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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: bamamarquettefan on December 05, 2015, 03:05:24 PM
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Moderators please delete the thread in which I said that i just didn't think we could throw a freshman point guard (Traci) out there as a starter against the batch of Big East point guards this season, and should take our chances with Duane Wilson as a scoring point guard.
Kudos to Brandx for calling me out on that and saying Duane Wilson just wasn't a point guard and it had to be Traci. Come to think of it, Brandx obviously had this figured out even before Wojo did. He will still have some freshman games against Dunn, Smith-Rivera, a much improved Whitehead and others perhaps - but Traci is THE MAN for the point. Wow!
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Moderators please delete the thread in which I said that i just didn't think we could throw a freshman point guard (Traci) out there as a starter against the batch of Big East point guards this season, and should take our chances with Duane Wilson as a scoring point guard.
Kudos to Brandx for calling me out on that and saying Duane Wilson just wasn't a point guard and it had to be Traci. Come to think of it, Brandx obviously had this figured out even before Wojo did. He will still have some freshman games against Dunn, Smith-Rivera, a much improved Whitehead and others perhaps - but Traci is THE MAN for the point. Wow!
What's with the humility? I find this very unbecoming of a heretofore respected Scooper. Let's see a little hubris, shall we?
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Kudos on owning up. Like you said you were not the only one. Wojo tried Wilson which didn't work then Cheatnam, who was a disaster. Traci is definitely the answer.
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Moderators please delete the thread in which I said that i just didn't think we could throw a freshman point guard (Traci) out there as a starter against the batch of Big East point guards this season, and should take our chances with Duane Wilson as a scoring point guard.
Kudos to Brandx for calling me out on that and saying Duane Wilson just wasn't a point guard and it had to be Traci. Come to think of it, Brandx obviously had this figured out even before Wojo did. He will still have some freshman games against Dunn, Smith-Rivera, a much improved Whitehead and others perhaps - but Traci is THE MAN for the point. Wow!
I hate being right all the time 8-)
Just a lucky guess. My post was more about that I didn't think Duane was a PG rather than an overwhelming belief in Traci, who has been much better than I thought he would be.
We'll have to wait and see if Traci is the guy against UW and in BE play, as I think we agree he will have some struggles. Long term, though, I think he is the guy this team was looking for.
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Not only is Traci playing better at the point then our other options but Haney's level of play has risen exponentially since he has moved mostly off the ball.
Win win.
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Traci is a stud. Been saying it since he committed.
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Incredible performance by Traci today.
Let's also remember even after today, he's at 38.1% eFG% for the season and has a turnover rate of 21%+.
7/22 for 31.8% 2FG shooting on the year.. after today's 3/3.
If you want to crown him,.......
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Traci is very good. But, CheTam is also very good.
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Carter has played well and hope it continues when competition gets better. Time will tell and I might be paying up on a bet in a month or two.
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Carter has played well and hope it continues when competition gets better. Time will tell and I might be paying up on a bet in a month or two.
I believe that tower912 was offering the Duane at point guard ahead of Traci bet as well. I wonder if anyone took him up on his offer.
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A friend of my dentist's uncle happened to run into Wojo the other day, and Wojo intimated that he's known all along the Traci would be a better option that Duana and Cheatham, but that he needed to challenge Traci by not giving him the starting role right away. Made him earn it.
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A friend of my dentist's uncle happened to run into Wojo the other day, and Wojo intimated that he's known all along the Traci would be a better option that Duana and Cheatham, but that he needed to challenge Traci by not giving him the starting role right away. Made him earn it.
I know that guy.
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He's really been the engine.
Thomas was on top of it within minutes of seeing him play!
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I believe that tower912 was offering the Duane at point guard ahead of Traci bet as well. I wonder if anyone took him up on his offer.
I don't recall betting anything recently. Traci has stepped up. Go back and read some of the posts reacting to the Iowa game. I was far from the most upset. Based on what I had seen through 3 games, I thought Duane was the answer. Traci stepped up. Couldn't be happier.
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I believe that tower912 was offering the Duane at point guard ahead of Traci bet as well. I wonder if anyone took him up on his offer.
Hah, glad I missed one and that Brandx didn't challenge me with a bet. I'd be out some money. Go Traci - and am confident Duane will find his stroke long-term off the ball - that shot has looked too soft and too nice (Gtown last year) for me to believe he won't at least be a very strong 2 - even when off the bench.
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What's with the humility? I find this very unbecoming of a heretofore respected Scooper. Let's see a little hubris, shall we?
Problem is I've been launching political attacks for more than two decades, and this year I shifted to running this www.takeback.org a non-profit where the lawyers always make sure I'm nice and non-partisan. Clearly it is feeding over into my MUScoop posts and ruining me as a worthy combatant! Ah, maybe that and thinking I was going to be able to trash talk about Auburn football this year - that didn't work out either.
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Incredible performance by Traci today.
Let's also remember even after today, he's at 38.1% eFG% for the season and has a turnover rate of 21%+.
7/22 for 31.8% 2FG shooting on the year.. after today's 3/3.
If you want to crown him,.......
Carter now with an eFG% of 37.0% and turnover rate of 26%+ this season. 8/27 2FG shooting for 29.6%. I don't mean this in the wrong way, but there is a ton of room for improvement.
Love some of what I see from him, but again... if you want to crown him....
Against the four tougher opponents (Becky, ASU, LSU, Iowa) he's got an ORtg 85, eFG% of 30.0%, assist rate drops to 25%, slightly LESS than his turnover rate against those teams.. 4.8 FC/40 as well.
Expect him to be inconsistent throughout the year... but, need him to pick it up against some of the good competition.
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I know that guy.
He married my cleaning lady's cousin's drinking buddy's sister
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Hmm...which side of the aisle was Brandx on in the Scoop-splitting Team Dawson vs Team Dwil debate?
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He has a long way to go to be crowned anything other than one of our PG's. I suspect we will see less and less of him as the competition gets better. This YEAR's team has a chance to cause some trouble in BE and putting the keys in his hand's at this point would not be right decision IMO.
I get people want to get excited about a player, especially a young one, and rally around him. This guy is rallying around HE and HC. Also, am 100% confident that I will feel same away about those two in three months as I do now. They are high level, impact freshman and only going to get better.
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Who knows what Carter would of done against UW, if he had not picked up two quick fouls? Freshmen are going to be inconsistent. A few games ago Haanif scored 24 points and could barely score the next game. I think Carter will continue to start at point and his minutes will be determined game by game based on whether he is having a good game or bad game.
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He has a long way to go to be crowned anything other than one of our PG's. I suspect we will see less and less of him as the competition gets better. This YEAR's team has a chance to cause some trouble in BE and putting the keys in his hand's at this point would not be right decision IMO.
I get people want to get excited about a player, especially a young one, and rally around him. This guy is rallying around HE and HC. Also, am 100% confident that I will feel same away about those two in three months as I do now. They are high level, impact freshman and only going to get better.
He's probably our best post entry passer which is very, very important with the makeup of this team. For that reason alone I don't see his minutes decreasing too much.
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He's probably our best post entry passer which is very, very important with the makeup of this team. For that reason alone I don't see his minutes decreasing too much.
Yup, bad start against UW, but if the fouls didn't bench him, I'm certain Wojo would have left him out there.
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bilsu
Comparing up and down performances of Carter and HC is a reach IMO. HC is a HIGH level freshman basketball player and Carter has a ways to go. I am NOT bashing Carter one bit, but do not agree with majority on here that believes he is the answer at PG.
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Carter has made progress and I believe he has earned the right to be the starter. He had a bad game on Saturday. The two early fouls ruined his flow and he never really got it going. Duane and Haanif did quality work in his absence. The question to be answered is how he will consistently do against quality conference opponents. Georgetown, Butler, Nova..... he will either step up or get lit up.
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We were able to survive against Wisconsin without a good game from Carter due to the nature of their defense. They play a very low pressure on ball defense, against which Duane and Haanif are able to play well. Carter is the only guy on the roster currently who can run the PG successfully against higher pressure defenses with quicker guards.
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BTW, Sandy Cohen has 2 more assists to Henry than Traci Carter does this season.
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The fouls were a problem for Trace but 4 TO's stink as well. Here's hoping it was just a bad day because I don't think anyone else is going to be a good PG anytime soon. So far, I'm willing to let one bad day go, and would like to see him progress with more experience.
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bilsu
Comparing up and down performances of Carter and HC is a reach IMO. HC is a HIGH level freshman basketball player and Carter has a ways to go. I am NOT bashing Carter one bit, but do not agree with majority on here that believes he is the answer at PG.
I disagree, Goose. But I also said in my earlier post "as I think we agree he will have some struggles."
Playing against an average UW team is a whole different ballgame than playing against cupcakes. Traci will be up and down this year, but I think there will be more "ups" as the year goes on.
Any half-decent high school PG can dump it into the big guys; It's a whole different challenge when playing a good defensive team in college. TC is never gonna be Tyler Ulis, but I think by next year he will be able to match up well with anyone in the BE.
Traci is the best we have at PG. Duane is a '2' guard and so is Haanif as we have seen since he moved there.
In exactly the same number of minutes, Traci has more rebounds, steals, and fewer turnovers than Haanif. And, Traci has twice as many assists.
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In exactly the same number of minutes, Traci has more rebounds, steals, and fewer turnovers than Haanif. And, Traci has twice as many assists.
Is it fair to mention their FT rates are similar and that Haanif's eFG% is an incredible 63.7% on 17.5% shots while Traci is at a brutally-low 37.0% on 14.1?
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Is it fair to mention their FT rates are similar and that Haanif's eFG% is an incredible 63.7% on 17.5% shots while Traci is at a brutally-low 37.0% on 14.1?
I have no doubt that HC is a better offensive player. I have already said a month ago that I believe he will lead MU in scoring by his junior year.
My remarks were strictly in the context of the PG position and whom I fell will be better there in the long run
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Any half-decent high school PG can dump it into the big guys; It's a whole different challenge when playing a good defensive team in college.
In exactly the same number of minutes, Traci has more rebounds, steals, and fewer turnovers than Haanif. And, Traci has twice as many assists.
I have no doubt that HC is a better offensive player. I have already said a month ago that I believe he will lead MU in scoring by his junior year.
My remarks were strictly in the context of the PG position and whom I fell will be better there in the long run
Gotcha. So the fact that Sandy has more assists to Henry than Traci means what, relative to your commentary?
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Gotcha. So the fact that Sandy has more assists to Henry than Traci means what, relative to your commentary?
That stat is so irrelevant. Yes, Sandy has 2 (really a miniscule amount) more assists then Traci on Hank baskets, but are the assists from Sandy when Hank is at the top of the free throw line, or on the wing? You have no idea the exact nature of those assists.
Furthermore, you are completely discounting assistst to another pretty darn good post player, and frankly, a player who really won't leave the post. You should be comparing their assist numbers to Luke instead of Henry because you know damn well that Fish is on the block when he's making those baskets.
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Gotcha. So the fact that Sandy has more assists to Henry than Traci means what, relative to your commentary?
You're looking for a fight. I'm just giving an opinion.
Find someone else.
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Incredible performance by Traci today.
Let's also remember even after today, he's at 38.1% eFG% for the season and has a turnover rate of 21%+.
7/22 for 31.8% 2FG shooting on the year.. after today's 3/3.
If you want to crown him,.......
........... flash back.
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Yup. The jury is still out.
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Last night: 6 minutes played, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, 0/2 FG
I might go:
Haany
Duane
Sandy
Henry
Luke
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Last night: 6 minutes played, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, 0/2 FG
I might go:
Haany
Duane
Sandy
Henry
Luke
Maybe even JJJ instead of Sandy, or at least last night. Sandy looked awful.
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Traci is our only player whose natural position is point guard. Unfortunately he's not ready - even though they're playing out of position, Duane and Hanif are better (but still sub par) options.
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Last night: 6 minutes played, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, 0/2 FG
I might go:
Haany
Duane
Sandy
Henry
Luke
That was the starting lineup in the 2nd half last night against SHU. Did not help.
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It seems there are very few true point guards in basketball anymore. One of the few pure examples is Monte Morris of Iowa State. He is what I think about with a point guard. Thinks pass first but will have big scoring games on occasion when he's hot. High shooting and passing efficiency.
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Traci is our only player whose natural position is point guard. Unfortunately he's not ready - even though they're playing out of position, Duane and Hanif are better (but still sub par) options.
Depends on the game. If a team pressures the ball a lot in the backcourt or frontcourt I want Carter play 20+ minutes. If they are a sit back and play defense type team I am okay with Carter getting less minutes. Nova, for instance, will eat Cheatham and Wilson alive if they split the point for 40 minutes.
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Traci will not get those kind of minutes until such time as he can learn to stay out of foul trouble. It's easy to say the early fouls vs. Wiscy messed him up, but his BE debut was a debacle that included a strip out in the open that was so easy the SHU guy could have taken his shorts. He's a frosh, I know, I know. I wonder what Wojo will do if TC doesn't pick it up - soon.
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http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2015/11/mu-faces-toughest-point-guard-gauntlet.html
Yeah, it just makes for a tough matchup regardless. When I wrote the piece on us facing the toughest PG gauntlet in the country, I really had not even thought through the fact that Seton Hall and a press like that would be even more of a problem.
It does look like we just need Duane to stay at the 2 and find his 3-point shot and just take our best shot at the two freshman growing up quickly at the point.