At the game yesterday, the stat came up on the Jumbotron that we have played the University of Maine 4 times in Marquette history. I was surprised that we would have played a historically mediocre, far-away team that many times.
That got me thinking: Which current D-1 teams have we managed to avoid playing in our 99-year history? My guess is that there are fewer than 25, mostly teams that are relatively new to D-1.
Is there a complete list of every game played readily available? If so, I would be glad to assemble the list of the teams we have never faced.
Here:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf)
I haven't updated it this year, but I was maintaining this site
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball:all-time_series_records
There's actually a lot of teams
Albany
Binghamton
UMass -Lowell
Stony Brook
SMU
George Mason
St Joes
Maryland
Kennesaw State
Libscomb
N. Kentucky
South Carolina Upstate
Oklahoma
Montana
N. Arizona
Portland St
Southern Utah
Weber State
Campbell
Gardner Webb
High Point
Liberty
Radford
UNC Asheville
VMI
Almost all of the Big West
Delaware
Drexel
Hoftra
James Madison
Towson
William & Mary
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Middle Tennessee
Wright St
Youngstown St
Harvard
Penn
Fairfield
Marist
Quinnipac
Rider
Siena
Akron
Buffalo
Howard
South Carolina State
Colorado St
Wyoming
Bryant
Central Conn St
Robert Morris
St Francis (PA)
Wagner
Jacksonville St
Morehead St
SE Misouri St
SIU Edwardsville
Tennessee St
California
Boston
Lafayette
Loyola (MD)
Chattanooga
UNC-Greensboro
The Citadel
Georgia Southern
Central Arkansas
Incarnate Word
Lamar
SF Austin
Alabama A&M
Alabama St
Alcorn St
Arkansas St
Georgia St
Louisiana Monroe
Texas State
UT-Arlington
Troy
Pepperdine
San Diego
Grand Canyon
Idaho
Seattle
UMKC
Kinda surprised to see so many hoops programs with long (and good) histories, like St. Joe's, Maryland and Oklahoma on the list.
Thanks!
It would be kind of a cool goal for the Athletic Department to pick a few of these off every year.
There are a number of these that are reasonably close.
Damn spartan, damn.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 06, 2015, 10:43:48 AM
Thanks!
It would be kind of a cool goal for the Athletic Department to pick a few of these off every year.
There are a number of these that are reasonably close.
We actually did knock off a couple this year. First time we've ever played Belmont and Jackson State.
Quote from: spartan3186 on December 06, 2015, 11:57:54 AM
We actually did knock off a couple this year. First time we've ever played Belmont and Jackson State.
I'd like to see if we could schedule a couple of the small Jesuit schools over time as buy games. I wonder if Seattle U. would make the trip?
Quote from: LloydsLegs on December 06, 2015, 09:50:38 AM
Here:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf)
They list a player named Lee Oliver as having worn the uniform "number" 0. I don't remember that guy.
Also, the fact that Jim Chones hasn't been honored with a retired number is an outrage. He is certainly one of the 5 greatest to ever lace up a pair of Chuck Taylors for the Warriors.
Quote from: jsglow on December 06, 2015, 12:23:07 PM
I'd like to see if we could schedule a couple of the small Jesuit schools over time as buy games. I wonder if Seattle U. would make the trip?
We should give Jodi O'Brien a call to set that up.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 06, 2015, 10:43:48 AM
Thanks!
It would be kind of a cool goal for the Athletic Department to pick a few of these off every year.
There are a number of these that are reasonably close.
We got one last season, Alabama A&M. I would like to see this list shrink as well
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 06, 2015, 01:36:38 PM
We got one last season, Alabama A&M. I would like to see this list shrink as well
I'd actually like to see the list change where we play some powers and\or big schools that we haven't played in ages.
UCLA, we haven't played in 51 years....only played them twice
Cal, never played them
Texas, almost 40 years...only played them once.
Indiana, one time in the last 30 years...in Alaska of all places
Purdue.....45 years
Bradley....30 years (not a power or big school, but surprised it has been this long)
Illinois....20+ years
Michigan State.....one time in the last 50 years and that was a NCAA tournament game
Michigan....one time in last 25 years....neutral site game
Kansas....one time in last 20 years and that was a NCAA tournament game
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 06, 2015, 03:38:43 PM
I'd actually like to see the list change where we play some powers and\or big schools that we haven't played in ages.
Ohio State....20 years
Assume you meant someone other than OSU. We just finished a home and home with them
Quote from: LloydsLegs on December 06, 2015, 09:50:38 AM
Here:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/recordbook_1011.pdf)
More current one
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/recordbook_2015v2.pdf
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 06, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Assume you meant someone other than OSU. We just finished a home and home with them
That was just me screwing up. Thanks for the catch. I think I blocked out both losses so much I pretended we didn't play them.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 06, 2015, 03:38:43 PM
Michigan State.....one time in the last 50 years and that was a NCAA tournament game
Twice. We played them in the Orlando classic last season
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 06, 2015, 03:38:43 PM
I'd actually like to see the list change where we play some powers and\or big schools that we haven't played in ages.
UCLA, we haven't played in 51 years....only played them twice
Cal, never played them
Texas, almost 40 years...only played them once.
Indiana, one time in the last 30 years...in Alaska of all places
Purdue.....45 years
Bradley....30 years (not a power or big school, but surprised it has been this long)
Illinois....20+ years
Michigan State.....one time in the last 50 years and that was a NCAA tournament game
Michigan....one time in last 25 years....neutral site game
Kansas....one time in last 20 years and that was a NCAA tournament game
Playing Illinois in Chicago would be up at the top of my wish list.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 06, 2015, 03:38:43 PM
Michigan....one time in last 25 years....neutral site game
The game in 1990 was at Crisler Arena (I was there).
Quote from: ChuckyChip on December 06, 2015, 04:37:12 PM
The game in 1990 was at Crisler Arena (I was there).
I think he was referring to the 2009 game in the Old Spice Classic. The 1990 game is why he added the qualifier of in the last 25 years
Quote from: keefe on December 06, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
They list a player named Lee Oliver as having worn the uniform "number" 0. I don't remember that guy.
Also, the fact that Jim Chones hasn't been honored with a retired number is an outrage. He is certainly one of the 5 greatest to ever lace up a pair of Chuck Taylors for the Warriors.
O Lee was from Florida. Played in the late 70's. Highly recruited but I always felt he just fell short of expectations.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 06, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
That was just me screwing up. Thanks for the catch. I think I blocked out both losses so much I pretended we didn't play them.
Sorry, Chicos--my post was stale info-glad you found the updated data
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 06, 2015, 04:51:50 PM
O Lee was from Florida. Played in the late 70's. Highly recruited but I always felt he just fell short of expectations.
I remember O Lee from Deland, FL. He is Doc Gooden's nephew. What I was pointing out is that Marquette has him listed as Lee Oliver. That is damned inexcusable. O Lee was one of the highest ranked prepsters when he signed with MU.
He and Sam Worthen were herbsmen of no small repute.
Quote from: keefe on December 06, 2015, 08:05:15 PM
I remember O Lee from Deland, FL. He is Doc Gooden's nephew. What I was pointing out is that Marquette has him listed as Lee Oliver. That is damned inexcusable. O Lee was one of the highest ranked prepsters when he signed with MU.
He and Sam Worthen were herbsmen of no small repute.
Both were there when I was at MU, and yes they, along with Artie Green, REALLY enjoyed the ganja.
Lee was extremely talented and pretty much ruined his career before he ever let it really get started.
We have played them, but I find it amazing we have not played UCLA in the last 50 years.
Quote from: LAZER on December 06, 2015, 04:19:34 PM
Playing Illinois in Chicago would be up at the top of my wish list.
I think we will play Bradley sooner rather than later now that Brian Wardle is their coach.
Quote from: Badgerhater on December 07, 2015, 09:32:40 AM
I think we will play Bradley sooner rather than later now that Brian Wardle is their coach.
I'm not so sure about that. Unlikely Bradley would go for a straight buy game (the MVC frowns on those) and MU isn't looking for two or three for one deals right now. Further, if we did schedule a three or four game series with them and ended up losing 2/3 or 2/4, it'd start the "should we have hired Wardle" discussion, which no one wants. My guess is the odds of us playing Bradley actually went down when Wardle was hired there, not up.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 07, 2015, 09:49:16 AM
Further, if we did schedule a three or four game series with them and ended up losing 2/3 or 2/4, it'd start the "should we have hired Wardle" discussion, which no one wants.
Is this really something that would happen? Four years from now? If that conversation is happening then it is not likely because we played and lost to Bradley -- its because the team still stinks despite Wojo being around for 6 years.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 07, 2015, 09:54:12 AM
Is this really something that would happen? Four years from now? If that conversation is happening then it is not likely because we played and lost to Bradley -- its because the team still stinks despite Wojo being around for 6 years.
It'd be on multiple levels, I'm sure. You're right, it would likely indicate we didn't improve enough under Wojo, but it would also likely indicate Wardle did a great job. If he wins at Bradley, he'll be a high-major candidate. But regardless, MU only wants to give up a road game if they get a high-major game in return. The Missouri Valley doesn't like their teams to play straight buy games, so I would be very surprised if this happened.
That said, if we did play Bradley and Wardle took 2/3 over the next 4 years, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Wojo was on the hot seat (can't imagine we'd have a great program were that the case) and Wardle was the top name to replace him.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 06, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Assume you meant someone other than OSU. We just finished a home and home with them
He said OSU, not "
t" OSU.
We're 1-4 against North Carolina. Gee, what was that one win again?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 06, 2015, 10:16:37 AM
Kinda surprised to see so many hoops programs with long (and good) histories, like St. Joe's, Maryland and Oklahoma on the list.
For me, Saint Joseph's, Fairfield and Seattle (to a lesser degree as they have been in and out of D1 over the years) are a bit of a surpise. You would have thought with only around 20 Jesuit schools playing D1, we would have gotten around to playing all of them by now. I know a lot of Fairfield alum (including two siblings) and go to their games a handful of times each season. They were good when Cooley was coaching them but no so much in the 10+ years before or since. They'd be a better game than many of our cupcakes and I would think they would be amenable to being a buy game.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 07, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
For me, Saint Joseph's, Fairfield and Seattle (to a lesser degree as they have been in and out of D1 over the years) are a bit of a surpise. You would have thought with only around 20 Jesuit schools playing D1, we would have gotten around to playing all of them by now. I know a lot of Fairfield alum (including two siblings) and go to their games a handful of times each season. They were good when Cooley was coaching them but no so much in the 10+ years before or since. They'd be a better game than many of our cupcakes and I would think they would be amenable to being a buy game.
Of course, for geographically selfish reasons, we wouldn't mind an MU road game in Harbor Yard.
Quote from: keefe on December 06, 2015, 08:05:15 PM
I remember O Lee from Deland, FL. He is Doc Gooden's nephew. What I was pointing out is that Marquette has him listed as Lee Oliver. That is damned inexcusable. O Lee was one of the highest ranked prepsters when he signed with MU.
He and Sam Worthen were herbsmen of no small repute.
Was O lee the kid we "stashed" at St Johns Military Prep in Delafield with an MU alum paving the way with a questionable "guardianship"?
If not him was it a kid named Mills? I recall the controversy but not the kids name. Help an old man regain some lost memory. lol
Quote from: houwarrior on December 07, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
Was O lee the kid we "stashed" at St Johns Military Prep in Delafield with an MU alum paving the way with a questionable "guardianship"?
If not him was it a kid named Mills? I recall the controversy but not the kids name. Help an old man regain some lost memory. lol
Dwayne Johnson?
I was actually surprised we hadn't played some of the "buy" teams more than we have. I would have assumed that we played Savannah St every other year, so when I read that we hadn't played them since 2012 and only 4 times total, I was shocked. Same could be said for Coppin St. (not since 2007).
I apparently have a very poor memory for bad basketball teams.
Quote from: Marquette_g on December 07, 2015, 03:48:52 PM
I was actually surprised we hadn't played some of the "buy" teams more than we have. I would have assumed that we played Savannah St every other year, so when I read that we hadn't played them since 2012 and only 4 times total, I was shocked. Same could be said for Coppin St. (not since 2007).
I apparently have a very poor memory for bad basketball teams.
There was a stretch where it seemed like we played every 'state' that didn't actually correlate to a US state.
Quote from: houwarrior on December 07, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
Was O lee the kid we "stashed" at St Johns Military Prep in Delafield with an MU alum paving the way with a questionable "guardianship"?
If not him was it a kid named Mills? I recall the controversy but not the kids name. Help an old man regain some lost memory. lol
Not Oliver Lee, Silas Mills? Mills had eligibility problems and ended up at Utah as a prop 48 before getting dismissed by Majerus before his sophomore year. Don't know if he attended St. Johns (to gain eligibility?), though. Dwayne Johnson was dismissed from St john for failure to comply with the military atmosphere of the school during his junior year.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 07, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
For me, Saint Joseph's, Fairfield and Seattle (to a lesser degree as they have been in and out of D1 over the years) are a bit of a surpise. You would have thought with only around 20 Jesuit schools playing D1, we would have gotten around to playing all of them by now. I know a lot of Fairfield alum (including two siblings) and go to their games a handful of times each season. They were good when Cooley was coaching them but no so much in the 10+ years before or since. They'd be a better game than many of our cupcakes and I would think they would be amenable to being a buy game.
Loyola MD as well. And I believe you nailed it with 20 DI Jesuit schools out of 28 total. According to the wiki, we have a winning record against all that we've played except Gonzaga and Georgetown. Let's fix that, too.
Boston College (2-1)
Canisius (4-1)
Holy Cross (4-0)
Creighton (49-31)
Detroit Mercy (61-27)
Fairfield (0-0)
Fordham (11-1)
Georgetown (9-10)
Gonzaga (1-2)
Loyola Marymount (2-1)
Loyola Chicago (46-35)
Loyola Maryland (0-0)
Marquette
Saint Joseph's (0-0)
Saint Louis (31-23)
St. Peter's NJ (1-0)
Santa Clara (2-1)
Seattle (0-0)
San Francisco (3-1)
Xavier (46-20)
Quote from: houwarrior on December 07, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
Was O lee the kid we "stashed" at St Johns Military Prep in Delafield with an MU alum paving the way with a questionable "guardianship"?
If not him was it a kid named Mills? I recall the controversy but not the kids name. Help an old man regain some lost memory. lol
Dwayne Johnson definitely came out of St John's, and all reports had him a certain MU recruit. While there may have been questions raised at the time, during that time I was more concerned about girls and last call at the Lanche than any questions on recruiting.
There was another player at St, John's at the same time. I think he ended up at San Diego St. or some western school like that. I think both players were from New York and top 30 players.
I remember playing somebody nicknamed the Blue Hose a few years back. That was weak. Thought that the Maine Black Bears had a great name.
Quote from: jsglow on December 07, 2015, 08:12:12 PM
I remember playing somebody nicknamed the Blue Hose a few years back. That was weak. Thought that the Maine Black Bears had a great name.
Presbyterian. We play them again in a couple of weeks.
Quote from: jsglow on December 07, 2015, 08:12:12 PM
I remember playing somebody nicknamed the Blue Hose a few years back. That was weak. Thought that the Maine Black Bears had a great name.
Since you bring this up we really do need to ditch the Golden Eagle name. It is as bland as white bread and has no relevance whatsoever with Marquette.
Taking a cue from Maine we should honor the fauna of Wisconsin. I recall that Lake Michigan was known for coho, lamprey eels, and alewives. Both the lampreys and alewives became synonymous with Lake Michigan and either would make a great mascot. Like the Jesuits they were non-native to Wisconsin but arrived by water from the Atlantic. Both came to dominate their new home in ways both unexpected and terrifying.
glow, you stand in well with Marquette's power elite. Could you possibly advance these thoughts with Mike the next time you guys grab a combat beer together?
How many schools are added yearly to d-1? Seems like this list will get bigger before it gets smaller unless we have lots of random tournament success to play teams from other conferences more.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 07, 2015, 10:53:59 PM
How many schools are added yearly to d-1? Seems like this list will get bigger before it gets smaller unless we have lots of random tournament success to play teams from other conferences more.
There's no set number, but it usually doesn't change by more than a few teams annually. Here are the totals the past decade:
2015-16: 351
2014-15: 351
2013-14: 351
2012-13: 347
2011-12: 345
2010-11: 345
2009-10: 347
2008-09: 344
2007-08: 341
2006-07: 336
There was a big jump in the years from 2003-04 through 2009-10 when it went from 326 to 347 in the span of 7 years. But since then, only a small fluctuation (both down and up) in the past 7 years. To really narrow the list, though, it would probably take a concerted effort on Marquette's part, especially when it comes to cupcake scheduling. Not sure that the "we played everyone" merit badge is on the to-do list ;)
Quote from: bilsu on December 07, 2015, 07:14:33 PM
There was another player at St, John's at the same time. I think he ended up at San Diego St. or some western school like that. I think both players were from New York and top 30 players.
Thanks for the responsive posts, everyone. Of them...This is closest to my memory also. Seems it was odd how 1-2 NY kids had the parent(s) conceding to a guardianship by an MU alum, and the kid traveling to small St Johns Military, with tuition paid for, etc. It led to a rumor/perception we were stashing MU recruits at St Johns. This story is decades old ( I think during Majerus years)...but I have always found it intriguing.
Quote from: keefe on December 07, 2015, 10:45:51 PM
glow, you stand in well with Marquette's power elite. Could you possibly advance these thoughts with Mike the next time you guys grab a combat beer together?
LOL I am not sure where you got that impression.
Quote from: keefe on December 07, 2015, 10:45:51 PM
Since you bring this up we really do need to ditch the Golden Eagle name. It is as bland as white bread and has no relevance whatsoever with Marquette.
Taking a cue from Maine we should honor the fauna of Wisconsin. I recall that Lake Michigan was known for coho, lamprey eels, and alewives. Both the lampreys and alewives became synonymous with Lake Michigan and either would make a great mascot. Like the Jesuits they were non-native to Wisconsin but arrived by water from the Atlantic. Both came to dominate their new home in ways both unexpected and terrifying.
glow, you stand in well with Marquette's power elite. Could you possibly advance these thoughts with Mike the next time you guys grab a combat beer together?
Wait a minute.... did you just call the Jesuits an invasive species?