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Title: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 09:47:01 PM
'Tis that time of year.  With a free scholarship, there was speculation that Wojo was hanging on to it in case the right player was looking to transfer--either at midseason or end of the year.

As most schools are wrapping up their semesters, we should be hearing about a lot of midseason transfers in the next week or two. 

I'm assuming that if we go after any sort of mid-season transfers, we'll be looking for another big, given how stacked we'll be at guard and wing in 2016-2017.  But a big could help either back up HE/Fischer for the conference season or could slide into HE's spot if he leaves for the NBA.  Either way, should be a ton of minutes down low in 2017-2018, so a great opportunity for someone to walk into.

Just saw that Elijah Thomas, a Top 50 recruit out of Texas A&M (TAMU Eagle, any insight?), announced he'll be transferring.  Is he the type to focus on for a midseason transfer?

Other midseason transfers to keep track of?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 14, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
Ners is on Dodds board saying we will have a transfer.

You buying it?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 14, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
Ners is on Dodds board saying we will have a transfer.

You buying it?

Given the logjam at our guard positions, including adding Rowsey and Hauser next year, I wouldn't be surprised if someone feels like they can get more minutes elsewhere.  Unfortunately, I'd worry it would be someone like Duane or JJJ.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: BM1090 on December 14, 2015, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 10:15:20 PM
Given the logjam at our guard positions, including adding Rowsey and Hauser next year, I wouldn't be surprised if someone feels like they can get more minutes elsewhere.  Unfortunately, I'd worry it would be someone like Duane or JJJ.

But in both cases, midseason wouldn't make sense. Might as well wait until the end of the year
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 14, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
I want to say I really don't think anybody from the current team is going to transfer midseason but I never expected Deonte to leave.

Also, for those saying JJJ will leave I HIGHLY doubt it just because it would be a logistical nightmare. Say he transferred midseason, he would only have one semester of basketball left because he would be a senior next year, unless he decides to red shirts but I know I wouldn't want to sit out an entire year and a half before playing again.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MU Buff on December 14, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
The only one who isn't playing as much as I thought is JJJ and it would make no sense to transfer halfway through his junior year. He would have one semester of eligibility left unless he sits out all of next year as well.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: RideMyBuycks on December 14, 2015, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 14, 2015, 10:22:11 PM
But in both cases, midseason wouldn't make sense. Might as well wait until the end of the year

That, and aren't they both (Duane especially) getting equivalent minutes coming off the bench vs. starting? I've got to think Dwil's minutes would be there next year. JJ transferring wouldn't surprise me as much--his body language hasn't been great over the last 3 semesters.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 10:26:13 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 14, 2015, 10:22:11 PM
But in both cases, midseason wouldn't make sense. Might as well wait until the end of the year

Good point--didn't really think about that, especially for someone like JJJ (I kind of forget that he's a junior).
Title: Re: Midseason Transfer Targets
Post by: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 10:27:45 PM
But getting back to the point of this topic--about players to transfer IN, not about players transferring out: who or what type would you like to see Wojo target?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 14, 2015, 10:28:40 PM
Also, Duane already redshirted, so unless he can get a medical waiver for his freshman season, he will lose a year of eligibility.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2015, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 10:15:20 PM
Given the logjam at our guard positions, including adding Rowsey and Hauser next year, I wouldn't be surprised if someone feels like they can get more minutes elsewhere.  Unfortunately, I'd worry it would be someone like Duane or JJJ.
Losing either or both would be a big problem. Duane is getting starters minutes and his production is good. I think he has realized that this year is about the Bigs and he is understanding his role. We need JJJ both this year and next as an experienced sub, especially against the more athletic teams.  Also his value will continue to rise the more he buys into what the coaching staff is teaching him and the more Carter matures. JJJ is the biggest beneficiary of Carter in transition .
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MU Buff on December 14, 2015, 10:32:26 PM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 10:27:45 PM
But getting back to the point of this topic--about players to transfer IN, not about players transferring out: who or what type would you like to see Wojo target?

I would say an energy PF who gets points through running the floor and offensive rebounds. A Jameel McKay type player.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 14, 2015, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 14, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
Ners is on Dodds board saying we will have a transfer.

You buying it?

No I'm not. And it's best not to speculate about it.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GoldenZebra on December 15, 2015, 02:45:10 AM
Even if we gave some sort of credence to the rumor that there is a transfer, I doubt it. But if i was to play into the craziness and take a guess I'd say Anim.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: We R Final Four on December 15, 2015, 05:51:15 AM
Duane Wilson is not transferring.

As cornmehl stated I would like to see an athletic PF--off rebounding type.

I think the staff believes in Matt H. Next year, Luke is a senior and MH is a soph. They can bring MH along a little this year, summer and next year.
It is great to see MU teams with height this year so would like to see that continue.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Da 'Lanche on December 15, 2015, 06:51:01 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 14, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
Ners is on Dodds board saying we will have a transfer.

You buying it?

It's his inside connections....John Dawson has regretted his decision and is transferring back to Marquette.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: brewcity77 on December 15, 2015, 06:54:40 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 14, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
Ners is on Dodds board saying we will have a transfer.

You buying it?

Did John Dawson's brother tell him? Ners has been banging the JJ is going to transfer drum for three years now. I didn't believe it then and don't now.

If JJ leaves now, he gets three months to play somewhere next year. If he waits until the end of the year it would make more sense because at least he'd get a full year to play. Maybe JJ leaves and Anim has to grow up fast. Who knows, could happen, but I'm not going to speculate or worry about it.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 07:07:39 AM
Still don't really understand this mid year thing.  I guess if you're John Dawson and have been nailed to the bench it makes some sense.  Similarly, if a new coach comes in that you just can't mesh with I'll understand.  Look, I still don't get the STjr. decision but at least that was at the end of the year.  I'd be very surprised if anyone left now.  I could see it more at the end of the year if a player decided he couldn't play at this level.

As to any incoming, I could see a big being interested in the potential minutes beginning as early as next year.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on December 15, 2015, 07:31:25 AM
Ners is still somehow effecting this board while posting on other boards.  His legacy lives on!
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: WarriorFan on December 15, 2015, 07:46:13 AM
It's pretty clear we need a rebounding PF, especially if Henry leaves. 

I cannot figure out why anyone would ever transfer mid-season, except to say that they're college students and their logic is not very solid. 

We need a Big East Power Forward.  6-7 to 6-9, strong, likes to rebound, plays good D, can score on putbacks, the occasional dunk on a missed defensive assignment, and one or two post moves per game.  In fact, we need this whether Henry stays or goes.  Basically Steve Taylor without the stupid 3's he used to take. 
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 15, 2015, 08:26:13 AM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 14, 2015, 10:57:00 PM
No I'm not. And it's best not to speculate about it.


  +1000
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 15, 2015, 09:01:59 AM
Was waiting for this thread. It isn't Scoop unless we have some teenage girl dramatics to discuss.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 15, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
Geez, Ners makes a cryptic post on another board and the tin foil hats come out.  Time to buy some stock in Reynolds Wrap, ai'na?

Elijah Thomas would be awesome.  TAMU Eagle, it's up to you to make sure the transfer paperwork blocks all schools except Marquette.  But this quote makes him look like a bad fit at Marquette:

"I'm disappointed in Elijah's decision to transfer," Texas A&M coach Billy Kennedy said in a statement. "He's struggled with injuries and missed several weeks of practice. Unfortunately, sometimes young people have a hard time working through the process. I wish Elijah the best." (Source: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25414091/former-top-50-recruit-elijah-thomas-to-transfer-from-texas-am (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25414091/former-top-50-recruit-elijah-thomas-to-transfer-from-texas-am))
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MUMountin on December 15, 2015, 09:16:22 AM

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 15, 2015, 07:46:13 AM
It's pretty clear we need a rebounding PF, especially if Henry leaves. 

I cannot figure out why anyone would ever transfer mid-season, except to say that they're college students and their logic is not very solid. 

We need a Big East Power Forward.  6-7 to 6-9, strong, likes to rebound, plays good D, can score on putbacks, the occasional dunk on a missed defensive assignment, and one or two post moves per game.  In fact, we need this whether Henry stays or goes.  Basically Steve Taylor without the stupid 3's he used to take.

While I understand STjrs decision to leave with HE coming in, it sure would have been nice to have him as back-up to Henry and Luke this year.  Just imagine if we had him coming in off the bench to spell either for a little bit each game, or there in case of foul trouble.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 09:21:41 AM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 15, 2015, 09:16:22 AM
While I understand STjrs decision to leave with HE coming in, it sure would have been nice to have him as back-up to Henry and Luke this year.  Just imagine if we had him coming in off the bench to spell either for a little bit each game, or there in case of foul trouble.  Oh well.

No doubt. Still baffles me.  I actually think it'll be very quiet on the MU front through the rest of the year with the next announcement being HE saying he's having so much fun that he wants to play here at least another year.  (Okay, the next announcement will be HE's but not that.)
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 15, 2015, 09:46:26 AM
As far as transfers INTO Marquette...I'm not sure we have the scholarship left that people think.  I heard somewhere (TV broadcast? Radio?) That Wojo had awarded it to one of the walk-ons.  Presumably, scholarship rules (one year, renewable) apply even if you give them to walk-ons, so that scholarship wouldn't be available until next fall.

If someone can confirm (or squash) any of that, I'd love to hear.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 15, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
Elijah Thomas would be awesome.  TAMU Eagle, it's up to you to make sure the transfer paperwork blocks all schools except Marquette.  But this quote makes him look like a bad fit at Marquette:

"I'm disappointed in Elijah's decision to transfer," Texas A&M coach Billy Kennedy said in a statement. "He's struggled with injuries and missed several weeks of practice. Unfortunately, sometimes young people have a hard time working through the process. I wish Elijah the best." (Source: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25414091/former-top-50-recruit-elijah-thomas-to-transfer-from-texas-am (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25414091/former-top-50-recruit-elijah-thomas-to-transfer-from-texas-am))

Have to imagine Wojo will do what he can to land Thomas.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 15, 2015, 09:46:26 AM
As far as transfers INTO Marquette...I'm not sure we have the scholarship left that people think.  I heard somewhere (TV broadcast? Radio?) That Wojo had awarded it to one of the walk-ons.  Presumably, scholarship rules (one year, renewable) apply even if you give them to walk-ons, so that scholarship wouldn't be available until next fall.

If someone can confirm (or squash) any of that, I'd love to hear.

I hadn't heard that at all.  Be interesting, if true.  It would only be Michael, right?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 10:03:27 AM
Quote from: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
I hadn't heard that at all.  Be interesting, if true.  It would only be Michael, right?

I heard that on a broadcast as well. It was Mache.  Wouldn't that still leave an open schollie?

Duane
Luke
JJJ
Cohen
Heldt
Henry
Cheatham
Carter
Wally
Anim
Roswey
Mache

Thats 12.  Don't we have 13 schollies?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MUScoop on December 15, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
Quote from: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
I hadn't heard that at all.  Be interesting, if true.  It would only be Michael, right?

I just *finally* updated the scholarship table.  Ad admittedly the scholarship situation is complicated depending on Bailey and Henry next year.  We have from zero to two available next year (likely 2), but Wojo might not be willing to dole those out haphazardly until he knows for sure about those two.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 10:03:27 AM
I heard that on a broadcast as well. It was Mache.  Wouldn't that still leave an open schollie?

Thats 12.  Don't we have 13 schollies?

Thanks....and yes, but see above.  The situation next year is a little more constrained.

Edit: whoops, used the superuser account to post.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: MUScoop on December 15, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
I just *finally* updated the scholarship table.  Ad admittedly the scholarship situation is complicated depending on Bailey and Henry next year.  We have from zero to two available next year (likely 2), but Wojo might not be willing to dole those out haphazardly until he knows for sure about those two.

Thanks....and yes, but see above.  The situation next year is a little more constrained.

Don't we know for certain Bailey won't be around for 2 years?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 15, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 10:09:31 AM
Don't we know for certain Bailey won't be around for 2 years?

Certain? no  Likely? yes

We had a long thread about it during the summer.  Essentially, he signed his LOI for *next* year.  If I recall correctly, if he doesn't show up on campus next year, the LOI is really null and void, and we're just counting on his word to come in another year (think verbal commit).  And of course, he can always elect to forgo (or postpone) his mission.

So, a lot of variables.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 15, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
Is finals this week?  If so, we should find out really soon that someone is leaving ... like the next few days/week (if you're leaving you need as much time as possible to find a landing spot, waiting until after Jan 1 makes it harder).

I don't think anyone is leaving.  This begs a question ... When was the last "break" (winter or summer) that we did not have a transfer?

* STj transferred over the summer,
* Burton/Dawson last winter break
* A bunch two summers ago when Brent left/Wojo came in
* McKay two winters ago. 
* Brent always had transfers.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 15, 2015, 10:25:08 AM
Winter of my Sophomore year I believe 2012-13.  Ferguson (there's a name) transferred after that season.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 15, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
Certain? no  Likely? yes

We had a long thread about it during the summer.  Essentially, he signed his LOI for *next* year.  If I recall correctly, if he doesn't show up on campus next year, the LOI is really null and void, and we're just counting on his word to come in another year (think verbal commit).  And of course, he can always elect to forgo (or postpone) his mission.

So, a lot of variables.

That all makes sense now.  For the moment, 13 used next year with BB most likely deferred.  Think about it.  Last year we were down to #sixstrong for a few weeks with injuries to Carlino and Juan.  Wojo's come a long way.  I'll expect those potential 0-2 'available' will be filled in May.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 15, 2015, 10:39:31 AM
Speaking of transfers, how good would Damion Lee look in a Marquette uniform right now? Wojo shoulda substituted the ice cream truck for the finest hookers in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 15, 2015, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 15, 2015, 10:39:31 AM
Speaking of transfers, how good would Damion Lee look in a Marquette uniform right now? Wojo shoulda substituted the ice cream truck for the finest hookers in Milwaukee.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56899/damion-lee

Not sure his defense is any better than The Chief.  But his shooting at that position would have been a world of improvement.

How about Shonn Miller?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56330/shonn-miller
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 15, 2015, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 15, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
This begs a question ... When was the last "break" (winter or summer) that we did not have a transfer?

* STj transferred over the summer,
* Burton/Dawson last winter break
* A bunch two summers ago when Brent left/Wojo came in
* McKay two winters ago. 
* Brent always had transfers.
*Tanned Tommy always had transfers
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 15, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
Certain? no  Likely? yes

We had a long thread about it during the summer.  Essentially, he signed his LOI for *next* year.  If I recall correctly, if he doesn't show up on campus next year, the LOI is really null and void, and we're just counting on his word to come in another year (think verbal commit).  And of course, he can always elect to forgo (or postpone) his mission.

So, a lot of variables.

Right.  I am guessing Wojo has a pretty good handle on it, and I believe he's basically said that he doesn't expect to have BB until 2018.  Or maybe I am just dreaming that...but in reality, we have 1 schollie for next year, most likely 2 when Henry declares.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Earl Tatum on December 15, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
I can see Anim transferring.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 15, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 15, 2015, 10:39:31 AM
Speaking of transfers, how good would Damion Lee look in a Marquette uniform right now? Wojo shoulda substituted the ice cream truck for the finest hookers in Milwaukee.

Just took a stroll over to Craigslist to see what Milwaukee's offering and I'm not sure if it would've helped so much as had him running in the other direction. 
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 15, 2015, 09:16:22 AM
While I understand STjrs decision to leave with HE coming in, it sure would have been nice to have him as back-up to Henry and Luke this year.  Just imagine if we had him coming in off the bench to spell either for a little bit each game, or there in case of foul trouble.  Oh well.

A couple friends and I discussed this exact thing a few days ago.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: fjm on December 15, 2015, 11:46:14 AM
No idea where to post this, so I picked the transfer thread because well... Transfer. A good little YouTube video about Rousey and how he's liking MUBB just came out it seems! Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/DB97fjOSVRA
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 15, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 15, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
I can see Anim transferring.

If he does, he's going to have to go to a low major program because no one is going to take him mid-season on Schollie unless he can have an impact.

Amin looks like he has talent.  If he works at it, we can probably get significant minutes here by his junior year.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MomofMUltiples on December 15, 2015, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 15, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
I can see Anim transferring.

Why are people saying this? We've had no indication that he's dissatisfied with the program.  Sure, he's not playing, but it could be that he's a kid who understands his current place on the team and believes his abilities will allow him to contribute to a likely very good team next year.  He knows Henry is likely gone next year and that's an opening for him to be that guy. 

If you've heard something that suggests he's unhappy or frustrated, I'd like to know what it is.  If you are just basing it on the generalization that kids who don't get playing time are likely to transfer, I'm not convinced that applies to Sacar.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 12:32:10 PM
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 15, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
I can see Anim transferring.

Sacar has said in interviews that he knew he wasn't going to play much this year and he was Ok with that. Not too worried about him transferring.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 15, 2015, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 15, 2015, 09:16:22 AM
While I understand STjrs decision to leave with HE coming in, it sure would have been nice to have him as back-up to Henry and Luke this year.  Just imagine if we had him coming in off the bench to spell either for a little bit each game, or there in case of foul trouble.  Oh well.


I just don't see it.  STJ had tons of playing time last year and rarely had an impactful performance.  I feel confident in saying that Toledo is the type of place he should have gone to immediately. 
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 15, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 12:32:10 PM
Sacar has said in interviews that he knew he wasn't going to play much this year and he was Ok with that. Not too worried about him transferring.


Last year, a couple people said that they could see Sandy transferring given how he ended the year with a number of very forgettable performances with a few single-digit minutes games thrown in.

Instead he worked his a** off and is now a significant contributor. 

Making assumptions simply based on playing time is dumb.  Especially for a freshman.  Sacar doesn't seem overwhelmed by the game like Jamal Ferguson was.  Just needs to work.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: brewcity77 on December 15, 2015, 12:45:26 PM
If anyone is leaving, which I don't believe will happen, but if anyone is, I doubt it would be because of playing time. The players not currently getting playing time likely knew they wouldn't be getting a lot of playing time. Could be personal issues (like what led Juan to nearly transfer), in which case the kid has to do what's best for him, but I really don't think it's PT.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 15, 2015, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 15, 2015, 12:45:26 PM
If anyone is leaving, which I don't believe will happen, but if anyone is, I doubt it would be because of playing time. The players not currently getting playing time likely knew they wouldn't be getting a lot of playing time. Could be personal issues (like what led Juan to nearly transfer), in which case the kid has to do what's best for him, but I really don't think it's PT.


Not to defend Ners here, but I can potentially see JJJ leaving at the end of this year and dropping down a level for more playing time.  (a la STJ)   With Rowsey becoming eligible, Sam Hauser getting here, and no seniors leaving, I can see where he might think that his playing time will get even more limited.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
I can't defend Ners on the whole Derrick/Dawson issue. I think he was wrong on the basketball part of it and it was crazy how the thing became his "white whale". That said, he is a good guy, a smart guy and a huge MU fan. He reported a rumor on another board. He didn't pen 200 posts on Wojo's misuse of JJJ. Cut the guy some slack.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 15, 2015, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 14, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
Ners is on Dodds board saying we will have a transfer.

You buying it?

Let's just hope that he's not talking about himself transferring back to MUScoop.

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Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 15, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
I can't defend Ners on the whole Derrick/Dawson issue. I think he was wrong on the basketball part of it and it was crazy how the thing became his "white whale". That said, he is a good guy, a smart guy and a huge MU fan. He reported a rumor on another board. He didn't pen 200 posts on Wojo's misuse of JJJ. Cut the guy some slack.


I have no idea what he posted over there. 

However Ners posted all sorts of stuff last year that Wojo was playing "mind games" with JJJ, wasn't giving him enough playing time, and implied that he might transfer.  Was it 200 posts?  While it seemed like about that number, I doubt that was the case.

There was no evidence to suggest that any of it was true.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 15, 2015, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 15, 2015, 09:16:22 AM
While I understand STjrs decision to leave with HE coming in, it sure would have been nice to have him as back-up to Henry and Luke this year.  Just imagine if we had him coming in off the bench to spell either for a little bit each game, or there in case of foul trouble.  Oh well.

I guess that's not the senior year Steve envisioned when he was the top player in Illinois four years ago.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 15, 2015, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
I can't defend Ners on the whole Derrick/Dawson issue. I think he was wrong on the basketball part of it and it was crazy how the thing became his "white whale". That said, he is a good guy, a smart guy and a huge MU fan. He reported a rumor on another board. He didn't pen 200 posts on Wojo's misuse of JJJ. Cut the guy some slack.

Well said, Lenny
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on December 15, 2015, 01:52:48 PM
I guess that's not the senior year Steve envisioned when he was the top player in Illinois four years ago.

He wasn't the top player. He was the top Senior in a very down year. But of course he hoped for more.  Had he developed we wouldn't have won 13 games last year.  Stuff happens.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: bilsu on December 15, 2015, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 15, 2015, 12:32:10 PM
Sacar has said in interviews that he knew he wasn't going to play much this year and he was Ok with that. Not too worried about him transferring.
That is true. However, he started out the season playing some and now basically does not play. Who knows how he reacts to that. Given that he seems to be able to score pretty easily, he may believe he is better than the playing time he is getting. He was willing to play the four to help out the team, but I doubt he really wants to play the four. In that case Henry leaving may not be much of a help. I am hoping for no transfers at mid-season or at the end of the year. I could see JJJ transferring at year end, but I would bet on JJJ being here as a senior. Obviously, if Henry leaves there are a lot more minutes to allocate to the other players.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Milkshakes on December 15, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
I was looking for a little mid afternoon break from how tedious this project I am working on is....then I read this thread.  That project is looking pretty exciting right now. 
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: brandx on December 15, 2015, 02:17:43 PM
Quote from: bilsu on December 15, 2015, 02:13:02 PM
Given that he seems to be able to score pretty easily.......

Based on what?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 15, 2015, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
I can't defend Ners on the whole Derrick/Dawson issue. I think he was wrong on the basketball part of it and it was crazy how the thing became his "white whale". That said, he is a good guy, a smart guy and a huge MU fan. He reported a rumor on another board. He didn't pen 200 posts on Wojo's misuse of JJJ. Cut the guy some slack.

I think that you are soft pedaling the situation a bit.  It went beyond a Derrick/Dawson discussion to the point that I felt that he was basically vilifying a player throughout his senior year.  A player who may not have had all around point guard skills, but who without we surely wouldn't have reached even thirteen wins, and who was a leader and a great representative of the University.  I liked Ners too, I even sent him a PM of support when I thought he was getting jumped on unfairly, then he just seemed to go down a rabbit hole.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 15, 2015, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: jsglow on December 15, 2015, 02:02:41 PM
He wasn't the top player. He was the top Senior in a very down year. But of course he hoped for more.  Had he developed we wouldn't have won 13 games last year.  Stuff happens.

Yeah, I have to agree with that distinction.

I assume you mean that MU would have won more than 13 had Steve developed.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 15, 2015, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: bilsu on December 15, 2015, 02:13:02 PM
That is true. However, he started out the season playing some and now basically does not play. Who knows how he reacts to that. Given that he seems to be able to score pretty easily, he may believe he is better than the playing time he is getting. He was willing to play the four to help out the team, but I doubt he really wants to play the four. In that case Henry leaving may not be much of a help. I am hoping for no transfers at mid-season or at the end of the year. I could see JJJ transferring at year end, but I would bet on JJJ being here as a senior. Obviously, if Henry leaves there are a lot more minutes to allocate to the other players.

I agree, and Wojo using him at the 4 does limit him displaying his offensive talents.  Hope he hangs around I thinks he will become a big contributor.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: bilsu on December 15, 2015, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: brandx on December 15, 2015, 02:17:43 PM
Based on what?
He has averaged 7.2 minutes in 6 games and scored 2.2 points on 6-9 shooting including 1-2 from three. Over 40 minutes that would be over 12 points a game. So I do think he scores pretty easily. Anim is a very good offensive player, but he needs to make better decisions and play better defense.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Jay Bee on December 15, 2015, 06:43:25 PM
re: Elijah.. without getting into details, the thought of some for YEARS has been, "man, he is so talented.. but not sure he'll ever reach his potential..." Not surprised to see a mid-season transfer from him. But, he is good.

The father of a Scoop Legend (Austin Grandstaff) was Elijah's travel coach and is helping him with choosing a new school.. Grandstaff is at tOSU, teammate Matt McQuaid is at MSU... with regard to the Buckeyes, though.. I think of Giddens being a frosh this year, big Funderburke coming in.. would it make a lot of sense?

IIRC, mom was always pretty into games... could see him trying to stay fairly close.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: CoachRaymondsClass on December 15, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on December 15, 2015, 02:23:58 PM
I think that you are soft pedaling the situation a bit.  It went beyond a Derrick/Dawson discussion to the point that I felt that he was basically vilifying a player throughout his senior year.  A player who may not have had all around point guard skills, but who without we surely wouldn't have reached even thirteen wins, and who was a leader and a great representative of the University.  I liked Ners too, I even sent him a PM of support when I thought he was getting jumped on unfairly, then he just seemed to go down a rabbit hole.

Funny how someone on Dodds' board caught Ners right away, but baited him without using his new screen name for Dodds... And Ners bit immediately. Came back right away and said
"I am not Ners" and was caught.  Now people still tease him there and call him Ners which he continues to deny while still playing all his old themes. Maybe Ners is likeable if you know him, but he has some sicko agendas. Now he is on his mid-season transfer thing.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 03:49:33 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 15, 2015, 06:54:40 AM
Did John Dawson's brother tell him? Ners has been banging the JJ is going to transfer drum for three years now. I didn't believe it then and don't now.

If JJ leaves now, he gets three months to play somewhere next year. If he waits until the end of the year it would make more sense because at least he'd get a full year to play. Maybe JJ leaves and Anim has to grow up fast. Who knows, could happen, but I'm not going to speculate or worry about it.

No I actually havent spoken to Ners in quite some time. Good news John will be playing his first game tomorrow for Liberty vs Princeton. He has grown and worked on his game alot and will be a starter for them. He also has an additional 2 years of eligibility after this season. Sitting out for a whole year is brutual. So I'd hope anyone who is thinking about it thinks long and hard.

Deonte will be playing for Iowa State this weekend too.

My family is forever greatful for the Marquette experience but sometimes things just dont work out.

Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Litehouse on December 16, 2015, 03:55:06 PM
Nevada, thanks for the update on John.  I'll be pulling for him at Liberty an hope he has a great career there.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Litehouse on December 16, 2015, 03:55:06 PM
Nevada, thanks for the update on John.  I'll be pulling for him at Liberty an hope he has a great career there.

No problem. We are also happy to see you guys winning (especially against wisconsin). The Big East is looking good again.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Jables1604 on December 16, 2015, 04:07:48 PM
Please be sure to pass on to your brother that we all send him our best wishes.  He handled the transer situation in a first class manner.

Go Liberty!!!
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: willie warrior on December 16, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 03:49:33 PM
No I actually havent spoken to Ners in quite some time. Good news John will be playing his first game tomorrow for Liberty vs Princeton. He has grown and worked on his game alot and will be a starter for them. He also has an additional 2 years of eligibility after this season. Sitting out for a whole year is brutual. So I'd hope anyone who is thinking about it thinks long and hard.

Deonte will be playing for Iowa State this weekend too.

My family is forever greatful for the Marquette experience but sometimes things just dont work out.
Hope your brother does well at Liberty and finds what he has been looking for.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: Jables1604 on December 16, 2015, 04:07:48 PM
Please be sure to pass on to your brother that we all send him our best wishes.  He handled the transer situation in a first class manner.

Go Liberty!!!

I certainly will. His transfer was a decision he made solely with no pressure from any of us and he never talked bad about Marquette. He drew intrest from Texas Tech, Colorado, Wyoming, Hawaii and others he chose Liberty. Buzz actually helped make it happen. I'll be at his game tomorrow were excited.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 04:21:43 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on December 16, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
Hope your brother does well at Liberty and finds what he has been looking for.

Thanks... Hes excited and ready for his increased workload and PT at Liberty.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: brewcity77 on December 16, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 03:49:33 PM
No I actually havent spoken to Ners in quite some time. Good news John will be playing his first game tomorrow for Liberty vs Princeton. He has grown and worked on his game alot and will be a starter for them. He also has an additional 2 years of eligibility after this season. Sitting out for a whole year is brutual. So I'd hope anyone who is thinking about it thinks long and hard.

Deonte will be playing for Iowa State this weekend too.

My family is forever greatful for the Marquette experience but sometimes things just dont work out.

Best of luck to John, truly. Hope Liberty works out well for him. How have things been adjusting to a new coaching staff?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: BM1090 on December 16, 2015, 04:58:07 PM
Wish nothing but the best to John Dawson. Classy kid, hope he excels at Liberty.

I'll definitely be monitoring his progress. He's got a bunch of fans in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 05:17:15 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 16, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Best of luck to John, truly. Hope Liberty works out well for him. How have things been adjusting to a new coaching staff?

Well it was a double adjustment because Coach Layer who recruited him got fired a month after John got there. So automatically the nervousness of a new coach coming in who didnt recruit him started (because the same thing just happened when buzz left) but they assured him that he was going to be part of whoever they brought ins gameplan. So they brought in former LU coach Ritchie McKay who cleaned house and got 5 players who were not meeting expectations off the team and Johns been the leader ever since. They still have alot of work to do but he's gonna play and alot.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 16, 2015, 05:22:40 PM
Nevada, does he have the rest of this year and next year only?  He doesn't have a third year beyond that right?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 16, 2015, 05:22:40 PM
Nevada, does he have the rest of this year and next year only?  He doesn't have a third year beyond that right?

He will be playing this season.. Well the 20 games left... Then he has the 2015-2016 season and the 2016-2017 season he can play. So he can play 2 and a half seasons in a liberty uniform. Playing 4 minutes last season at MU was not and should not have been enough to have him lose a whole season of eligibility.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 16, 2015, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
He will be playing this season.. Well the 20 games left... Then he has the 2015-2016 season and the 2016-2017 season he can play. So he can play 2 and a half seasons in a liberty uniform. Playing 4 minutes last season at MU was not and should not have been enough to have him lose a whole season of eligibility.

Great news.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 17, 2015, 12:55:40 AM
Quote from: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
He will be playing this season.. Well the 20 games left... Then he has the 2015-2016 season and the 2016-2017 season he can play. So he can play 2 and a half seasons in a liberty uniform. Playing 4 minutes last season at MU was not and should not have been enough to have him lose a whole season of eligibility.

Best wishes to your brother!
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: jsglow on December 17, 2015, 06:54:24 AM
Quote from: Nevada233 on December 16, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
He will be playing this season.. Well the 20 games left... Then he has the 2015-2016 season and the 2016-2017 season he can play. So he can play 2 and a half seasons in a liberty uniform. Playing 4 minutes last season at MU was not and should not have been enough to have him lose a whole season of eligibility.

That's great news.  Did he have to petition the NCAA in some way?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: brewcity77 on December 17, 2015, 09:17:04 AM
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2015, 06:54:24 AM
That's great news.  Did he have to petition the NCAA in some way?

If I remember right from the Otule situation, you can't petition until the year you are asking for the season. So John will finish 2015-16, play 2016-17, and then can apply for 2017-18.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2015, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: MUMountin on December 14, 2015, 09:47:01 PM
Just saw that Elijah Thomas, a Top 50 recruit out of Texas A&M (TAMU Eagle, any insight?), announced he'll be transferring.  Is he the type to focus on for a midseason transfer?

I like Eli a lot. He's a good kid and a brainiac. Came to tamu with close to a 4.0 high school gpa. Would be a solid pickup for us. Id expect him to end up at a more urban school. Unfortunately, I think he stays in the south. Have heard that Baylor, SMU, and TCU are already sniffing around.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: We R Final Four on December 17, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
Is MU considered a rural school now?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Jay Bee on December 17, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
Oh boy. Austin GRANDSTAFF now transferring from tOSU.. Wes working with Elijah and son Austin now.. both wind up near home?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 17, 2015, 11:27:07 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 17, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
Oh boy. Austin GRANDSTAFF now transferring from tOSU.. Wes working with Elijah and son Austin now.. both wind up near home?

Would Grandstaff be a good fit here or would he replicate a lot of what we already have?  (6'5" guard)
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 17, 2015, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 17, 2015, 11:27:07 AM
Would Grandstaff be a good fit here

I think Grandstaff would fit in well but it could be tight in the end. One never really knows
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 17, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2015, 11:49:59 AM
I think Grandstaff would fit in well but it could be tight in the end. One never really knows

Heard things were getting hard for him at tOSU
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MUEng92 on December 17, 2015, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2015, 09:24:14 AM
I like Eli a lot. He's a good kid and a brainiac. Came to tamu with close to a 4.0 high school gpa. Would be a solid pickup for us. Id expect him to end up at a more urban school. Unfortunately, I think he stays in the south. Have heard that Baylor, SMU, and TCU are already sniffing around.
Has anyone told him that we've had our warmest Milwaukee December in years?  Eh, Eh, Eh???
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 17, 2015, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2015, 06:54:24 AM
That's great news.  Did he have to petition the NCAA in some way?

Well it was a lot of paperwork and phone calls that had to be done. I honestly didn't get too involved with the process because I was deployed to Afghanistan when he Transferred so living in a war zone was more important lol. But I know when it was all said and done he got this season and 2 more so he's considered a Redshirt Sophomore now. He will play Junior and Senior Season, he's actually playing in about 5 hours. I'll be there!
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
Grandstaff's likely to transfer to USC and be a Trojan, ai na?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: jsglow on December 17, 2015, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on December 17, 2015, 12:55:08 PM
Well it was a lot of paperwork and phone calls that had to be done. I honestly didn't get too involved with the process because I was deployed to Afghanistan when he Transferred so living in a war zone was more important lol. But I know when it was all said and done he got this season and 2 more so he's considered a Redshirt Sophomore now. He will play Junior and Senior Season, he's actually playing in about 5 hours. I'll be there!

Awesome.  Kick some butt.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: forgetful on December 17, 2015, 01:30:07 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2015, 09:24:14 AM
I like Eli a lot. He's a good kid and a brainiac. Came to tamu with close to a 4.0 high school gpa. Would be a solid pickup for us. Id expect him to end up at a more urban school. Unfortunately, I think he stays in the south. Have heard that Baylor, SMU, and TCU are already sniffing around.

SMU would be tough.  They have 11 committed for next year and need to cut 7 scholarships (sanctions) over the next three years. 

Taking Eli, would mean they need to cut 3 scholarships each of the following two years.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 17, 2015, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2015, 09:17:04 AM
If I remember right from the Otule situation, you can't petition until the year you are asking for the season. So John will finish 2015-16, play 2016-17, and then can apply for 2017-18.


That was a medical redshirt situation.  Different than Dawson's.  And it looks like it got done.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2015, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
Grandstaff's likely to transfer to USC and be a Trojan, ai na?

I think he'd fit in better with the cocks at the other usc
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2015, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2015, 01:30:07 PM
SMU would be tough.  They have 11 committed for next year and need to cut 7 scholarships (sanctions) over the next three years. 

Taking Eli, would mean they need to cut 3 scholarships each of the following two years.

Never underestimate the squirm of larry Brown
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2015, 03:22:48 PM
Wait. All this time Nevada was Dawson's bro? How did I miss that lol.


And people still think JJJ is gonna transfer? Unreal. And what's this body language garbage?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Jables1604 on December 17, 2015, 03:41:20 PM
Nevada, thank you for your service. And although I've never mentioned it, thanks to Keefe and any other member of the armed services on Scoop for all that you do.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2015, 04:27:46 PM
Anim ain't going anywhere. He just did interviews for inside Marquette basketball today.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2015, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2015, 04:27:46 PM
Anim ain't going anywhere. He just did interviews for inside Marquette basketball today.

Yep. It's JJ or nobody in my opinion, and I'd lean towards the latter.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 17, 2015, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 17, 2015, 11:49:59 AM
I think Grandstaff would fit in well but it could be tight in the end. One never really knows

Your analysis is so tight it fits him like latex.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MuMark on December 17, 2015, 08:23:38 PM
https://twitter.com/jorcubsdan/status/677641944487604226
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 17, 2015, 08:47:12 PM
His father is pretty blunt and honest below.

Oh, and he just had a kid too ... sounds like he's really good with the Grandstaff.



http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/12/freshman_guard_austin_grandsta.html

Freshman guard Austin Grandstaff will transfer from Ohio State basketball program

Ohio State freshman guard Austin Grandstaff will transfer from the Buckeyes basketball program. Wes Grandstaff, Austin's father, confirmed the news to cleveland.com on Thursday.

Grandstaff's transfer was first reported by CBS Sports reporter Jon Rothstein. Ohio State later confirmed Grandstaff's transfer in a news release. There was no comment from Thad Matta.

"He loved Ohio State, he loved his teammates, but it's been kind of a roller coaster with him and minutes," Wes Grandstaff said. "Some games it's 17, 18 minutes. Against UConn, he gets beat on the baseline and gets taken out."

Grandstaff played in all 10 games this season. He played a season-high 18 minutes in a win over Grambling State in the second game of the season. He scored a season-high nine points in a loss to Louisiana Tech on Nov. 24.

He played nine minutes in Saturday's loss to UConn, finishing with six points on 2-for-5 shooting. He played four minutes in a win over Northern Illinois on Wednesday night.

"He's a scorer. He's a shooter. It's hard to play like that when you never know if you miss what's going to happen. It's a tough thing," Wes Grandstaff said. "We just didn't see next year getting any better. When you have guys playing 30-something minutes, there's not a lot of minutes to go around."

Grandstaff was averaging 4.4 points and shooting 33 percent from 3-point range. Wes said they felt Austin was buried behind Marc Loving, JaQuan Lyle and Keita Bates-Diop. With none of those players being seniors, it didn't seem like Grandstaff's lack of minutes was going to change.

"We'll be smarter in our decision," Wes Grandstaff said. "I didn't watch Ohio State play enough before we committed. If I knew that Loving and Bates-Diop were gonna be the two and three, we probably wouldn't have went there. Do I think Austin can score the ball like they can? Absolutely. But they do a lot of things like blocking shots and rebounding that Austin doesn't do."

He signed as part of Ohio State's 2015 recruiting class, along with good friend and fellow Texas native Mickey Mitchell. Mitchell has not yet been cleared to play by the NCAA, but that had nothing to do with Grandstaff's decision to transfer.

Grandstaff was a four-star prospect from Rockwall, Texas, billed as a sharpshooter. Both he and Matta agreed that the defensive side of things was going to be an adjustment this season, which contributed to Grandstaff's lack of minutes.

Wes Grandstaff, who spoke on the phone from Dallas, said Austin was still in Columbus, and they'd be looking to get him home this weekend. The Grandstaffs had purchased 15 tickets for Ohio State's game against Kentucky in New York on Saturday.

Distance from home, and the fact that Austin had a son born just before the season began also played into the decision, Wes said. He added that does not mean Austin will limit himself to a school in Texas if a good opportunity presents itself somewhere else.

Grandstaff was originally committed to Oklahoma State before signing with Ohio State. He also had offers from Arizona, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Alabama and others.

"(Ohio State) taught him a lot on and off the court," Wes Grandstaff said. "They demanded that he play defense, and he became a much better player. I really believe Coach Matta and his staff made him a lot better of a player than he was when he got there. But guys want to play."
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 17, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
Last updated three hours ago ...

Anyone interest you?

Didn't Goodluck Okonoboh gives us a close look?  He's below (leaving UNLV)

Midseason transfer list


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14390188/midseason-transfer-list

The midseason transfer list is here. We've already got 45 names, and it's certain to grow over the next couple weeks. Texas A&M coach Billy Kennedy has already said goodbye to two players including one who was a key part of his stellar recruiting class.

Austin Ajukwa, SF, Jr., Clemson
Carlton Allen Jr., C, Jr., Manhattan
Aarias Austin, SG, Jr., Northern Iowa
Ivan Benkovic, SF, RS Jr., Charlotte
Cory Calvert, SG, Soph., BYU
Ladarius Coleman, F, Soph., SE Missouri State
David Collette, PF, Soph., Utah State
Chris Crawford, PG, Fr., Oral Roberts
Riley Dearring, SG, RS Soph., Wisconsin
Khadim Dieng, C, Soph., Western Michigan
Nick Dixon, 6-2, SG, RS Jr., Texas Rio-Grande Valley
Mike Donaldson, SF, Jr., South Carolina State
Damian Goodwin, F, RS Jr., USC Upstate
Austin Grandstaff, SG, Fr., Ohio State
Malik Gray, G, Soph., Norfolk State
P.J. Hardwick, PG, Arkansas State (will graduate)
DeAndre Harris, SG, Jr., North Texas (will graduate)
Brandon Hatton, PG, Soph., Vermont -- KENTUCKY WESLEYAN
Tony Hicks, SG, Sr., Penn (will graduate)
Gemil Holbrook, SG, Fr., Rider - PHILLY UNIVERSITY
Demetrius Houston, F, Soph., Mississippi State
Lindsey Hunter IV, PG, Fr., Jackson State (walk-on)
Taishaun Johnson, G, Soph., South Alabama
Theo Johnson, F, Jr., Liberty
Josh Jones, SG, Jr., Richmond
J.T. Jones, SG, SE Missouri State (walk-on)
Justin Jordan, PG, Soph., Milwaukee
Isaiah Manderson, C, Soph., Texas Tech
Jabari McGhee, SF, RS Fr., Tennessee -- WESTERN KENTUCKY
Larry McKnight Jr., SG, Fr., Wofford -- PALM BEACH STATE CC
Trey Miller, F, Fr., North Dakota State
Raquan Mitchell, PG, Fr., Memphis
Ambrose Mosley, G, Jr., Old Dominion
Goodluck Okonoboh, PF/C, Soph., UNLV
Ifeanyi Onyekaba, PF, Sr., Rhode Island
Nate Pollard, C, Soph., Rice
Kevin Portillo, SF, Jr., Mississippi Valley State
Alex Robinson, PG, Soph., Texas A&M
Tevon Saddler, PG, Jr., UNC-Greensboro
Payton Stephens, G, Fr., Stephen F. Austin (walk-on)
Leo Svete, SG, Soph., IUPUI
Elijah Thomas, C, Fr., Texas A&M
Marcus Wallace, PG, Soph., SE Missouri State
Brandon Williams, C, Jr., UT Arlington
Cameron Williams, PG, Jr., Eastern Kentucky
Ellis Williams, PF/C, Jr., Bryant
Ryan Woolridge, PG, Fr., San Diego
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Anti-Dentite on December 17, 2015, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 17, 2015, 08:47:12 PM
His father is pretty blunt and honest below.

Oh, and he just had a kid too ... sounds like he's really good with the Grandstaff.



http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/12/freshman_guard_austin_grandsta.html

Freshman guard Austin Grandstaff will transfer from Ohio State basketball program

Ohio State freshman guard Austin Grandstaff will transfer from the Buckeyes basketball program. Wes Grandstaff, Austin's father, confirmed the news to cleveland.com on Thursday.

Grandstaff's transfer was first reported by CBS Sports reporter Jon Rothstein. Ohio State later confirmed Grandstaff's transfer in a news release. There was no comment from Thad Matta.

"He loved Ohio State, he loved his teammates, but it's been kind of a roller coaster with him and minutes," Wes Grandstaff said. "Some games it's 17, 18 minutes. Against UConn, he gets beat on the baseline and gets taken out."

Grandstaff played in all 10 games this season. He played a season-high 18 minutes in a win over Grambling State in the second game of the season. He scored a season-high nine points in a loss to Louisiana Tech on Nov. 24.

He played nine minutes in Saturday's loss to UConn, finishing with six points on 2-for-5 shooting. He played four minutes in a win over Northern Illinois on Wednesday night.

"He's a scorer. He's a shooter. It's hard to play like that when you never know if you miss what's going to happen. It's a tough thing," Wes Grandstaff said. "We just didn't see next year getting any better. When you have guys playing 30-something minutes, there's not a lot of minutes to go around."

Grandstaff was averaging 4.4 points and shooting 33 percent from 3-point range. Wes said they felt Austin was buried behind Marc Loving, JaQuan Lyle and Keita Bates-Diop. With none of those players being seniors, it didn't seem like Grandstaff's lack of minutes was going to change.

"We'll be smarter in our decision," Wes Grandstaff said. "I didn't watch Ohio State play enough before we committed. If I knew that Loving and Bates-Diop were gonna be the two and three, we probably wouldn't have went there. Do I think Austin can score the ball like they can? Absolutely. But they do a lot of things like blocking shots and rebounding that Austin doesn't do."

He signed as part of Ohio State's 2015 recruiting class, along with good friend and fellow Texas native Mickey Mitchell. Mitchell has not yet been cleared to play by the NCAA, but that had nothing to do with Grandstaff's decision to transfer.

Grandstaff was a four-star prospect from Rockwall, Texas, billed as a sharpshooter. Both he and Matta agreed that the defensive side of things was going to be an adjustment this season, which contributed to Grandstaff's lack of minutes.

Wes Grandstaff, who spoke on the phone from Dallas, said Austin was still in Columbus, and they'd be looking to get him home this weekend. The Grandstaffs had purchased 15 tickets for Ohio State's game against Kentucky in New York on Saturday.

Distance from home, and the fact that Austin had a son born just before the season began also played into the decision, Wes said. He added that does not mean Austin will limit himself to a school in Texas if a good opportunity presents itself somewhere else.

Grandstaff was originally committed to Oklahoma State before signing with Ohio State. He also had offers from Arizona, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Alabama and others.

"(Ohio State) taught him a lot on and off the court," Wes Grandstaff said. "They demanded that he play defense, and he became a much better player. I really believe Coach Matta and his staff made him a lot better of a player than he was when he got there. But guys want to play."
Refreshing honesty.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: CountryRoads on December 17, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on December 17, 2015, 08:58:12 PM
Refreshing honesty.

What exactly was he expecting coming in to a high major program ? Not someone I want MU to pursue.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Anti-Dentite on December 17, 2015, 09:08:10 PM
Do I think Austin can score the ball like they can? Absolutely. But they do a lot of things like blocking shots and rebounding that Austin doesn't do."
He pretty much admits they over reached.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Nevada233 on December 17, 2015, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2015, 01:25:18 PM
Awesome.  Kick some butt.

John scored 15 and had 5 assists tonite... Liberty lost by 5 to Princeton... Good to see him back on the court.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 18, 2015, 12:02:05 AM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
Grandstaff's likely to transfer to USC and be a Trojan, ai na?

I don't think so, Doc. I heard that when Grandstaff plays pick up games he is always skins and never shirts.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2015, 12:39:40 AM
Quote from: keefe on December 18, 2015, 12:02:05 AM
I don't think so, Doc. I heard that when Grandstaff plays pick up games he is always skins and never shirts.

Sounds like he is a natural fit.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 18, 2015, 01:24:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 18, 2015, 12:39:40 AM
Sounds like he is a natural fit.

Assuming nobody rubs him the wrong way.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 18, 2015, 07:06:55 AM
Reading that list a guy went from UVM (Vermont) to Kentucky Wesleyan?  Pretty diverse differences there?
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: NickelDimer on December 18, 2015, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: AirPunch on December 17, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
What exactly was he expecting coming in to a high major program ? Not someone I want MU to pursue.
Exactly...may be honest but hardly refreshing. Entitled is the word that comes to mind.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 18, 2015, 08:24:23 AM
Leo Svete of UIPUI, it was great hearing the BC announcer call out Svete last month
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 18, 2015, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 17, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
Last updated three hours ago ...

Anyone interest you?

Didn't Goodluck Okonoboh gives us a close look?  He's below (leaving UNLV)


Yeah, he did.  Another interesting name.  We could really use another post for 17-18 season. I am sure Heldt will be much better by then, but he's all we got.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 18, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
Quote from: NickelDimer on December 18, 2015, 08:14:19 AM
Exactly...may be honest but hardly refreshing. Entitled is the word that comes to mind.

I thought the same. Dad admits he didn't know what he was getting into with the Ohio State commitment and then admits that Matta and staff made his son a better player but, in essence, that's not enough. They really just want the 30 mintues/game regardless of scenery.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: warriorchick on December 18, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
There's not much left of your athlete stipend after you fork over the child support.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: MU82 on December 18, 2015, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 18, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
I thought the same. Dad admits he didn't know what he was getting into with the Ohio State commitment and then admits that Matta and staff made his son a better player but, in essence, that's not enough. They really just want the 30 mintues/game regardless of scenery.

A prima donna with a helicopter dad who wants guaranteed minutes despite being a lousy defensive player.

If ever a guy screamed AVOID! AVOID! AVOID! it's this one.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 18, 2015, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 18, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
I thought the same. Dad admits he didn't know what he was getting into with the Ohio State commitment and then admits that Matta and staff made his son a better player but, in essence, that's not enough. They really just want the 30 mintues/game regardless of scenery.

Might be a great kid and dad...but when I read that, I kept thinking "That sounds like Tim Maymon."
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 18, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 18, 2015, 01:24:51 AM
Assuming nobody rubs him the wrong way.
Given the right situation and gentle handling, he could explode.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Oldgym on December 18, 2015, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 18, 2015, 12:23:01 PM
Might be a great kid and dad...but when I read that, I kept thinking "That sounds like Tim Maymon."

+1
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 18, 2015, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 18, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Given the right situation and gentle handling, he could explode.

Sounds like Grandstaff was finally able to come to a decision
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: GGGG on December 18, 2015, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 18, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Given the right situation and gentle handling, he could explode.


The problem is that he may have peaked early.  Ultimately that will leave a lot of people unsatisfied. 
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 18, 2015, 02:12:23 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 18, 2015, 02:02:00 PM

The problem is that he may have peaked early.  Ultimately that will leave a lot of people unsatisfied.

Are you saying that he was hasty and premature in all of this? How selfish.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 18, 2015, 02:17:07 PM
Good long range shooter if paired with skilled ball handler.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: moomoo on December 18, 2015, 02:44:51 PM
His dad's just a working stiff.

The kid is not a soft defender at all. It's actually hard for him to refrain from wacking at his opponents, so he rarely gets beaten off   the dribble.

But he still rubs people the wrong way.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: keefe on December 18, 2015, 02:47:05 PM
His real skill is working it into the lane
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 18, 2015, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 18, 2015, 02:17:07 PM
Good long range shooter if paired with skilled ball handler.

Very nice, it almost snuck past me.
Title: Re: Midseason Transfers
Post by: willie warrior on December 18, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 18, 2015, 02:12:23 PM
Are you saying that he was hasty and premature in all of this? How selfish.
The guys major upside is driving deep to the hole, pulling back and then finishing with astonishing authority.
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