown game then they did when I was watching the Providence game. We are likely to be 2-2 in conference and last year we were also 2-2. I think we should win more than 4 games, but it is not a given.
Hopefully, the most recent game might be a indication of the teams development status. I think they continue to improve, but at what rate....I don't know.... but I believe its upward, not downward or level.
Going into the season I felt they would be a surprise team on national stage and to date I think the potential is still there to be a second weekend team in March. For the first time in three years they have have guys who can score and have some size. Full expect an up's and down's but overall am more excited than I have been in three years.
MU is better, but it turns out that much of the Big East is better. So, how much improved is MU relative to how much the rest of the league is improved?
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2016, 10:09:21 AM
MU is better, but it turns out that much of the Big East is better. So, how much improved is MU relative to how much the rest of the league is improved?
Well, they answered that in part by beating a top 10 Providence team on the road.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 08, 2016, 10:11:19 AM
Well, they answered that in part by beating a top 10 Providence team on the road.
Or did they by losing to SH at home?
It is clear to me that MU is better than last year. By a lot. However, it is also clear to me that the rest of the conference has stepped up, too. MU gets rolled at home by SH, beats the Friars on the road. Proof of both. IMO, MU needs to improve more the rest of the year relative to the rest of the league. By getting better on defense, better rebounding by the guards, more efficient on offense. It can't by one or two guys, it has to be all 10. If MU is to actually get to the big dance. Because the other 9 teams (ok, 8. Who knows with DePaul) are working as hard.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
It is clear to me that MU is better than last year. By a lot. However, it is also clear to me that the rest of the conference has stepped up, too. MU gets rolled at home by SH, beats the Friars on the road. Proof of both. IMO, MU needs to improve more the rest of the year relative to the rest of the league. By getting better on defense, better rebounding by the guards, more efficient on offense. It can't by one or two guys, it has to be all 10. If MU is to actually get to the big dance. Because the other 9 teams (ok, 8. Who knows with DePaul) are working as hard.
Absolutely. And with each team playing the other twice, there are no favorable schedules from year to year. It really is quite a meritorious league.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 08, 2016, 11:27:05 AM
[mind blown]
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Quote from: Bocephys on January 08, 2016, 11:42:46 AM
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God bless.
I'm not sure why people are looking at this as positive publicity for the team/a compliment from Myron, unless you're of the belief that "any PR is good PR." Sure, he says we can compete with anybody in our conference...but the article is listing 10 teams that you should not trust. That is not a good list to be on.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2016, 10:09:21 AM
MU is better, but it turns out that much of the Big East is better. So, how much improved is MU relative to how much the rest of the league is improved?
I'll take, let's improve the team First and then let the chips fall. Like they say we only have control of us.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2016, 12:03:55 PM
I'm not sure why people are looking at this as positive publicity for the team/a compliment from Myron, unless you're of the belief that "any PR is good PR." Sure, he says we can compete with anybody in our conference...but the article is listing 10 teams that you should not trust. That is not a good list to be on.
I think within that theme is the recognition that we're having some success. Massive concession by Myron. Massive.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2016, 12:03:55 PM
I'm not sure why people are looking at this as positive publicity for the team/a compliment from Myron, unless you're of the belief that "any PR is good PR." Sure, he says we can compete with anybody in our conference...but the article is listing 10 teams that you should not trust. That is not a good list to be on.
I get what he is saying. Can't trust us to win games we "should" win (Seton Hall); can't trust us to lose games we "should" lose (Providence). While they are both totally true, I see the latter as a subtle way of saying that we
just might be better than our record indicates.
Given where we were a few days ago, that isn't such a bad place to be.
Last year we could not win in the Big East, without Carlino going off from three. This year we have more weapons, but so far we have not have a player like Carlino that could take over the game from the three point line.
Quote from: bilsu on January 08, 2016, 01:48:42 PM
Last year we could not win in the Big East, without Carlino going off from three. This year we have more weapons, but so far we have not have a player like Carlino that could take over the game from the three point line.
Henry thinks he can.
Quote from: Windyplayer on January 08, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
Henry thinks he can.
I do believe Henry will have a 30 point game this year. I would love it to be against Villanova.
Quote from: bilsu on January 08, 2016, 02:12:59 PM
I do believe Henry will have a 30 point game this year. I would love it to be against Villanova.
I agree I think we're going to steal another one on the road against a quality opponent due in large part to HE going bananas.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
It is clear to me that MU is better than last year. By a lot. However, it is also clear to me that the rest of the conference has stepped up, too. MU gets rolled at home by SH, beats the Friars on the road. Proof of both. IMO, MU needs to improve more the rest of the year relative to the rest of the league. By getting better on defense, better rebounding by the guards, more efficient on offense. It can't by one or two guys, it has to be all 10. If MU is to actually get to the big dance. Because the other 9 teams (ok, 8. Who knows with DePaul) are working as hard.
I will say this, Marquette in conference has played 4 good to great halves and 2 pretty spectacularly bad halves(2nd half SH and 1st half of Gtown). If they play both bad against say SH and play 2 good against GTown we're 2-1 and people are feeling pretty good. I think that speaks to your growth discussion. They are much better, they have more talent, but can they play consistently to win in an also improved league?
Quote from: mu03eng on January 08, 2016, 02:48:39 PM
I will say this, Marquette in conference has played 4 good to great halves and 2 pretty spectacularly bad halves(2nd half SH and 1st half of Gtown). If they play both bad against say SH and play 2 good against GTown we're 2-1 and people are feeling pretty good. I think that speaks to your growth discussion. They are much better, they have more talent, but can they play consistently to win in an also improved league?
Good thing Providence didn't make two more FTs because you could say that we played 4 good to great halves and 2 abysmal ones and yet we are 0-3. That wouldn't bode well for us. I think our ceiling is much higher that last year but our floor may be lower. When we play bad (Iowa, Seton Hall) we are worse than we were last year and when we play well we are much better. The fact that we are so young leads me to believe that we will continue to improve and play well more and more often as the season progresses. But I'm not sure.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 08, 2016, 03:07:05 PM
Good thing Providence didn't make two more FTs because you could say that we played 4 good to great halves and 2 abysmal ones and yet we are 0-3. That wouldn't bode well for us. I think our ceiling is much higher that last year but our floor may be lower. When we play bad (Iowa, Seton Hall) we are worse than we were last year and when we play well we are much better. The fact that we are so young leads me to believe that we will continue to improve and play well more and more often as the season progresses. But I'm not sure.
It will be interesting to see how this team does in conference now given our trajectory to date. Played pretty well, ran into good Iowa team, got stomped. Played pretty well again after that, ran into Big East, got stomped. Played pretty well @ Providence and remain in conference play (competition doesn't get much better than Providence in conference so hopefully that bodes well).