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Title: SOTG
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 05, 2016, 07:57:33 PM
1.  Haanif
2.  HE
3.  Du.

HUGE win!!

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
I'll go with Haanif
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: willie warrior on January 05, 2016, 08:00:44 PM
Wilson--made the winning bucket.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brandx on January 05, 2016, 08:01:21 PM
No brainer for Henry!!

13/10 with 3 steals and 4 blocks including the game winner.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: chapman on January 05, 2016, 08:01:54 PM
Wojo / Raff seem to vote Haanif.  I won't overrule them.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2016, 08:02:12 PM
Haanif. Though better defense and physical play from Henry too.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: tower912 on January 05, 2016, 08:02:29 PM
Henry, 13-10, game ending block
Haanif, great all game.
Duane, game winning hoop.   Third because of some sloppier play early.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: BallBoy on January 05, 2016, 08:03:20 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 05, 2016, 07:57:33 PM
1.  Haanif
2.  HE
3.  Du.

HUGE win!!

Go Warriors!

I agree with the order. haanif put up the numbers. HE because of the final block. Duane for the final bucket just wish he would hit his FTs.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 05, 2016, 08:03:23 PM
Just simply team effort. They all busted it
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Goose on January 05, 2016, 08:03:57 PM
Henry came up big on D last couple of minutes. He gets my vote.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Class71 on January 05, 2016, 08:04:08 PM
A great, great team effort, Haanif if we must select one.

Do you believe, wow!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: real chili 83 on January 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM
No way for HE with his lousy/horrific 3 point shooting.

Haaaaneeeeef!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: LA on January 05, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
Tough call between Henry and Haanif but I'll go with Haanif. Set the tone early and was hard to stop all night.

Duane doing his best Vander impression at the end is a close 3rd.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on January 05, 2016, 08:04:48 PM
Cheatham.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: The Process on January 05, 2016, 08:05:53 PM
HC for me.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: MarquetteDano on January 05, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
Cheatham.  Played his best defense all season and a very good offensive game as well.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Archies Bat on January 05, 2016, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: The Process on January 05, 2016, 08:05:53 PM
HC for me.

I respect this.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 05, 2016, 08:07:38 PM
HE filled the stat sheet and had the game winning block. No brainer.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 05, 2016, 08:08:55 PM
Dunn had 7 turnovers...and while Henry blocked his last shot, Haanif caused trouble for Dunn on that play and down the stretch where Dunn had two key turnovers.  Haanif gets my vote
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: bilsu on January 05, 2016, 08:09:16 PM
Cheatham
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: bilsu on January 05, 2016, 08:10:10 PM
Cohen was big on our comeback.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Newsdreams on January 05, 2016, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM
No way for HE with his lousy/horrific 3 point shooting.

Haaaaneeeeef!
Two were with time expiring
Henry
Great stats
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: BM1090 on January 05, 2016, 08:11:05 PM
Henry or Haanif.

Huge shot by Duane though. Great move, finished through contact and scored, even though he didn't get the call.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Sheriff on January 05, 2016, 08:12:11 PM
Beat 'em with Cheatham
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: MomofMUltiples on January 05, 2016, 08:12:28 PM
Henry. He came through when needed.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on January 05, 2016, 08:14:38 PM
Bentil. Wow, what a beast. That kid was amazing, more impressive than Dunn.

But since I have to vote for one of ours, I guess Henry. His threes drove me nuts, but another double-double and the game clinching block.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on January 05, 2016, 08:16:13 PM
Henry.  Solid throughout
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 05, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
It's obviously not Jajuan, but he had two big buckets when the offense stagnated that kept or regained momentum. Just wanted to give the guy a shoutout, I think he's picking his spots really well this year.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 05, 2016, 08:18:07 PM
Duane has not been a SOTG this year and hit the game winner.

It's his time.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 05, 2016, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 05, 2016, 08:18:07 PM
Duane has not been a SOTG this year and hit the game winner.

It's his time.
The carry at the end was almost a huge turnover.   Fortunately, Dunn threw it away on the next possession.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Daniel on January 05, 2016, 08:20:55 PM
Ha if.  He is coming into his own - solid big east play
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 05, 2016, 08:21:17 PM
Hani
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: mr.MUskie on January 05, 2016, 08:23:30 PM
Haanif
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 05, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Another reason for Duane

@Matt_Velazquez
What a gritty, gutty win by Marquette on the road at No. 8 Providence. Duane Wilson yelling "That's what I'm talking about" in the tunnel.

That is what a Stud does!!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: CTWarrior on January 05, 2016, 08:24:52 PM
Henry over Haanif in a tight one.  His best defense of the season.  Got big boards and a couple big blocks including the last one.  Haanif was also solid throughout.  Nice drive with some finishes and a good performance on D as well. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: We R Final Four on January 05, 2016, 08:26:50 PM
Haney
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2016, 08:27:35 PM
1. Haanif played a very sound game
2. Henry hustled and worked hard on D
3. Duane was clutch and was essential to winning.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brandx on January 05, 2016, 08:37:18 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 05, 2016, 08:14:38 PM
Bentil. Wow, what a beast. That kid was amazing, more impressive than Dunn.

But since I have to vote for one of ours, I guess Henry. His threes drove me nuts, but another double-double and the game clinching block.

Especially great to win a game when the other team had the two best players on the floor. Great effort.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: WayOfTheWarrior on January 05, 2016, 08:39:08 PM
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Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brandx on January 05, 2016, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 05, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Another reason for Duane

@Matt_Velazquez
What a gritty, gutty win by Marquette on the road at No. 8 Providence. Duane Wilson yelling "That's what I'm talking about" in the tunnel.

That is what a Stud does!!

This team lacks a "gimme the ball and get out of the way" leader when the game is on the line. Maybe Duane will try to take the spot.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: forgetful on January 05, 2016, 08:40:20 PM
1.  Cheatham, because he was our best player tonight.
2.  Du. Will, because he made the clutch shot.
3.  Henry, for being Henry.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 05, 2016, 08:43:18 PM
Cheatham
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
Henry...the rebounds and blocked shots were huge to compliment his scoring.  His outlet passes after defensive rebounds were a small but important thing.

Haanif a very close second.  He is gong to be a joy to watch...reminds me a bit of Jalen Rose.

Great shot by DU but it does not make up for the turnovers and misses fts.

Under appreciated gang of Wally, heldt, and JJJ all contributed.  Nice to see.

Btw, some great locker room celebration videos out there on social media...love the youthful exuberance!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: NCMUFan on January 05, 2016, 08:54:44 PM
Duane Wilson.  Without his bucket Marquette loses by 1.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on January 05, 2016, 08:57:13 PM
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 05, 2016, 08:54:44 PM
Duane Wilson.  Without his bucket Marquette loses by 1.

Without any of the buckets any of our players scored tonight we lose by one.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2016, 09:00:15 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 05, 2016, 08:57:13 PM
Without any of the buckets any of our players scored tonight we lose by one.

No, I think then we lose by 64 :)
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
Henry...the rebounds and blocked shots were huge to compliment his scoring.  His outlet passes after defensive rebounds were a small but important thing.

Haanif a very close second.  He is gong to be a joy to watch...reminds me a bit of Jalen Rose.

Great shot by DU but it does not make up for the turnovers and misses fts.

Under appreciated gang of Wally, heldt, and JJJ all contributed.  Nice to see.

Btw, some great locker room celebration videos out there on social media...love the youthful exuberance!


Care to share links?  I wouldn't even know where to go to look for them.

Anyway, Cheatham gets my vote.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Newsdreams on January 05, 2016, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
Henry...the rebounds and blocked shots were huge to compliment his scoring.  His outlet passes after defensive rebounds were a small but important thing.

Haanif a very close second.  He is gong to be a joy to watch...reminds me a bit of Jalen Rose.

Great shot by DU but it does not make up for the turnovers and misses fts.

Under appreciated gang of Wally, heldt, and JJJ all contributed.  Nice to see.

Btw, some great locker room celebration videos out there on social media...love the youthful exuberance!
If celebration does not involve beer and broken glass then is no celebration  ;D
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 05, 2016, 09:07:19 PM
I ran a ton of numbers and they all came up...

JaJuanson
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 09:13:22 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BALn1zfMZRn/


I'll try but I suck at this....see above link...it's on MU basketball Instagram account or in the team stream app
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 09:13:22 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BALn1zfMZRn/


I'll try but I suck at this....see above link...it's on MU basketball Instagram account or in the team stream app

Hah.  Nice.  Wojo knows what the young guys are into.  The "dab" (lame), last year's beginning a press conference with, "I'm just here so I don't get fined."  He puts on a mask in the media, but I'm guessing he's pretty loose with the guys.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 05, 2016, 09:16:27 PM
That's great. And I thought Scoopers were happy....
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on January 05, 2016, 09:32:19 PM
Chatham.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 05, 2016, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 05, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
It's obviously not Jajuan, but he had two big buckets when the offense stagnated that kept or regained momentum. Just wanted to give the guy a shoutout, I think he's picking his spots really well this year.

Completely agree with this.  He played within himself and made some key contributions.  there were a couple of situations where, last year, he would have just jacked up the hero three ball, but here he pulle dit down and made good things happen. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 05, 2016, 10:17:04 PM


  Haanif........Steady most of the game, he was a stabilizer.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 05, 2016, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 05, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
It's obviously not Jajuan, but he had two big buckets when the offense stagnated that kept or regained momentum. Just wanted to give the guy a shoutout, I think he's picking his spots really well this year.

He truly is becoming a team player, really proud of him.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 10:24:32 PM
Just rewatched the last 6 minutes with MU down 8.... Henry blocks two shots....plays great defense to alter others...grabs boards....draws a double team allowing JJJ a clear layup to the hoop....gets a major steal.....then comes up with the big block at the end.  Looooove Haanif....but HE is such a talent you just don't even notice sometime how impactful he really is on the game.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: jutaw22mu on January 05, 2016, 10:30:21 PM
Just got back from the game.  My vote is definitely for Cheatham.

Also disappointed that Wally did not see the floor in the second half. He brought a lot of energy during his stint in the first.  And it's truly beautiful watching and the kid rebound.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: BossplayaOtto on January 05, 2016, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 10:24:32 PM
Just rewatched the last 6 minutes with MU down 8.... Henry blocks two shots....plays great defense to alter others...grabs boards....draws a double team allowing JJJ a clear layup to the hoop....gets a major steal.....then comes up with the big block at the end.  Looooove Haanif....but HE is such a talent you just don't even notice sometime how impactful he really is on the game.

This.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 05, 2016, 11:09:29 PM
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 09:13:22 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BALn1zfMZRn/


I'll try but I suck at this....see above link...it's on MU basketball Instagram account or in the team stream app

Love it. Those kids love Wojo. It shows.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: keefe on January 05, 2016, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: News: Ellenson dreams & commits to MU on January 05, 2016, 09:06:48 PM
If celebration does not involve beer and broken glass then is no celebration  ;D

You forgot about strippers and cohibas
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: keefe on January 05, 2016, 11:23:43 PM
Quote from: jutaw22mu on January 05, 2016, 10:30:21 PM
Just got back from the game.  My vote is definitely for Cheatham.

Also disappointed that Wally did not see the floor in the second half. He brought a lot of energy during his stint in the first.  And it's truly beautiful watching and the kid rebound.

The hound is back!!! I love it.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Newsdreams on January 05, 2016, 11:41:58 PM
Quote from: keefe on January 05, 2016, 11:20:45 PM
You forgot about strippers and cohibas
But that would be Pitino - Lousville
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: MU82 on January 05, 2016, 11:48:43 PM
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on January 05, 2016, 09:13:22 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BALn1zfMZRn/


I'll try but I suck at this....see above link...it's on MU basketball Instagram account or in the team stream app

Nice link.

Definitely looks like a group sick and tired of Wojo's mind games!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: WarriorFan on January 06, 2016, 04:45:17 AM
Cheatham

NOT Henry... Most of Providence's baskets during their comeback were against Henry's defense (or lack of defense).  I'm not anti-Henry, just want to see a more complete game win SOTG.

Strong Runner-up:  Wojo - managed the game well, good time usage, nice switch to zone, used TO's wisely, but most of all, had the team prepared for this one. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2016, 05:07:49 AM
cheatham....yup

wow, not much love from the espn's of the world.  i know, we got some mention, but they are tongue-kissing simmons-he can do no wrong for them.  saw a comparison of him to magic johnson and lebron-puhhhleeeeze.  we beat the #8 on the road and it's like, oh yeah, nice one.  they beat #9 kentucky on their floor and they anoint them the world beaters.  funny stuff.  once you're in their world man, it's hard to get out.  hey espn-we beat simmons and lsu!!!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 06:29:57 AM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2016, 05:07:49 AM
cheatham....yup

wow, not much love from the espn's of the world.  i know, we got some mention, but they are tongue-kissing simmons-he can do no wrong for them.  saw a comparison of him to magic johnson and lebron-puhhhleeeeze.  we beat the #8 on the road and it's like, oh yeah, nice one.  they beat #9 kentucky on their floor and they anoint them the world beaters.  funny stuff.  once you're in their world man, it's hard to get out.  hey espn-we beat simmons and lsu!!!

I clicked over to the end of the Kentucky/LSU game last night, which led into SportsCenter. Of course, all they could do was gush about Simmons. I thought it was funny, just like when we beat a ranked LSU team, the postgame talk was all about Simmons, now we go beat the #8 team in their gym, and again, the talk is all about Simmons.

Then when they finally got to the Marquette game (3rd story, I think) it was all Providence highlights until the end when they showed Duane's layup and Henry's block.

I was definitely chuckling at the coverage...undone again by Simmons!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: 21rooster on January 06, 2016, 07:16:52 AM
It's hard to argue against Henry given his fat stat line, but Cheatham gets my vote.  Such an efficient game - 16 points on 71% shooting including 1/1 from three, to go along with the defense.  On the season, Cheatham is hitting 56% of his shots, including 61% of his threes.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: warriorfan 14 on January 06, 2016, 08:24:19 AM
cheatham. most consistent performer throughout the game
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: jsglow on January 06, 2016, 08:33:59 AM
I'm going with Hani but EVERYONE contributed.  Even Matty gave us 5 very solid minutes.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 06, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Cheatham

After Henry hit his 1st three point attempt I was worried he'd keep jacking them up, went 1-5. Hasn't Wojo already mentioned at times the team jacks up too many?
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 06, 2016, 08:57:59 AM
HC

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein  2h2 hours ago
Hannif Cheatham's efficiency is ridiculous. Shooting 55.9% from the field and 61.1% from three-point range. Just a freshman for Marquette.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: CTWarrior on January 06, 2016, 08:58:06 AM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 06, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Cheatham

After Henry hit his 1st three point attempt I was worried he'd keep jacking them up, went 1-5. Hasn't Wojo already mentioned at times the team jacks up too many?
I forgot about that first three.  When it happened to put MU up 5-0, I could have sworn he was not completely behind the line and thought they would correct it to a 2.  They never showed a replay and never mentioned it.  Did anybody else think the same thing?
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 06, 2016, 08:58:59 AM
Quote from: jsglow on January 06, 2016, 08:33:59 AM
Even Matty gave us 5 very solid minutes.

That young man has hustle. I would say he was the toughest guy on the floor yesterday. Talk about playing hard in the minutes you're given.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2016, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 06:29:57 AM
I clicked over to the end of the Kentucky/LSU game last night, which led into SportsCenter. Of course, all they could do was gush about Simmons. I thought it was funny, just like when we beat a ranked LSU team, the postgame talk was all about Simmons, now we go beat the #8 team in their gym, and again, the talk is all about Simmons.

Then when they finally got to the Marquette game (3rd story, I think) it was all Providence highlights until the end when they showed Duane's layup and Henry's block.

I was definitely chuckling at the coverage...undone again by Simmons!

not to turn this in to a bs thread, but i hate when sporting news in general start hailing a dude before he's even dry behind the ears.  once they anoint someone, many times, they are stubborn to criticize b/c it would be like admitting they were wrong.  i'm sure we will have a thread or two on bs and other legitimate POY'S, but i remember when they did this to a certain quarterback in the nfl who was adequate at best and then went on to flame out.  anyway, MU's great win overshadowed by a good, but not yet great playa...stay tuned.  go HE
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 06, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2016, 09:00:25 AM
not to turn this in to a bs thread, but i hate when sporting news in general start hailing a dude before he's even dry behind the ears.  once they anoint someone, many times, they are stubborn to criticize b/c it would be like admitting they were wrong.  i'm sure we will have a thread or two on bs and other legitimate POY'S, but i remember when they did this to a certain quarterback in the nfl who was adequate at best and then went on to flame out.  anyway, MU's great win overshadowed by a good, but not yet great playa...stay tuned.  go HE

As a content creator it's much easier to keep telling the same story than to come up with new material. I think they stick to their guns because it's easier and cheaper.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: bilsu on January 06, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: jsglow on January 06, 2016, 08:33:59 AM
I'm going with Hani but EVERYONE contributed.  Even Matty gave us 5 very solid minutes.
Obviously, Heldt is not the star of the game, but I have been pretty pleased with the few minutes he played the last two games. Maybe, he is better suited for playing against big players than smaller ones.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: jsglow on January 06, 2016, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: bamamarquette on January 06, 2016, 08:58:59 AM
That young man has hustle. I would say he was the toughest guy on the floor yesterday. Talk about playing hard in the minutes you're given.

LOVED his game.  Do that every night young fella.  Guys are starting to find their roles.  JJJ, Wally and Matty are very important to this team.  Even Sacar's 30 seconds at the end of the half at GTown.  Not commenting specifically on his foul that possession but his willingness to enthusiastically do his job when called upon.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 06, 2016, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: bilsu on January 06, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
Obviously, Heldt is not the star of the game, but I have been pretty pleased with the few minutes he played the last two games. Maybe, he is better suited for playing against big players than smaller ones.

You can imagine the calls if he was throwing his weight around vs smaller teams. He bangs down low.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: 21rooster on January 06, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on January 06, 2016, 08:57:59 AM
HC

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein  2h2 hours ago
Hannif Cheatham's efficiency is ridiculous. Shooting 55.9% from the field and 61.1% from three-point range. Just a freshman for Marquette.

Looks like Rothstein must be a reader.  His tweet came five minutes after my post about how efficient Cheatham is. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 06, 2016, 08:58:06 AM
I forgot about that first three.  When it happened to put MU up 5-0, I could have sworn he was not completely behind the line and thought they would correct it to a 2.  They never showed a replay and never mentioned it.  Did anybody else think the same thing?

Thought the exact same thing. I said to my wife "love his long-range twos" and was surprised when they didn't change it. But hey, I'll take the extra point, deserved or not ;D
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: wadesworld on January 06, 2016, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 06, 2016, 08:52:56 AM
Cheatham

After Henry hit his 1st three point attempt I was worried he'd keep jacking them up, went 1-5. Hasn't Wojo already mentioned at times the team jacks up too many?

They showed the replay a few times throughout the broadcast (at one point coming back from break they highlighted his versatility by showing a bucket of his in the post, that shot, and a block at the defensive end) and it was definitely a 3 pointer.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 06, 2016, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2016, 09:00:25 AM
not to turn this in to a bs thread, but i hate when sporting news in general start hailing a dude before he's even dry behind the ears.  once they anoint someone, many times, they are stubborn to criticize b/c it would be like admitting they were wrong.  i'm sure we will have a thread or two on bs and other legitimate POY'S, but i remember when they did this to a certain quarterback in the nfl who was adequate at best and then went on to flame out.  anyway, MU's great win overshadowed by a good, but not yet great playa...stay tuned.  go HE

You mean like when ESPN was putting together RGIII's HoF introduction half way through his rookie season?
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: BlindboyPatSmith on January 06, 2016, 10:23:31 AM
Cheatham....or anyone but Wilson or Fischer
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: forgetful on January 06, 2016, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 06, 2016, 10:23:31 AM
Cheatham....or anyone but Wilson or Fischer

That's a little rough for the guy that made the game winner and as a guard was second on the team in rebounds. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: muwarrior97 on January 06, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 05, 2016, 07:57:33 PM
1.  Haanif
2.  HE
3.  Du.

HUGE win!!

Go Warriors!

AGREED!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: keefe on January 06, 2016, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: 21rooster on January 06, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
Looks like Rothstein must be a reader.  His tweet came five minutes after my post about how efficient Cheatham is.

Or...or...YOU, sir, are Jon Rothstein!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 06, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: forgetful on January 06, 2016, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!

I think you are under appreciating how difficult it is for a guard to be as efficient as Cheatham was, while controlling the offense much of the game and guarding a guy slated to go number 5 in the NBA draft.

Even with all that he was the leading scorer. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2016, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 06, 2016, 09:45:11 AM
You mean like when ESPN was putting together RGIII's HoF introduction half way through his rookie season?

yeah-that's it!!  and donovan mcchoke
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: 21rooster on January 06, 2016, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!

I would imagine that you're probably right to some extent.  I probably don't give Henry quite enough credit for rebounds and altering shots when he does get in position.  My biggest sticking point for Henry last night was shot selection.  Henry shot a respectable 46% last night, but that percentage would have been a lot better if he had stayed away from the three point line, where his 1-for-5 shooting brought his season average down to 25%.  Not only is Henry's 3pt % lowest on the team for all except Wally, but our best rebounder (Henry) is not there to rebound the other 75%.  Now...Henry's impact in other aspects of the game would have gotten him the nod in most games, but shot selection gave Cheatham the slight edge last night.  Either way, I'd take that Freshmen combination over nearly any other team's two best Freshmen. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 02:11:40 PM
At this point, I'd be happy to see Heldt get SOTG, just to get someone up there. Come on, mods, enough reminding us of the Georgetown loss! We beat a top-10 team last night!!!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 06, 2016, 02:59:21 PM
Henry shooting threes doesn't really bother me. They are usually smart and open looks. He can hit them. IIRC he shot around 40% from three in Italy and that was from nba range. He has the range but hasn't been hitting them. If he was taking contested threes, I'd have an issue. But if he has the shot and its halfway through the shot clock or less, then he should take it.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 03:16:21 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2016, 02:59:21 PM
Henry shooting threes doesn't really bother me. They are usually smart and open looks. He can hit them. IIRC he shot around 40% from three in Italy and that was from nba range. He has the range but hasn't been hitting them. If he was taking contested threes, I'd have an issue. But if he has the shot and its halfway through the shot clock or less, then he should take it.

Safe to say that what happened in Italy was fun, but isn't the same as real game action. Similarly, we heard about how great guys like Dan Fitzgerald and Jake Thomas were in practice. Maybe Jake could hit 100 straight in an open gym, but if it isn't translating to game action, it's not the same.

I have a few problems with Henry's threes. First, often Henry isn't taking in rhythm threes. Usually, he hesitates before shooting. Seems to think about whether he should pass or shoot. More often than not, the threes guys think about are the ones that don't go in. Not sure why that is, but it seems universal among even good shooters.

Next problem is that he's doing it when Luke's not on the floor. You can't be the only big man on the floor and launching threes. If you miss (which he does over 70% of the time) there's no one to get the rebound. If Luke's down in the paint it's different, but too often he likes the quick three with no one in position to rebound wearing the same color shirt.

End of the shot clock would be okay, someone has to shoot, but it also seems like he has no problem shooting early in the clock. Quite often I find myself shaking my head and thinking "work the offense" when he jacks a shot up. It's different if you're a Steve Novak or Steph Curry type that will hit anything if you have a glimmer of daylight, but if you aren't (and he isn't) then you shouldn't be taking those shots unless it's necessary.

Henry is shooting 47.7% inside the arc. I'd rather see him try a drive and pull up from the elbow most times than shoot a three. He isn't a terrible shooter, but he shouldn't be taking more than 1-2 per game. He makes his hay from 18 feet and in. Would much rather he generally stick to that unless it's wide open and in rhythm.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: bilsu on January 06, 2016, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Honestly think our unrealistic expectations of what Henry should be is keeping us from appreciating all he does for us. Henry was easily the best Warrior on the court last night. Double double, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 4 blocks, including the game winner. Give it to Hank!
We forget that he is a freshmen. 15 games into the season he is already 6th in rebounds by an MU freshmen. Barring an injury he will finish as the number one freshmen scorer and rebounder in MU history. He will finish second in block shots behind Jim MacILvanie. He could be better defensively, but even there he is doing better than the average freshmen player.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: MarquetteDano on January 06, 2016, 06:39:16 PM
Quote from: bilsu on January 06, 2016, 04:51:03 PM
We forget that he is a freshmen. 15 games into the season he is already 6th in rebounds by an MU freshmen. Barring an injury he will finish as the number one freshmen scorer and rebounder in MU history. He will finish second in block shots behind Jim MacILvanie. He could be better defensively, but even there he is doing better than the average freshmen player.

Great points.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 06, 2016, 08:35:56 PM
Bump for the mods.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: keefe on January 06, 2016, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: bilsu on January 06, 2016, 04:51:03 PM
We forget that he is a freshmen. 15 games into the season he is already 6th in rebounds by an MU freshmen. Barring an injury he will finish as the number one freshmen scorer and rebounder in MU history. He will finish second in block shots behind Jim MacILvanie. He could be better defensively, but even there he is doing better than the average freshmen player.

Not arguing but if freshmen could have played back in the day Chones, Luke, and McNeill would be way up there on PPG and RPG for freshmen.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 06, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 06, 2016, 08:35:56 PM
Bump for the mods.

Wow, you people are impatient.  After scouring the box score, despite my gut wanting to give it to Haanif, Henry had the best line, and the block of the game.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 06, 2016, 11:18:25 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 03:16:21 PM
More often than not, the threes guys think about are the ones that don't go in. Not sure why that is, but it seems universal among even good shooters.


It's because when they think about the three instead of just shooting it. It translates from a subconscious muscle memory into an active movement, which are not as precise.

BOOM SCIENCE'D
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: BlindboyPatSmith on January 07, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Hmmmmm slightly confused here.  So does this thread actually mean anything?  I 'unofficially' tallied the votes for Cheatham and Ellenson - it wasn't even close.  The folks here overwhelmingly thought Haanif deserved this SOTG. 

So this isn't really a 'vote'

Ok I am sounding cranky...time to get another cup of coffee  :)
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: barfolomew on January 07, 2016, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 07, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Hmmmmm slightly confused here.  So does this thread actually mean anything?  I 'unofficially' tallied the votes for Cheatham and Ellenson - it wasn't even close.  The folks here overwhelmingly thought Haanif deserved this SOTG. 

So this isn't really a 'vote'

Ok I am sounding cranky...time to get another cup of coffee  :)

Scoop is not a democracy, sir!
I will try to forget your comments when I present my report...

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Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: keefe on January 07, 2016, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 07, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Hmmmmm slightly confused here.  So does this thread actually mean anything?  I 'unofficially' tallied the votes for Cheatham and Ellenson - it wasn't even close.  The folks here overwhelmingly thought Haanif deserved this SOTG. 

So this isn't really a 'vote'

Ok I am sounding cranky...time to get another cup of coffee  :)

I share your outrage. Things were different when Mike Juno was running things. Perhaps it was a different time. But it was a better time.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 07, 2016, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 07, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Hmmmmm slightly confused here.  So does this thread actually mean anything?  I 'unofficially' tallied the votes for Cheatham and Ellenson - it wasn't even close.  The folks here overwhelmingly thought Haanif deserved this SOTG. 

So this isn't really a 'vote'

Ok I am sounding cranky...time to get another cup of coffee  :)

You can only tally the votes of the people that played or coached basketball in High School or College. All of the other pleb votes don't count.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 07, 2016, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 07, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Hmmmmm slightly confused here.  So does this thread actually mean anything?  I 'unofficially' tallied the votes for Cheatham and Ellenson - it wasn't even close.  The folks here overwhelmingly thought Haanif deserved this SOTG. 

So this isn't really a 'vote'

Ok I am sounding cranky...time to get another cup of coffee  :)
I, too, share your outrage at the mods getting it wrong...again.  With that said, I'm sure Rocky will happily refund your Scoop subscription.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: UticaBusBarn on January 07, 2016, 11:06:36 AM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 07, 2016, 10:44:55 AM
You can only tally the votes of the people that played or coached basketball in High School or College. All of the other pleb votes don't count.


Does sixth grade CYO basketball count?
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2016, 11:08:29 AM
Rocky's board, Rocky's choice.    (stupid Rocky ;D)   Oh, wait, I voted Henry.    Never mind. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2016, 11:34:48 AM
We are all blessed to have a true leader like Rocky.

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Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 07, 2016, 11:44:06 AM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 07, 2016, 10:44:55 AM
You can only tally the votes of the people that played or coached basketball in High School or College. All of the other pleb votes don't count.

So Dawson wins again?
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 07, 2016, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 07, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Hmmmmm slightly confused here.  So does this thread actually mean anything?  I 'unofficially' tallied the votes for Cheatham and Ellenson - it wasn't even close.  The folks here overwhelmingly thought Haanif deserved this SOTG. 

So this isn't really a 'vote'

Ok I am sounding cranky...time to get another cup of coffee  :)

Your vote was duly considered
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Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: keefe on January 07, 2016, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 07, 2016, 11:34:48 AM
We are all blessed to have a true leader like Rocky.

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We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom of speech Scoop provides, and then questions the manner in which Scoopers provide it. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, we suggest you pick up a keyboard and write a post.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: PJDunn on January 07, 2016, 11:52:46 AM
Must have been some hanging chads.  Cheatam was clearly the stud of the game. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 07, 2016, 01:10:35 PM

  Maybe Rocky was aptly named.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 07, 2016, 01:15:06 PM
Quote from: PJDunn on January 07, 2016, 11:52:46 AM
Must have been some hanging chads.  Cheatam was clearly the stud of the game. 

I think he was the one that was the most improved that game, but he wasn't the best player we had on the court.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: jsglow on January 07, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: keefe on January 07, 2016, 11:49:46 AM
We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom of speech Scoop provides, and then questions the manner in which Scoopers provide it. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, we suggest you pick up a keyboard and write a post.

Because I don't give a damn about what you think your entitled to.   ;D
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 07, 2016, 01:36:40 PM


This is starting to resemble a game of Reverse Darts.   We hold the dart, and Rocky throws the Board at us.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2016, 01:47:25 PM
Quote from: keefe on January 07, 2016, 11:49:46 AM
We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom of speech Scoop provides, and then questions the manner in which Scoopers provide it. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, we suggest you pick up a keyboard and write a post.
Did you order that Ellenson be named SOTG?
I did what I had to do!
Did you order that Ellenson be named SOTG?!?!?

YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I DID!
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 07, 2016, 02:18:06 PM
It all makes sense now. Rocky models his username after the worst song in history, Rocky Top, and just like Tennessee fans, he thinks he's way more important than he is  ;D

But seriously thanks mods for all you do.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on January 07, 2016, 03:16:47 PM
Question... last year the cumulative SOTG player tally showed up on the top left.  This year it doesn't.  Is there a setting change to make it appear?
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: bilsu on January 07, 2016, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 07, 2016, 03:16:47 PM
Question... last year the cumulative SOTG player tally showed up on the top left.  This year it doesn't.  Is there a setting change to make it appear?
I can't resist. You mean you cannot add 6 numbers in your head. Here is a hint, it equals the same amount as our wins.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 07, 2016, 03:37:45 PM
HE passed Carlino's team leading mark of 3 SOTGs from last season
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on January 08, 2016, 10:08:16 AM
Bolus you did not answer the question.  Perhaps you didn't understand it.  Last year the SOTGs were listed in the upper left.  This year they are not listed.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2016, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 08, 2016, 10:08:16 AM
Bolus you did not answer the question.  Perhaps you didn't understand it.  Last year the SOTGs were listed in the upper left.  This year they are not listed.

I guess I don't quite understand what you're saying.  If you don't see the block with Ellenson's picture, either...
1) You're probably on mobile/ipad (where they don't show up for size and formatting limitations)
2) You need to click the small grey "plus" symbol to the top right of the "Next up: St. John's (Al's Day)" block.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 08, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2016, 11:13:06 AM
I guess I don't quite understand what you're saying.  If you don't see the block with Ellenson's picture, either...
1) You're probably on mobile/ipad (where they don't show up for size and formatting limitations)
2) You need to click the small grey "plus" symbol to the top right of the "Next up: St. John's (Al's Day)" block.

Mine says Ben Simmons is the SOTG.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: forgetful on January 08, 2016, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2016, 11:13:06 AM
I guess I don't quite understand what you're saying.  If you don't see the block with Ellenson's picture, either...
1) You're probably on mobile/ipad (where they don't show up for size and formatting limitations)
2) You need to click the small grey "plus" symbol to the top right of the "Next up: St. John's (Al's Day)" block.

He may be referring to it not appearing on the index page.  I know for Safari it does not appear on the index page, but does appear in the other pages. 
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2016, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: forgetful on January 08, 2016, 12:34:10 PM
He may be referring to it not appearing on the index page.  I know for Safari it does not appear on the index page, but does appear in the other pages.

This is correct, it only shows in the 'Al board.  It's always been that way though...I think.
Title: Re: SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 08, 2016, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2016, 01:54:27 PM
This is correct, it only shows in the 'Al board.  It's always been that way though...I think.

Yes.
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