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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dgies9156 on December 16, 2015, 11:30:34 PM

Title: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: dgies9156 on December 16, 2015, 11:30:34 PM
Too much Bo hate is going on around us. God knows, I would have loved to have had a coach like Bo who was with us for 14 years, made two Final Fours and made the tournament each of the last 14 years.

Kinda sounds like their version of Al.

Look, we can pick on Dracula all we want. And, we can get to be good at it after awhile. But I will give Bo credit for making better than average ballplayers stars and by building a system that worked. period. He really was a great coach and should respected for it. Made beating the rodent all the better!

I hope he has a great retirement. I also wonder as much as Bo wants Coach Gard to be head coach whether the Rodent isn't going in the same direction we went with Coach Raymonds or North Carolina did with Coach Guthridge. Both Coaches Raymonds and Guthridge were great coaches but to schools that had Coaches McGuire and Smith, the standard could not be attained by their successors. I wonder the same thing about Wisconsin.

Goodbye  Bo. We'll miss beating you.... when we did.

Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: wadesworld on December 16, 2015, 11:36:27 PM
You lost all credibility when you compared Bo Ryan to Al McGuire.

The guy sucks.  Nothing like Al.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: dgies9156 on December 16, 2015, 11:41:27 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on December 16, 2015, 11:36:27 PM
You lost all credibility when you compared Bo Ryan to Al McGuire.

The guy sucks.  Nothing like Al.

Uh Wade, think about it.

14 years, 14 NCAA tournaments.

2  NCAA final fours.

Between 1966 and 1977, we were in the post season every year. We had two NCAA Final Fours and one National Championship. Bo didn't win it all, but he got damn close!

Look, nobody is arguing Bo is Al. Their personalities are night and day. But they achieved very similar results during their coaching tenure. And Badger fans love him!

Is he Al, No! But did he produce similar results --  of course he did.

C'mon I was there. Al turned our program around. So did Bo to their's!


Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: wadesworld on December 16, 2015, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 16, 2015, 11:41:27 PM
Uh Wade, think about it.

14 years, 14 NCAA tournaments.

2  NCAA final fours.

Between 1966 and 1977, we were in the post season every year. We had two NCAA Final Fours and one National Championship. Bo didn't win it all, but he got damn close!

Look, nobody is arguing Bo is Al. Their personalities are night and day. But they achieved very similar results during their coaching tenure. And Badger fans love him!

Is he Al, No! But did he produce similar results --  of course he did.

C'mon I was there. Al turned our program around. So did Bo to their's!

The coach before Bo went to a Final Four 2 seasons before Bo took over.

There is no comparison.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: keefe on December 16, 2015, 11:55:56 PM
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 16, 2015, 11:30:34 PM

Kinda sounds like their version of Al.


WTF??

Al recruited boys others didn't want and made men out of them. He put their interests first - when Jim Chones received a multi-million dollar offer from the Nets Al told him to take it. Al knew full well that losing Chones from his then unbeaten top ranked Warriors would destroy that season on the eve of the NCAA tournament. But he also knew that Chones' mom was a cleaning woman at S C Johnson and the contract would be life altering for the Chones family. Al was that kind of guy.

Bo Ryan is a mean-spirited, vindictive prick who tried to prevent a young man from playing in any school in his home state, or anywhere else for that matter, for the sole reason that the kid wanted to leave Wisconsin.

Al would have never done that. I am pretty sure Al also kept his word to his wife and never dropped trow for a young enough to be his granddaughter tart.

Bo Ryan is nothing like Al McGuire. Thank god. 

Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: dgies9156 on December 17, 2015, 06:41:57 AM
Quote from: keefe on December 16, 2015, 11:55:56 PM
WTF??

Al recruited boys others didn't want and made men out of them. He put their interests first - when Jim Chones received a multi-million dollar offer from the Nets Al told him to take it. Al knew full well that losing Chones from his then unbeaten top ranked Warriors would destroy that season on the eve of the NCAA tournament. But he also knew that Chones' mom was a cleaning woman at S C Johnson and the contract would be life altering for the Chones family. Al was that kind of guy.

Bo Ryan is a mean-spirited, vindictive prick who tried to prevent a young man from playing in any school in his home state, or anywhere else for that matter, for the sole reason that the kid wanted to leave Wisconsin.

Al would have never done that. I am pretty sure Al also kept his word to his wife and never dropped trow for a young enough to be his granddaughter tart.

Bo Ryan is nothing like Al McGuire. Thank god.

Guys, guys, guys.

I loved Al as much as anyone. He truly was unique and he made Marquette what it is in so many different ways on and off the court. The campus our children and grandchildren have today -- a far sight better than the one that existed in the 1960s and 1970s -- was largely built with McGuire money, contributions generated in no small part by our basketball program.

The Chones story is very typical Al. He cared and his kids graduated. Chones' departure was a traumatic event to those of us who didn't know what was going on. We smelled a national title coming. But as magnanimous as Al was, he knew what was coming (Lucas) would defer rather than eliminate a shot at a national title, softening the blow. What he did was extraordinary and yes, I know of no comparable circumstance at Wisconsin while Bo was there.

Indeed, Al recruited African American basketball players long before many schools even thought of it. He was a fixture in Milwaukee and Wisconsin long after he was head coach at Marquette. I know nothing of his personal life but feel pretty confident he was the person Keffe describes above.

Remember too, Keefe, Al was hated by many the way Bo has been hated by us. That's part of what made him so endearing to us.

There is almost nothing I know about Bo's life away from the basketball court. But what I do know, as do most Scoopers, is that results matter. With the exception of the fact that we won the one big game we won, Bo had on the court results not unlike what we had under Al. That's statistically relevant.

If somebody had come to us as Scoopers in 2000 and said that if our beloved Warriors hired Bo Ryan, we would be in 14 consecutive NCAA tournaments, two final fours and come within a smidgen of a national championship, there is not a person in this room who would not have killed if Marquette had taken a pass.

That's the comparison I was making.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: jsglow on December 17, 2015, 06:48:27 AM
Dg, I don't think anyone here disagrees with your assessment of Bo as a basketball coach.  But it is fair to say that his course of conduct relative to ballplayers and his alleged actions away from the game preclude him from being discussed in the same sentence as Al.

I, too, wish him well.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Anti-Dentite on December 17, 2015, 06:54:28 AM
Skeletor is number two in state history, a messy, morning after a lot of beer and burritos number two.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: tower912 on December 17, 2015, 07:15:10 AM
The schwing offense.  Seriously, Bo was a helluva coach, a helluvan adversary, a helluva lightning rod.   He embodied the Grinch for so many opponents.   However, he got the max out of his teams, doing it HIS way.   

http://wisconsinsportsblogs.blogspot.com/2008/02/bo-ryan-grinch.html
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: legacy on December 17, 2015, 07:24:26 AM
Bo did a great job at Wisconsin, and his tenure has been impressive.  That said, his impact on Wisconsin is far less than Al's.  People who think they are similar are simply too young to remember Al's Marquette teams. There is a stark difference in:

1) Program dominance: Marquette went ten years straight of finishing in the top 10.  In Ryan's 14 years, UW finished in the top 10 four years, but they also had four years of not finishing in the top 25. 

2) Starting points: Al took over a Marquette team that was 5-21 the previous year, and hadn't been to the NCAA tournament in four years .  Bo Ryan took over a team that had gone 18-11 the previous year, and had been to the tournament four of the previous five years, including the Final 4 two years prior.  There was no Dick Bennett for Marquette, and Bennett is really the guy that turned Wisconsin into a quality program.

3) Peak: Al went out as an NCAA champion, Bo went out as a runner-up -- and with a 7-5 team in who was spanked by Marquette... :)
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2015, 07:25:22 AM
dg is saying that Bo Ryan is Wisconsins Al.
He's not say he is Al. Just like Shaka Smart is VCU's Al. (Not comparing them, but VCU will think of Shaka in the same light that we think of Al)...
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: legacy on December 17, 2015, 07:36:19 AM
I'm just saying that Al was Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan rolled into one with a championship to boot.  Wisconsin has no Al, not even Alvarez in football.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: avid1010 on December 17, 2015, 07:41:48 AM
Quote from: keefe on December 16, 2015, 11:55:56 PM

Al would have never done that. I am pretty sure Al also kept his word to his wife and never dropped trow for a young enough to be his granddaughter tart.


if this is true...bo and barry have more in common than i thought. 
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 17, 2015, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2015, 06:48:27 AM

Dg, I don't think anyone here disagrees with your assessment of Bo as a basketball coach.  But it is fair to say that his course of conduct relative to ballplayers and his alleged actions away from the game preclude him from being discussed in the same sentence as Al.


This.

Yeah, he was a great coach.  But even if the off the court allegations turn out to be false, the Chones vs Uthoff situations show they they are on totally different levels as human beings.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 17, 2015, 08:21:57 AM
Bo's legacy .... He was 8 - 7 against MU.  Should have stuck around one more year so he could have retired 8 - 8
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: MerrittsMustache on December 17, 2015, 08:46:12 AM
Bo Ryan's Legacy: Turning average players into good players and turning great players into good players.

Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020 on December 17, 2015, 09:17:33 AM
This is what I will always remember as Bo's legacy: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udu6Wbb6qkY

F that guy.  No class.   

Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: keefe on December 17, 2015, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: MUunderpants on December 17, 2015, 09:17:33 AM
This is what I will always remember as Bo's legacy: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udu6Wbb6qkY

F that guy.  No class.   

This one is better. It really shows the gecko's true colors. His only comment is that he lost because of the refs.

https://www.youtube.com/v/5aluT-VpxrM
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Screw Bo.

He did well with Bucky, following Bennett's success. He recruited for a system and ran that system well but then complained when 1-and-dones rejected his system to go elsewhere. Hypocrite that he is, he ripped other schools for going afte 1-and-dones when he did the exact same thing -- they simply chose not to play for him.

He's a whiner and, apparently, a p.o.s. as a human.

I'm glad he was denied his title. He didn't deserve to be a champion like Al was!
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on December 17, 2015, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2015, 11:23:43 AM
This one is better. It really shows the gecko's true colors. His only comment is that he lost because of the refs.

https://www.youtube.com/v/5aluT-VpxrM
Agreed. Bo is Crean-esque in this sense. Horrible class when they lose.

http://youtu.be/IoW20FpqEuk

What an absolute dick. Nobody but their team had it this tough. Nobody else had to overcome adversity! Go Fck yourself.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: keefe on December 17, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
The man's legacy will be defined by his poor sportsmanship and the disgrace he brought upon himself, his employer, his team, and the pain he inflicted on his wife of 40 years.

Nobody forced Ryan to cavort with hookers. I will give him as much consideration as he gave to his wife when he chose to betray everyone who trusted him.

He was a good basketball coach. So what? He was a miserable human being. Adios you selfish, malicious bastard.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 18, 2015, 06:59:36 AM
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
The man's legacy will be defined by his poor sportsmanship and the disgrace he brought upon himself, his employer, his team, and the pain he inflicted on his wife of 40 years.

Nobody forced Ryan to cavort with hookers. I will give him as much consideration as he gave to his wife when he chose to betray everyone who trusted him.

He was a good basketball coach. So what? He was a miserable human being. Adios you selfish, malicious bastard.

Wait, Bo was picking up hookers? How do we know this? <popcorn>
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: warriorchick on December 18, 2015, 08:04:47 AM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 18, 2015, 06:59:36 AM
Wait, Bo was picking up hookers? How do we know this? <popcorn>

Get your own.  I don't think Undercover Brother is going to share.

(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/eddie-griffin-popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2015, 08:17:12 AM
Al was one of the all time greats. We were the #2 program after the great UCLA teams and his legacy is still remembered today by anyone who was a sports fan in Al's day. He was a mythical figure while alive.

Bo on the other hand was a very good Big Ten coach but not even the best coach in the Big Ten during his time. A time in the Big Ten when a couple of the Big Ten historical powers, Indiana and Michigan, were having problems.

I would say the more accurate comparison to Bo was that he was the equivalent of our Crean/Buzz combo. In some respects looking at it that way Bo was not even the best coach in the state.

On top of all that he was a very unsportsmanlike guy.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: MU82 on December 18, 2015, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 18, 2015, 08:17:12 AM
Al was one of the all time greats. We were the #2 program after the great UCLA teams and his legacy is still remembered today by anyone who was a sports fan in Al's day. He was a mythical figure while alive.

Bo on the other hand was a very good Big Ten coach but not even the best coach in the Big Ten during his time. A time in the Big Ten when a couple of the Big Ten historical powers, Indiana and Michigan, were having problems.

I would say the more accurate comparison to Bo was that he was the equivalent of our Crean/Buzz combo. In some respects looking at it that way Bo was not even the best coach in the state.

On top of all that he was a very unsportsmanlike guy.

Well, to be fair, he did have more success than the Crean/Buzz combo by almost any measure.

Still a POS, though!
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 18, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 18, 2015, 08:17:12 AM


I would say the more accurate comparison to Bo was that he was the equivalent of our Crean/Buzz combo. In some respects looking at it that way Bo was not even the best coach in the state.

On top of all that he was a very unsportsmanlike guy.

Bo was an outstanding coach, way better than TC (he owned TC), better than Buzz but not as good as Al.

And like TC, he was a very unsportsmanlike guy.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 18, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 16, 2015, 11:30:34 PM


Goodbye  Bo. We'll miss beating you.... when we did.

In 15 head to head matchups between Becky and the Warriors

Bo's teams won 8
Warriors won 7

The Dwade game in Madison with the fouls called in the opening 7 minutes was a travesty which many a Big Ten team visiting there can attest to.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: ronald dragon on December 18, 2015, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 18, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
Bo's teams won 8
Warriors won 7
I like how some Becky fans consider us a mid major, they're saying their best coach only managed to be just over .500 against a "mid major".
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on December 18, 2015, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 18, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
Bo was an outstanding coach, way better than TC (he owned TC), better than Buzz but not as good as Al.

And like TC, he was a very unsportsmanlike guy.
Buzz > Bo. Hands-down. Judge them by their accomplishments by age.

Whether you like Buzz or not it's true.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: legacy on December 18, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Truth be told, Bo was entirely correct.  Any objective observer could see that Coach K complained at halftime, and the officials bowed to mighty Duke and changed the way they were calling the game in the second half. 

Quote from: MUunderpants on December 17, 2015, 09:17:33 AM
This is what I will always remember as Bo's legacy: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udu6Wbb6qkY

F that guy.  No class.   
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Sylvester78 on December 18, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: Grayson Allen on December 18, 2015, 10:46:36 AM
Buzz > Bo. Hands-down. Judge them by their accomplishments by age.

Whether you like Buzz or not it's true.

Wow,  That is all sorts of crazy. 

And personally, maybe because I hve some standards for our university, I am not very proud of the Buzz era in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: wadesworld on December 18, 2015, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: Sylvester78 on December 18, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
Wow,  That is all sorts of crazy. 

And personally, maybe because I hve some standards for our university, I am not very proud of the Buzz era in a lot of ways.

While Bo is clearly the better coach than Bazz, it's cute that you pretend Marquette is "your university."
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Goose on December 18, 2015, 12:42:29 PM
Al is the best by a wide margin in this debate. I would Bennett and Ryan next on my list though. Hated Bo but the guy can coach and mentioning Crean or Buzz in same conversation is insanity IMO. My respect for Bo, the coach, is based off he won with kids that 99% of the coaches would get fired because of the same kids.

Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: MU82 on December 18, 2015, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: legacy on December 18, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Truth be told, Bo was entirely correct.  Any objective observer could see that Coach K complained at halftime, and the officials bowed to mighty Duke and changed the way they were calling the game in the second half.

That isn't "truth," it's an opinion.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Let's Go Warriors on December 18, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 18, 2015, 12:43:27 PM
That isn't "truth," it's an opinion.

All you need to do is look at twitter during that game.  UW fans whining like crazy at a time in the game where the foul count was like 7 on Duke and 2 on UW.  That will give you an idea of the level of objectivity.

Then of course, the main inside player for Duke having to sit for a while with 4 fouls.  But ya, the refs lost it for Bucky... ::)
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 18, 2015, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: legacy on December 18, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Truth be told, Bo was entirely correct.  Any objective observer could see that Coach K complained at halftime, and the officials bowed to mighty Duke and changed the way they were calling the game in the second half.


If this is True why does Duke ever lose?
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020 on December 18, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
COLLEGE BASKETBALL 101 COACHES TEXTBOOK EXIT INTERVIEW AFTER LOSING THE BIG GAME:

"Congratulations to Duke, they played a great game, I'm really proud of our team."

BO RYAN:

WaaaaaahREFSwaaaaaaaaahRENTAPLAYERSwaaaaaaaaaahCOACHKwaaaaaaaaaaaaahIHAVEOLDBALLSwaaaaaahwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 18, 2015, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: legacy on December 18, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Truth be told, Bo was entirely correct.  Any objective observer could see that Coach K complained at halftime, and the officials bowed to mighty Duke and changed the way they were calling the game in the second half.

Any objective observer could see that Duke attacked and put Bucky on their heels. That same strategy worked for UW all year. When Coach K's team turned the tables on them they should have tipped their hat or played harder. Instead they whined.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: keefe on December 18, 2015, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: MUunderpants on December 18, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
COLLEGE BASKETBALL 101 COACHES TEXTBOOK EXIT INTERVIEW AFTER LOSING THE BIG GAME:

"Congratulations to Duke, they played a great game, I'm really proud of our team."

BO RYAN:

WaaaaaahREFSwaaaaaaaaahRENTAPLAYERSwaaaaaaaaaahCOACHKwaaaaaaaaaaaaahIHAVEOLDBALLSwaaaaaahwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

BO RYAN:

WaaahREFSwaahCANISCREWYOURWIFEwaaahRENTAPLAYERSwaaaahCOACHK
waaahESCORTSERVICEwaaahREFSF#CKEDUSwaaahSWINGERLIFESTYLEwaaah
REFSwaaaahMYWIFEDOESN'TKNOWwaaaahREFSwaaaahHOOKERSwaaaah!
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: MU82 on December 18, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
Bo Cryin'!
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: legacy on December 18, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
Yes, people like the New England Sports Network are clearly biased Badger fans:

http://nesn.com/2015/04/duke-benefits-from-two-bad-calls-late-in-national-championship-video/

I'm a Warrior fan, but I still have eyes.  I'm a Packer fan, but it's clear that the Pack got lucky with the facemark call a couple weeks ago.  Of course, they got robbed on the Fail Mary.  The Badgers got lucky with a no call against Kentucky.  They got screwed over in the Duke game.  It's okay to be honest about this stuff.

Quote from: CoachEllensonsCorner on December 18, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
All you need to do is look at twitter during that game.  UW fans whining like crazy at a time in the game where the foul count was like 7 on Duke and 2 on UW.  That will give you an idea of the level of objectivity.

Then of course, the main inside player for Duke having to sit for a while with 4 fouls.  But ya, the refs lost it for Bucky... ::)
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: GGGG on December 18, 2015, 08:40:13 PM
Quote from: legacy on December 18, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
Yes, people like the New England Sports Network are clearly biased Badger fans:

http://nesn.com/2015/04/duke-benefits-from-two-bad-calls-late-in-national-championship-video/

I'm a Warrior fan, but I still have eyes.  I'm a Packer fan, but it's clear that the Pack got lucky with the facemark call a couple weeks ago.  Of course, they got robbed on the Fail Mary.  The Badgers got lucky with a no call against Kentucky.  They got screwed over in the Duke game.  It's okay to be honest about this stuff.


It's OK for others to have a different opinion.  And I think yours is wrong. 

Now I am not saying that referees didn't make poor calls, but they didn't benefit UW over Duke over the balance of the game.  Furthermore, you said "Coach K complained at halftime, and the officials bowed to mighty Duke and changed the way they were calling the game in the second half..."

Yet the calls you show in the NESN link had nothing to do with how they were "calling the game."  I thought they called the game consistently. 
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Eldon on December 18, 2015, 09:16:23 PM
Quote from: legacy on December 18, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
Yes, people like the New England Sports Network are clearly biased Badger fans:

http://nesn.com/2015/04/duke-benefits-from-two-bad-calls-late-in-national-championship-video/

I'm a Warrior fan, but I still have eyes.  I'm a Packer fan, but it's clear that the Pack got lucky with the facemark call a couple weeks ago.  Of course, they got robbed on the Fail Mary.  The Badgers got lucky with a no call against Kentucky.  They got screwed over in the Duke game.  It's okay to be honest about this stuff.

I fancy myself an objective observer regarding Badger games and I didn't see any screwing.  The game seemed fairly called, IMO.  Bo's immediate blame on the refs EVEN IF he got screwed (again, I don't think he was) was in poor taste.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: legacy on December 18, 2015, 10:27:34 PM
I agree about opinions, but these are all verifiable facts:

1) Wisconsin committed less fouls per game than every team but one last year
2) Wisconsin was called for two fouls in the first half, while Duke was called for seven.
3) Coach K complained at half time
4) Wisconsin called four 13 fouls in the second half, while Duke was called for six.
5) Duke shot 20 free throws, while Wisconsin shot 10.
6) Two critical calls during the stretch run when Duke pulled away were bad calls in Duke's favor.

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 18, 2015, 08:40:13 PM

It's OK for others to have a different opinion.  And I think yours is wrong. 

Now I am not saying that referees didn't make poor calls, but they didn't benefit UW over Duke over the balance of the game.  Furthermore, you said "Coach K complained at halftime, and the officials bowed to mighty Duke and changed the way they were calling the game in the second half..."

Yet the calls you show in the NESN link had nothing to do with how they were "calling the game."  I thought they called the game consistently.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: legacy on December 18, 2015, 10:29:49 PM
And the larger point is that I'm not a UW fan -- I'm a Marquette fan -- but I could easily find these stats because (a) I remember watching the game, and (b) national sports media covered this. 
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on December 19, 2015, 04:03:28 AM
Quote from: legacy on December 18, 2015, 10:27:34 PM
I agree about opinions, but these are all verifiable facts:

1) Wisconsin committed less fouls per game than every team but one last year
2) Wisconsin was called for two fouls in the first half, while Duke was called for seven.
3) Coach K complained at half time
4) Wisconsin called four 13 fouls in the second half, while Duke was called for six.
5) Duke shot 20 free throws, while Wisconsin shot 10.
6) Two critical calls during the stretch run when Duke pulled away were bad calls in Duke's favor.
All other than #6 (in my mind) point to Bo being out-coached in halftime adjustments by Coach K.

I'm not arguing the stats here but you have WAY too many variables to isolate before you can draw a conclusion that the refs gave the game to Duke.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 19, 2015, 08:42:26 AM
Just because Coach K mentioned it to a reporter at halftime, how can you be sure the refs ever heard that?

Plus, if the refs did screw Wisconsin, who cares, job well done!
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 19, 2015, 08:58:24 AM
Quote from: legacy on December 18, 2015, 10:27:34 PM
I agree about opinions, but these are all verifiable facts:

1) Wisconsin committed less fouls per game than every team but one last year
2) Wisconsin was called for two fouls in the first half, while Duke was called for seven.
3) Coach K complained at half time
4) Wisconsin called four 13 fouls in the second half, while Duke was called for six.
5) Duke shot 20 free throws, while Wisconsin shot 10.
6) Two critical calls during the stretch run when Duke pulled away were bad calls in Duke's favor.


Listing a bunch of individual facts facts doesn't prove that any of them are related.

The refs called that game consistently and fairly. They weren't making bad calls one way, they were making bad calls both ways. Wisconsin and Duke both got a fair shake in the game and Wisconsin lost. There was bad reffing, but it went both ways.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Eldon on December 19, 2015, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: Grayson Allen on December 19, 2015, 04:03:28 AM
All other than #6 (in my mind) point to Bo being out-coached in halftime adjustments by Coach K.

I'm not arguing the stats here but you have WAY too many variables to isolate before you can draw a conclusion that the refs gave the game to Duke.

Beat me to it, thanks.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Jay Bee on December 19, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Eldon on December 19, 2015, 09:44:26 AM
Beat me to it, thanks.

Ish.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on December 19, 2015, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
The man's legacy will be defined by his poor sportsmanship and the disgrace he brought upon himself, his employer, his team, and the pain he inflicted on his wife of 40 years.

Nobody forced Ryan to cavort with hookers. I will give him as much consideration as he gave to his wife when he chose to betray everyone who trusted him.

He was a good basketball coach. So what? He was a miserable human being. Adios you selfish, malicious bastard.

Keefe proving once again why he's the best poster on scoop. Preach! Screw Bo & the hushed, reverent tones people speak of him with. Dude's an all-time a-hole with a ridiculous ego that coached for our rival. Burn, grinch.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: wildbillsb on December 19, 2015, 10:19:28 AM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 19, 2015, 10:11:41 AM
Keefe proving once again why he's the best poster on scoop. Preach! Screw Bo & the hushed, reverent tones people speak of him with. Dude's an all-time a-hole with a ridiculous ego that coached for our rival. Burn, grinch.

Other than that, EFR, how do you feel about Coach Ryan?
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: connie on December 19, 2015, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 19, 2015, 10:11:41 AM
Keefe proving once again why he's the best poster on scoop. Preach! Screw Bo & the hushed, reverent tones people speak of him with. Dude's an all-time a-hole with a ridiculous ego that coached for our rival. Burn, grinch.
I'm with you.  The Bo deification makes me gag.  My favorite is hearing how great and loyal he is to Gard, completely ignoring how he has f-ed over Barry, the university and the program.  Claiming that he should have just screwed them at the end of the summer, but is such a great guy that he was concerned about doing that while Gard's dad was sick just confirms the immortal words of Lee Dreyfus:  Madison is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.

How clueless are these people that they think Bo's shenanigans are not going to turn Barry away from hiring Gard.  The only person in Madison with a bigger ego than Bo is Barry.  Bo may have made the first move, but when Barry whips his out and puts it on the counter to be measured my bet is on Barry.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: We R Final Four on December 19, 2015, 11:28:56 AM
A few things that you don't do if you want to be in good graces with Barry:

1. Override his position as AD and annouce that you have found the next Mens basketball coach.

2. When your AD says not so fast my firend, force Barry's hand so that he has no choice but to give Gard an on court interview.

Based upon this IMO--there is no way in hell that Barry removes the interim tag from Gard.
I predict they will say all the right things--Gard will be granted an interview, etc. but his services will not be retained--with very little regard of how he performs in his semester on the bench.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: keefe on December 19, 2015, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 19, 2015, 08:42:26 AM
Plus, if the refs did screw Wisconsin, who cares, job well done!

Outstanding!
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: 🏀 on December 19, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Let's not forget that hog of a daughter that took to Twitter to slam Diamond Stone.

She's been quiet, can't believe she hasn't come up for enough air to comment lately.
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 19, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
His legacy = great coach

Not a great person.  I'll never forget the BS he said at the Holman funeral regarding Bruce Pearl.   Then with the transfer situation, he demand people be loyalty and commitment to him and the program.....I wonder how he felt about commitment and loyalty toward his wife.

Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: keefe on December 20, 2015, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 19, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
I'll never forget the BS he said at the Holman funeral regarding Bruce Pearl.   

What was this about?
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: CountryRoads on December 20, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 20, 2015, 04:18:36 PM
What was this about?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23278.0
Title: Re: Bo Ryan's Legacy
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 20, 2015, 06:52:53 PM
I was really disappointed in how Bo reacted to their loss in the Final. I actually always liked him. I think he let his emotions get the better of him. Hard to judge, although a man his age should've done better. At this point I'm just gonna take the rumors about women of ill repute as just that, rumors. He was just an outstanding basketball coach. To use a cliche, he was a coaches coach.

With all of that said, comparing him to Al McGuire is a joke. Al was a giant. A shining star in the sport. If he was in his heyday in this day and age, I'm afraid his celebrity would actually overwhelm him as a person, much like it did Bobby Knight.

Al was a perfect coach in a perfect time and his timing was impeccable. If he was around now, I think he might have become a different person than the lovable legend he turned into.

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