curious to see what everyone thinks about this one. a 20 point loss to start conference play is about as bad as gets. We can all talk about improvement, but when put to a real test we failed and failed bad.
Not good. I wish I was more surprised. The Big East is tough and our guys played soft.
Losing by one or twenty is the same. It's still one loss in the standings. Doesn't change my thought that we can win Saturday.
Yes, it was bad, and we got too fat on cupcakes, but we'll lose some we shouldn't and win some we shouldn't. No reason we can't get them back in Newark.
Played like Freshmen.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 30, 2015, 08:09:20 PM
Losing by one or twenty is the same. It's still one loss in the standings. Doesn't change my thought that we can win Saturday.
Yes, it was bad, and we got too fat on cupcakes, but we'll lose some we shouldn't and win some we shouldn't. No reason we can't get them back in Newark.
Brew, you and I seem to be on the same page 99% of the time. You normally even help me back away from the ledge. I don't think there is anything you can say or do to keep me from jumping this season. Haha!
We're fine.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
We're fine.
I would like to believe that, but it remains to be seen
Relax
Quote from: warriorstrack on December 30, 2015, 08:25:22 PM
I would like to believe that, but it remains to be seen
Bingo. Coming to conclusions on a team based on 20 minutes of basketball when they start a junior, sophomore, and 3 freshman is beyond silly. But it's what happens here. And last time it happened we ran off 9 straight wins.
I'm not so torn up by the loss, and believe that the team will still be competitive overall (even if it only means an NIT bid). Tonight makes me wish, though, that our first BEast game had been on the road, where a loss is more expected and accepted. We need to hold our own at home, and we didn't do that. The guys learned what the BEast means.
Now, we have a loss at home and need to go on the road to a G'town team that has underperformed. I'm watching the G'town-DePaul game, and while I hope that DePaul wins, I worry what that might mean for G'town's attitude Saturday.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2015, 08:38:05 PM
Bingo. Coming to conclusions on a team based on 20 minutes of basketball when they start a junior, sophomore, and 3 freshman is beyond silly. But it's what happens here. And last time it happened we ran off 9 straight wins.
seton hall is very young as well. youth is no longer an excuse in today's college basketball
Its hard to believe that itll change much, because quite frankly the teams MU has beaten arent super good. Conference play is going to be brutal. At least we got used to getting Ws, there are probably going to be a lot of more Ls. I hope I am wrong, but geez, its not looking good. A blowout loss at home, to start conference play is not what you need to build a platform for conference success. This was a big game, and important game for the team and it was blown. Even if somehow they win Saturday, that would likely just place MU back in neutral, not going forward, imho.
When you are a middle-of-the-BE team, you start your predictions with an 8-8 record. While Henry and Fishy might win two extra games for us, our freshmen experience loses 2. And our lack of luck loses another.
2-7 versus the top half of the BE .. 5-4 versus the bottom half.
Just got one of those top-half loses out of the way tonight.
Quote from: warriorfan 14 on December 30, 2015, 08:41:07 PM
seton hall is very young as well. youth is no longer an excuse in today's college basketball
Right. Which is exactly why you'll see Seton Hall blow a team out on the road and lose to that same team at home just like like some team they did this to last year.
Young teams go through ups and downs. Seton Hall is young (not nearly as young as Marquette). They beat Wichita State, Georgia, Marquette, and Ole Miss but lost to Long Beach State and George Washington.
We got smoked at home by Iowa and won our next 2 games on neutral sites against LSU and ASU, and then beat Wisconsin in the Kohl Hole.
Youth absolutely causes inconsistencies. The good part about it? It's both bad and good inconsistencies.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 30, 2015, 08:09:20 PM
Losing by one or twenty is the same. It's still one loss in the standings. Doesn't change my thought that we can win Saturday.
Yes, it was bad, and we got too fat on cupcakes, but we'll lose some we shouldn't and win some we shouldn't. No reason we can't get them back in Newark.
Making the tournament this season was always going to be about sweeping St. John's, DePaul, and Creighton. Splitting with Georgetown/SH, and stealing a couple against the top 4.
Does this make it harder? Of course. But we can still accomplish that. Just have to have some better performances on the road. A team that shoots 64% from the line and 34% from three shot 85% and 50% respectively. We shot terribly. Good chance that evens out in Newark.
You cannot get smacked down on your own floor by Seton Hall and expect to make the tournament. I hope I am wrong but I don't think I am.
Are we that bad a shooting team...I hope not. Ugly.
Is henry that domestic...I hope not. Diamond had 39 today if I heard right.
Do we wilt like that as a rule...I hope not...I don't mind a loss so much that we fight at the end...but we were overwelmed.
SH may be the team we wanted to be...maybe we need to be sophmores like them.
I fully expected we'd win some we're expected to lose, and lose some we're expected to win. This is simply one of the latter. Ugly, but a loss is still just a loss. A win @ Georgetown would ease the pain, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we lose.
Now if we lose to SJU next Saturday....
What improvements as a team have we seen? Offense cranking? No. Tough defense? No. Turnovers reduced? Not much. Dominating inside with our bigs? Not agents non-cupcakes.
So.... We can continue to say we need to improve, but when will it happen? That's the question.
Quote from: Daniel on December 30, 2015, 11:22:47 PM
What improvements as a team have we seen? Offense cranking? No. Tough defense? No. Turnovers reduced? Not much. Dominating inside with our bigs? Not agents non-cupcakes.
So.... We can continue to say we need to improve, but when will it happen? That's the question.
This. Everyone seems so optimistic about the season, but why? The team hasn't shown much promise. Have they beat a tourny team yet?
ASU is looking like a tourney team. So they've beaten 1 of the 2 tourney teams they've faced so far. Not a ton of opportunities yet - so maybe wait until rushing to judgement?
The team improved a ton after the Iowa game. Why is this so hard to understand? They regressed big time tonight - but it's one goddamn game.
People are optimistic because we have a ton of talented young players. Yes, they make mistakes - but almost every night they are taking on players/teams with more experience than them. Talent can't beat experience every night - especially nights like tonight when shots just weren't falling.
You haven't seen tough defense this season? Did you forget to watch the UW game? Our bigs have been pretty goddamn dominant - not just against cupcakes:
UW: Henry 15 pts 11 reb 4 ast
Luke 12 pts 8 reb
ASU: Henry 18 pts 11 reb
Luke 18 pts 8 reb
LSU: Henry 16 pts 11 reb
Luke 19 pts 8 reb
Sorry for the rant - but a 20 minute stretch is not something to call off the season for. Especially with a team that has already proven once this year that they can bounce back.
Has anyone on this team hit the floor going for a loose ball yet this year? I cannot remember it if they have.
And this is emblematic of the problem we have (so far) this year, IMO.
Quote from: GE911 on December 30, 2015, 11:30:01 PM
This. Everyone seems so optimistic about the season, but why? The team hasn't shown much promise. Have they beat a tourny team yet?
Daniel and GE911:
I think panic is in order. So climb to the top of the John Hancock building and jump.
The Warriors are doomed, so you might as well be doomed, too.
Quote from: manny31 on December 30, 2015, 10:41:57 PM
You cannot get smacked down on your own floor by Seton Hall and expect to make the tournament. I hope I am wrong but I don't think I am.
Interesting. So a tournament team has never had a bad loss at home during their season?
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2015, 09:58:10 AM
Daniel and GE911:
I think panic is in order. So climb to the top of the John Hancock building and jump.
The Warriors are doomed, so you might as well be doomed, too.
MU - thanks for the advice.
No one's panicking - it's just a game. These are just legitimate questions. Period.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 31, 2015, 01:21:08 PM
Interesting. So a tournament team has never had a bad loss at home during their season?
I think it is more problematic than interesting. The Warriors are at best a bubble team, a blow out loss at home vs SH does not bode well. I think we needed to sweep a couple of team, SH being one of them, to have a legit shot at the NCAA. The margin for error was small and became smaller with the loss to SH. I am ok with another "rebuilding year" but as has been said by some, I worry a little about what I see as a lack of toughness both mental and physical. Happy New Year to all you Scoopers:)
We already knew that with our weak schedule we had little margin for error, so this loss whether by 1 or 20 makes things really questionable. I am not surprised that we lost to Seton Hall. I think they are better than most people here are giving them credit for. I was surprised by losing by 20, especially after we finished the first half strong. What concerns me is our slow starts, which we had against a few of our bunny teams. It was not uncommon for our team to be down 5 minutes into a game we ended up winning by 20 to 30 points. Does it just seem like this team does not show up defensively at the start of games?
People need to calm down. I thought it was really encouraging how we responded after getting down big in the first half. If we got down big in the first and never made it a game I'd be more concerned. In the second half our shots weren't falling. And when shots aren't falling and momentum swings a game can go from 5 points to 20 very quickly. I still like this team's potential