http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/blog/2015/10/marquettes-bill-scholl-on-football-renewing-uwm.html
Not a whole lot in here, but does talk about possibly renewing the series with UWM.
Only if its the buy game it deserves to be.
Why UWM...why? Does Nothing for MU.
Agreed. Nice little streak,we have with them.
Better than our semi-annual series with Grambling. No need to be too cheap to play them, or too afraid that the world will end if we actually lose.
The behavior of Haidet and Pearl was ridiculous. We have no reason to play those guys ever again.
This isn't about fear of losing to them. It is about their absolute irrelevance to the Marquette athletic paradigm.
Quote from: chapman on October 16, 2015, 11:49:24 PM
Better than our semi-annual series with Grambling. No need to be too cheap to play them, or too afraid that the world will end if we actually lose.
It's not better if they cost MU more money.
Quote from: PTM on October 17, 2015, 07:36:44 AM
It's not better if they cost MU more money.
I believe that Chapman was talking about better in terms of competitiveness (and therefore fan viewability) and RPI.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 16, 2015, 06:25:02 PM
Why UWM...why? Does Nothing for MU.
Still far better than all those sub-300 RPI schools. Ugh.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 16, 2015, 06:25:02 PM
Why UWM...why? Does Nothing for MU.
Better matchup than several of the non conference jokers we are playing.
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 17, 2015, 09:54:53 AM
Still far better than all those sub-300 RPI schools. Ugh.
But that's not what the tradeofff is, thus the problem.
UWM isn't taking the place of a 300 RPI school. Because they will deman at least one game in return out of 5 or whatever. Thus, apples to oranges.
Plus, it just doesn't do anything for MU. It's fantasy land. Zero upside.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2015, 11:08:11 AM
But that's not what the tradeofff is, thus the problem.
UWM isn't taking the place of a 300 RPI school. Because they will deman at least one game in return out of 5 or whatever. Thus, apples to oranges.
Plus, it just doesn't do anything for MU. It's fantasy land. Zero upside.
+1. Yup.
If UWM wants the same going rate as every other buy team, drive their asses to H-D Arena for their yearly taint smacking, and not ask for anything in return, then it's a great idea.
Anything outside of that is not good for MU.
Quote from: PTM on October 17, 2015, 11:40:15 AM
+1. Yup.
If UWM wants the same going rate as every other buy team, drive their asses to H-D Arena for their yearly taint smacking, and not ask for anything in return, then it's a great idea.
Anything outside of that is not good for MU.
Which we know they will not do. Thus, this idea that it "is better than a 300 RPI dog" is a false argument because they aren't taking the place of a 300 RPI dog. In that year we have to play an away game, it causes other scheduling issues.
No thanks.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2015, 11:08:11 AM
UWM isn't taking the place of a 300 RPI school. Because they will deman at least one game in return out of 5 or whatever.
Forgive me for saying but who the f#ck is UWM to demand anything of Marquette?
Ignore them.
Quote from: keefe on October 17, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
Forgive me for saying but who the f#ck is UWM to demand anything of Marquette?
Ignore them.
Amen
I would be more in favor of playing 3-for-1 with Bradley or SIUE, because at least then Marquette is doing a favor for an alum.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2015, 11:08:11 AM
But that's not what the tradeofff is, thus the problem.
UWM isn't taking the place of a 300 RPI school. Because they will deman at least one game in return out of 5 or whatever. Thus, apples to oranges.
Plus, it just doesn't do anything for MU. It's fantasy land. Zero upside.
That doesn't sound too bad, IMO. I mean, one game out of five MU has to travel across the street? Would that not boost MU RPI, i.e., RPI calculates it as a road game despite being 500 feet away from the Bradley Center?
As I see it, I would much rather have option 1 over option 2
Option 1: UWM at BMO four games, MU at US Cellular one game
Option 2: Grambling/other air-filled cupcakes at BMO five games
I'd rather play ND!
Quote from: Eldon on October 17, 2015, 06:31:19 PM
That doesn't sound too bad, IMO. I mean, one game out of five MU has to travel across the street? Would that not boost MU RPI, i.e., RPI calculates it as a road game despite being 500 feet away from the Bradley Center?
As I see it, I would much rather have option 1 over option 2
Option 1: UWM at BMO four games, MU at US Cellular one game
Option 2: Grambling/other air-filled cupcakes at BMO five games
You are missing the greater point...$$$, etc. If you're going to play away games that are non-conference, they should be against higher quality teams.
There's a reason UCLA doesn't play "road" games at Loyola Marymount, Cal State Northridge, etc.
So on and so forth. It makes no sense.
I'd rather have Marquette play Grambling than UWM regardless of the RPI implications.
And never again at their place.
Quote from: keefe on October 17, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
Forgive me for saying but who the f#ck is UWM to demand anything of Marquette?
Ignore them.
I agree, as well as agree with Chico's point about lost $ for MU. I also concur with those who say if the "Dash" wants to play us so badly, do it as simply another Buy Game. To me, this is just another example of anti-MU media bias in Milwaukee.
1. the reporter went to UW-M
2. Look at his copy:"Although Marquette has dominated the basketball series with UW-M's men's team, local college basketball fans still wonder whether the two schools might meet again." Really? MU fans, alums and students don't care, or at minimum aren't calling for it. UWM doesn't have many fans as their attendance shows, and past games have proven no major incremental increases in attendance.
3. Look at the UW-M AD comment: "A game between Milwaukee and Marquette
would energize our alumni, students and fans as well as be great for the city by helping generate interest in college basketball early in the season," Braun said. It is all about trying to help UW-M with their puny 2 thousand/game attendance. I don't anticipate the city of Milwaukee getting too excited about the matchup.
MU's AD handled this well.
Quote from: CoachRaymondsClass on October 17, 2015, 09:22:55 PM
I agree, as well as agree with Chico's point about lost $ for MU. I also concur with those who say if the "Dash" wants to play us so badly, do it as simply another Buy Game. To me, this is just another example of anti-MU media bias in Milwaukee.
1. the reporter went to UW-M
2. Look at his copy:"Although Marquette has dominated the basketball series with UW-M's men's team, local college basketball fans still wonder whether the two schools might meet again." Really? MU fans, alums and students don't care, or at minimum aren't calling for it. UWM doesn't have many fans as their attendance shows, and past games have proven no major incremental increases in attendance.
3. Look at the UW-M AD comment: "A game between Milwaukee and Marquette would energize our alumni, students and fans as well as be great for the city by helping generate interest in college basketball early in the season," Braun said. It is all about trying to help UW-M with their puny 2 thousand/game attendance. I don't anticipate the city of Milwaukee getting too excited about the matchup.
MU's AD handled this well.
Yup, go back in history on this board, or the other board, or simply the papers. Wash, rinse, repeat. The same arguments have been made for 20+ years. How great it will be for the city, how it will reinvigorate.....doesn't happen.
Quote from: keefe on October 17, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
Forgive me for saying but who the f#ck is UWM to demand anything of Marquette?
Ignore them.
I have said this many times. Big Schools play Big Schools.
Little Schools Play Little Schools.
We've upgraded our program and are now again a BIG SCHOOL. UWM is an also ran in their conference, which makes them a little school.
Any questions?
What is the definition of a "buy game"?
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 18, 2015, 09:28:17 AM
What is the definition of a "buy game"?
A game that you pay another school to play on your home court with no future expectations for a return visit.
Say what you will about Crean, but keeping on the starters twice to drop a hundo on UWM was awesome.
As Keefe said, Haidet and Pearl deserved every last point after how they acted.
If we continue not to play UWM, does their basketball program even exist?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on October 18, 2015, 10:08:43 PM
If we continue not to play UWM, does their basketball program even exist?
Is the Pope Polish?
Talked to someone at Under Armor, said MU is unhappy with the service with Nike and looking to switch in 2? years when the contract is up.
Thanks Sultan. What's the average cost of a game?
My only question is: "With this be good for basketball in the state of Wisconsin"?
Oh, and when the series is renewed how expensive will the scalped seats in section 431 go for? Will I have any chance to at least get SRO seats for the game?
Seriously though if the two schools can agree I have no problem with the series. As some have stated this should be better than the Grambling RPI killers of the world.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 18, 2015, 11:20:03 PM
Thanks Sultan. What's the average cost of a game?
I actually don't know this. It has been speculated here before, but I think it might be something like $100,000? I maybe completely off on this.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 19, 2015, 07:28:35 AM
I actually don't know this. It has been speculated here before, but I think it might be something like $100,000? I maybe completely off on this.
Probably variable based on how far the team in question has to travel.
Quote from: MUDPT on October 18, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
Talked to someone at Under Armor, said MU is unhappy with the service with Nike and looking to switch in 2? years when the contract is up.
This is interesting. I'll admit, I'm a little skeptical that the basketball team would leave their Jordan Brand deal behind.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
Yup, go back in history on this board, or the other board, or simply the papers. Wash, rinse, repeat. The same arguments have been made for 20+ years. How great it will be for the city, how it will reinvigorate.....doesn't happen.
The attendance for the last run of games against UWM:
07-08 - 18,283. Marquette won, 100-65.
08-09 - 15,168. Marquette won, 100-80. (apparently interest fell off since the year before. Wonder why.)
09-10 - 14,244. Marquette won, 71-51. (huh, interest fell off again.)
10-11 - 7,120 at the Cell. Marquette won, 75-72.
11-12 - 14,917. Marquette won, 64-50. UWM losing by 3 in a game where I never felt that they were really threatening MU caused a jump in attendance of a whole 673 people from the last time the game was played in the BC.
For comparison purposes, in 11-12, Marquette drew crowds of 13,834, 12,765, 12,848, 14,208, and 13,593 for their other buy game opponents.
The 14K game was against Green Bay.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 19, 2015, 09:22:15 AM
This is interesting. I'll admit, I'm a little skeptical that the basketball team would leave their Jordan Brand deal behind.
Exactly. Being an UA school is great and has a lot of buzz these days and would make sense for a typical Nike school, but being Jordan Brand is really special IMHO, and as long as the list of Jordan Brand schools remains small, which I think it will, I don't see them leaving.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 19, 2015, 09:41:07 AM
Exactly. Being an UA school is great and has a lot of buzz these days and would make sense for a typical Nike school, but being Jordan Brand is really special IMHO, and as long as the list of Jordan Brand schools remains small, which I think it will, I don't see them leaving.
I wouldn't be surprised if Marquette flirts with UA a little bit in an attempt to incent Nike to give them a sweeter deal. And of course, anyone involved in UA marketing is going to say that Marquette is interested, no matter the true amount of interest. Sales guy talk.
However, IMO Nike would still have the upper hand due tothe prestige factor. There are plenty of schools that would kill to have a deal with the Jordan Brand.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 19, 2015, 09:41:07 AM
Exactly. Being an UA school is great and has a lot of buzz these days and would make sense for a typical Nike school, but being Jordan Brand is really special IMHO, and as long as the list of Jordan Brand schools remains small, which I think it will, I don't see them leaving.
Michigan is going to be, I believe, only the fifth "Jumpman" school.
That being said, the best thing this contract can give Marquette is money. I don't know what is so special about it that would give Marquette a reason to take a less lucrative contract.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 19, 2015, 12:10:27 PM
Michigan is going to be, I believe, only the fifth "Jumpman" school.
That being said, the best thing this contract can give Marquette is money. I don't know what is so special about it that would give Marquette a reason to take a less lucrative contract.
If you listen to some of the folks on this board, our licensing deal affects recruiting.
I don't believe that, but if the offers are in the same ballpark, I do think the prestige of the brand has some value to MU, as opposed to a relative upstart like UA. Anyone else remember when Shaq signed with Reebok, which at the time was mainly known as a company that made shoes that women wore to their aerobics classes? I think he still catches crap about that.
Jordan is still considered the premiere shoe brand for bball players. I don't know how much exactly that helps with recruiting, but it helps at least some, and also helps get kids attention and differentiate us from other schools. I'm sure there's a price to that though, and if UA would double our current offer from Jordan/Nike we'd probably switch.
Here's the list of Jumpman sponsored college basketball teams. Not quite as elite as I thought, but I don't think you walk away from this to go to UA unless there is a considerable difference in revenue.
California Golden Bears
Georgetown Hoyas
Marquette Golden Eagles
North Carolina Tar Heels
Oakland Golden Grizzlies
Fresno State Bulldogs
Wright State Raiders
Michigan Wolverines
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 18, 2015, 11:20:03 PM
Thanks Sultan. What's the average cost of a game?
The amount of a buy game depends on a number of factors, including day/date, proximity, how desperate the host is to schedule a game, the quality of the visitor, the location (e.g. Nova who has two "home" courts), and TV rights (low-major schools may take less for the opportunity to be on a cable network, while mid-majors, who provide a more competitive match-up and/or better ratings draw, may want more).
I've heard of buy games being as low as $60,000 and as much as $200,000, but generally, Sultan is probably pretty much nuts-on with the median being right around $100,000. I am speculating, but I would think there's probably also a pretty decent correlation between a school's rolling-average RPI and the cost of their buy game.
All of that said... the UWM series is "meh" IMO. For the same reason UK overloads on neutral-site games early in the year, one of the main benefits of away games in non-conference play is acclimating your team to playing on the road (and, perhaps, in a hostile environment) before the conference season starts. UWM
doesn't provide that benefit. While I'm not opposed to a 4-for-1, or even a 3-for-1, with a mid-major opponent, I would rather it be with UWGB that at least provides something of a road game "feel" to it.
Quote from: mu03eng on October 19, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Here's the list of Jumpman sponsored college basketball teams. Not quite as elite as I thought, but I don't think you walk away from this to go to UA unless there is a considerable difference in revenue.
California Golden Bears
Georgetown Hoyas
Marquette Golden Eagles
North Carolina Tar Heels
Oakland Golden Grizzlies
Fresno State Bulldogs
Wright State Raiders
Michigan Wolverines
While Oakland, Fresno and Wright State wear Jordan uniforms, they are not sponsored by Jordan. Only UNC, Cal, Georgetown, MU (and now Michigan) are Jumpman schools. http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/07/michigans_move_to_nike_include.html (http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2015/07/michigans_move_to_nike_include.html)
Quote from: mu03eng on October 19, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Here's the list of Jumpman sponsored college basketball teams. Not quite as elite as I thought, but I don't think you walk away from this to go to UA unless there is a considerable difference in revenue.
California Golden Bears
Georgetown Hoyas
Marquette Golden Eagles
North Carolina Tar Heels
Oakland Golden Grizzlies
Fresno State Bulldogs
Wright State Raiders
Michigan Wolverines
Define "considerable." 10% increase? 25%?
My favorite CS post .. December 2007. What was the score? 100-65 or something?
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2007/12/marquette-broke-contract-wuwm-21.html
Quote from: JWags85 on October 19, 2015, 09:41:07 AM
Exactly. Being an UA school is great and has a lot of buzz these days and would make sense for a typical Nike school, but being Jordan Brand is really special IMHO, and as long as the list of Jordan Brand schools remains small, which I think it will, I don't see them leaving.
Not picking on this poster because I don't think he was the one with lack of focus and went completely tangental off-topic, but how did MU/Jordan Jump Man discussion get into a good thread about "Bill Scholl interview in Milwaukee Business Journal" and subset part about MU
playing U of WI-Milwaukee???
Some here may find this cutely Scoop wacky, but I see it as Scoop's Attention Deficit Disorder which detracts from the discussion. Changing uniform supplier is a worthy subject so start a thread. OK- attack - and why not throw some Chuck Norris jokes in too.
Quote from: CoachRaymondsClass on October 19, 2015, 05:49:17 PM
Not picking on this poster because I don't think he was the one with lack of focus and went completely tangental off-topic, but how did MU/Jordan Jump Man discussion get into a good thread about "Bill Scholl interview in Milwaukee Business Journal" and subset part about MU
playing U of WI-Milwaukee???
Some here may find this cutely Scoop wacky, but I see it as Scoop's Attention Deficit Disorder which detracts from the discussion. Changing uniform supplier is a worthy subject so start a thread. OK- attack - and why not throw some Chuck Norris jokes in too.
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Do you prefer minnows or crawlers for early season walleyes? Spinners or jigs?
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 18, 2015, 12:53:32 PM
Say what you will about Crean, but keeping on the starters twice to drop a hundo on UWM was awesome.
As Keefe said, Haidet and Pearl deserved every last point after how they acted.
What did Haidet and Pearl do to MU? I haven't heard about this.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 19, 2015, 07:23:23 PM
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Do you prefer minnows or crawlers for early season walleyes? Spinners or jigs?
Depends on what kind of minnows and what is native to the lake.
Which, by the way, native to Scoop is all things doom and gloom, which apparently, includes a potential rekindling of the UWM series according to those chumming around here.
Quote from: swoopem on October 19, 2015, 08:30:40 PM
What did Haidet and Pearl do to MU? I haven't heard about this.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/29213629.html
UWM approached the whole thing stupidly. On the one hand they wanted to be treated more like equals, but on the other hand they wanted more money. UWM didn't really understand that a Sweet 16 didn't alter the pecking order of Milwaukee college basketball. In retrospect, these negotiations seem especially foolish. Marquette won all five games, won the BE, got to an E8 and two additional S16s, while UWM is on academic probation and can't figure out where to play its games. And is an athletic department in complete disarray. (I know people there..."it is a f**king mess" is what I have been told.)
Quote from: swoopem on October 19, 2015, 08:30:40 PM
What did Haidet and Pearl do to MU? I haven't heard about this.
Pearl cheated his ass off
Haidet was a baffoon steered by people like Fran and others who thought they should go poking the big boy bear. Well, they poked it and they got served.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 20, 2015, 11:45:20 PM
Pearl cheated his ass off
Haidet was a baffoon steered by people like Fran and others who thought they should go poking the big boy bear. Well, they poked it and they got served.
I recall some of your epic battles with BB Fran on the Badger board.
Who is Fran that he can help steer UWM Athletic Department policy?
What I always found interesting is how a guy like Fran, a UWM alum, can be so passionate about a rival school's program that he actually set up a fan board. Some Scoopers are not alums but are fans of MU and that is a great thing. But setting up a board for another school and then going out of your way to assume some form of intellectual and social superiority conveyed by the school you never attended, as Fran does, is just odd.
I always thought it ironic that Fran uses a photo of TR as his avatar and yet, in direct contrast to TR's advice, chooses to live his life by howling loudly while obviously carrying a very small stick...
Quote from: keefe on October 21, 2015, 09:06:44 AM
I always thought it ironic that Fran uses a photo of TR as his avatar and yet, in direct contrast to TR's advice, chooses to live his life by howling loudly while obviously carrying a very small stick...
I chuckled
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 18, 2015, 12:53:32 PM
Say what you will about Crean, but keeping on the starters twice to drop a hundo on UWM was awesome.
As Keefe said, Haidet and Pearl deserved every last point after how they acted.
When the nicest thing you can say about TC is that he ran up the score against a hapless opponent....